Polanski, a view into the liberal mindset

fisher · 09-30-2009, 05:41 PM

Over 100 In Film Community Sign Polanski Petition - indieWIRE

AFP is reporting that a grand assembly of filmmakers, actors and producers from around the world have signed a petition urging the release of director Roman Polanski, who was arrested Sunday in Switzerland on a warrant for a 1977 underage sex case in the United States. Woody Allen, Alejandro Gonzalez Inarritu, Martin Scorcese, David Lynch, Wong Kar Wai, Harmony Korine, Stephen Frears, Alexander Payne, Michael Mann, Wim Wenders, Tilda Swinton, Julian Schnabel, and Pedro Almodovar are among the 100 and counting film industry figures who have signed the petition, coordinated from France by the SACD, an organization which represents performance and visual artists.

http://www.vachss.com/mission/roman_polanski.html

Originally published in The Washington Post, March 13, 1977

LOS ANGELES, March 12, 1977 — Polish film director Roman Polanski, widower of murdered actress Sharon Tate, was free on bond today on charges of luring a 13-year-old girl to the home of Jack Nicholson under the pretext of photographing her, then drugging and raping her.

Polanski, 43, was arrested by police to Beverly Wilshire Hotel Friday night following the incident Thursday night at Nicholson's Bel Air home.

In addition to the rape charges, Polanski also was booked on suspicion of sodomy, child molestation and furnishing dangerous drugs to a minor. He was released on $2,500 bond pending his arraignment March 18.

Nicholson was reportedly out of town at the time. A spokesman for the district attorney's office told reporters that Polanski recently met the girl's mother and arranged for the girl to pose for some photographs for the French edition of Vogue magazine.

He said Polanski took some pictures at a first photographic session two weeks ago, and among these pictures was one of the girl nude from the waist up.

He said the mother became angry when she saw the picture and questioned her daughter when she returned home from the second photographic session Thursday night. Officers said the girl told her mother that Polanski had given her a tablet of the powerful tranquilizing drug Quaalude.

The director then raped the girl and forced her to commit various sex acts with him, police said.

Polanski made no public comment on his arrest. He surrendered peacefully when he was taken into custody at the hotel.

So, now a veritable potpourri of left wingers are demanding the release of Polanski who plead guilty to charges of unlawful sex with a 13 year old.

He should be locked away forever. How can these libs say its okay to let a pedophile (he plead guilty) off the hook regardless of how long ago it happened?

This kind of thinking is where you go once you head down the path of liberalism.

SWGB · 09-30-2009, 05:48 PM

Wow, do you just get home and post directly from the Drudge report?

mtlinscomb · 09-30-2009, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SWGB

Wow, do you just get home and post directly from the Drudge report?

sounds to me like a fellow lib wished it hadn't been posted. does the source of the information change the disgusting nature and mindset of these people of influence? but what the hell, i'm sure they are entitled to whatever foul stance they have on pedaphelia and rape since they aren't racists

scooterbug44 · 09-30-2009, 06:00 PM

Wow, I am so out of the loop - none of the "liberals" I know condone rape, underage sex, or pedophiles.

In fact they tend to be much more outspoken about the issue than many conservative people and institutions.

P.S. I am absolutely shocked that Woody Allen (you know the guy who had sex with and then married his stepdaughter) is supporting pervy Polanski.

AlphaCrab · 09-30-2009, 06:02 PM

Not sure I understand. The inner mental workings of the mind of director Roman Polanski is directly synonomous of every liberal's thought patterns? His sin has stained all Liberals and progressive causes, permanently?

That is like saying Palin: A View into the Conservative Mindset. (...and William F Buckley would roll over in his grave, amongst others).

Methinks you generalize way too much. I am new here, but you seem to be one of the folks that creates political threads, not for the purpose of reasonable discussion, but to purposefully promote non-discussion and more disharmony over an issue, so you can shore up your small, shallow, intellectual base. You create threads to satisfy some type of inner isolation or repression, no?

Rita · 09-30-2009, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaCrab

Not sure I understand. The inner mental workings of the mind of director Roman Polanski is synonomous of every liberal's thought patterns? His sin has stained all liberals and progressive causes, permanently?

That is like saying Palin: A View into the Conservative Mindset. (...and William F Buckley would roll over in his grave, amongst others).

Methinks you generalize way too much. I am new here, but you seem to be one of the folks that creatives political threads, not for the purpose of reasonable discussion, but to purposefully promote non-discussion and more disharmony over an issue so you can shore up your small, shallow, intellectual base. You create threads to satisfy some type of inner isolation or repression, no?

