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I've been studying these markets with interest for a while now.

From another [ame="http://www.sowal.com/bb/showthread.php?p=106867#post106867"]thread[/ame] :

I agree, Panama is beautiful, but it doesn't have the Americans flocking to it like Costa Rica. I look at Costa Rica as a 3-5 yr investment and the returns will be astronomical.
Spencer: can you elaborate please?

Americans are going there. Don't you read the travel magazines? There are plenty of investors and developers from SoWal buying Panama as I type. A group I work with go down once a month and take small groups of investors with them.
SJ: I met one of these groups at the Alys Beach reception Thursday - it was very interesting to hear what they are doing. I am thinking about tagging along one of these days.

:roll: I can-not believe it! I go away for a few lousy days vacation...the market tanks over 200 in one day, gold craters, mortgage rates go up again and you guys are talking about speculating in land in Costa Rica....sheesh!
SHELLY: :clap_1: would love to hear more thoughts from you on these markets please.

Spencer I am leaving for Costa Rica in 5 days, maybe I will check some stuff out...
IBD: Please tell us all about your trip and take lots of photos! ...and if you have time, some investmant 'reconnaissance' would be great too! :floor:

Has anyone else been to Costa Rica or Panama? Your thoughts from an investment perpective?
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Smiling JOe avatar
Smiling JOeSoWal Expert
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SJ: I met one of these groups at the Alys Beach reception Thursday - it was very interesting to hear what they are doing. I am thinking about tagging along one of these days.
Let me know your time frame of when you want to go to Panama and I will take care of making arrangements for you.
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Let me know your time frame of when you want to go to Panama and I will take care of making arrangements for you.
GREAT thank you - I will :clap_1:
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SHELLY: :clap_1: would love to hear more thoughts from you on these markets please.

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What markets are you referring to?...real estate in far-flung countries.... or the travel companies that are hosting the trips for the investulators?
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What markets are you referring to?...real estate in far-flung countries.... or the travel companies that are hosting the trips for the investulators?
Whichever you feel like commenting on - enjoy reading your take on things ;-)
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Whichever you feel like commenting on - enjoy reading your take on things ;-)

Costa Rica real estate is the Investment-Du-Jour. Google the words and you'll get anywhere from 16- to 32- million hits...the "secret" is out.

If one is planning on actually living there--as opposed to "flipping" land and property--it might be worth a look-see. If one is planning on investulating, one must add the cost of the "tour" to the carry costs and only use money they can afford to lose. I'm betting we'll be reading scam stories about the same lots and condos being "sold" to numerous "investors" some time down the road.

The way to play this game would be to find a way to cash in on the "investulator" tours (a premium paid per head you can stick on a tour maybe?), Costa Rican tourist hotels/bars, servicing American retirees, and, sometime down the line...securing a license to practice law in Costa Rica to represent disgruntled investulators.

(Of course for those investulators who actually take the time to look up the location of Costa Rica on a map, they'll note that it may very well be subjected to hurricanes. That would be one hell of a long drive to board up the windows before or rip out wet carpeting and spraying down the walls with Clorox after.)
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Smiling JOeSoWal Expert
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Costa Rica real estate is the Investment-Du-Jour. Google the words and you'll get anywhere from 16- to 32- million hits...the "secret" is out.

If one is planning on actually living there--as opposed to "flipping" land and property--it might be worth a look-see. If one is planning on investulating, one must add the cost of the "tour" to the carry costs and only use money they can afford to lose. I'm betting we'll be reading scam stories about the same lots and condos being "sold" to numerous "investors" some time down the road.

The way to play this game would be to find a way to cash in on the "investulator" tours (a premium paid per head you can stick on a tour maybe?), Costa Rican tourist hotels/bars, servicing American retirees, and, sometime down the line...securing a license to practice law in Costa Rica to represent disgruntled investulators.

(Of course for those investulators who actually take the time to look up the location of Costa Rica on a map, they'll note that it may very well be subjected to hurricanes. That would be one hell of a long drive to board up the windows before or rip out wet carpeting and spraying down the walls with Clorox after.)
Panama, on the otherhand, has never had a reported hurricane. However, fee simple property has just been approved this past year in Panama and not every property is sold fee simple. You better know what the heck you are doing when you buy in a market which may be out of your league.
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Panama, on the otherhand, has never had a reported hurricane. However, fee simple property has just been approved this past year in Panama and not every property is sold fee simple. You better know what the heck you are doing when you buy in a market which may be out of your league.

