07-16-2008, 07:09 PM #2
The choice is easy in the Superintendent's race. The choice is easy for me. Carlene Anderson.
The school board is used to working with her, and we will only have 1 new school board member (as I imagine Mark Davis will and should be re-elected), and if Robert Nelson wins the other board position, then he has been to so many school board meetings and has been uber-involved with the school system over the years to jump right in and work with her. I guess what I am trying to say that I would see the start of the year as fairly seamless on both sides if Carlene gets re-elected- no down time for a learning curve.
I have only heard teachers speak well of her south of the bay, our test scores went up, we have some schools making great improvements, and overall our district seems to be improving - so why rock the boat? I say give her more years to show us what she can do. A change here would just slow up progress at this point, IMO. There is no good reason to replace her at this time.
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07-16-2008, 07:32 PM #3
I trust Jdarg. She is one of the most involved and knowledgeable school parents in SoWal.
Still, I would like to see Carlene Anderson on this forum. This is one of the best ways to connect with voters and school parents. Someone who knows her should send her a link. Jdarg?
07-16-2008, 07:38 PM #4
This one is not complicated at all for those of use who have lived here since day one. Carlene is a lifelong educator and her record speaks for her.
Mrs. Porter got mad at the way her son was handled after he participated in vandalism of school property, so she ran as an act of vengence.
Don't waste anymore of your time on this one, you can move on to the other races for research.
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07-16-2008, 07:40 PM #5
Thanks 5thGen - I hope to see more input from you as a longtime local I bet you have the skinny.
07-16-2008, 08:04 PM #6
I also want to tell you who the good guys in county government as we continue discussions. Don't want to flood the air waves in one night.
07-16-2008, 11:00 PM #7
I have no idea what exactly the "issues" are because I don't have kids in school, but I will say that I've heard from multiple, unrelated people about fear of retribution for opposing Ms. Anderson on nearly anything. The first time I heard it I blew it off as one persons problem, but now that I've heard it on several occasions from people who don't run in the same circles, I have to consider that there's some truth to it. Not saying that the opposition is "better" (again, I don't know the issues here), but you have to wonder when there's this much tension about one person.CK
07-17-2008, 07:55 AM #8
I bet there is not a school system in the country that has a superintendent that every single parent and employee agrees with 100% of the time.
07-17-2008, 08:03 AM #9
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07-17-2008, 08:21 AM #10
07-17-2008, 08:26 AM #11
I think in a perfect world, yes it would be great to see Ms. Anderson on here too, but she is still running a school district during this campaign season. Remember it is against all rules to campaign during work hours so her time is very limited, remember she is a 12 month employee and doesn't have summers off like others in the race.
07-17-2008, 11:17 AM #12
For me, the choice for superintendent is very, very clear. During Carlene Anderson's four years as superintendent, we have witnessed our school district evolve into one of the top 5 performing districts in the state of Florida. We have come a long way in a short amount of time. My thoughts are, that we will become number one in the state in the very near future. With that being said, let's give Ms. Anderson the opportunity to continue being our superintendent.
07-17-2008, 12:17 PM #13
Like, I said, I don't know what the issues are... I don't know what these things are that someone would oppose that would in turn cause them to fear their job security. I never spoke to employees, just parents who knew employees. I do know that many people are concerned about the way she handles homeschooling families and like it or not, that's part of her job. The point is, I think someone needs to get to the bottom of these issues because they're definitely there, it just seems like no one is willing to talk, all for the same reasons.CK
07-17-2008, 12:37 PM #14
07-17-2008, 01:25 PM #15
Yes, improvements can always be made. I just don't think Carlene Anderson needs to be replaced. For several reasons, including the ones mentioned.
07-17-2008, 04:48 PM #16
07-18-2008, 11:34 AM #17
Although her methods have been questioned she has put quality principals in our school. This has reflected in the grades of those schools. Since my mother is one, I well know teachers can be a honory bunch sometimes. She has patted herself on the back a few time, but its nothing don gates didn't do. At least she is not running for senate.
07-18-2008, 08:41 PM #18
no on anderson
Ever since anderson was placed into office she has acted like royalty. She has never ever returned a single phone call to my home. Granted I've called for her assistance only five or six times over the years but is there a minimum before you get treated with respect? I have heard the same complaint from others. Still, others say she returns calls. I have narrowed it down to her refusing to return calls on matters relating to each particular issue. if its an issue the parent wants action on something she agrees with then the call has been made. If its over a decision she has made, or lack thereof, then its no return call. From calls to two personal noted left for her at her office my family has been shown no respect. At least have SOMEONE make a return call.
