Lowering the speed limit on 30A?

[SGB]

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A SPEED BUMP ON 30A: As citizens strive to lower speed limit, bigger plans emerge
January 08, 2010 10:30 AM
By Matt Algarin

Will 45 be a thing of the past on 30A?

Friends of Scenic 30A and members of the public gathered on Jan. 4 to discuss lowering the speed limit on 30A to 35 mph for the entire 18.5 mile stretch. The change would let low-speed vehicles, like street-modified golf carts, share the roadway with cars.

Bill Freeze, Chairperson for the Friends, believes the change will have nothing but positive end results.

“These beaches have been voted as one of the 12 best places to see in 2010.” Freeze said. “We have noticed that we need to educate the tourists and the residents about what we have here in paradise.”

Freeze added that LSVs have to be registered and licensed, which will provide additional income for the county.

About two dozen supportive residents and industry experts gathered to hear the proposals made by the group.

In order for an electric cart or LSV to share the roadway with cars, the speed limit can be no greater than 35 mph. There are currently four miles of roadway on 30A where the speed limit is 45 mph.

In addition to allowing LSVs to traverse the roadway, supporters say the change would help to alleviate some of the traffic by encouraging motorists who are in a hurry to use the feeder roads that run north and south to get to their destinations.

Graham Fountain, chief of special operations for the Sheriff’s Office, clarified that this only pertains to electric carts, not golf carts.

“Because it looks like a duck, talks like a duck and quacks like a duck, but it’s a goose,” Fountain said while describing that anyone who is caught driving a gas-powered cart on 30A would be ticketed.

“The sheriff’s office will be taking a neutral position on the topic,” Fountain said of the speed-limit change. “We haven’t pulled traffic (data) to see how many crashes involved these types of vehicles.”

“We do have some concerns because 30A is a little atypical than the usual roads you may do this on,” Fountain added. “When the building starts up again on 30A you are going to have a lot more dump trucks and mixers going up and down the road.”

Tim Paul, who is a former district five commissioner and developer of Topsail Village on 30A, said changing the speed limit should be the first step.

“I think the whole idea is to have a complete system,” Pauls said. “You shouldn’t have to only be able to use your LSV on 30A. You should actually be able to make a useful trip with it.”

Tom Stein, the Director for the Friends of Scenic 30A, agreed.

Stein said he “has always had a lifetime interest in public transit and was a cable car grip man in San Francisco for four years.

“With my background in public transit and in addition to living here for the past 30 years or so watching the traffic load increase here on 30A,” Stein said, “it has led me to the conclusion that some kind of public transit needs to be established on 30A.”

Stein said that the time is imminent and that something has to happen now.

The Friends of Scenic 30A will be holding another public forum on the first Monday in February to discuss updates on traffic crashes and the price tag for redesigning 30A for a bike path and low speed vehicles.

[Zebraspots]

Redesigning it for a bike path? What exactly is the paved thing people currently ride bikes on?

If we lower the speed limit for golf carts it will be a disaster of epic proportions. Cannot believe they are even considering it.

[ray]

I agree thats a darn joke. we have a few people trying to control everything.lets do a check and make sure these"voting people" have no financial interest in the slower carts. is this a setup to swamp 30-a with carts? PLEASE TELL ME WHY CARTS ARE EVEN ALLOWED ON 30-A? THIS ISN'T PANAMA CITY.SO THEY WANT A FEW CARTS TO TAKE PRECEDENT OVER THOUSANDS OF CARS? GIVE ME A BREAK

[kurt]

Apparently on a full charge the low speed vehicles get up to about 25mph but a full charge doesn't last long and speed is slower. Since it was brought up that LSVs might snarl traffic they wanted to look into creating a separate path for them which would need to be larger than the current multi-use path.

[30A Skunkape]

Apparently on a full charge the low speed vehicles get up to about 25mph but a full charge doesn't last long and speed is slower. Since it was brought up that LSVs might snarl traffic they wanted to look into creating a separate path for them which would need to be larger than the current multi-use path.

[jodiFL]

Yea they will blend right in with all the delivery trucks, (UPS, sysco, produce companies etc.) not to mention the tourists that feel they HAVE to be in front of every car going the current speed limit and pass anything and every thing without regard to oncoming traffic.

