Lowering the speed limit on 30A?

**Just Curious** · 03-24-2010, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by AndrewG

I disagree about LSV's not being safe. Only licensed drivers are allowed to drive them.
The Florida restrictions on LSV's are the tighest in the Country. The 25 mph limit is required because it's been extensively tested to be safe. Motorcycles are much more dangerous if safety is your concern. As i said before I'm much more worried about standard vehicles driving way over the speed limit.

As the 45mph zones develop it will be reduced to 35mph so it's really a moot issue. I can see why LSV owners would want legal access to all of 30-A sooner rather than later. It's going to happen anyways unless State law is revised.

Those afraid of change coming to 30-A should be more concerned about the Chain restaurants coming to 98. If the airport is a big success change will happen even quicker. It seems futile to fight the inevitable. Try to start dealing with it. You have to pick and choose your battles.

Ok, as soon as Grayton State Park gets developed I will accept changing the speed limit from 45 to 35. Until that happens ride your bike on the multi-use path.

**John R** · 03-24-2010, 09:05 AM

Even if the 30A speed limit is lowered to 35, the max allowable speed of LSV's is 25. So by Robertsondavies' logic, the speed limit of 30A will effectively be 25mph for it's entire length. So, will you next advocate pulloff's be installed so traffic can get by the golfcarts that can't even hit the new lower speed limit?

**AndrewG** · 03-24-2010, 11:02 AM

I believe LSV's can only travel on stretches of roads with a posted 35mph or less. I would hope they would install more pull offs. You do realize 35mph is the Speed Limit. 36 mph is illegal but 25 mph isn't

**John R** · 03-24-2010, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by AndrewG

I believe LSV's can only travel on stretches of roads with a posted 35mph or less. I would hope they would install more pull offs. You do realize 35mph is the Speed Limit. 36 mph is illegal but 25 mph isn't

Yes, i understand what limit means. There are high and low limits. Traveling the length of 30a at 25mph may not be entirely safe.

**AndrewG** · 03-24-2010, 03:48 PM

25MPH falls within the legal speed of a 35MPH posted zone.

I don't think any speed is entirely safe.

**nr light** · 03-24-2010, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by AndrewG

I disagree about LSV's not being safe. Only licensed drivers are allowed to drive them.
The Florida restrictions on LSV's are the tighest in the Country. The 25 mph limit is required because it's been extensively tested to be safe. Motorcycles are much more dangerous if safety is your concern. As i said before I'm much more worried about standard vehicles driving way over the speed limit.

As the 45mph zones develop it will be reduced to 35mph so it's really a moot issue. I can see why LSV owners would want legal access to all of 30-A sooner rather than later. It's going to happen anyways unless State law is revised.

Those afraid of change coming to 30-A should be more concerned about the Chain restaurants coming to 98. If the airport is a big success change will happen even quicker. It seems futile to fight the inevitable. Try to start dealing with it. You have to pick and choose your battles.

Glad you're in this conversation Andrew -

Some people seem to think that the fact that LSVs don't have doors it must be more unsafe than say......a motorcycle? A JEEP? It seems to me that people are grasping at air with the "safety" argument. There's no helmet law in florida either, what about that? Here's the bottom line, if youre so concerned with the safety of the drivers and passengers in these vehicles DON'T RUN THEM DOWN. its not DOORS that dictate how safe a vehicle is. Speed. Speed at impact. Speed of other vehicles.
I'm not saying that all people are safe drivers - not saying all LSV drivers are safe drivers...I am saying, however, is that if you want each other safe, drive safely NO MATTER THE VEHICLE.

**robertsondavies** · 03-24-2010, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by John R

Even if the 30A speed limit is lowered to 35, the max allowable speed of LSV's is 25. So by Robertsondavies' logic, the speed limit of 30A will effectively be 25mph for it's entire length. So, will you next advocate pulloff's be installed so traffic can get by the golfcarts that can't even hit the new lower speed limit?

Whats wrong with 3 miles of lower speed limits on 30As? I thought y'all said it was all about safety... errr was that convenience, i can't remember? Lower the whole damn thing to 25MPH I say, because I'm all about safety.