Precisely why the "big boys" are still investing in the USA.
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You better know what the heck you are doing when you buy in a market which may be out of your league.

Hasn't stopped folks without a clue from doing it for the past couple years here in the good old U.S.A.--so they might as well go international.

I think the target audience for this latest pitch for foreign real estate is aimed at those who feel they've "missed out" on the U.S. real estate whoopee cushion.

I'd venture to bet that you can count the number of folks who "know what they're doing" on the thumb of one hand (over a 6-month period) on all those $650 7-day "Investor Tours of Panama/Costa Rica/Nicaragua/etc./etc."
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30A SkunkapeSkunky
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Gringos beware. La hierba solomente es mas verde en lado otra (or somehting like that). :shock:
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Gringos beware. La hierba solomente es mas verde en lado otra (or somehting like that). :shock:

El c?sped es siempre m?s verde en el otro lado de la cerca.

Tenga cuidado con Corredores de bienes ra?ces que soportan condo de preconstruction
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:popcorn: wow they are going back and forth in spanish!!! (they could be talking about cat litter for all I know) LOL 😀
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:popcorn: wow they are going back and forth in spanish!!! (they could be talking about cat litter for all I know) LOL 😀

How's your Latin?

Caveat Emptor!
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30A SkunkapeSkunky
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How's your Latin?

Caveat Emptor!
:floor:

Yeah, or in vino veritas which is why the guys selling this stuff stick to Coca-Cola when los gringos estan ayer :lol:
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better than Spanish.... I googled your words to learn that you were not talking about kitty litter!!!:floor:
How's your Latin?

Caveat Emptor!
RlumpyBeach Comber
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I own property in Destin and Seacrest. I bought a lot in Panama a couple of years ago. My family is from there. Panama is an incrediable opportunity. It is so much cheaper than Costa Rica and Panama has a city that is not third world. Most major financial institutions are there and construction is booming in the city.

We bought a 1/2 acre lot on a golf course 150 yards from the beach for $50k. The development is about 40 minutes from the city. To build a 1,500 sq ft house would cost about $70K. The golf course was designed by Fazio Sr. and the development has an equestrian village. Something similar in Costa Rica would cost you about $400K. The easy $ in Costa Rica is gone.

There is so much development in Panama. I believe in 10years, it will surpass Costa Rica. One final note, there are no property tax in Panama for the first 20 years. Also, the purchase is fee simple and purchases are filed in the courthouse and kept on record. There is mortgage financing there if needed at rates lower than the us.
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RiverOttergot any pics?
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I own property in Destin and Seacrest. I bought a lot in Panama a couple of years ago. My family is from there. Panama is an incrediable opportunity. It is so much cheaper than Costa Rica and Panama has a city that is not third world. Most major financial institutions are there and construction is booming in the city.

We bought a 1/2 acre lot on a golf course 150 yards from the beach for $50k. The development is about 40 minutes from the city. To build a 1,500 sq ft house would cost about $70K. The golf course was designed by Fazio Sr. and the development has an equestrian village. Something similar in Costa Rica would cost you about $400K. The easy $ in Costa Rica is gone.

There is so much development in Panama. I believe in 10years, it will surpass Costa Rica. One final note, there are no property tax in Panama for the first 20 years. Also, the purchase is fee simple and purchases are filed in the courthouse and kept on record. There is mortgage financing there if needed at rates lower than the us.

Got any links?
RlumpyBeach Comber
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Just found out Trump is building a curvy building similar to the hotel in Dubai featuring condos, hotel, casino, private beach and marina in Panama City. With the expansion of the canal, there will be tremendous commerce there. Now is the time to cash in.
Also planned is a 100 story condo named the ice tower.

Much in store in Panama.
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Just found out Trump is building a curvy building similar to the hotel in Dubai featuring condos, hotel, casino, private beach and marina in Panama City. With the expansion of the canal, there will be tremendous commerce there. Now is the time to cash in.
Also planned is a 100 story condo named the ice tower.

Much in store in Panama.

I don't know anything about Panama RE, but I don't think Trump's involvement means it is necessarily time to buy. Trump is doing a huge project here in Tampa (mostly residential waterview condos), and it is very luxe and I think it's a sellout, but it hasn't necessarily boosted interest in the many other condo projects going up nearby. In fact since the Trump announcement a couple of projects have fallen by the wayside, and the other ones are just plugging along. Not much buzz. The market is cooling.

Sounds like you bought at a good time though. :clap_1:

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