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And just who do you think you are AlphaCrab, trying to inject logic into another flamin' thread?

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mtlinscomb · 09-30-2009, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlphaCrab

Not sure I understand. The inner mental workings of the mind of director Roman Polanski is directly synonomous of every liberal's thought patterns? His sin has stained all Liberals and progressive causes, permanently?

That is like saying Palin: A View into the Conservative Mindset. (...and William F Buckley would roll over in his grave, amongst others).

Methinks you generalize way too much. I am new here, but you seem to be one of the folks that creatives political threads, not for the purpose of reasonable discussion, but to purposefully promote non-discussion and more disharmony over an issue so you can shore up your small, shallow, intellectual base. You create threads to satisfy some type of inner isolation or repression, no?

my use of the word "they" was not directed at all libs. it was directed at the 100 folks on the petition. i should have chosen my words more clearly as that wasn't the point i was making. do you not see anything wrong with this petition?

Lynnie · 09-30-2009, 06:31 PM

What I find most interesting in this is the article of arrest by Washington Post written in 1977: '...furnishing dangerous drugs'; and, 'He was released on $2,500 bond pending his arraignment March 18.'

Next interesting is that France never arrested and extricated him, yet Switzerland has.......and, he admitted to the 'affair' many years ago.

Not surprising: Woody Allen signing the petition......hello? Didn't he have sex with his daughter? Yes, adopted, but his daughter nonetheless. Next not surprising is that the petition originated from France.

Big question: Will he now serve his term from 1977? Would the sentence on sex with a minor be lengthier today?

To Whoopi Goldberg, I ask..... What the hell is 'rape rape?'

fisher · 09-30-2009, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlphaCrab

Not sure I understand. The inner mental workings of the mind of director Roman Polanski is directly synonomous of every liberal's thought patterns? His sin has stained all Liberals and progressive causes, permanently?

That is like saying Palin: A View into the Conservative Mindset. (...and William F Buckley would roll over in his grave, amongst others).

Methinks you generalize way too much. I am new here, but you seem to be one of the folks that creates political threads, not for the purpose of reasonable discussion, but to purposefully promote non-discussion and more disharmony over an issue, so you can shore up your small, shallow, intellectual base. You create threads to satisfy some type of inner isolation or repression, no?

Methinks you didn't read my post.

I'm not talking about the mindset of Polanski.

I was talking about the mindset of the liberal crowd of influencers in Hollyweird that signed a petition to free Polanski the child molester after finally being arrested for a horrific crime he committed.

The Polanski issue is not an obscure news story. It's about a 40 something year old pedophile (who happens to be a famous director) that drugged and sodomized a 13 year old girl. It's about a horrific crime and a person that ran from the law in order to escape punishment for a crime he admitted to.

I haven't noticed you objecting to rabblerousing posts by some of your liberal buds that are based on shallow intellectual assumptions and very flawed data. What's up with that?

Tootsie · 09-30-2009, 08:20 PM

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Option 3!!!

fisher · 09-30-2009, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by scooterbug44

Wow, I am so out of the loop - none of the "liberals" I know condone rape, underage sex, or pedophiles.

In fact they tend to be much more outspoken about the issue than many conservative people and institutions.

P.S. I am absolutely shocked that Woody Allen (you know the guy who had sex with and then married his stepdaughter) is supporting pervy Polanski.

Sorry, no comparison.

The libs you know probably don't have nearly the influence on American culture that folks like Woody Allen, David Lynch, Martin Scorcesse, etc. do.

I'm most concerned with the libs that actually have an influence on American culture and can gain an audience very quickly. If 100 of your lib friends signed a petition to put Polanski away, would they get any media coverage? Don't think so. These guys got TONS of media coverage to free the pedophile.

Bob · 09-30-2009, 08:26 PM

liberal,libnuts,wingnuts,name callers,

30ashopper · 09-30-2009, 10:16 PM

How could all these hollywood stars actually come out in support of this man? I just don't get it.

poppy · 10-01-2009, 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fisher

Over 100 In Film Community Sign Polanski Petition - indieWIRE

AFP is reporting that a grand assembly of filmmakers, actors and producers from around the world have signed a petition urging the release of director Roman Polanski, who was arrested Sunday in Switzerland on a warrant for a 1977 underage sex case in the United States. Woody Allen, Alejandro Gonzalez Inarritu, Martin Scorcese, David Lynch, Wong Kar Wai, Harmony Korine, Stephen Frears, Alexander Payne, Michael Mann, Wim Wenders, Tilda Swinton, Julian Schnabel, and Pedro Almodovar are among the 100 and counting film industry figures who have signed the petition, coordinated from France by the SACD, an organization which represents performance and visual artists.