Like the NR Light said here, safety is all related to SPEED and Mass at impact basically. From an insurance companies perspective - If there werent' so many flipping 6000 lb (tax deduction elligible) SUV's in South Walton, the rates to drive an LSV in South Walton would be even lower then the low rates already given to these unbelievably safe vehicles. The best part about the LSV, is that, by weighing a fraction of the regular SUV or Car, and by going 30% slower, they're safe as all hell for everyone else in the community. Oh, but the opponents know more than insurance companies on safety and the Sierra club on the Environment... at least if it means they'll have to go a little slower for 3 miles of 30A a few times for someone other than those bikers that NEVER pull over.

**John R** · 03-25-2010, 12:10 AM

So you will single hand-idly get rid of the SUV's also? Will you keep the second home owner, or tourist from out of state, off of 30A if their car isn't agreeable to you. Sure, LSV's are safe, if they're all that's on the road, and the bikers. But your utopia can never exist. Eventually, one will get plowed by the unprepared driver of the 6000lb vehicle, and we'll get to revisit this side of the debate, again. I hope it's no one I know.

**robertsondavies** · 03-25-2010, 07:13 AM

Originally Posted by John R

So you will single hand-idly get rid of the SUV's also? Will you keep the second home owner, or tourist from out of state, off of 30A if their car isn't agreeable to you. Sure, LSV's are safe, if they're all that's on the road, and the bikers. But your utopia can never exist. Eventually, one will get plowed by the unprepared driver of the 6000lb vehicle, and we'll get to revisit this side of the debate, again. I hope it's no one I know.

"But your utopia can never exist" - ah, but can't we try.

"sure, LSV's are safe" - we're progressing here, this is good.

"Eventually, one will get plowed... " True, you're right on the money. Eventually, also a Tahoe will hit a Biker, as will a pedestrian, but I don't plan on outlawing bikers or pedestrians, I hope they are no one I know either of course"

Should Florida Outlaw convertibles ? They're ACTUALLY less safe, instead of more safe than an LSV, ask an Insurance adjuster. I say keep them.

**AndrewG** · 03-25-2010, 09:59 AM

This isn't about banning vehicles. In fact it's the exact opposite. We want all vehicles to have access.

So John since larger vehicles are much deadlier because they cause more damage and destruction when involved in any accident, and you're focused on safety... Seems the larger vehicles are the problem.

I want to buy an LSV now.

**robertsondavies** · 03-25-2010, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by AndrewG

This isn't about banning vehicles. In fact it's the exact opposite. We want all vehicles to have access.

So John since larger vehicles are much deadlier because they cause more damage and destruction when involved in any accident, and you're focused on safety... Seems the larger vehicles are the problem.

I want to buy an LSV now.

This isn't about safety really to the naysayers. Safety is just the last good thing to fall back on, when it's fairly clear most environmental groups support LSV usage. What they really want is to be able to go 55 or 60MPH, on those last tiny stretches of 45MPH on 30A, and don't want to slow down for 1 Minute for an LSV going 30 on those tiny stretches.

What they really want is quick convenience, - let's not kid ourselves.

**graytondream7** · 03-25-2010, 05:33 PM

I really dont think its a good idea. Youve got to think about the people that MUST drive on it everyday. It would then be a slower commute to where they have to go. Sure people could drive golf carts on the road, but 35 mph. Thats to slow for a small highway.

**Lake Eastern** · 03-25-2010, 06:31 PM

Please realize that there are still folks who need to get to work and aren't here on vacation. There are long stretches of 30-A that just do not need to be 35 mph. I still regret the planners didn't listen to oldtimers like Gene Wesley when they requested a 3rd lane for turning before they gave up the easements along 30A.

**AndrewG** · 03-25-2010, 07:57 PM

You're just going to have a take a different route or plan ahead and leave earlier. 30-a is not a highway anymore if it ever was. Young kids frequently ride bikes, walk right next to it. Everything about 30-A is slowing it down for safety reasons.

There are 3 different cut ins to 30-A from 98 now not including the ends.

**John R** · 03-25-2010, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by robertsondavies

This isn't about safety really to the naysayers. Safety is just the last good thing to fall back on, when it's fairly clear most environmental groups support LSV usage. What they really want is to be able to go 55 or 60MPH, on those last tiny stretches of 45MPH on 30A, and don't want to slow down for 1 Minute for an LSV going 30 on those tiny stretches.