[beasmiester]

We watch the traffic on the east end of 30A in the morning and evenings there's a ton of folks that don't abide by the 30 mph coming out of Rosemary. I'd be for more enforcement of the present limit and a consistant 25 or 30 the entire length of our Scenic Highway.

[30ashopper]

Do LSVs include mopeds? I know the tourists love them, but they've become an eye sore / noise nuisance on scenic 98.

[John R]

The majority of the golf carts I've seen on 30A have a line of cars behind them, and are full of kids that look like they have no restraints on. I'd hate to see a 6 year old on the pavement. No good will become of them, and there's no need to lower the speed limit anywhere on 30A.

[SWGB]

Half of the current golf carts, LSV's, or "group rascals" don't have tags anyway. How about a little enforcement on that first.

P.S. I'm not worried about someone's financial interest in selling them as much as someone who bought way off the beach and thinks this will increase rentals. It's a liability nightmare.

[cheesehead]

Lowering the speed would not be a good thing. Just this past week, there are still vehicles that can't do the legal posted speed. As many can attest to, it creates huge lines because there are still the "guarkers" that are inconsiderate. Things should be just left alone, and, I agree with enforcement of kids in golf carts hoding up traffic. And, the mopeds.

As a motorcyclist for some years now, I'm surprised there haven't been {?} accidents involving them, as, the rented mopeheads, do not require a cycle license.It's scary watching some ride down the road with no protective equipment.

[ShallowsNole]

Last time I checked, 30-A was a ROAD for CARS. Not electric carts, riding lawn mowers, horse & buggy, etc.

Perhaps I am totally out of touch, but I can picture no good reason for a golf cart to go east-west or viceversa on 30A. Cross the road to get to the other side, yes, but as a primary form of transportation?

Leave the cart-riding to Seaside, Sandestin, Rosemary, etc where it is safe enough and a good way to get to several attractions within the resort/community without cranking up the gas guzzler. Do not block a major east-west thoroughfare that people who are NOT on vacation have to travel to get to work, school, or - horrors - actually enjoy a day at the beach.

Disclaimer: It is Saturday, and therefore I do not represent the viewpoint of anyone but myself.

[Hop]

it seems like electric vehicles should be able to use the bike path with YIELD to pedestrian rules. i may be stepping in it here....but that seems more logical than making all of 30-A a bike path... imo.

[Andy A]

This is an idea formulated and promoted by a group interested only in making money, not in protecting the environment or anything else. 30A is a scenic highway, a road, not a cart, bike, pedestrian path of any kind. Most of it is now 35 mph and the area at the North end that is 45 mph should remain that way. Some of us live here and are not tourists any longer. My pet peeve with Grayton is the stupid speed bumps they have installed. Trips to the Red Bar and Shorty's would be more frequent if they weren't there.

[sunspotbaby]

LSV's, stay off the 4 miles of 30A that are 45 mph. duh.

[Jdarg]

it seems like electric vehicles should be able to use the bike path with YIELD to pedestrian rules. i may be stepping in it here....but that seems more logical than making all of 30-A a bike path... imo.

Considering that I am regularly almost run down by bikes, I don't relish the thought of irresponsible electric vehicle drivers mowing me down on the bike path. And I can't even imagine what a disaster they would be on a busy area of the bike path, like in Seagrove- that part of the bike path is already a really scary stretch.

[30ashopper]

Considering that I am regularly almost run down by bikes, I don't relish the thought of irresponsible electric vehicle drivers mowing me down on the bike path. And I can't even imagine what a disaster they would be on a busy area of the bike path, like in Seagrove- that part of the bike path is already a really scary stretch.

Driving those on the bike path is illegal isn't it? I've seen walton stop people for it I think. (I don't think they should be ticketed or fined heavily though, most tourists really don't know and there are few signs posted.)

[robertsondavies]

[QUOTE=ShallowsNole;637922]Do not block a major east-west thoroughfare QUOTE]

30A i a major thorough fare? umm... i think you have it confused with U.S. Highway 98, just to its north a couple miles. What's with the stiff opposition to having 30A be a resort/vacation area? Aren't you the guy that runs the agency that's supported by TAXES on said vacation stays?

What if your tax base vacation constituency supports this idea? Would you support it as well?

[sunspotbaby]

If there's a school on it, i would call it a major thoroughfare. 30A is not a resort. There are resorts on it, but it's not.

