Prominence
Has anyone heard anything as far as pricing\release info for this neighborhood located next to Watersound?
Thx.
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SoWal Expert
Re: Prominence
I can't believe the developer performed any market research before selecting that name. Any 3 people at a cocktail party could have advised against that name. I thought I was the only one who hated "Prominence" until I read this strand. Probably the cheesiest name I've heard, and I live in Atlanta where cheesy subdivision names are the norm.It is not the name which I dislike. ;-)
On the flip side, I think JOE does a good job of name selection... WaterColor, WaterSound, Windmark, SummerCamp, RiverCamp ... none of those is offensive to my ear. I think Rummell calls it "place making".
picky
Re: Prominence
I agree. In my mind, "prominent" (close enough!) is always linked with "chin" or even worse, "nose." Plus I don't care for the way they've clear cut that land, another no-no in my book. Lazy lazy lazy way of developing a property.
I can't believe the developer performed any market research before selecting that name. Any 3 people at a cocktail party could have advised against that name. I thought I was the only one who hated "Prominence" until I read this strand. Probably the cheesiest name I've heard, and I live in Atlanta where cheesy subdivision names are the norm.
On the flip side, I think JOE does a good job of name selection... WaterColor, WaterSound, Windmark, SummerCamp, RiverCamp ... none of those is offensive to my ear. I think Rummell calls it "place making".
I agree. In my mind, "prominent" (close enough!) is always linked with "chin" or even worse, "nose." Plus I don't care for the way they've clear cut that land, another no-no in my book. Lazy lazy lazy way of developing a property.
Admin
Re: Prominence
I think "Chateau De Paris" is an appropriate name for a SoWal subdivision. :lol:
I think "Chateau De Paris" is an appropriate name for a SoWal subdivision. :lol:
Beach Fanatic
Re: Prominence
There is a 'Chateau de Pres de la Mer' subdivision over towards Navarre.
There is a 'Chateau de Pres de la Mer' subdivision over towards Navarre.
Beach Fanatic
Re: Prominence
Didn't you guys hear? Developers don't invest money unless they are sure they will make money. :floor: Just ask. And the bank will just pull out midstream regardless of any commitments they may have made. :roll:
Didn't you guys hear? Developers don't invest money unless they are sure they will make money. :floor: Just ask. And the bank will just pull out midstream regardless of any commitments they may have made. :roll:
Meow
Re: Prominence
Ah...gay Paree in SoWal! This is one of my favorites as well. So beachy! 😀
I think "Chateau De Paris" is an appropriate name for a SoWal subdivision. :lol:
Ah...gay Paree in SoWal! This is one of my favorites as well. So beachy! 😀
SoWal Insider
Re: Prominence
Yes, I saw this on the East end of 30-A, what is up with that???-w
Yes, I saw this on the East end of 30-A, what is up with that???-w
I think "Chateau De Paris" is an appropriate name for a SoWal subdivision. :lol:
Beach Lover
Re: Prominence
Here's a recent article about Prominence that was in the Pamama City News Herard. The County says half of the 60 acres of sand pine scrub habitat on the property must be protected. Per the article, the project is only 79.2 acres. The developer says if they have to preserve the habitat it would be "impossible to do the development as proposed".
Panama City News Herald
TITLE:Walton developer?s Prominence still in doubt
PUBDATE:August 28, 2006
Work on the first phase of Prominence, a mixed-use development on 79.2 acres off County 30A, is in full swing.
But whether work on the project?s next phases will move forward remains to be seen, as the developer hashes out details with Walton County?s planning staff.
Prominence is located on property along County 30A near Watersound Beach. The phase under construction south of County 30A will include 25 homes, 23 row houses and a harbor.
The developer, Destin-based Deer Lake Development, wants the county to approve an application for a Development of Regional Impact for the remaining phases of the project. All large-scale developments such as Prominence must have DRI approval from the county before substantial construction can take place.
But Deer Lake Development is at odds with the county over whether sand pine scrub habitat on the property must be protected, said Brian Martinez, the county planner assigned to the Prominence DRI. The developer also is challenging the county?s assertion that the project must have a 20-foot vegetative buffer along County 30A, Martinez said.
The county says that an estimated 60 acres of the Prominence property is sand pine scrub habitat and at least half of those 60 acres must be preserved, Martinez said. ?We identify the site as sand pine scrub,? he said.
The developer disagrees, in part because it claims that the habitat is former timberland and therefore not a natural habitat in need of preservation, Martinez said.