What they really want is quick convenience, - let's not kid ourselves.

robertsondavies, you've been using a very broad brush with your use of they. Please don't presume to know my motivation(s). If I want quick convenience, I use 98. But I live here and require use of 30A daily, I know the perils of my decisions. I believe you don't live here. Is that correct?

**SWGB** · 03-26-2010, 12:06 AM

30A is a highway, ever notice the sign? It's a County Highway sign. I'm betting most people don't know that 30A used to run along the beach through WaterColor and Grayton? What is now Blue Mountain Beach Road used to be a section of 30A.

Just putting a penny on the tracks.

**robertsondavies** · 03-26-2010, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by SWGB

30A is a highway, ever notice the sign? It's a County Highway sign. I'm betting most people don't know that 30A used to run along the beach through WaterColor and Grayton? What is now Blue Mountain Beach Road used to be a section of 30A.

Just putting a penny on the tracks.

Sorry, 30A is not a 'hwy' despite its name. There are stop signs in Seaside that would indicate to a reasonable person standard, that its not. and I support those stop signs by the way - obviously the crowd here that can't go a little slower for 2 miles on the Deer Lake stretch would also have been against putting 2 stop signs in Seaside, which effectively lowers your average speed through Seaside, to below 15MPH, counting the stops.

Why not just take Seaside itself out... it would speed up your trip times - take the tourism out? I say the "convenience" of locals trip times is a necessary victim to the area being a vacation resort area. Sorry to locals who are really peeved by that

All those in favor of keeping the random stop signs on 30A like those in Seaside, say AYE.

**robertsondavies** · 03-26-2010, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by John R

robertsondavies, you've been using a very broad brush with your use of they. Please don't presume to know my motivation(s). If I want quick convenience, I use 98. But I live here and require use of 30A daily, I know the perils of my decisions. I believe you don't live here. Is that correct?

ok, enlighten me. What is your specific motivation again why you can't have LSV's travel on the 2 mile stretch at Deer Lake state park on 30A, like the State has wisely allowed everywhere else south of 98?

Maybe its the case that you're not striving for a bit of extra convenience that speeding through that stretch provides - remind me what makes your argument distinct from the broad brush that was so dangerously wielded by me. LOL

What is your motivation?

please don't say "safety" willy nilly, because for example 'one time' you saw a 14 year old driving one. Unless you've got the goods to refute what 10 years of Actuaries from insurance companies empirically know about LSV's then go to your next reason please. We who support LSV' use expansion, would like to fully consider all arguments against it.

keep the dialogue going. I meant no disrespect by my use of the term "THEY" - really. I was categorizing unfairly perhaps - lets stick to the issues here (myself included) all.

1. Is 30A a cohesive resort area, or not?
2. Should the last couple miles of 30A be made LSV compatible by reducing the speed limit thereon from 45 to 35?

3. Should bikers, helmetless pedestrians and LSV's been banned from the HIGHWAY 30A altogether, reserving it to be the last bastion of speedy thoroughfare for construction trucks, delivery trucks, and heavy artillery?

**Geo** · 03-26-2010, 10:16 AM

Rdavies,
FTLOG, Highway 30a is a highway, road, street, etc.

It matters not what you semantically care to define it.

No one believes we should remove stop signs where they make sense.

This IS a safety issue.

I will gladly step forward and say that I personally don't want to slow down on the stretch of highway 30a that has a posted speed limit of 45mph so someone can ride their street legal golfcart or LSV on the highway.

This isn't a proSUV, gas guzzling, anti-environment rant.

**AndrewG** · 03-26-2010, 11:28 AM

There is an exponential decrease in deaths as speed limits decrease. By reducing the speeds on 30-A lives will be saved. What would Jesus do? You have to do the right thing and change the status quo.

**Will B** · 03-26-2010, 12:38 PM

I'm not entering the debate, but I am posting some info from the National Motorists Association web page that I ran across.
No, I don't know where they get their data.
No, I don't know if they are a lobby group.
No, I don't know if it's really accurate.

Q. Isn't slower always safer?
A. No, federal and state studies have consistently shown that the drivers most likely to get into accidents in traffic are those traveling significantly below the average speed. According to an Institute of Transportation Engineers Study, those driving 10 mph slower than the prevailing speed are six times as likely to be involved in an accident. That means that if the average speed on an interstate is 70 mph, the person traveling at 60 mph is far more likely to be involved in an accident than someone going 70 or even 80 mph.