[robertsondavies]

Considering that I am regularly almost run down by bikes, I don't relish the thought of irresponsible electric vehicle drivers mowing me down on the bike path. And I can't even imagine what a disaster they would be on a busy area of the bike path, like in Seagrove- that part of the bike path is already a really scary stretch.

I didn't get the impression anyone wanted to legalize LEV's on the bike path. Congratulations on actually be a biker who uses the bike path. A lot of the near accidents I see on 30A are the result of the too cool for school bikers, who prefer the highway, over the multi-use path.

[robertsondavies]

LSV's, stay off the 4 miles of 30A that are 45 mph. duh.

Or, thought about differently, do the trucks really need to SPEED through those 4 miles of the 20 miles, at 45 miles per hour? not 35? 4 miles? I know, there is so much work to be done, so fast, and who cares about the tourists right? Work work work, fast, fast fast,...

[robertsondavies]

If there's a school on it, i would call it a major thoroughfare. 30A is not a resort. There are resorts on it, but it's not.

ok, wow. didn't know you felt like presence of schools, was a call for keeping higher speed limits in place. wow, and lol

"there are resorts on it, but its not".... Reminds me of 'depends on what your definition of is is"

[kurt]

30A i a major thorough fare? umm... i think you have it confused with U.S. Highway 98, just to its north a couple miles. What's with the stiff opposition to having 30A be a resort/vacation area? Aren't you the guy that runs the agency that's supported by TAXES on said vacation stays?

What if your tax base vacation constituency supports this idea? Would you support it as well?

Take it easy, she is replying as a resident of SoWal - no need to get pushy.

I agree with you that folks should slow down on 30A. But just as anywhere else on the planet people get caught up in day to day pressures and concerns. No need to poke them and make them more annoyed while driving near resorts with kids on the roads.

[kurt]

This is an idea formulated and promoted by a group interested only in making money, not in protecting the environment or anything else. 30A is a scenic highway, a road, not a cart, bike, pedestrian path of any kind. Most of it is now 35 mph and the area at the North end that is 45 mph should remain that way. Some of us live here and are not tourists any longer. My pet peeve with Grayton is the stupid speed bumps they have installed. Trips to the Red Bar and Shorty's would be more frequent if they weren't there.

If the speed humps in Grayton Beach keep you out then they are doing their job. In other words, if you feel the need to drive faster than 20 in Grayton then I'm sure residents would prefer you stay away. Even with the speed humps people seem able to get up to about 50 mph between them.

As the sign says, "slow down, you are here".

[sunspotbaby]

ok, wow. didn't know you felt like presence of schools, was a call for keeping higher speed limits in place. wow, and lol

"there are resorts on it, but its not".... Reminds me of 'depends on what your definition of is is"

I don't give 2 sh!ts what the speed limit is on 30-A...rarely travel it because it's full of idiotic morons that think the entire highway is a resort. If you want to ride your little carts on the highway, that's your business. I wouldn't want to be you when you're holding up 2 miles of traffic, WHATEVER the speed limit is. Carry on, and wear a helmet, you might need it

[miznotebook]

For people who want to go slow on 30-A and not get exercise, another alternative would be nonmotorized bicycle taxis on the bike path. Could add local color to the area and provide jobs for area residents. (I'm only half kidding.)

[scooterbug44]

I think a much better idea would be to promote the use of smaller vehicles (like Smart cars or Mini Coopers) that have to meet crash requirements and that cannot be mistaken for a golf cart.

30-A is a heavily traveled traffic artery and the high amount of (clueless or fancy-free) visitors makes this idea a very bad one IMO.

Yes, you can take 98 if speed is your major concern to get to Destin or PC or 331, but there are not enough alternate routes or N/S connectors to lower the speed limit and encourage even slower moving vehicles w/o causing major issues for many businesses, residents, and visitors.

Semis, oversize loads of building equipment and materials, garbage trucks, delivery trucks (furniture, UPS, Fed-Ex, food, beverage, gas, landscape), dump trucks, firetrucks, ambulances, and other large vehicles HAVE to use 30-A and they do NOT need to be sharing the road with golf carts!

And don't get me started on the horrific probability that they will frequently be driven by kids w/o licenses and be full of unrestrained little kids (which we all know will happen).

