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From the Destin Log




Seller cuts price of house by $1 million
By Jim Wagner
June 27, 2007 4:07 AM

FOR SALE: This sign on Calhoun Avenue shows the seller?s price reduction of $1 million.A Destin doctor who has had his pulse on the Destin real estate scene for more than 30 years has slashed the asking price of his bayfront home by $1 million.
Now, the home that Darlene and Dr. Mike Raim live in carries a listing price of $1.79 million. It was $2.79 million.
?We?re trying to get someone?s attention ? shock value,? Raim said in an interview.
Raim bought the house at 619 Calhoun Ave. in 1981 and said he paid $131,000. It was built in 1972 and has undergone a couple of remodels, he said. It?s 2,700 square feet, has three bedrooms, two full baths and sits on 1 acre. There?s 157 feet of waterfront on Choctawhatchee Bay. Pilings from what once was a good-sized pier stick out of the water, the relic of Hurricane Ivan in September 2004.
When the Raims put the house on the market in August 2004, it was listed at $1.9 million. But with the Destin real estate market at the time red hot, with prices shooting up almost by day and some buyers snapping up homes before the for-sale signs even went up in the front yard, Raim fi gured the house and land would fetch more.
In March 2005, he upped it to $2.2 million. In the summer of 2005, to $2.49 million. In the summer of 2006, he asked $2.79 million. It?s listed on the tax rolls today at $1.5 million, he said.
Up to now, Raim said most of their would-be buyers were only ?tire kickers.?
Pat Fisher, an independent broker representing the Raims, said they had offers in 2004 and 2005, ?but they just didn?t work.?
So after nearly three years on the market, Raim said, he needed to do something to call attention to the property.
He?s hopeful his latest price change will be the dealmaker.
Last year, Raim said, a vacant bayfront lot just south of his home on Calhoun sold for $1.15 million, and it was half the size of his. And today, two vacant lots on Joe?s Bayou, less than a mile from his home, are listed at $950,000 each, he said.
The beauty of his lot, he said, is that it can be split into two nice-sized waterfront properties, each with about 75 feet on the bay.
?I?m selling for the land value, not for the house,? he said.
On a stroll to the water?s edge one recent evening, mullet jumped through the air, splashing in the shallow water. Men zipped by a little further out on personal watercraft. The western sky was turning color with the sunset as bigger boats made their way home out in Choctawhatchee Bay.
Raim says he couldn?t live anywhere else but on the water.
He figures he?ll stick with his $1.79 million price for two months ? and then if it does not move, he?ll change his strategy. Plan B may have him building two houses on the property, one for each of his two children, then build a house for him and his wife on a vacant lot he owns on a canal on Holiday Isle. Then there?s a house and land he owns less than a mile away on Calhoun, where he could build.
?Quality pieces of property are hard to come by,? he said. ?Everybody wants their lot to be valuable, but nobody wants to pay the taxes.?
Fisher said that at a meeting about commercial real estate a few weeks ago with three bank presidents, ?they wanted to let us know they are still lending money but that appraisals are on coming in lower than the contract price.?
She cited an example: ?I had a house listed on the bay, $1.75 million, an excellent house. I got a contract, waited two weeks for the appraisal, and it came in 30 percent low. It killed the deal. In my 10 years in real estate, I?ve never had that happen.
?It was frustrating for everybody ? the seller wanted to sell, the buyers wanted to buy and the mortgage company was ready to lend,? Fisher said.
Mary Anne Windes, a veteran broker in Destin who has Real Estate Professionals of Destin, said in an e-mail interview, ?The trend is that prices are moving to the same level that they were in 2003. As you will recall, 2004 and 2005 saw tremendous and often unrealistic growth. The market has now corrected itself. Many properties doubled in value during that time, so a drop of half the value is not unrealistic right now if a seller needs to sell.?
Raim remembers the 1970s, when he said you could buy waterfront property in Destin, Niceville and Cinco Bayou for a down payment of $100 and then $30 to $35 a month.
?The masses could afford it,? he said.
Today, that?s harder and harder, he said.
Raim traces his roots to the Destin area to his four years as an optometrist in the Air Force; he came to Destin in 1975 and became the community?s first optometrist when he opened his practice in 1977.

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SHELLY avatar
SoWal Insider
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....Amen.

Pass the gravy please.


