I know to many of you upon reading the phase "Panama City Beach" immediately think "eeeeewwww!" But try putting that aside for just a moment and read on.
I've come across an interesting article from Clearwater Beach (Florida)--that I'll link below. I found it interesting how the current situation at Clearwater mirrors PCB. Clearwater is mulling over the economic fallout its city may experience from the real estate boom over the next several years. Key among them is the razing of multiple "mom & pop" hotels and businesses to be replaced by "upscale" condos and shops--many of which have never come to fruition.
From its beginning, Clearwater, like PCB, was a beach vacation area for blue collar workers and their families--with all the "stigma" of such attached. Now both beach towns, in an effort to transform into "upscale" vacation locales, have wiped out reasonably-priced accommodations and attractions. Problem is, the condo boom has gone bust leaving Clearwater in limbo...it's no longer welcoming to the folks who made it a vibrant family tourist destination, and, because of it's "low-brow" stigma (that "eeeewwwwww" you're thinking) and many half-baked "upscale" projects, it will not attract the "well-heeled and wealthy" target audience it set out to attract when it originally put the plans on paper.
Will Clearwater and PCB end up in "tourist limbo?" What will the first summer after the boom (2007) hold in store economically for PCB?
Clearwater Beach Article
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Camp Creek KidChristini ZambiniSeacrest Beach1,277 postsJoined View profileMessageChristini Zambini
I know to many of you upon reading the phase "Panama City Beach" immediately think "eeeeewwww!" But try putting that aside for just a moment and read on.
I've come across an interesting article from Clearwater Beach (Florida)--that I'll link below. I found it interesting how the current situation at Clearwater mirrors PCB. Clearwater is mulling over the economic fallout its city may experience from the real estate boom over the next several years. Key among them is the razing of multiple "mom & pop" hotels and businesses to be replaced by "upscale" condos and shops--many of which have never come to fruition.
From its beginning, Clearwater, like PCB, was a beach vacation area for blue collar workers and their families--with all the "stigma" of such attached. Now both beach towns, in an effort to transform into "upscale" vacation locales, have wiped out reasonably-priced accommodations and attractions. Problem is, the condo boom has gone bust leaving Clearwater in limbo...it's no longer welcoming to the folks who made it a vibrant family tourist destination, and, because of it's "low-brow" stigma (that "eeeewwwwww" you're thinking) and many half-baked "upscale" projects, it will not attract the "well-heeled and wealthy" target audience it set out to attract when it originally put the plans on paper.
Will Clearwater and PCB end up in "tourist limbo?" What will the first summer after the boom (2007) hold in store economically for PCB?
Clearwater Beach Article
Shelly,
You're implying that working class people want to spend their vacation in a 1960's smelly hotel room and dine at the Waffle House. I think they'd rather spend their vacation money on decent accomodations. Much of gulf front Panama City Beach was blighted before the "upscale" projects came in. IMO rentals will still be affordable because of the competition to get renters. I live on the eastern end of 30-A and do most of my shopping in Panama City Beach, I think what they're doing is an improvement and if it drives away the out-of-control Spring Breakers, then good. And if the Rednecks can't afford to stay in PCB, they'll just have to day trip from south Alabama. π
I do miss the Miracle Strip Amusement Park, though. But I guess we can always spend our time at the Ripley's Believe It or Not Museum :bang:
30A Skunkape
30A SkunkapeSkunkyBackatown Seagrove10,329 postsJoined View profileMessageSkunky
Clearwater depends on foreigners, not rednecks. Panama City wants a nice new airport to bring in foreigners to augment the regulars. Just an observation.
sberry123sberry123Beach Comber39 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Comber
I know to many of you upon reading the phase "Panama City Beach" immediately think "eeeeewwww!" But try putting that aside for just a moment and read on.I think this is already happening on the Alabama side. Thousands of new upscale "granite counter tops," condos with not enough snow birds to fill the gap. Back in the early 2000's just about all units were booked with snow birds.
I've come across an interesting article from Clearwater Beach (Florida)--that I'll link below. I found it interesting how the current situation at Clearwater mirrors PCB. Clearwater is mulling over the economic fallout its city may experience from the real estate boom over the next several years. Key among them is the razing of multiple "mom & pop" hotels and businesses to be replaced by "upscale" condos and shops--many of which have never come to fruition.