The county approved an environmental management plan for the first phase of Prominence. The developer also contends that the approval exempts the project from the preservation requirements for the rest of the property, Martinez said.
If Deer Lake Development ends up having to preserve the habitat, it would be ?impossible to do the development as proposed,? Martinez said.
Prominence is slated to go to the county Planning Commission on Sept. 14. The commission already has delayed the issue twice because of issues with the DRI application.
After the Planning Commission hears the project, it will go to the County Commission for consideration.
Craig Thurmond, town planner on the project, is designing Prominence to be reminiscent of a small New England town. Plans for the project call for 650 residences, 12 bed-and-breakfast units, 120 hotel rooms, 200,000 square feet of office and commercial space, and a 13,000-square-foot civic building.
Here's a recent article about Prominence that was in the Pamama City News Herard. The County says half of the 60 acres of sand pine scrub habitat on the property must be protected. Per the article, the project is only 79.2 acres. The developer says if they have to preserve the habitat it would be "impossible to do the development as proposed".
Panama City News Herald
TITLE:Walton developer?s Prominence still in doubt
PUBDATE:August 28, 2006
Work on the first phase of Prominence, a mixed-use development on 79.2 acres off County 30A, is in full swing.
But whether work on the project?s next phases will move forward remains to be seen, as the developer hashes out details with Walton County?s planning staff.
Prominence is located on property along County 30A near Watersound Beach. The phase under construction south of County 30A will include 25 homes, 23 row houses and a harbor.
The developer, Destin-based Deer Lake Development, wants the county to approve an application for a Development of Regional Impact for the remaining phases of the project. All large-scale developments such as Prominence must have DRI approval from the county before substantial construction can take place.
But Deer Lake Development is at odds with the county over whether sand pine scrub habitat on the property must be protected, said Brian Martinez, the county planner assigned to the Prominence DRI. The developer also is challenging the county?s assertion that the project must have a 20-foot vegetative buffer along County 30A, Martinez said.
The county says that an estimated 60 acres of the Prominence property is sand pine scrub habitat and at least half of those 60 acres must be preserved, Martinez said. ?We identify the site as sand pine scrub,? he said.
The developer disagrees, in part because it claims that the habitat is former timberland and therefore not a natural habitat in need of preservation, Martinez said.
The county approved an environmental management plan for the first phase of Prominence. The developer also contends that the approval exempts the project from the preservation requirements for the rest of the property, Martinez said.
If Deer Lake Development ends up having to preserve the habitat, it would be ?impossible to do the development as proposed,? Martinez said.
Prominence is slated to go to the county Planning Commission on Sept. 14. The commission already has delayed the issue twice because of issues with the DRI application.
After the Planning Commission hears the project, it will go to the County Commission for consideration.
Craig Thurmond, town planner on the project, is designing Prominence to be reminiscent of a small New England town. Plans for the project call for 650 residences, 12 bed-and-breakfast units, 120 hotel rooms, 200,000 square feet of office and commercial space, and a 13,000-square-foot civic building.
SoWal Insider
Re: Prominence
"Craig Thurmond, town planner on the project, is designing Prominence to be reminiscent of a small New England town. Plans for the project call for 650 residences, 12 bed-and-breakfast units, 120 hotel rooms, 200,000 square feet of office and commercial space, and a 13,000-square-foot civic building....and the world's largest Whammo Slip n' Slide."
"Craig Thurmond, town planner on the project, is designing Prominence to be reminiscent of a small New England town. Plans for the project call for 650 residences, 12 bed-and-breakfast units, 120 hotel rooms, 200,000 square feet of office and commercial space, and a 13,000-square-foot civic building....and the world's largest Whammo Slip n' Slide."
Meow
Re: Prominence
Thanks for the update, josebby. Preservation in Prominence is an oxymoron. What is left to salvage?
Thanks for the update, josebby. Preservation in Prominence is an oxymoron. What is left to salvage?
Beach Fanatic
Re: Prominence
Walton developer?s Prominence still in doubt
By Heather Civil Florida Freedom Newspapers
Work on the first phase of Prominence, a mixeduse development on 79.2 acres off County 30A, is in full swing.
But whether work on the project?s next phases will move forward remains to be seen, as the developer hashes out details with Walton County?s planning staff.
Prominence is located on property along County 30A near WaterSound Beach. The phase under construction south of County 30A will include 25 homes, 23 row houses and a harbor.
The developer, Destinbased Deer Lake Development, wants the county to approve an application for a Development of Regional Impact for the remaining phases of the project. All large-scale developments such as Prominence must have DRI approval from the county before substantial construction can take place.
