Surprise. The IPCC read it in a magazine article 8 years before their report was made and just included the conclusion in their 'report'.
There's just not much real science behind the AGW hucksters...
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A WARNING that climate change will melt most of the Himalayan glaciers by 2035 is likely to be retracted after a series of scientific blunders by the United Nations body that issued it.
Two years ago the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) issued a benchmark report that was claimed to incorporate the latest and most detailed research into the impact of global warming. A central claim was the world's glaciers were melting so fast that those in the Himalayas could vanish by 2035.
In the past few days the scientists behind the warning have admitted that it was based on a news story in the New Scientist, a popular science journal, published eight years before the IPCC's 2007 report.
It has also emerged that the New Scientist report was itself based on a short telephone interview with Syed Hasnain, a little-known Indian scientist then based at Jawaharlal Nehru University in Delhi.
Hasnain has since admitted that the claim was "speculation" and was not supported by any formal research.
(Emphasis added by me.)
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However, glaciologists find such figures inherently ludicrous, pointing out that most Himalayan glaciers are hundreds of feet thick and could not melt fast enough to vanish by 2035 unless there was a huge global temperature rise. The maximum rate of decline in thickness seen in glaciers at the moment is 2-3 feet a year and most are far lower.........so the glaciers are melting
However, glaciologists find such figures inherently ludicrous, pointing out that most Himalayan glaciers are hundreds of feet thick and could not melt fast enough to vanish by 2035 unless there was a huge global temperature rise. The maximum rate of decline in thickness seen in glaciers at the moment is 2-3 feet a year and most are far lower.........so the glaciers are melting
Some are melting, some are growing. How do you account for that? I think the science is imperfect, so we shouldn't be making any rash decisions.
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Some are melting, some are growing. How do you account for that? I think the science is imperfect, so we shouldn't be making any rash decisions.
Good point savvy 30A debater,
I always thought that myself. I would like to examine scientific reports myself and see what they're based on instead of just wolfin down what somebody says.
Hello everybody else on the thread, I can't comment on what Ya'll said cause I only allow my brain so many minutes in a day to think
Some are melting, some are growing. How do you account for that?
I'm still trying to figure out how presenting as fact that they will all be gone (ie Melted) in 35 years with absolutely no scientific research to back it up is just an oops that should be overlooked.
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Some are melting, some are growing. How do you account for that?
I'm still trying to figure out how presenting as fact that they will all be gone (ie Melted) in 35 years with absolutely no scientific research to back it up is just an oops that should be overlooked.
I guess its all a part of the 'settled science' and 'consensus' about AGW.
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Throughout much of the Tibetan Plateau, high-altitude glaciers are dwindling in the face of rising temperatures.
I don't know much about climate science but I know something about the scientific process. It is a back and forth. New data is gathered and theories are adjusted. The climate of the earth is massively complex.
Something tells me that people who feel the need to create a target out of some public figures to throw stones at, and call people "warmers" and such are not thoroughly familiar with deep thought. Be assured that anyone creating a website like the last one you linked to filled with articles like "Scientists Are Pawns, Politicians Are Evil, It Is All A Hoax", might also be trying to sell you something.
To summarize: Thousands of scientists work together and in opposition to further knowledge in this particular field. Knowledge that grows and changes every day. I question the motives and intelligence of any layman who is convinced one way or the other.
AZStreak - who are you and where did you come from with your first 2 posts? Are you a spammer or do you have a connection to the SoWal community?
There's growth in some areas and melting in others. I believe Alaska has seen growth recently, and there are other areas if I remember the news reports right. This doesn't prove man isn't changing his environment - for example glaciers might be growing in areas where climate change is increasing precipitation. Climates change, industrialization may be part of current changes, or maybe it isn’t? I think the jury is still out. To claim we must do something drastic to get back to some sort of unattainable steady state makes little sense to me. (I also tend to put a lot of ‘faith’ in nature and its ability to self correct.) This whole subject has also been polluted by all the scandals in the scientific community lately revolving around faked data, politics, and money. Honestly I don't know what to think or who to trust.
Besides, I really dig the movie Water World.
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