I am all for promoting alternate forms of transportation and improving 30-A and other roads to make them safer, but we need to be very aware of the practicalities of these proposals and the fact that one of the things that makes this area special is that it is a full-time COMMUNITY, not just a collection of resorts.

I predict that as the Boomers age and the economy improves (and yes, when the airport opens) we will see more and more full time residents living in the area and we need to plan our infrastructure with that in mind.

[Andy A]

If the speed humps in Grayton Beach keep you out then they are doing their job. In other words, if you feel the need to drive faster than 20 in Grayton then I'm sure residents would prefer you stay away. Even with the speed humps people seem able to get up to about 50 mph between them.

As the sign says, "slow down, you are here".

I am sure you are right about the 50 mph between them and, no I don't need to drive faster than 20 mph. I hate speed bumps anywhere as, as far as I concerned they not only insult my and other people's intelligence, they are hard on vehicles. IMO, they serve no useful purpose other than to make a few local residents feel they have done something to correct a situation that only applies to a minority of the driving public.

[kurt]

For people who want to go slow on 30-A and not get exercise, another alternative would be nonmotorized bicycle taxis on the bike path. Could add local color to the area and provide jobs for area residents. (I'm only half kidding.)

I believe rickshaws have been mentioned a few times. They might require foreign operators though

[scooterbug44]

I like the pedicabs like they have in Key West. Could be quite fun to have those going during season within some of the communities.

[miznotebook]

I believe rickshaws have been mentioned a few times. They might require foreign operators though

[Bluznbeach]

This is insane in so many ways I hardly know where to start. WHAT would the community gain by allowing electric carts on that road??!! Traffic jams, underage drivers, accidents, and a lot of frustration. It makes about as much sense as the infamous blue signs.

[SWGB]

Robertsondavies, do you own, work, or have any affiliation with a company that sells, rents, repairs, or conducts business with LSV's?

[joho]

One afternoon I witnessed a driver in a licensed electric cart have three cars pass it (on a solid Line) after picking up children from Van Butler Elementary. The area in which this happened was 35 mph.

It seemed a bit dangerous to me.

[Teresa]

I'm not sure what the best answer will be but I hope they find it in the end. whatever works - lower speed, speed bumps, and anything else it takes to keep everyone safe - do it. rules for mopeds and golf carts need to be established (on the road or on the path) and enforced.

lowering the speed on 30A won't hurt my feelings. there is absolutely no rush. but I am not sure I want to be driving on the same road with golf carts and mopeds.

tourists and others driving into Grayton have torn through the main street all the way to Red Bar - for years and years. stop signs, warning signs and speed bumps have helped a great deal. (the round traffic table put in several years ago - not sure what that was all about)... but we still see visitors fly through now and then - especially at night time. the residents of Grayton have taken every precaution to keep their children and everyone safe in their community,. I am thankful for that.

I think they made a mistake in paving the little adorable sandy roads in Grayton. the nice wide paving was just an invitation for fast driving cars!

[ray]

My question is who passed the law to allow electric carts and mopeds on 30-a?much of the beauty of 30-a is it won't become another pamama city. this past summer there were many kids speeding wrecklessly around 30-a. THE AREA OF 45 MPH NEAR GRAYTON IS MOSTLY STATE PARK WITH FEW HOMES AROUND. if they change this it is souley to appease the electric carts and TO PROBABLY FURTHER EXPAND THERE USE. my question again is of the people in power pushing for this do they have a vested financial interest? Is somebody who's pushing for this reduced speed limit about to unleash 100's of these annoying vehicles on 30-a?

[sunspotbaby]

Is somebody who's pushing for this reduced speed limit about to unleash 100's of these annoying vehicles on 30-a?

good question.

[scooterbug44]

All I know is that I have not been favorably impressed by the LVL's I have seen being used so far and REALLY don't want to see more of it~!

Yes, I could see them being great in a different place with different roads/geography/population etc. but not here.

I also think lowering the speed limit on 30A and filling it with slow moving traffic will funnel more people off the main road and onto residential side roads - where they are more likely to hit bicyclists, kids, pets, and other vehicles etc.

P.S. Add those damn rented mopeds being operated w/o helmets or a clue to that disgust list too. (People who own them and know how to ride them are welcome.)