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SoWal Insider
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He's an optometrist?? I need to advise my son to drop the cello studies and become an optometrist! :shock:
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He's an optometrist??

He apparently didn't see THAT coming. :biggrin: .
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Needs to change his perscription for rose-colored glasses. :cool:

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scooterbug44 avatar
SoWal Expert
#5
There was an ocean front house on 30A that dropped its asking price a million months ago. I totally did a double take when I saw that placard on the sign!
Beach Crab
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From the Destin Log




Seller cuts price of house by $1 million
By Jim Wagner
June 27, 2007 4:07 AM


He?s hopeful his latest price change will be the dealmaker.
Last year, Raim said, a vacant bayfront lot just south of his home on Calhoun sold for $1.15 million, and it was half the size of his. And today, two vacant lots on Joe?s Bayou, less than a mile from his home, are listed at $950,000 each, he said.

The optometrist needs a lesson in RE. Equating listing prices or selling prices from a year ago to the logic of what his home is worth is ridiculous. Sounds like he was one of the lemmings running off the edge of the cliff during the unrealistic runup in the early to mid 2000's.
Beach Crab
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From the Destin Log




She cited an example: ?I had a house listed on the bay, $1.75 million, an excellent house. I got a contract, waited two weeks for the appraisal, and it came in 30 percent low. It killed the deal. In my 10 years in real estate, I?ve never had that happen.
?It was frustrating for everybody ? the seller wanted to sell, the buyers wanted to buy and the mortgage company was ready to lend,? Fisher said.
Mary Anne Windes, a veteran broker in Destin who has Real Estate Professionals of Destin, said in an e-mail interview, ?The trend is that prices are moving to the same level that they were in 2003. As you will recall, 2004 and 2005 saw tremendous and often unrealistic growth. The market has now corrected itself. Many properties doubled in value during that time, so a drop of half the value is not unrealistic right now if a seller needs to sell.?

Prices have quickly fallen to 2003 levels and they are likely to deteriorate further until supply and demand fall into sync which could be 10 years or more.
Beach Lover
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asking 2.79 million for that house was a greedy situation. greed is everywhere and it is kind of funny really. compare what people paid to what people want and you kind of get the greed cooefficient which is truly amazing, really makes you laugh...sorry for the sellers? I dont think so, only the ones who paid too much in 05 and 06.
Beach Lover
#9
the guy paid 131k and he's asking 2.79 million????

WTF???????????????

Am I supposed to feel sorry for this guy or what???
Beach Lover
#10
maybe drop the price by another half mil and then that would be a good return vs what he paid for it???????
Beach Lover
#11
drop another half mil and now you have a price of 679k, vs a price he paid of 131k....wow I just dont get this whole deal; that would be a heck of an investment at 679k....about 50% per year...isnt greed lovely??? how many of us get 50% per year on our investment?????
Beach Comber
#12
drop another half mil and now you have a price of 679k, vs a price he paid of 131k....wow I just dont get this whole deal; that would be a heck of an investment at 679k....about 50% per year...isnt greed lovely??? how many of us get 50% per year on our investment?????

Now Now, you have to adjust for inflation. What were salaries back in the 70s, gas prices, gallon of milk.... The real return may not be as great as one would think. Little Robert Shiller thinking going on here. :cool:
Beach Lover
#13
Yes agreed! Isn't exaggerating great? Also you got to figure in all those holding costs for all those years and other things so the guys gross return is not his real return.....little tongue in cheek here, sorry.
elgordoboy avatar
Beach Fanatic
#14
With a quick calculation using my fingers and toes and the rule of 72--it seems to be around a 10-11% return if it should sell at the lowered price. That's from $131,000 to $1.79 million.
SHELLY avatar
SoWal Insider
#15
With a quick calculation using my fingers and toes and the rule of 72--it seems to be around a 10-11% return if it should sell at the lowered price. That's from $131,000 to $1.79 million.

Keep your shoes off...you still have to subtract the 100K realtor's fee and other carrying costs. While you're at it, turn in your shoelaces and belt if you really believe that this joker is going to unload that property into this market for that price.

P.S. Don't bother calculating the repair costs for the dock that Ivan chewed up and spit out. Apparently he believes that the "Pilings from what once was a good-sized pier--the relic of Hurricane Ivan in September 2004" is an interesting selling point.