Roman Polanski Media Reports Archive: The Zero 5.0laf - The Official Website of Andrew Vachss

Originally published in The Washington Post, March 13, 1977

LOS ANGELES, March 12, 1977 — Polish film director Roman Polanski, widower of murdered actress Sharon Tate, was free on bond today on charges of luring a 13-year-old girl to the home of Jack Nicholson under the pretext of photographing her, then drugging and raping her.

Polanski, 43, was arrested by police to Beverly Wilshire Hotel Friday night following the incident Thursday night at Nicholson's Bel Air home.

In addition to the rape charges, Polanski also was booked on suspicion of sodomy, child molestation and furnishing dangerous drugs to a minor. He was released on $2,500 bond pending his arraignment March 18.

Nicholson was reportedly out of town at the time. A spokesman for the district attorney's office told reporters that Polanski recently met the girl's mother and arranged for the girl to pose for some photographs for the French edition of Vogue magazine.

He said Polanski took some pictures at a first photographic session two weeks ago, and among these pictures was one of the girl nude from the waist up.

He said the mother became angry when she saw the picture and questioned her daughter when she returned home from the second photographic session Thursday night. Officers said the girl told her mother that Polanski had given her a tablet of the powerful tranquilizing drug Quaalude.

The director then raped the girl and forced her to commit various sex acts with him, police said.

Polanski made no public comment on his arrest. He surrendered peacefully when he was taken into custody at the hotel.

So, now a veritable potpourri of left wingers are demanding the release of Polanski who plead guilty to charges of unlawful sex with a 13 year old.

He should be locked away forever. How can these libs say its okay to let a pedophile (he plead guilty) off the hook regardless of how long ago it happened?

This kind of thinking is where you go once you head down the path of liberalism.

Wow, you are amazing. You have taken a story about a pervert and a few well known individuals who wish to free him and turned it into a political piece on the evils of liberalism. Not everything in world is left against right, geez man broaden your perspective. Be careful reading the comics page, you may find a left wing angle to Family Circus.

Miss Kitty · 10-01-2009, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by poppy

Wow, you are amazing. You have taken a story about a pervert and a few well known individuals who wish to free him and turned it into a political piece on the evils of liberalism. Not everything in world is left against right, geez man broaden your perspective. Be careful reading the comics page, you may find a left wing angle to Family Circus.

Thank you for this post. I was shaking my head at the title of this thread.

Fisher...the pot you are stirring is boiling over. Really, that's enough.

Santiago · 10-01-2009, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 30ashopper

How could all these hollywood stars actually come out in support of this man? I just don't get it.

Because they are so enlightened, that 's why. Apparently alluding justice for 30 years somehow earns you a pass in their eyes rather than compounding the problem. I can't figure under what moral authority Woody Allen is weighing in on this.

poppy · 10-01-2009, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by scooterbug44

Wow, I am so out of the loop - none of the "liberals" I know condone rape, underage sex, or pedophiles.

In fact they tend to be much more outspoken about the issue than many conservative people and institutions.

P.S. I am absolutely shocked that Woody Allen (you know the guy who had sex with and then married his stepdaughter) is supporting pervy Polanski.

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Originally Posted by Santiago

Because they are so enlightened, that 's why. Apparently alluding justice for 30 years somehow earns you a pass in their eyes rather than compounding the problem. I can't figure under what moral authority Woody Allen is weighing in on this.

Woody Allen's new movie "Honey I F**ked the Kids" will be out next month.

shellak · 10-01-2009, 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scooterbug44

Wow, I am so out of the loop - none of the "liberals" I know condone rape, underage sex, or pedophiles.

In fact they tend to be much more outspoken about the issue than many conservative people and institutions.

P.S. I am absolutely shocked that Woody Allen (you know the guy who had sex with and then married his stepdaughter) is supporting pervy Polanski.

thank you! i am "liberal" and absolutely don't condone what roman polanski did, no matter how long ago. it is interesting that the victim would like this all to go away since she is 45 and would like to get on with her life. however, she really doesn't get to decide in this case. polanski may be a very talented director but he skipped out on what he confessed to. contrary to many conservatives, liberals don't condone crime, particularly crime against children. i prosecuted for a number of years,and one of the things i didn't condone was going through with a prosecution for which there was almost no or no evidence whatsoever. saw it regularly.

kkddbb · 10-01-2009, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SWGB

Wow, do you just get home and post directly from the Drudge report?

does the truth hurt?

kkddbb · 10-01-2009, 08:09 AM

maybe they can invite the rapist to join them at hugo or fidel's house for a dinner party. one big happy liberal bash!