[totally]

My question is who passed the law to allow electric carts and mopeds on 30-a?much of the beauty of 30-a is it won't become another pamama city. this past summer there were many kids speeding wrecklessly around 30-a. THE AREA OF 45 MPH NEAR GRAYTON IS MOSTLY STATE PARK WITH FEW HOMES AROUND. if they change this it is souley to appease the electric carts and TO PROBABLY FURTHER EXPAND THERE USE. my question again is of the people in power pushing for this do they have a vested financial interest? Is somebody who's pushing for this reduced speed limit about to unleash 100's of these annoying vehicles on 30-a?

State Statutes allows for LSV's to drive on roads that establish speed limits of 35mph or less.

[scooterbug44]

Does that mean they aren't currently allowed on 30-A because it has speed limits of more than 35?

I asked about that in another thread and was vehemently told they COULD drive them on it, but just in those areas that were 35 or lower (not that they go close to the speed limit or anything, which I think is a safety and traffic issue).

Either they aren't currently allowed (which would make my day) or they are - in which case why do they need to change the speed limits?

[totally]

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316.2122 Operation of a low-speed vehicle or mini truck on certain roadways.--The operation of a low-speed vehicle as defined in s. 320.01(42) or a mini truck as defined in s. 320.01(45) on any road as defined in s. 334.03(15) or (33) is authorized with the following restrictions:
(1) A low-speed vehicle or mini truck may be operated only on streets where the posted speed limit is 35 miles per hour or less. This does not prohibit a low-speed vehicle or mini truck from crossing a road or street at an intersection where the road or street has a posted speed limit of more than 35 miles per hour.
(2) A low-speed vehicle must be equipped with headlamps, stop lamps, turn signal lamps, taillamps, reflex reflectors, parking brakes, rearview mirrors, windshields, seat belts, and vehicle identification numbers.
(3) A low-speed vehicle or mini truck must be registered and insured in accordance with s. 320.02 and titled pursuant to chapter 319.
(4) Any person operating a low-speed vehicle or mini truck must have in his or her possession a valid driver's license.
(5) A county or municipality may prohibit the operation of low-speed vehicles or mini trucks on any road under its jurisdiction if the governing body of the county or municipality determines that such prohibition is necessary in the interest of safety. (6) The Department of Transportation may prohibit the operation of low-speed vehicles or mini trucks on any road under its jurisdiction if it determines that such prohibition is necessary in the interest of safety. History.--s. 1, ch. 99-163; s. 5, ch. 2009-183.

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FYI - A low speed vehicle is described by the State is as follows:

316.2122 Operation of a low-speed vehicle or mini truck on certain roadways.--The operation of a low-speed vehicle as defined in s. 320.01(42) or a mini truck as defined in s. 320.01(45) on any road as defined in s. 334.03(15) or (33) is authorized with the following restrictions:
(1) A low-speed vehicle or mini truck may be operated only on streets where the posted speed limit is 35 miles per hour or less. This does not prohibit a low-speed vehicle or mini truck from crossing a road or street at an intersection where the road or street has a posted speed limit of more than 35 miles per hour.
(2) A low-speed vehicle must be equipped with headlamps, stop lamps, turn signal lamps, taillamps, reflex reflectors, parking brakes, rearview mirrors, windshields, seat belts, and vehicle identification numbers.
(3) A low-speed vehicle or mini truck must be registered and insured in accordance with s. 320.02 and titled pursuant to chapter 319.
(4) Any person operating a low-speed vehicle or mini truck must have in his or her possession a valid driver's license.
(5) A county or municipality may prohibit the operation of low-speed vehicles or mini trucks on any road under its jurisdiction if the governing body of the county or municipality determines that such prohibition is necessary in the interest of safety. (6) The Department of Transportation may prohibit the operation of low-speed vehicles or mini trucks on any road under its jurisdiction if it determines that such prohibition is necessary in the interest of safety.

[scooterbug44]

So they are NOT currently supposed to drive down 30-A?

Someone (perhaps with a badge and siren) needs to tell them that.

[totally]

Currently, all LSV's that are legal can travel on any roads that have a posted speed limit of 35mph or less.

[scooterbug44]

But 30A has posted speed limits of 45 mph in places.

I think a better solution than reducing the 30A speed limit would be to make it possible for these vehicles to navigate Sowal without having to go on the major thoroughfares.