From its beginning, Clearwater, like PCB, was a beach vacation area for blue collar workers and their families--with all the "stigma" of such attached. Now both beach towns, in an effort to transform into "upscale" vacation locales, have wiped out reasonably-priced accommodations and attractions. Problem is, the condo boom has gone bust leaving Clearwater in limbo...it's no longer welcoming to the folks who made it a vibrant family tourist destination, and, because of it's "low-brow" stigma (that "eeeewwwwww" you're thinking) and many half-baked "upscale" projects, it will not attract the "well-heeled and wealthy" target audience it set out to attract when it originally put the plans on paper.
Will Clearwater and PCB end up in "tourist limbo?" What will the first summer after the boom (2007) hold in store economically for PCB?
Clearwater Beach Article
seal
sealBeach Lover182 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Lover
Personally, I will take rednecks any day over yankees and foreigners. π
I like all people, but most Southerners will say "hi" and talk to you like you are old friends without even thinking about it.
It is one of the charming qualities about the Panhandle vs. more southern parts of Florida.
I like all people, but most Southerners will say "hi" and talk to you like you are old friends without even thinking about it.
It is one of the charming qualities about the Panhandle vs. more southern parts of Florida.
30A Skunkape
30A SkunkapeSkunkyBackatown Seagrove10,329 postsJoined View profileMessageSkunky
Personally, I will take rednecks any day over yankees and foreigners. π
I like all people, but most Southerners will say "hi" and talk to you like you are old friends without even thinking about it.
It is one of the charming qualities about the Panhandle vs. more southern parts of Florida.
Not to mention the weenie bikinis the euro guys seem to favor:lol:
Bob
BobSoWal InsiderO'Wal10,368 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal Insider
Personally, I will take rednecks any day over yankees and foreigners. πI thought Yankees were foreigners. What about Mormons?
I like all people, but most Southerners will say "hi" and talk to you like you are old friends without even thinking about it.
It is one of the charming qualities about the Panhandle vs. more southern parts of Florida.
joho
johoBeach Fanatic1,133 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
Not to mention the weenie bikinis the euro guys seem to favor:lol:
Hey Skunkape.............
What's wrong with a banana hammock or grape smuggler? :lol:
Capricious
CapriciousBeach Fanatic423 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
Shelly is "right on."
When my wife and I go to the coast, all we want is
a "base of operations:" i.e. a simple motel room. A
small "dorm-style" refrig. and a microwave would be
nice. We don't go to sit in someone's personal condo
looking at their personal belongings. Certainly don't
need (and don't want to pay for) 2 or 3 bathrooms
and way more square footage than is called for.
The goal is to spend as little time in the accomodations
(and as much time in the Gulf) as possible.
A condo can be a good deal for a family/group of
several people (especially if one would rather spend
one's time cooking meals than playing on the beach)
but it's a lousy deal for us.
Although with the glut
of small condos on the rental market, that situation
just might invert.
I don't have a problem with a well-maintained 1950's
motel any more than I have a problem with my well-maintained
1950's house.
I find the Waffle House menu to be somewhat poorly done
but have no problem with Waffle House itself. I see little
need to pay a premium in the pursuit of ostentation.
Personally, I see Waffle House as an "upscale" alternative
to McDonalds.
Capricious
When my wife and I go to the coast, all we want is
a "base of operations:" i.e. a simple motel room. A
small "dorm-style" refrig. and a microwave would be
nice. We don't go to sit in someone's personal condo
looking at their personal belongings. Certainly don't
need (and don't want to pay for) 2 or 3 bathrooms
and way more square footage than is called for.
The goal is to spend as little time in the accomodations
(and as much time in the Gulf) as possible.
A condo can be a good deal for a family/group of
several people (especially if one would rather spend
one's time cooking meals than playing on the beach)
but it's a lousy deal for us.
Although with the glut
of small condos on the rental market, that situation
just might invert.
I don't have a problem with a well-maintained 1950's
motel any more than I have a problem with my well-maintained
1950's house.
I find the Waffle House menu to be somewhat poorly done
but have no problem with Waffle House itself. I see little
need to pay a premium in the pursuit of ostentation.
Personally, I see Waffle House as an "upscale" alternative
to McDonalds.
Capricious
GoodWitch58GoodWitch58Beach Fanatic4,810 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
To Shelley's point, or the point of the article Shelley posted: It seems just one more example of developers and local government officials who have chosen to pay no attention to market research...or to do no market research...or not understand why market research is important to success of any business venture.