But Deer Lake Development is at odds with the county over whether sand pine scrub habitat on the property must be protected, said Brian Martinez, the county planner assigned to the Prominence DRI. The developer also is challenging the county?s assertion that the project must have a 20-foot vegetative buffer along County 30A, Martinez said.
The county said that an estimated 60 acres of the Prominence property is sand pine scrub habitat and at least half of those 60 acres must be preserved, Martinez said. ?We identify the site as sand pine scrub,? he said.
The developer disagreed, in part because it claims that the habitat is former timberland and therefore not a natural habitat in need of preservation, Martinez said.
The county approved an environmental management plan for the first phase of Prominence. The developer also contended that the approval exempts the project from the preservation requirements for the rest of the property, Martinez said.
If Deer Lake Development ends up having to preserve the habitat, it would be ?impossible to do the development as proposed,? Martinez said.
Prominence is slated to go to the county Planning Commission on Sept. 14. The commission already has delayed the issue twice because of issues with the DRI application.
After the Planning Commission hears the project, it will go to the County Commission for consideration.
Craig Thurmond, town planner on the project, is designing Prominence to be reminiscent of a small New England town. Plans for the project call for 650 residences, 12 bed-andbreakfast units, 120 hotel rooms, 200,000 square feet of office and commercial space, and a 13,000-squarefoot civic building.
Walton developer?s Prominence still in doubt
By Heather Civil Florida Freedom Newspapers
Work on the first phase of Prominence, a mixeduse development on 79.2 acres off County 30A, is in full swing.
But whether work on the project?s next phases will move forward remains to be seen, as the developer hashes out details with Walton County?s planning staff.
Prominence is located on property along County 30A near WaterSound Beach. The phase under construction south of County 30A will include 25 homes, 23 row houses and a harbor.
The developer, Destinbased Deer Lake Development, wants the county to approve an application for a Development of Regional Impact for the remaining phases of the project. All large-scale developments such as Prominence must have DRI approval from the county before substantial construction can take place.
But Deer Lake Development is at odds with the county over whether sand pine scrub habitat on the property must be protected, said Brian Martinez, the county planner assigned to the Prominence DRI. The developer also is challenging the county?s assertion that the project must have a 20-foot vegetative buffer along County 30A, Martinez said.
The county said that an estimated 60 acres of the Prominence property is sand pine scrub habitat and at least half of those 60 acres must be preserved, Martinez said. ?We identify the site as sand pine scrub,? he said.
The developer disagreed, in part because it claims that the habitat is former timberland and therefore not a natural habitat in need of preservation, Martinez said.
The county approved an environmental management plan for the first phase of Prominence. The developer also contended that the approval exempts the project from the preservation requirements for the rest of the property, Martinez said.
If Deer Lake Development ends up having to preserve the habitat, it would be ?impossible to do the development as proposed,? Martinez said.
Prominence is slated to go to the county Planning Commission on Sept. 14. The commission already has delayed the issue twice because of issues with the DRI application.
After the Planning Commission hears the project, it will go to the County Commission for consideration.
Craig Thurmond, town planner on the project, is designing Prominence to be reminiscent of a small New England town. Plans for the project call for 650 residences, 12 bed-andbreakfast units, 120 hotel rooms, 200,000 square feet of office and commercial space, and a 13,000-squarefoot civic building.
Beach Fanatic
Re: Prominence
I hope the movie theater is not a chain!!!!! :floor: :floor: :floor: :floor:
Actually, the movie theatre part will probably work fine as long as they show the Truman Show as their weekly movie. just kidding. Since I first heard the planners say that they wanted a movie theatre to be the anchor to the town, just like many small towns in the south used to have a Martin Theatre, I laughed because I have an idea of what the big movies cost to run them. However, if they show movies that are old and out on DVD's, they can probably pay show them for free as a form of babysitting. That would work. Don't hold your breath to see newly released movies at Prominence because the math just doesn't work.
A little more about my rant on Prominence over the last two days:
After further thought on my comments, I do want to say that I think the planners of Prominence did some good research to find things which make a town feel much like home. These things did include the "concept" of a variety of people from different socio-economic classes. They conveyed a vision of a real community filled with working class as well as the well to do. My real problem is that, while I agree with the things which they said made a real town, I knew then and know now, that it was impossible to pull off. Real estate prices were increasing at too high of a rate when Prominence was even in the conceptual phase a year and a half ago. I have stated before that I feel like SoWal is becoming much more monotone with every day that passes. I am referring to the people of SoWal? Living here, I do not encounter a wide mix of people, like when I first moved here only a short time ago. My frustration grows larger with the known problems of the future in SoWal, where we build more homes, without planning for the people who provide the services required in a resort community. If you think it is difficult to find a plumber today, wait 3 years down the road. I just hope SoWal does not go the way I see it where we have plenty of homes for the wealthy, but no services to keep them going.