Anderson? Nope! And stop with the school grading people! Get over that political fodder! FCAT is a joke and holds no substance but gives people like anderson a flag to waive.
Hey look, lower the standards and any school will accell. Kids graduate today that cant write. They cant understand how to balance a checkbook or read a telephone bill or understand a job application. Overall our entire school system is weak. Its not Andersons fault by any means. But just meeting a minimum standard is no achievement. Im leaning towards porter who has her sights on a better future and higher goals for our children.
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07-18-2008, 08:51 PM #19
Dear Friend, I get that you don't like her, and I am the first to admit I don't know as much as I should about the school district. However, the consensus is that the schools have improved over the last four years and the principal at South Walton is a good man who is doing great things. So what is the other candidate going to do to make things even better? I want to be fair and have not made my mind up, but someone is going to have to give me a better reason than she "acts like royalty" pretty darn't quick.
07-19-2008, 09:52 AM #20
In regards to her acting like royalty I have never found that to be true. From reading her bio she passed out the other night at the Emerald Coast Realtor’s Association Forum I see she worked her way up through the ranks beginning as a teachers' aid to where she is now. If you disagree with the school grading system and FCAT, call Tallahassee, they created it!! Agree with FCAT or not, our district seems to look good statewide. Based on Ms. Hutchinson’s own words from the Emerald Coast Realtor's Association forum the other night her platform to improve the WCSD is to have an open door policy, return phone calls, and work like a "team". Those are management techniques, not educational strategies, so if you want an educator with strong management skills vote for Anderson, if you want a Secretary vote for Hutchinson.
07-19-2008, 03:37 PM #21
I observed a teacher using a few words towards three students in front of freeport high last year. I cant say I blame her but, IM not a teacher. Teachers should use more restraint under any circumstances. When I phoned the principle I was advised they were aware of the problem but tenure carries more weight and not to hold my breath. At last! Somone honest!!!!
In regards to andersons employment history, so what. its common place to see people climb a ladder during a carreer. I encourage everyone to do that if that is their goal.
And yes I completely disagree with the school grading system. Spending week after week preparing students for a test that grades the school is a jaded grading system. anderson acts as if she is responsible for the "a" school ratings. As I said before, she didnt design it but she sure enjoys the ride.
Now, your comment on Hutchinsons promise of an open door policy, to return phone calls and work like a team. You think those goals are secretary qualities. Then you relate that these are management techinques and not educational strategies. Anderson has every opportunity to advertise. Where is she? and when she does, will people verify and validate her claims? Not as long as we have a-rated skools!
Well, I remember anderson saying these very same things when she ran.
A-school based on jaded scoring? Not returnng calls? Childrens health ignored? Cussing teachers?
All provable? Unfortunately not. Was I the only to experience this? I dont think so. Could she have delegated responsibility? Of course! Is she known for that among her peers? Nope.
Re elected? Most probably. My vote? No.
Last edited by Seeker1; 07-19-2008 at 03:42 PM.Standing in the middle of the political road will only get you run over.
07-21-2008, 12:11 PM #22
Seeker, I thought you disliked her, I really think you hate her no matter what she has done. There are 1100 people that work for the school district. Could you keep that many people in check all the time? Maybe you could. I know I would not be able too. I share your views on FCAT, but as a former poster said earlier call your governor. Tallahassee sets these rules not Mrs. Anderson.
07-21-2008, 12:20 PM #23
The parents I have talked to tell me they have never had a problem communicating with Carlene Anderson or her office- phone calls have been returned, meetings were scheduled, etc.
I have noticed on the school level that parents who are firm, persistent and pleasant get faster results when they have an issue than parents who charge in screaming and demanding. I am sure this is true at the superintendent's level as well. The 'anecdotal" aspect of parent satisfaction with a school and school system makes it hard to measure the actual satisfaction level of the parents - disgruntled people always have stories (their side) and satisfied people are not so vocal.
07-24-2008, 12:23 AM #24
In response to the growth in our schools over the past 4 years....this is because of the many mandates from the state which require our children to be bombarded with difficult material......our parents, students, teachers and aides are responsible for this growth. They are the ones who work each and every day - not someone who is sitting in an office.
07-24-2008, 11:36 AM #25
Let me just say that I have been in the county since my daughter was 2 years old and was very involved in the school system during most of those years. Long before had schools in SoWal other than Bay Elem., the children had to ride the "big cheese" across the bay every day. No one was talking about schools "across the bay." The middle school at that time was the "worst." I had to send my child to a private school so she could get a good education. I said all that to say this about our Superintendent Carlene Anderson, she "Rocks!" She has really brought our schools along way and is the absolute best Superintendent we have had in this county in the 26 years I have been here.