Lynnie · 10-01-2009, 10:56 AM

Did anyone actually see The Pianist?

I never watched it, but heard it was very good. No doubt, Polanski is talented. Disappointing about Scorcese and Lynch signing the petition; they are two of my absolute favorites!

I suspect now he will not just serve out his sentence, but there will be new charges against him?

Rita · 10-01-2009, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Miss Kitty

Thank you for this post. I was shaking my head at the title of this thread.

Fisher...the pot you are stirring is boiling over. Really, that's enough.

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Me too - in fact, I didn't read the op because of the title.

Quote:

Originally Posted by poppy

Wow, you are amazing. You have taken a story about a pervert and a few well known individuals who wish to free him and turned it into a political piece on the evils of liberalism. Not everything in world is left against right, geez man broaden your perspective. Be careful reading the comics page, you may find a left wing angle to Family Circus.

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There is either an inability to get beyond a broad-brush approach to life or way too much delight in starting piszing contests. Give us a a break! ..

Oh yeah, I think Polanski should serve any legal sentence awarded him. Otherwise why have laws.

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SWGB · 10-01-2009, 12:53 PM

The part that bothers me about all of this is that the victim has moved on and doesn't want to pursue this anymore. She has lived in relative peace for 30 years and now she's going to have to testify, and because she is no longer a minor her face will be plastered all of the news media.

I'm not saying what he did wasn't wrong, it was! However the victim should be left alone and her wishes respected.

mtlinscomb · 10-01-2009, 02:54 PM

cinematic immunity clause:

Big Hollywood » Blog Archive » Support for Polanski Explained: The ‘Cinematic Immunity’ Clause

Andy A. · 10-01-2009, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SWGB

Wow, do you just get home and post directly from the Drudge report?

Oh come on, SWGB. Even you can understand why Polanski should be extradited, can't you?

Just Curious · 10-01-2009, 04:27 PM

Did she receive some type of settlement? I thought that I heard that somewhere, or I could of just made it up, who knows.

Santiago · 10-01-2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SWGB

The part that bothers me about all of this is that the victim has moved on and doesn't want to pursue this anymore. She has lived in relative peace for 30 years and now she's going to have to testify, and because she is no longer a minor her face will be plastered all of the news media.

I'm not saying what he did wasn't wrong, it was! However the victim should be left alone and her wishes respected.

They victim doesn't need to testify, he already admitted it. He committed another crime when he fled, they can just prosecute him on that one without the victim.

Santiago · 10-01-2009, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Lynnie

Did anyone actually see The Pianist?

I never watched it, but heard it was very good. No doubt, Polanski is talented. Disappointing about Scorcese and Lynch signing the petition; they are two of my absolute favorites!

I suspect now he will not just serve out his sentence, but there will be new charges against him?

I actually thought that The Pianist was a pretty good movie. I didn't realize until a day or so ago that Polanski directed it. You're right, he is talented.

AlphaCrab · 10-01-2009, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by fisher

Methinks you didn't read my post.

I'm not talking about the mindset of Polanski.

I was talking about the mindset of the liberal crowd of influencers in Hollyweird that signed a petition to free Polanski the child molester after finally being arrested for a horrific crime he committed.

The Polanski issue is not an obscure news story. It's about a 40 something year old pedophile (who happens to be a famous director) that drugged and sodomized a 13 year old girl. It's about a horrific crime and a person that ran from the law in order to escape punishment for a crime he admitted to.

I haven't noticed you objecting to rabblerousing posts by some of your liberal buds that are based on shallow intellectual assumptions and very flawed data. What's up with that?

I still maintain that your are adept at generalizations to make your pleas seem "logical," and I dare say it, but your are probably adept at stereoptyping different people as well when it happens to fit your argumentaive calculations.

Mermaid · 10-01-2009, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Santiago

I actually thought that The Pianist was a pretty good movie. I didn't realize until a day or so ago that Polanski directed it. You're right, he is talented.

There's the rub. We are so accustomed to thinking that anyone who is brilliant--as is Polanski in his field--must of course be brilliant in the whole of their lives.

But that's not the way it works. Someone who has genius in one area may be stupid in another. Polanski is an extraordinary filmaker but he's an idiot to think that even decades later that there wouldn't be outrage that he raped an underage girl. It doesn't matter that that girl is a grown woman who has had the courage to move past what he did to her. It does matter that he committed a crime, and in the end, the piper must be paid.

poppy · 10-02-2009, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Mermaid

There's the rub. We are so accustomed to thinking that anyone who is brilliant--as is Polanski in his field--must of course be brilliant in the whole of their lives.