In summary, my problem is not with Prominence. My problem is that the demand of property here has outpriced many cool artist-type and service oriented people from relocating here. Having been around so many average-income people in different towns, I have grown to miss their company and the diversity which they offer. I wish Prominence the best as they move forward.
I hope the movie theater is not a chain!!!!! :floor: :floor: :floor: :floor:
Beach Lover
Re: Prominence
Anybody have an update on what's going on with Prominence?
Anybody have an update on what's going on with Prominence?
Christini Zambini
Re: Prominence
They have a website at http://www.prominencefl.com
Anybody have an update on what's going on with Prominence?
They have a website at http://www.prominencefl.com
Admin
Re: Prominence
Things are moving forward there and the first building structure is complete.
Anybody have an update on what's going on with Prominence?
Things are moving forward there and the first building structure is complete.
needs to get out more
Re: Prominence
so their DRI got approved?
so their DRI got approved?
Beach Fanatic
Re: Prominence
120 hotel rooms!:shock: Scuze me is that a fake lake or fenced in fake harbor? With all the natural beauty surrounding it, just seems kind of sacrelige to build an artificial anything right in the middle of it and also right on the scenic corridor between the natural beauty of the coastal dune lakes.:idontno: How are vacation homeowners supposed to compete with Inns and Hotels springing up right next door? What is the limit to these high volume rental units in South Walton already? Not to mention the impact to the beaches. The homes do appear beautiful.
Is the name supposed to reflect the feeling of the community though? 😱 Kinda boastful, isn't it?
120 hotel rooms!:shock: Scuze me is that a fake lake or fenced in fake harbor? With all the natural beauty surrounding it, just seems kind of sacrelige to build an artificial anything right in the middle of it and also right on the scenic corridor between the natural beauty of the coastal dune lakes.:idontno: How are vacation homeowners supposed to compete with Inns and Hotels springing up right next door? What is the limit to these high volume rental units in South Walton already? Not to mention the impact to the beaches. The homes do appear beautiful.
Is the name supposed to reflect the feeling of the community though? 😱 Kinda boastful, isn't it?
SoWal Insider
Re: Prominence
See post #43 on this thread....it looks to be a VERY LONG black pool liner that is filled with water.
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120 hotel rooms!:shock: Scuze me is that a fake lake or fenced in fake harbor?
See post #43 on this thread....it looks to be a VERY LONG black pool liner that is filled with water.
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SoWal Expert
Re: Prominence
That dirty water pool is the run off water and is supposed to resemble being in New England on a harbour, even though it is close to 100F degrees here in the Summer. I guess they needed to be able to sell the homes at a higher price and thought that the water feature might help, and since the closest public beach access to Prominence is Deer Lake State Park, they might need some water. They should have made that a swimming pool. Now that would have been cool. Hello, we are not in New England. ;-)
That dirty water pool is the run off water and is supposed to resemble being in New England on a harbour, even though it is close to 100F degrees here in the Summer. I guess they needed to be able to sell the homes at a higher price and thought that the water feature might help, and since the closest public beach access to Prominence is Deer Lake State Park, they might need some water. They should have made that a swimming pool. Now that would have been cool. Hello, we are not in New England. ;-)
Banned
Re: Prominence
another example of developers not using the highly marketable local architecture and natural beauty to their advantage...
That dirty water pool is the run off water and is supposed to resemble being in New England on a harbour, even though it is close to 100F degrees here in the Summer. I guess they needed to be able to sell the homes at a higher price and thought that the water feature might help, and since the closest public beach access to Prominence is Deer Lake State Park, they might need some water. They should have made that a swimming pool. Now that would have been cool. Hello, we are not in New England. ;-)
another example of developers not using the highly marketable local architecture and natural beauty to their advantage...
Beach Lover
Re: Prominence
I walked over to Prominence today and had a long talk with Sherry Carter, the Broker there. She said several things that just don't make sense to me such as they will have 1,000 to 1,500 events there a year! That's 3 or more events every day!
She also told me that Prominence owns four of the Country Cottages, those cute A-frame homes just south of 30-A on Camp Creek, and also property across 30-A on the north side. She said they plan to build an "Amenities Center" there, complete with a water taxi, that will ship people down to the Gulf! 😱 When I told her that the lake is sometimes completely closed off from the Gulf and that currently the water is barely over my toes, she disagreed. I know it's true because we've walked the beach all week.