Those people that are complaining about her or are afraid for their jobs are probably not doing their job to the best of their abilities and Carlene will not put up with anything less. These children are our future and just be glad that the Walton County School System has someone of her caliber that is truly passionate about the education of our children. And be thankful that you do not have to spend your hard earned money on a private school.
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07-27-2008, 06:27 PM #28
In all these years I never............lol. Robert if only you knew, youd laugh too.
You may have earned my family support.
I can give an rats butt if she is respected and liked by her peers and subordinates. Lets get something going for these kids. If not, then we have all failed them.
FCAT reflects something is failing. Do we have to wait for the fcat again to be aware of this? If Anderson is to be relected, are we destined for the same? Or will she be prompted to try something new and innovative to prepare these kids for a future?
Anderson.......you have a choice to make for these kids......
Prepare them to make history, or witness it. As the scholastic leader its your responsibility too.Standing in the middle of the political road will only get you run over.
07-27-2008, 06:32 PM #29
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07-27-2008, 08:49 PM #31
I agree with your statements Jenny. And I was not being critical of Mrs. Anderson. My comments were directed at the statement that I thought said we were 5th in the State academically. I just wanted to clarify exactly what that ranking was.
If we are going to continue on school performance I think we need to start another thread. I would love to discuss solutions that people think may work, not really a whole lot accomplished in dwelling on the past, we need to look to the opportunities of the future.
07-27-2008, 08:57 PM #32
I think there has been great strides made in bringing up the "bottom" 25%, and now we do have to work on the "top" 25%. But let's hold this FCAT convo until after the election. Do I get my own special chair at school board meetings?
07-27-2008, 09:18 PM #33
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07-30-2008, 03:39 PM #34
What about the FHS principal? What an incredible job he did, only to get demoted and his salary cut. Same thing happened to Paxton's principal last year. See Walton Sun July 26.
07-30-2008, 09:29 PM #35
07-31-2008, 08:26 AM #36
COPIED FROM ANOTHER POST ON ANOTHER THREAD...
School Principals serve at the pleasure of the Superintendent (as do all administators). The Board can only reject a Superintendent's recommendation for a principal's job under extemely limited circumstances. School Boards have tried to widen their authority in this area, see Bay County and Bay High School, but the courts have continually limited the authority of the board. Once recommended the Board can only reject a nominee if the nominee does not have the necessary qualifications for the position, the position is not funded, or the position was not created by the Board. And, the Board can reject a nominee if the person has committed one of the seven deadly sins involving moral turpitude. A real quirk in the system is that the administrators only serve under a one year contract. If the Superintendent chooses to not recommend an administrator back at the end of that year, then they have no job. If they go back to the classroom, they lose any tenure they might have. This lack of job security is part of the reason why so few people apply for these jobs. I have floated the idea of a two or three year contract, but, have not had any positive response. M
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07-31-2008, 12:13 PM #37
Thanks for the info. I also heard a reading coach was demoted even though her schools received As. I guess I am having a hard time understanding what others are saying about employees not having to fear for their jobs.
Aren't the teachers unionized?
If so, I find it hard to believe people who are supposedly doing a great job are being demoted and getting pay cuts without any repurcussions.
07-31-2008, 03:13 PM #39
I understand that there are two unions in the Walton County school district. One is instructional and one is non-instructional. If employees were treated unfairly the unions would certainly be protecting them. Those who are in fear must doing something wrong if the unions are not out fighting the battle for them.
06-29-2012, 07:53 PM #40
you humor me with this statement pffft
06-29-2012, 08:06 PM #41
Exactly! Thank you for saying that!
06-29-2012, 08:09 PM #42
Does anyone care how our schools look on the National Level outside of FCAT?
06-29-2012, 08:14 PM #43
It is incredibly taxing to obtain a position at the district level. People who make it are new and do not have a contract usually spend their time working toward that contract position. Union? You mean FCAT? LOL
06-29-2012, 08:15 PM #44
Want to take on that task? Go Undercover reporting :)
06-29-2012, 08:35 PM #45
If we only had a small handful of people that had issues with Carlene's lack of service, then your point might be well taken. Your last sentence is dead on, but let's talk about those issues. How much is Carlene paying you to "get the word out"? Whose job depends on your satisfaction of this candidate over the others? How exactly will Carlene treat your family/your student when the election is over?
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06-29-2012, 11:25 PM #46
Playing4possum, can you please clarify your comments? Do they relate to any specific posts? As posted, they make absolutely zero sense. Thank you.
I have had a mostly good experience working with Carlene Anderson. I am also looking at the credentials of Ms. Ragle (sp? it is late).
06-30-2012, 03:42 PM #47
This thread was originally started in 2008....
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