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elgordoboy avatar
Beach Fanatic
#16
Keep your shoes off...you still have to subtract the 100K realtor's fee and other carrying costs. While you're at it, turn in your shoelaces and belt if you really believe that this joker is going to unload that property into this market for that price.

P.S. Don't bother calculating the repair costs for the dock that Ivan chewed up and spit out. Apparently he believes that the "Pilings from what once was a good-sized pier--the relic of Hurricane Ivan in September 2004" is an interesting selling point.


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Mine was simply an observation in reply more to the %50 percent annual gains (to put it in perspective as a mediocre return at best after all associated costs) . I am neither pro nor con on this guy selling his property or touting real estate like his as an investment. Great board btw.
Beach Fanatic
#17
So what if this guy is trying to make some money on his property. He may be optimistic on his pricing, but he doesn't sound like some johnny come lately locust flipper. Hasn't he been living in the house for over 25 years?

Yes, he's had carrying costs but it's not investment carrying costs. It's the same carrying costs that everyone who owns a primary residence has.
Beach Lover
#18
I hope the guy gets every single penny...and a lot more! As the article notes, he's been living here and contributing to our community for over three decades.... It's not like he's one of these people rushing in here at the market's peak and buying up "pre-construction" properties to flip. Since when does trying to sell something that you've owned for 30 years constitute "greed"? You'd think property owners here would be rooting for this guy, and not slamming him! Yikes!

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Beach Lover
#19
his gain from what he was originally asking and what he paid 35 yrs ago would have been over 75k per year, plus he lived in the house for free. I dont know if this qualifies as greed or not, more power to this guy, if he can do it, so can I and you and you and you!!!!! (see a problem here?)
Beach Fanatic
#20
Nope, I don't see a problem. It's called a free market.
Beachlover2 avatar
Beach FanaticAuthor
#21
his gain from what he was originally asking and what he paid 35 yrs ago would have been over 75k per year, plus he lived in the house for free. I dont know if this qualifies as greed or not, more power to this guy, if he can do it, so can I and you and you and you!!!!! (see a problem here?)


I don't call paying taxes - insurance - utilities - upkeep - new a/c - remodeling during the 35 years etc exactly living for free. My parents bought their house 50 years ago for 18K - today the land is worth 300K - but explain to my mother on her fixed income that she is living for free when she is having a tough time paying taxes. etc. Don't penalize him because he stayed in his home all these years.
tistheseason avatar
Beach Fanatic
#22
I wish I had the money to buy it. I grew up visiting some friends on Calhoun Drive every summer. It was basically the only vacations we had as a child. The best was every 4th of july sitting on the dock watching the fireworks displays for every town over the bay. If only I had a $1.79 million. . . .ahhhh nostalgia.

Seriously, I am surprised it wouldn't be gobbled up at that price. An acre on the bay!
Beach Lover
#23
I know what you're trying to say about greed, Rambunkscious, but I think the large numbers are just playing tricks on your emotions.

Here are the facts:

Even IF the man in that article sells his home for $3 MILLION, his investment will ultimately have been a very poor one.

Why?

Since 1920s, the average annual return in the stock market has been 10.3%. At that rate, if the man in the article had invested his $131,000 in the stock market in 1972 (instead of buying a home in Destin for his family), he would now have amassed $4,049,620... More than DOUBLE his $1.7 million asking price!

Over 35 years, $1.7 million is less than an 8% return on his original $131,000 investment.

Again, there is absolutely NO GREED or wrongdoing WHATSOEVER on behalf this guy. He's just a guy trying to get a fair market value for a home that he's owned for 35 years. If the guy's greedy, he should be asking $5 million for the house. As it turns out though, he's giving someone a heckuva deal. Personally, I hope he gets DOUBLE what he's asking for it now--it will ultimately help every single one of us.
drsvelte avatar
Beach Fanatic
#24
[if the man in the article had invested his $131,000 in the stock market in 1972 (instead of buying a home in Destin for his family), he would now have amassed $4,049,620./QUOTE]

I think he purchased the home in 1981-82 not 1972, so your present value of market returns is overestimated.

Hey, he can ASK whatever he wants. That's not greed; that's what's makes a market. Whether he gets a BID is another thing.
Beach Lover
#25
Well, now you're just being logical... ;-)
Miss Kitty avatar
Meow
#26
Well, now you're just being logical... ;-)


:floor: ...I hate when that happens!!!

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