My next cooking project is to learn how to make gumbo (like NOLA's Gumbo Shop & Wentzels/Mobile).
Need tips & recipes from all you chefs out there!
Thanks! :wave:
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Couple of things:
1. Summer Beer is GRAYT!! We keep the suff around all summer. Doesn't last long for some reason!!!;-) Especially good to take to the beach.
2.SJ is right on with his recipe and re-heating the second day. Fresh gumbo is not nearly as good as the second (or third) day. Kind of like field peas and such.
3. Purists don't like it but a good packaged base is not a bad way to start out if you are not really comforatable with making a roux from scratch. Really easy to burn and mess up your gumbo. Zataran used to make a base but I haven't seen it up here in a long time. They have one with rice already in it, but this is not the way I like it.
1. Summer Beer is GRAYT!! We keep the suff around all summer. Doesn't last long for some reason!!!;-) Especially good to take to the beach.
2.SJ is right on with his recipe and re-heating the second day. Fresh gumbo is not nearly as good as the second (or third) day. Kind of like field peas and such.
3. Purists don't like it but a good packaged base is not a bad way to start out if you are not really comforatable with making a roux from scratch. Really easy to burn and mess up your gumbo. Zataran used to make a base but I haven't seen it up here in a long time. They have one with rice already in it, but this is not the way I like it.
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Check out www.nolacuisine.com recipes, pictures, commentary. I'm getting chills just thinking about it. Recipe links are on the right column down a bit. I have been inspired to make my own tasso and andouille..after I build a smoker (may take a while 😀). There are a couple different gumbos the darker roux one being more classic I guess, though I prefer the gumbos from the brick roux. Plus I think there is a gumbo z'herbes there as well..all greens. I haven't tried it yet but it will happen soon it looks great. Good luck! Maybe experiment and use duck fat for the roux. Now I can't go to work today, I am off to the store.
I can't get the above link to load...any suggestions?
SoWal Expert
This sounds good SJ. I like the sound of dark roux, sausage & shrimp...mmm & red wine too!I forgot to add the roux in my recipe. OOPS! good catch.
I prefer roux & file (okra is OK...but not as the main thickening agent).
I need some clarification on your layering process...
1. About how much liquid to make your shrimp stock? To cover?
2. When do you add the roux...to the sauteed trinity & sausage?
3. Do you go ahead & add some rice BEFORE you set it away until minana?
1) shrimp stock-- add shrimp peels and heads to a little canola oil (or butter) and brown. Add onions and celery (can also add carrots), salt and pepper. sautee for 5-10 minutes on medium heat. Add water. Amount of water depends on how much stock I want and how much soup I make. I usually make big batches of gumbo, and would add maybe 3qrts of water. Bring to a boil, then reduce heat to simmer for 30-45 minutes (uncovered). You can skim off fat which floats to the top.
2) I add roux to thicken just prior to adding the shrimp. Stir in roux in small portions until disolved. Note that the soup will not thicken immediately, so careful with the amount which you add.
3) Yes, I typically add cooked some cooked rice toward the end of cooking. I try to keep it as a thick soup, but also love to pour the gumbo over a bowl of rice for a full entree feel. Always serve with corn bread. Yum!
Though not as tasty as homemade shrimp stock, it is a little less work to use chicken, or fish bullion cubes to make a stock. Fish is better than chicken, if you have a choice.
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I can't get the above link to load...any suggestions?Try it again perhaps, it just worked for me. Good luck 😀
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Well Gang....
Thanks to all your help, suggestions, food shopping sources (Shrimpers was the ticket for andouille & tasso as well as shrimp), and on-line links; the "maiden gumbo voyage" is simmering on the stove at this very minute!! Of course I'm not going to truly indulge until TOMORROW on SJ's recommendation!
For one thing, after all the recipe comparisons, shopping, chopping & prep; I'm too pooped to even think about indulging in gumbo tonite!!
But...it looks (& sample tastes) like it will be glorious! Rich thick dark chocolate brown roux just the way I love it... but OY-VAY what a major Pain in the Arse making that roux was... I was so intimidated about burning & spoiling it that I spent over 30 minutes on the roux alone.
Elgordoboy...I found a back door into www.nowalcuisine.com and got the downlow on cooking roux. Per the blog, the critical factor is going
S-S-L-L-O-O-W-W and drinking (I subbed wine for beer) at each change of color!!!
I had plenty of time to ponder over how old-timey 18th-19th century cooks could find time to sit around stirring roux for hours on end when just carrying & boiling water was a major ta-doo...
THANKS to All of YOU!! Bon Appetit!! :wave:
Thanks to all your help, suggestions, food shopping sources (Shrimpers was the ticket for andouille & tasso as well as shrimp), and on-line links; the "maiden gumbo voyage" is simmering on the stove at this very minute!! Of course I'm not going to truly indulge until TOMORROW on SJ's recommendation!
For one thing, after all the recipe comparisons, shopping, chopping & prep; I'm too pooped to even think about indulging in gumbo tonite!!
But...it looks (& sample tastes) like it will be glorious! Rich thick dark chocolate brown roux just the way I love it... but OY-VAY what a major Pain in the Arse making that roux was... I was so intimidated about burning & spoiling it that I spent over 30 minutes on the roux alone.
Elgordoboy...I found a back door into www.nowalcuisine.com and got the downlow on cooking roux. Per the blog, the critical factor is going
S-S-L-L-O-O-W-W and drinking (I subbed wine for beer) at each change of color!!!