Q. Don't higher speed limits cause more accidents and traffic fatalities?
A. No, if a speed limit is raised to actually reflect real travel speeds, the new higher limit will make the roads safer. When the majority of traffic is traveling at the same speed, traffic flow improves, and there are fewer accidents. Speed alone is rarely the cause of accidents. Differences in speed are the main problem. Reasonable speed limits help traffic to flow at a safer, more uniform pace.

The bold sections seemed very applicable whether they are referring to highways or surface streets.

Speed Limits - Information, Studies, Laws, Legislation

Y'all may, now, get back to the business of flogging this horse!

**Jesus Christ** · 03-26-2010, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by AndrewG

There is an exponential decrease in deaths as speed limits decrease. By reducing the speeds on 30-A lives will be saved. What would Jesus do? You have to do the right thing and change the status quo.

I'm not going to do a thing. This is so trivial while I'm dealing with the sick, indigent, and suffering. Please be a real Christian and invoke my name when appropriate.

**AndrewG** · 03-26-2010, 05:48 PM

Brazen man. You do the same thing with Mohammad?

**Jesus** · 03-26-2010, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by Jesus Christ

I'm not going to do a thing. This is so trivial while I'm dealing with the sick, indigent, and suffering. Please be a real Christian and invoke my name when appropriate.

Hey, Chris Cornell. I thought I got rid of you.

You registered your account a few days after mine. You are obviously copying my moves.

I already told you- the brightest stars in heaven and on earth are known by their first name. Think Elvis, Madonna, Cher, Beyonce. I am the real deal. You are a do-gooder and I appreciate that. But there's no room for both of us in this forum.

There is only one Kurt and there is only one Jesus.

Scram or I'm telling my dad.

P.S> Let me know if you want to meet for a glass of wine sometime.

**Jesus** · 03-26-2010, 07:50 PM

And for the record, I think you should leave it at 45MPH on that stretch unless something substantial is developed over there. I spent a lot of time in California. 30A has a lot of similariries to PCH. Both are highways and golfcarts shouldn't be driving on either except for the real slow parts that go through small towns.

Drive safely.

**LuciferSam** · 03-27-2010, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by Jesus

Hey, Chris Cornell. I thought I got rid of you.

You registered your account a few days after mine. You are obviously copying my moves.

I already told you- the brightest stars in heaven and on earth are known by their first name. Think Elvis, Madonna, Cher, Beyonce. I am the real deal. You are a do-gooder and I appreciate that. But there's no room for both of us in this forum.

There is only one Kurt and there is only one Jesus.

Scram or I'm telling my dad.

P.S> Let me know if you want to meet for a glass of wine sometime.

Interesting that JC has higher rep than you. I could change all that with two mouse clicks. This I shall ponder for with great power comes great responsibility.

**robertsondavies** · 03-28-2010, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by Geo

Rdavies,
FTLOG, Highway 30a is a highway, road, street, etc.

It matters not what you semantically care to define it.

No one believes we should remove stop signs where they make sense.

This IS a safety issue.

I will gladly step forward and say that I personally don't want to slow down on the stretch of highway 30a that has a posted speed limit of 45mph so someone can ride their street legal golfcart or LSV on the highway.

This isn't a proSUV, gas guzzling, anti-environment rant.

I wish you'd come out of the closet earlier on convenience sakes rant - beautiful stuff.

Yes, its a highway, sure. Of course its still a 'highway' although I think it s a special and unique one in some respects - perhaps you don't? I think stop signs in the middle of it are completely appropriate now, although I'm sure many disagreed with these extra stops in Seaside or Rosemary way back when. I assume you'd agree that it's still a "Highway" for the 85% of it that's ALREADY defined as 35 MPH - right? If so, then why is making it cohesively 35MPH or less going ot hurt your feelings about it being such a "highway"?? I guess we'll never know.

**robertsondavies** · 03-28-2010, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by singinchicken

I'm not entering the debate, but I am posting some info from the National Motorists Association web page that I ran across.
No, I don't know where they get their data.
No, I don't know if they are a lobby group.
No, I don't know if it's really accurate.