My questions to the wise ones on SoWal:
Are large motorized boats allowed on the small Coastal Dune Lakes? I know they are on Lake Powell, but I've never seen any on the little ones.
Since WaterSound Beach owns the property surrounding the Gulf side of Camp Creek Lake, how would they dock the boat? Wouldn't there have to be a waterway large enough to take the water taxi down to the high tide mark which starts the public right of way? How could they dock it?
Please tell me this just doesn't make any sense. :idontno:
I walked over to Prominence today and had a long talk with Sherry Carter, the Broker there. She said several things that just don't make sense to me such as they will have 1,000 to 1,500 events there a year! That's 3 or more events every day!
She also told me that Prominence owns four of the Country Cottages, those cute A-frame homes just south of 30-A on Camp Creek, and also property across 30-A on the north side. She said they plan to build an "Amenities Center" there, complete with a water taxi, that will ship people down to the Gulf! 😱 When I told her that the lake is sometimes completely closed off from the Gulf and that currently the water is barely over my toes, she disagreed. I know it's true because we've walked the beach all week.
My questions to the wise ones on SoWal:
Are large motorized boats allowed on the small Coastal Dune Lakes? I know they are on Lake Powell, but I've never seen any on the little ones.
Since WaterSound Beach owns the property surrounding the Gulf side of Camp Creek Lake, how would they dock the boat? Wouldn't there have to be a waterway large enough to take the water taxi down to the high tide mark which starts the public right of way? How could they dock it?
Please tell me this just doesn't make any sense. :idontno:
SoWal Expert
Re: Prominence
Josebby, the first word that came to my mind?
Yuck.
Josebby, the first word that came to my mind?
Yuck.
Meow
Re: Prominence
:welcome: back josebby!!! Wow, what a sales pitch. My first thought on the 1,000 to 1,500 events a year was the supposed theater that was being planned. Running a movie 24/7 ought to do it. 😀
:welcome: back josebby!!! Wow, what a sales pitch. My first thought on the 1,000 to 1,500 events a year was the supposed theater that was being planned. Running a movie 24/7 ought to do it. 😀
SoWal Expert
Re: Prominence
joseby, did you get all of that in writing? You know those reservation agreements probably note that buyers cannot rely solely upon the representations made by their agents. ;-)
30A does divide the property of Prominence. This is the first I've heard of Prominence owning those cabins and trying to use a water shuttle. The boat would not have to be large, and could be something as simple as the pontoon shuttle for the Sanctuary at Redfish, which has an electric trolling motor. I have seen bass-boats on Lake Powell, so I am unaware of the rule regulating them on that particular lake. Behind Publix, is a public park with a very nice boat launch. Maybe the rule is that no jet propelled boats or watercraft are allowed. I believe that is the only rule regarding boat restrictions for the coastal dune lakes in WalCo.
Even if they do have the boat shuttle, they would need a dock to dump people off at the beach, unless they were doing like the Sanctuary at Redfish, making beach goers, jump off into the shallow water as they went to the beach.
As for the high number of events, maybe for some people, going outside is an event, as is inserting their keys into the door lock.
joseby, did you get all of that in writing? You know those reservation agreements probably note that buyers cannot rely solely upon the representations made by their agents. ;-)
30A does divide the property of Prominence. This is the first I've heard of Prominence owning those cabins and trying to use a water shuttle. The boat would not have to be large, and could be something as simple as the pontoon shuttle for the Sanctuary at Redfish, which has an electric trolling motor. I have seen bass-boats on Lake Powell, so I am unaware of the rule regulating them on that particular lake. Behind Publix, is a public park with a very nice boat launch. Maybe the rule is that no jet propelled boats or watercraft are allowed. I believe that is the only rule regarding boat restrictions for the coastal dune lakes in WalCo.
Even if they do have the boat shuttle, they would need a dock to dump people off at the beach, unless they were doing like the Sanctuary at Redfish, making beach goers, jump off into the shallow water as they went to the beach.
As for the high number of events, maybe for some people, going outside is an event, as is inserting their keys into the door lock.
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Skunky
Re: Prominence
The fake harbor always reminded me of the Universal Studios Jaws thing in California. I for one hope they put in a big fake shark. Each mock attack counts as an event (that is fair).
The fake harbor always reminded me of the Universal Studios Jaws thing in California. I for one hope they put in a big fake shark. Each mock attack counts as an event (that is fair).
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