Think it would be a win-win as we would not then not have the "monkey see, monkey do" scenario of people trying to drive golf carts on 30-A and perhaps the idea of encountering many slower moving vehicles on side roads would keep people from turning off the main roads and barreling down the unpaved side roads.

[totally]

I agree! I am only providing the state statutes so citizens won't be confused!

[robertsondavies]

Robertsondavies, do you own, work, or have any affiliation with a company that sells, rents, repairs, or conducts business with LSV's?

No I do not, but I'd like to invest in one. Does anyone know of an LSV company I can buy stock in. I think LSV is the future, and people driving Tahoe's and Range ROver on 30a will be fading away with higher energy prices.

Of course, if you guys push for off shore drilling off FLorida's coast, perhaps you can keep energy prices low enuf, that the Tahoes and Rovers can keep rolling, without any real groundwell of demand for LSV's... I suppose the choice is yours really.

Is everyone aware that these LSV's are already allowed on 30-a? Do you all want to gain some headlines, and push back the progress Florida has already made in the LSV arena?

AP Seaside - Walton County, takes a step back in time, announcing ban on low energy consumption cars, on heavily industrialized 'thoroughfare' "30-A". County Commissioner, Buzz Buzzy explained the counties decision to roll back the LSV law for Walton County, by explainin that " you know there are schools on 30-a that need to be accessed at 45 miles an hour, and we there is no way we can have UPS trucks and cement trucks slowed down to 35 miles an hour, for portions of 30-A they were previously allowed to speed up from 35 to 45 on."

[robertsondavies]

Take it easy, she is replying as a resident of SoWal - no need to get pushy.

Damn it sorry Shallows, I didn't see the disclaimer at the bottom of your post (about the post being as a private citizen etc) - that you were not officially stating this as the tax authority.

Kurt, so you agree with Shallows on this? LSV's not to become allowed on the other 4 miles of 30-a? In a perfect world I'd like to see everyone walking, and biking etc... but to me, more LSV's mean less Toyota Land Cruisers... I am very surprised that it sounds like the majority of locals won't sacrifice 10 MPH in speed on 4 miles of 30-a, to support or encourage LSVs. I really don't have a dog in the hunt, I just think LSV like vehicles are what people need to be driving more of in this country, and I'd like to purchase one myself, if they were made more useful on 30a, by eliminating these little 45 MPH gaps. If I lived there, I might be more sensitive to speed limits being lowered, however small the stretch, but i don't think speed limits are really enforced or should be. If the road between camp creek and watersound is empty in the off season, but the sign now says 35 MPH max,,,, I say, go 45.

[SWGB]

Interesting how we've gone from LSV=Low speed vehicle to SGMAGIF30A=super green machine and great idea for 30A.

The point is that if you can't live your life without a golf cart of some sort then there are already communities available to you. I understand that San Destin has a very large sales staff.

[kingfishn]

Now...DON'T get me wrong...but, 'we've'' been 'Sharing the Road' with Spandex Breakin' Away Folks for years...not to mention BCC road graders, 'mini=pads' , er peds...stop sign runners, Waste Management (can I say that) littering garbage trucks, frogs, turtles, snakes, 'possums, lions and tigers and bears...oh, my...for years...So, how's a few Gulf Snarks gonna bother us.

Huh?...oh, GOLF CARTS...nevvvvverminnnd...

[robertsondavies]

Interesting how we've gone from LSV=Low speed vehicle to SGMAGIF30A=super green machine and great idea for 30A.

The point is that if you can't live your life without a golf cart of some sort then there are already communities available to you. I understand that San Destin has a very large sales staff.

So you doubt the environmental impact of LSV's vs. SUV's?? If the inconvenience of allowing a couple more miles of 30a to be traversed by bonafide, qualified LSV's trumps your need for speed, then great. You're that intolerant of other iews, that those who disagree need to move to Sandestin??? This is the most intolerant thing I've ever seen you post. Basically, get out if you don't like my SUV spewing views.
SWGB, do you also proposing reversing LSV laws as they currently stand? Should we also have an additional by law to keep cyclists the hell off the "major 30 -A thoroughfare"? Perhaps Florida's Legislature could Re-Designate 30A as a major industrialized thoroughfare... those who disagree need not apply. Kicking out LSV's completely can speed up travel times to the new Wal - Mart by 35 seconds or more on occasion.