Q. Isn't slower always safer?
A. No, federal and state studies have consistently shown that the drivers most likely to get into accidents in traffic are those traveling significantly below the average speed. According to an Institute of Transportation Engineers Study, those driving 10 mph slower than the prevailing speed are six times as likely to be involved in an accident. That means that if the average speed on an interstate is 70 mph, the person traveling at 60 mph is far more likely to be involved in an accident than someone going 70 or even 80 mph.

Q. Don't higher speed limits cause more accidents and traffic fatalities?
A. No, if a speed limit is raised to actually reflect real travel speeds, the new higher limit will make the roads safer. When the majority of traffic is traveling at the same speed, traffic flow improves, and there are fewer accidents. Speed alone is rarely the cause of accidents. Differences in speed are the main problem. Reasonable speed limits help traffic to flow at a safer, more uniform pace.

The bold sections seemed very applicable whether they are referring to highways or surface streets.

Speed Limits - Information, Studies, Laws, Legislation

Y'all may, now, get back to the business of flogging this horse!

Speed differentials are a great point, and are valid point of discussion, especially on a highway with such differences in traffic patterns - How do we cope with the fact that the average speed through Seaside is 10MPH in the summer, when the posted limit is much higher? You slow down and go with the flow-

**Will B** · 03-29-2010, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by robertsondavies

...How do we cope with the fact that the average speed through Seaside is 10MPH in the summer, when the posted limit is much higher? You slow down and go with the flow-

I am sooooo with you on that one. I can't ever think of a time where 30A was a consideration if I had to get somewhere quickly. That's what 98 is for. I will say, though, that the 98 scenario is totally different for us on the west end of 30A than those on the east where the cut throughs stop at 395.

**robertsondavies** · 03-29-2010, 04:16 PM

Amen

**SWGB** · 03-29-2010, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by singinchicken

I am sooooo with you on that one. I can't ever think of a time where 30A was a consideration if I had to get somewhere quickly. That's what 98 is for. I will say, though, that the 98 scenario is totally different for us on the west end of 30A than those on the east where the cut throughs stop at 395.

We used to use 30A as a shortcut years ago when 98 was two laned and a parking lot during the summer.

**robertsondavies** · 03-29-2010, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by SWGB

We used to use 30A as a shortcut years ago when 98 was two laned and a parking lot during the summer.

amen! thanks for admitting its all about 1 minute of extra convenience.

umm. sorry if you live on Scenic 30A, you're going to have to leave a minute earlier in the future, in case you're stuck behind an LSV for 1 or 2 miles where you could have gone 45mPP ....

Like the above poster said, you're gonna have to find another route, or leave earlier (like 2 minutes).. let the violins play

**robertsondavies** · 03-29-2010, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by SWGB

We used to use 30A as a shortcut years ago when 98 was two laned and a parking lot during the summer.

hey swg-boy, they decided to 4-lane 98 instead of 30A. Would you have preferred they 4 laned 30 A instead? or perhaps you'd prefer an elevated freeway through 30A like through Detroit, Philadelphia etc. A case study in urban planning - yes.

Sorry dude, you're livingin the wrong place .. Slowing people down, with narrow streets, stop signs, limits, etc... tends to creates livable communities.

Maybe you should go and picket the godfather of New Urbanisn when he comes to town... let him know how important it is for you to get to your job 1 minute earlier - and that you don't have the extra minute to leave earlier, or take "U.S." highway 98.

**Douglas the Intrepid** · 03-29-2010, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by robertsondavies

amen! thanks for admitting its all about 1 minute of extra convenience.

umm. sorry if you live on Scenic 30A, you're going to have to leave a minute earlier in the future, in case you're stuck behind an LSV for 1 or 2 miles where you could have gone 45mPP ....

Like the above poster said, you're gonna have to find another route, or leave earlier (like 2 minutes).. let the violins play

Since they are NOT lowering the speed limit on 30a to 35mph, what the hell are you babbling about here? This thread is like a train wreck, it derailed when it struck that dead horse twenty miles back...

**SWGB** · 03-29-2010, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by robertsondavies

amen! thanks for admitting its all about 1 minute of extra convenience.

umm. sorry if you live on Scenic 30A, you're going to have to leave a minute earlier in the future, in case you're stuck behind an LSV for 1 or 2 miles where you could have gone 45mPP ....