I had plenty of time to ponder over how old-timey 18th-19th century cooks could find time to sit around stirring roux for hours on end when just carrying & boiling water was a major ta-doo...
THANKS to All of YOU!! Bon Appetit!! :wave:
SoWal Expert
Can't wait to hear how it turns out!!! You go girl!:clap::clap:
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I just copied some good soundin' stuff. 😀 Nice roux shots, drsvelte. Do you ever use Kitchen Bouquet to darken up your roux? Was the darker pix just bacon grease or smoked meat grease? In other words, was just the flour cooking longer that got it that dark?
Maybe I'll go check out this other NOLA link too. Thanks for the grayt soundin' recipes ya'll.
Maybe I'll go check out this other NOLA link too. Thanks for the grayt soundin' recipes ya'll.
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Was the darker pix just bacon grease or smoked meat grease? In other words, was just the flour cooking longer that got it that dark?
Just plain old flour and vegetable oil! The trick, as Dune-AHH found out, is to take your time and don't rush things. 😀 The first pix is after maybe 10-15 minutes, the second after about 20 minutes or so. Medium heat and lottsa stirring and whisking.
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I just copied some good soundin' stuff. 😀 Nice roux shots, drsvelte. Do you ever use Kitchen Bouquet to darken up your roux? Was the darker pix just bacon grease or smoked meat grease? In other words, was just the flour cooking longer that got it that dark?
Maybe I'll go check out this other NOLA link too. Thanks for the grayt soundin' recipes ya'll.
I started to use bacon grease ... but then I wimped out, because everything I'd read about making roux noted that you should start with a very clean pan & if you see black specks forming in the roux then it's burnt and must be thrown out. Since this was my first attempt I was afraid I wouldn't know the difference between bacon bits and burnt bits ... so I scrapped using the bacon grease, cleaned the skillet & instead used LARD as the fat.
DrSvelte's pictures helped alot 😀
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Okay, do ya'll just eyeball it or do you meaure your flour and vegetable oil and or lard and/or drippings? How do you keep it from getting lumpy when you add to the stock? Any tricks would be appreciated. That sure sounds good that way. I guess I've always quit before it got good and really chocolatey brown. I'm gonna try it. Thanks ya'll. :wave:I think Publix has some head on shrimp up here in Tennesse.
Also, tell me more about tasso please. I went to the :cool: link. Thanks. How much would you put in your pot of red beans and rice? Is it hot or just spicy like salt pork or country bacon? I gotta try this. :drool:
Also, tell me more about tasso please. I went to the :cool: link. Thanks. How much would you put in your pot of red beans and rice? Is it hot or just spicy like salt pork or country bacon? I gotta try this. :drool:
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Okay, do ya'll just eyeball it or do you meaure your flour and vegetable oil and or lard and/or drippings? How do you keep it from getting lumpy when you add to the stock? Any tricks would be appreciated. That sure sounds good that way. I guess I've always quit before it got good and really chocolatey brown. I'm gonna try it. Thanks ya'll. :wave:I think Publix has some head on shrimp up here in Tennesse.
Also, tell me more about tasso please. I went to the :cool: link. Thanks. How much would you put in your pot of red beans and rice? Is it hot or just spicy like salt pork or country bacon? I gotta try this. :drool:
Approx. 1 - 1 ratio of fat to flour. But slowly add the flour to the hot fat ...
maybe sprinkling 1/4 of the flour at a time & whisking that in well before adding more.
My roux was the color of Dr.Svelte's darker photo. It turned dark chocolate once I added the trinity to the roux. I actually took the roux off the burner, then added the trinity & stirred like hail. There was so much heat in the roux it continued cooking...because once I added the trinity, while the roux was glossy & shiny on the surface, it started getting "fudgey" on the bottom of the cast iron skillet even though I was stirring & folding like a mad woman.
I added the stock TO the roux / trinity mixture after that had cooked for a little while (maybe 5-8 minutes) ... a little stock at a time, constantly whisking to incorporate. I started by incorporating about 1/4 of stock to the roux/trinity still in the hot skillet (over med. low burner). Then I transferred that thinned out base to the big soup pot before finishing incorporating the balance of the stock. (Keep in mind...this was my 1st attempt ... so I may have made it more labor intensive than an experienced gumbo maker would)
IMO Tasso is spicy, but not "hot" per se. I like to chop & saute it before adding (though that's not required because it's cured). I like alot of meat in red beans & rice... so if the recipe calls for 1/2lb., I double that by
mixing meats: 1/2 lb. of sliced sausage + 1/2 lb of chopped tasso. That's just me, tho ... I like my red beans & rice all mushed together, thick and sticky like the consistency of jambalaya.
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Hot roux and cold stock. It can be added all at once and you get no lumps. 😀
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Hot roux and cold stock. It can be added all at once and you get no lumps. 😀
I read about that (and conversely cold roux / hot stock) ...
technically, why does it work (or how do it know)?
and does cold mean "refrigerator cold" ... or just "room temp cold"?
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The cold means just not hot in my experience, room temp has always worked fine. I think when the hot stock is added to hot roux it maybe cooks the outside quicker making little bitty dumplings (lumps). Cold roux perhaps gives it time to dissolve and incorporate. Cold stock and hot roux..roux dissolves before the whole things heats up and begins thickening. Cold-Cold I dunno maybe it wouldn't incorporate well and will separate. I have only had personal experience with the hot hot (strained gravies) and hot roux cold stock.
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