It is amazing to see what has happened....:idontno: :confused: :roll:
It is amazing to see what has happened....:idontno: :confused: :roll:
Babyblue
BabyblueBeach FanaticSeagrove Beach525 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
Tourism numbers for 05 are up over 04 for PCB. 06 is looking higher.
Babyblue
BabyblueBeach FanaticSeagrove Beach525 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
Shelly is "right on."
When my wife and I go to the coast, all we want is
a "base of operations:" i.e. a simple motel room. A
small "dorm-style" refrig. and a microwave would be
nice. We don't go to sit in someone's personal condo
looking at their personal belongings. Certainly don't
need (and don't want to pay for) 2 or 3 bathrooms
and way more square footage than is called for.
The goal is to spend as little time in the accomodations
(and as much time in the Gulf) as possible.
A condo can be a good deal for a family/group of
several people (especially if one would rather spend
one's time cooking meals than playing on the beach)
but it's a lousy deal for us.
Although with the glut
of small condos on the rental market, that situation
just might invert.
I don't have a problem with a well-maintained 1950's
motel any more than I have a problem with my well-maintained
1950's house.
I find the Waffle House menu to be somewhat poorly done
but have no problem with Waffle House itself. I see little
need to pay a premium in the pursuit of ostentation.
Personally, I see Waffle House as an "upscale" alternative
to McDonalds.
Capricious
I like Waffle house. But I also like the very best place to stay as well.
LeBoeuf
LeBoeufBeach LoverPrairieville, LA (in body); SoWal (in spirit)73 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Lover
I like Waffle house. But I also like the very best place to stay as well.
There's nothing like eatin' a little scattered, covered, chopped and topped with eggs over medium! Plus a little waffle to eat with my syrup! Umm..Umm..Good!
Capricious
CapriciousBeach Fanatic423 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
Ya know, I rarely eat at Waffle House around
here but then I rarely eat breakfast out while
at home.
But a trip to Florida is not really complete without
a stop or two @ "The House."
Just something "Florida" about it.
Wish I could buy stock in that company
Capricious
here but then I rarely eat breakfast out while
at home.
But a trip to Florida is not really complete without
a stop or two @ "The House."
Just something "Florida" about it.
Wish I could buy stock in that company
Capricious
seal
sealBeach Lover182 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Lover
One way to hold on to the old PCB would be to start wearing blue jean cutoffs...70's style.
That settles it. I am donating all of my board shorts and going cold turkey. All cutoffs from now on.
That settles it. I am donating all of my board shorts and going cold turkey. All cutoffs from now on.
Capricious
CapriciousBeach Fanatic423 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
One way to hold on to the old PCB would be to start wearing blue jean cutoffs...70's style.
What do you mean "start?"
I never stopped.
Capricious
aquaticbiology
aquaticbiologyfishlipsredneck heaven799 postsJoined View profileMessagefishlips
ok, back in the 80's, before we had the boat, we used to stay at the best western del coronado in pcb - the thing was built like a a brick #$@%-house with 2 foot thick, solid filled, hand stuccoed, mason-built cement block walls, italian terrazzo tile floors, and thick sandwich-metal doors that were totally soundproof even in the middle of spring break with every car stereo thumping - it directly jutted out onto the beach - your room door opened literally into the beach sand - and the building itself was about 20-30 (or maybe more) years old but it didn't show it as they kept it up very well, plus we could stay a whole week for what one night cost at 'somebody else's house' that wasn't even on the beach - every room had a microwave and a fridge and signed audobon palm studies - best memories of staying on land ever - now its gone (and they had a hell of a time trying to demolish it too - last time down you could see even from the ocean side that it had been gutted but had withstood the wrecking ball or whatever they were using) - and (to be) replaced by a million story concrete block covered in crap sculpted drivit with tiny rooms, oh sorry, condo's, where the synthetic granite countertops probably will reflect the same old pastel puke-yellow-orange and pastel green and pastel blue and pastel purple thats all the imagination of a penny loafer'd decorator - they can so totally have all of their fancy bs - i miss my old del
30A Skunkape
30A SkunkapeSkunkyBackatown Seagrove10,329 postsJoined View profileMessageSkunky