Like the above poster said, you're gonna have to find another route, or leave earlier (like 2 minutes).. let the violins play

Originally Posted by robertsondavies

hey swg-boy, they decided to 4-lane 98 instead of 30A. Would you have preferred they 4 laned 30 A instead? or perhaps you'd prefer an elevated freeway through 30A like through Detroit, Philadelphia etc. A case study in urban planning - yes.

Sorry dude, you're livingin the wrong place .. Slowing people down, with narrow streets, stop signs, limits, etc... tends to creates livable communities.

Maybe you should go and picket the godfather of New Urbanisn when he comes to town... let him know how important it is for you to get to your job 1 minute earlier - and that you don't have the extra minute to leave earlier, or take "U.S." highway 98.

It's nice to see someone excited about their cause, however misguided, but did you actually read my post? It says very clearly that we used 30A as a short cut before they 4 laned Hwy 98. At that time 98 was a parking lot from one end to the other during the summer, you could slip down 30A and even if it were only 35mph the entire way you would still have come out way ahead.

**robertsondavies** · 03-29-2010, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by SWGB

It's nice to see someone excited about their cause, however misguided, but did you actually read my post? It says very clearly that we used 30A as a short cut before they 4 laned Hwy 98. At that time 98 was a parking lot from one end to the other during the summer, you could slip down 30A and even if it were only 35mph the entire way you would still have come out way ahead.

I did. You hate the resort feel of the area, that took off starting around 2000 and brought all the people, b/c you can't whisp down 30A now like you used to.... I get it. thanks for your viewpoint. Thanks for your honesty. You're after a speed limit cruise down 30A. I get it. I think its heading the other way, but maybe if a great depression really happens, you'll be able to wisk down 30A again only seeing tumbleweed.

**robertsondavies** · 03-29-2010, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by Douglas the Intrepid

Since they are NOT lowering the speed limit on 30a to 35mph, what the hell are you babbling about here? This thread is like a train wreck, it derailed when it struck that dead horse twenty miles back...

Would you please stop chiming in with your lame attempts to shut down a legitimate discussion.

**Douglas the Intrepid** · 03-29-2010, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by robertsondavies

Would you please stop chiming in with your lame attempts to shut down a legitimate discussion.

That was my first post on this thread, where exactly are my 'lame attempts' to shut it down? Your lucidity seems to be slipping. I will let you get back to your LSV flag waving then.

**robertsondavies** · 03-29-2010, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by Douglas the Intrepid

That was my first post on this thread, where exactly are my 'lame attempts' to shut it down? Your lucidity seems to be slipping. I will let you get back to your LSV flag waving then.

so long, and congrats on the great first post on this thread.
Judging by your list of friends, its not surprising you're coming down on their side of it..... grayt, good on you.... you're being a good soldier - now I would suggest you train your eyes on other threads that don't touch on Urban Planning, Community Design & Transportation Issues in South Walton - they're SUCH open and shut cases to you, Dougas the Emperor.

Too bad I had to be saucy here, b/c I sense you're probably a nice fella that likes to fit in with the crowd, whichever way they think that wind is blowing

**aggieb** · 03-29-2010, 07:59 PM

havin' fun, are we?

**SWGB** · 03-29-2010, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by robertsondavies

I did. You hate the resort feel of the area, that took off starting around 2000 and brought all the people, b/c you can't whisp down 30A now like you used to.... I get it. thanks for your viewpoint. Thanks for your honesty. You're after a speed limit cruise down 30A. I get it. I think its heading the other way, but maybe if a great depression really happens, you'll be able to wisk down 30A again only seeing tumbleweed.

I said we used to use it as a short cut. You are ASSuming the rest and living up to that age old definition.

Perhaps it would be best if you saddled up your ridiculous plastic cart and rode off into the sunset with nr-light side-caring in a hover round.

**Lynnie** · 03-29-2010, 08:48 PM

What is LSV, some kinda' new crime show? Why is traffic on Peachtree only 20MPH? Aggervatin'!

**Lake View Too** · 03-29-2010, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by Douglas the Intrepid

Since they are NOT lowering the speed limit on 30a to 35mph, what the hell are you babbling about here? This thread is like a train wreck, it derailed when it struck that dead horse twenty miles back...

This is probably the most succinct commentary on this whole thread. Please let the damn dead horse die!

