jim steckeljim steckelBeach Comber45 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Comber
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New sign on old Prominence property, next to Watersound Beach, yesterday, announcing a new development called Grace Pointe. No phone number on the sign. Any information as to developers, timing, site plan etc?
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tsutcliBeach FanaticSeacrest914 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
Don't know why anyone would think that changing the name will cure the fatal flaw of that property. Notably it has no beach access except through Deer Lake Park which is no access IMO. Only St Joe could save that property as an enlargement on Watersound Beach. Could it be destined as a commercial center - 30 acres as I remember on S side? Anyone see any connection between this and the old Aquaterra property recently going under contract?
tsutcli
tsutcliBeach FanaticSeacrest914 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
Just drove down there and I have to say it looks like the sign is on a piece of property between Prominence and Watersound - didn't know one existed. Advertised as a luxury resort with pool, tennis courts and luxury residences. No mention of beach. Curious that developers are listed as Comer Group ( Alyse Beach Comers? ) and Woodford Capital.
Kurt
KurtAdminSoWal2,475 postsJoined View profileMessageAdmin
I heard that DR Horton was buying Prominence.
Prominence property
Actually, Prominence is 40 acres on each side of 30a, for a total of 80 acres. Maybe Joe is selling beach club memberships?
Don't know why anyone would think that changing the name will cure the fatal flaw of that property. Notably it has no beach access except through Deer Lake Park which is no access IMO. Only St Joe could save that property as an enlargement on Watersound Beach. Could it be destined as a commercial center - 30 acres as I remember on S side? Anyone see any connection between this and the old Aquaterra property recently going under contract?
Actually, Prominence is 40 acres on each side of 30a, for a total of 80 acres. Maybe Joe is selling beach club memberships?
tsutcli
tsutcliBeach FanaticSeacrest914 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
Riiiiight!!!!! I can really see the Watersound HOA agreeing to that.
Camp Creek Kid
Camp Creek KidChristini ZambiniSeacrest Beach1,277 postsJoined View profileMessageChristini Zambini
A search of the Walton County Property Appraiser's website shows a November 08, 2012 sale of the property for $25,750,000 to D.R. Horton. Perhaps they are flipping the property? There is no way D.R. Horton can make that kind of money back by building their lower-end products.
JasonKoertge
JasonKoertgeBeach ComberSanta Rosa Beach7 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Comber
It's fascinating how DR Horton has really moved into this market. Was just discussing how much of a presence they now have in this market.
DR Horton purchase price of Prominence property
A search of the Walton County Property Appraiser's website shows a November 08, 2012 sale of the property for $25,750,000 to D.R. Horton. Perhaps they are flipping the property? There is no way D.R. Horton can make that kind of money back by building their lower-end products.[/QUOTE
The property was entitled for 650 residential units, 120 unit hotel, and 200k ft commercial under the Prominence development order. Divide just the 650 residential into purchase price and you get about $45k each, add infrastructure of about $20k each, and you get $65k per lot. Maybe some areas were townhouses? Where on 30a can you buy a lot for that price right on 30a? Then sell off the hotel and commercial piece. I think they got quite a deal ?
tsutcli
tsutcliBeach FanaticSeacrest914 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
And I repeat...who would build a house where there is no convenient beach access in a beach community? Isn't that what sank Aquaterra project when they lost the lawsuit with Sandcliffs over easement rights? Maybe Horton plans low income housing for 30a.
passin thrupassin thruBeach Fanatic343 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
The property was entitled for 650 residential units, 120 unit hotel, and 200k ft commercial under the Prominence development order.
Look at that kind of density, and that of NatureWalk, that the County thought was a good idea to grant not too many years back. Then consider what happens when every one of those eventual homes puts a huge SUV or three onto the SoWal roads, along with another 1000 golf carts, all of them searching for a way to the beach or taking a trip into Seaside.
Look at that kind of density, and that of NatureWalk, that the County thought was a good idea to grant not too many years back. Then consider what happens when every one of those eventual homes puts a huge SUV or three onto the SoWal roads, along with another 1000 golf carts, all of them searching for a way to the beach or taking a trip into Seaside.
30A Skunkape
30A SkunkapeSkunkyBackatown Seagrove10,329 postsJoined View profileMessageSkunky
Bobby J
Bobby JBeach FanaticBlue Mountain beach4,041 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
They will build it and probably sell it with a shuttle service to public beach access.
chansterchansterBanned187 postsJoined View profileMessageBanned
bobby please explain how places like watercolor phase 4 are selling at $250 plus a square foot now and are 1.5 miles to the beach? Even natures walk which was left for dead and is 2 miles to the beach is selling at over $200 a square foot.phase 4 watercolor sold many homes at $425 k 18-24 months ago and now many are 700-800k. i'm stunned with such a far distance to the beach what these are selling for. Even a few homes in seaside and watercolor or within10-20% of getting there money back from buying at bubble highs.
tsutcli
tsutcliBeach FanaticSeacrest914 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
The public access would be Deer Lake and while a nice walk from the head of the walkover to the beach it is a long one. Not what I would want if I had kids or had guests of advanced age. Also, are there any facilities there?
tsutcli
tsutcliBeach FanaticSeacrest914 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
Any up-dates on this project?
Zac
ZacBeach Lover30A148 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Lover
DR Horton has enough cash and has done enough business with St Joe there is a chance that they cut a deal with them to have beach access via the Watersound crossover area. Its a nice enough location(surrounded by Watersound) that it will work out. If Not a beach access they can compensate by making real nice amenities, shops, houses, and provide a shuttle service to a near by beach access. DR Horton is NOT about to just throw away 25 million dollars
tsutcli
tsutcliBeach FanaticSeacrest914 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
The previous owners of Prominence tried to cut such a deal with St. Joe which didn't fly. Could be that DR Horton has the money to get it done but wouldn't the HOA have to approve it? What could be in it for them to allow potentially that many more people into their rather exclusive, gated enclave. Their beach is protected from the masses on the east by Camp Creek Lake and on the west by Deer Lake State Park now. A shuttle service to Deer Lake Park is possible but there are no amenities there and very little parking. Also, the walk to the beach is long, not good if hauling beach goodies for the family and not if there are seniors.
There are major disincentives to building here unless they can solve the access problem - think fate of the Aquaterra project not far away.
There are major disincentives to building here unless they can solve the access problem - think fate of the Aquaterra project not far away.
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Zac
ZacBeach Lover30A148 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Lover
Yea That is true. Im sure a lot of the owners at Watersound would have strong objections if that happened but If anybody has the money to make a deal work its DR Horton. I drive by that area at least twice a day and noticed that they have another new sign on it now saying something along the lines "coming soon Prominence" along with the Grace point sign further down. Interesting....
Amy 30AAmy 30ABeach Comber12 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Comber
It's not DR Horton
Yea That is true. Im sure a lot of the owners at Watersound would have strong objections if that happened but If anybody has the money to make a deal work its DR Horton. I drive by that area at least twice a day and noticed that they have another new sign on it now saying something along the lines "coming soon Prominence" along with the Grace point sign further down. Interesting....
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