ok, back in the 80's, before we had the boat, we used to stay at the best western del coronado in pcb - the thing was built like a a brick #$@%-house with 2 foot thick, solid filled, hand stuccoed, mason-built cement block walls, italian terrazzo tile floors, and thick sandwich-metal doors that were totally soundproof even in the middle of spring break with every car stereo thumping - it directly jutted out onto the beach - your room door opened literally into the beach sand - and the building itself was about 20-30 (or maybe more) years old but it didn't show it as they kept it up very well, plus we could stay a whole week for what one night cost at 'somebody else's house' that wasn't even on the beach - every room had a microwave and a fridge and signed audobon palm studies - best memories of staying on land ever - now its gone (and they had a hell of a time trying to demolish it too - last time down you could see even from the ocean side that it had been gutted but had withstood the wrecking ball or whatever they were using) - and (to be) replaced by a million story concrete block covered in crap sculpted drivit with tiny rooms, oh sorry, condo's, where the synthetic granite countertops probably will reflect the same old pastel puke-yellow-orange and pastel green and pastel blue and pastel purple thats all the imagination of a penny loafer'd decorator - they can so totally have all of their fancy bs - i miss my old del
The good old days...:(
Liv'smom
Liv'smomBeach LoverInlet Beach245 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Lover
ok, back in the 80's, before we had the boat, we used to stay at the best western del coronado in pcb - the thing was built like a a brick #$@%-house with 2 foot thick, solid filled, hand stuccoed, mason-built cement block walls, italian terrazzo tile floors, and thick sandwich-metal doors that were totally soundproof even in the middle of spring break with every car stereo thumping - it directly jutted out onto the beach - your room door opened literally into the beach sand - and the building itself was about 20-30 (or maybe more) years old but it didn't show it as they kept it up very well, plus we could stay a whole week for what one night cost at 'somebody else's house' that wasn't even on the beach - every room had a microwave and a fridge and signed audobon palm studies - best memories of staying on land ever - now its gone (and they had a hell of a time trying to demolish it too - last time down you could see even from the ocean side that it had been gutted but had withstood the wrecking ball or whatever they were using) - and (to be) replaced by a million story concrete block covered in crap sculpted drivit with tiny rooms, oh sorry, condo's, where the synthetic granite countertops probably will reflect the same old pastel puke-yellow-orange and pastel green and pastel blue and pastel purple thats all the imagination of a penny loafer'd decorator - they can so totally have all of their fancy bs - i miss my old del
AB, funny you should mention all that about the Del Cornado. My dad used to manage it in the late 80's and early 90's and we sat out at least 2 cat. 2 hurricanes in that hotel. Ahhhh, memories.:wub:
Capricious
CapriciousBeach Fanatic423 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
back in the 80's, before we had the boat, we used to stay at the best western del coronado in pcb - the thing was built like a a brick #$@%-house with 2 foot thick, solid filled, hand stuccoed, mason-built cement block walls, italian terrazzo tile floors, and thick sandwich-metal doors that were totally soundproof even in the middle of spring break with every car stereo thumping - it directly jutted out onto the beach - your room door opened literally into the beach sand - and the building itself was about 20-30 (or maybe more) years old but it didn't show it as they kept it up very well, plus we could stay a whole week for what one night cost at 'somebody else's house' that wasn't even on the beach - every room had a microwave and a fridge and signed audobon palm studies -
The current Holiday Inn "Sun Spree" is built the same (hose-it-out after
the party) way, yet I think it to be rather nice.
Especially since there is a Waffle House DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET,
and the Holiday Inn has an underpass under the road so you won't end
up as road kill walking across to get some "kill". If the "House" is too
upscale, there is a Burger King a couple doors down. Montego Bay
in the little plaza across the street, but that plaza has really gone
"down-hill" over the last decade.
Still, you can go for days without having to drive anywhere
But the H.I. has upped their rates since there is so little competition
(motels) left.
My wife loves that Holiday Inn, and she absolutely refuses to sleep
aboard my little home-built cabin skiff.
Capricious
The current Holiday Inn "Sun Spree" is built the same (hose-it-out after
the party) way, yet I think it to be rather nice.
Especially since there is a Waffle House DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET,
and the Holiday Inn has an underpass under the road so you won't end
up as road kill walking across to get some "kill". If the "House" is too
upscale, there is a Burger King a couple doors down. Montego Bay
in the little plaza across the street, but that plaza has really gone
"down-hill" over the last decade.
Still, you can go for days without having to drive anywhere
But the H.I. has upped their rates since there is so little competition
(motels) left.
My wife loves that Holiday Inn, and she absolutely refuses to sleep
aboard my little home-built cabin skiff.
Capricious
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