**John R** · 03-29-2010, 09:29 PM

You will be quoted and told what you think. It is the way of this thread. All serious discussion ended pages ago.

**SurferGirl** · 03-29-2010, 09:56 PM

The cyclists aka "bicyclists", need to stay on the BIKE PATH. That is what what millions of dollars were spent for... people to ride their bicycles, whether you consider yourself a "professional" or not. However, if you want to get run over by drivers (which will probably be a tourist staring at something on Scenic 30a), then have at it and ride on the road. No, I cannot stand seeing spandex clad "cyclists" hogging the road when there is a BIKE PATH three feet away... more than angry, it makes me nervous that they are eventually going to get hit b/c a lot of people on 30a are tourists and are not paying attention. I'm a local so I'm always cautious of cyclists, but the next person from Wisconsin may not be. I honestly think if you ride your bike on the road and not the bike path that you are asking for it... nobody's fault but your own if you get hit.... sorry just my opinion.

**SurferGirl** · 03-29-2010, 10:03 PM

And one more thing... before a cyclist comes on here and blasts me for saying the above, please realize that we know that you don't ride on the bike path while on your bike b/c you get annoyed at all the slow tourista bicyclists,,.. and that is exactly how the thousands of cars that get stuck behind you on 30a feel when you are riding on the road.... and trust me you hold up a lot more traffic than you get held up if you used the bike path like you should.

**SWGB** · 03-29-2010, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by SurferGirl

The cyclists aka "bicyclists", need to stay on the BIKE PATH. That is what what millions of dollars were spent for... people to ride their bicycles, whether you consider yourself a "professional" or not. However, if you want to get run over by drivers (which will probably be a tourist staring at something on Scenic 30a), then have at it and ride on the road. No, I cannot stand seeing spandex clad "cyclists" hogging the road when there is a BIKE PATH three feet away... more than angry, it makes me nervous that they are eventually going to get hit b/c a lot of people on 30a are tourists and are not paying attention. I'm a local so I'm always cautious of cyclists, but the next person from Wisconsin may not be. I honestly think if you ride your bike on the road and not the bike path that you are asking for it... nobody's fault but your own if you get hit.... sorry just my opinion.

Originally Posted by SurferGirl

And one more thing... before a cyclist comes on here and blasts me for saying the above, please realize that we know that you don't ride on the bike path while on your bike b/c you get annoyed at all the slow tourista bicyclists,,.. and that is exactly how the thousands of cars that get stuck behind you on 30a feel when you are riding on the road.... and trust me you hold up a lot more traffic than you get held up if you used the bike path like you should.

This has nothing to do with cyclists. It's about LSV or Low Speed Vehicles. However robertsondavies will point out that you are somehow agreeing with us.

**SurferGirl** · 03-29-2010, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by SWGB

This has nothing to do with cyclists. It's about LSV or Low Speed Vehicles. However robertsondavies will point out that you are somehow agreeing with us.

Well... in my opinion... a bicycle on 30a is a low speed vehicle... they are constantly holding up traffic and do not go the speed limit therefore i consider them an lsv.... and yes i am very much in agreement with 99% of the people on here about lowering the speed limit... it's stupid but not as stupid as the repaving being done that 30a did not need.

**LuciferSam** · 03-29-2010, 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by Lynnie

What is LS-V, some kinda' new crime show? Why is traffic on Peachtree only 20MPH? Aggervatin'!

They named some lame-ass slow moving vehicle after me.-LS

**LuciferSam** · 03-29-2010, 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by SurferGirl

The cyclists aka "bicyclists", need to stay on the BIKE PATH. That is what what millions of dollars were spent for... people to ride their bicycles, whether you consider yourself a "professional" or not. However, if you want to get run over by drivers (which will probably be a tourist staring at something on Scenic 30a), then have at it and ride on the road. No, I cannot stand seeing spandex clad "cyclists" hogging the road when there is a BIKE PATH three feet away... more than angry, it makes me nervous that they are eventually going to get hit b/c a lot of people on 30a are tourists and are not paying attention. I'm a local so I'm always cautious of cyclists, but the next person from Wisconsin may not be. I honestly think if you ride your bike on the road and not the bike path that you are asking for it... nobody's fault but your own if you get hit.... sorry just my opinion.

In the name of Darwin keep the spandexers on 30a. Let natural selection do its job.