But that's not the way it works. Someone who has genius in one area may be stupid in another. Polanski is an extraordinary filmaker but he's an idiot to think that even decades later that there wouldn't be outrage that he raped an underage girl. It doesn't matter that that girl is a grown woman who has had the courage to move past what he did to her. It does matter that he committed a crime, and in the end, the piper must be paid.

Absolutely 100% correct. No amount of talent will ever outweigh the act of drugging and raping a 13 yr. old child.

Bob · 10-02-2009, 09:08 AM

throw his arse in jail

TooFarTampa · 10-02-2009, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Blair

I would love this as a siggy line.

Somebody please do it.

Rita · 10-02-2009, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by TooFarTampa

I would love this as a siggy line.

Somebody please do it.

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The artist would like credit when used:
OMG ONOZ by ~u63r on deviantART

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Rita · 10-02-2009, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Blair

link had an error...

should I get an attorney?

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Ha! no - I think you're safe!

Maybe if used as avatar an artist mention? courtesy thing. - I hardly ever do because I never know where stuff originates. But I just by chance linked to the artist this time and he/she asked for recognition. It's cool.

link works for me

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Geo · 10-02-2009, 02:13 PM

My daughter is only 2 so to help this hit home for me I used the first 13 year old girl I know that came to mind...

My neighbor's daughter Hillary is 13. If her dad and those of us who are proud to be his friend found out that someone gave her alcohol and drugs and then had sex with her/sodomized her-

Well, let's just say we would get medieval on his arse...

Anyone who signed this petition isn't thinking clearly out of loyalty for their talented filmmaker friend...

Extradite the bum and have him serve his sentence.

Yours truly,

A liberal

sunspotbaby · 10-05-2009, 09:39 AM

Chris Rock on Polanski....

Chris Rock and Jay Leno Are Not on Team Polanski - E! Online

BeachSteelers · 10-05-2009, 03:25 PM

Did the petition say it's ok to rape all 13yr olds or just for Pulanski to do it?

LuciferSam · 10-05-2009, 09:22 PM

I don't know what the petition signers could be thinking. This would probably be rape even if it happened to a middle-aged prostitute and she was your spouse.

CSully · 10-06-2009, 10:19 AM

Yet again with the superlatives and sweeping generalizations about the "liberals". And, as tired as I am getting of saying this......I am someone you would undoubtedly categorize as a "liberal" and I believe Polanski should be locked away for this. I ALSO don't condone rape or child molestation.

Yet another example of you and your fear mongering about the evil, scary "libs"....give me a break.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fisher

Over 100 In Film Community Sign Polanski Petition - indieWIRE

AFP is reporting that a grand assembly of filmmakers, actors and producers from around the world have signed a petition urging the release of director Roman Polanski, who was arrested Sunday in Switzerland on a warrant for a 1977 underage sex case in the United States. Woody Allen, Alejandro Gonzalez Inarritu, Martin Scorcese, David Lynch, Wong Kar Wai, Harmony Korine, Stephen Frears, Alexander Payne, Michael Mann, Wim Wenders, Tilda Swinton, Julian Schnabel, and Pedro Almodovar are among the 100 and counting film industry figures who have signed the petition, coordinated from France by the SACD, an organization which represents performance and visual artists.

Roman Polanski Media Reports Archive: The Zero 5.0laf - The Official Website of Andrew Vachss

Originally published in The Washington Post, March 13, 1977

LOS ANGELES, March 12, 1977 — Polish film director Roman Polanski, widower of murdered actress Sharon Tate, was free on bond today on charges of luring a 13-year-old girl to the home of Jack Nicholson under the pretext of photographing her, then drugging and raping her.

Polanski, 43, was arrested by police to Beverly Wilshire Hotel Friday night following the incident Thursday night at Nicholson's Bel Air home.

In addition to the rape charges, Polanski also was booked on suspicion of sodomy, child molestation and furnishing dangerous drugs to a minor. He was released on $2,500 bond pending his arraignment March 18.

Nicholson was reportedly out of town at the time. A spokesman for the district attorney's office told reporters that Polanski recently met the girl's mother and arranged for the girl to pose for some photographs for the French edition of Vogue magazine.

He said Polanski took some pictures at a first photographic session two weeks ago, and among these pictures was one of the girl nude from the waist up.

He said the mother became angry when she saw the picture and questioned her daughter when she returned home from the second photographic session Thursday night. Officers said the girl told her mother that Polanski had given her a tablet of the powerful tranquilizing drug Quaalude.

The director then raped the girl and forced her to commit various sex acts with him, police said.

Polanski made no public comment on his arrest. He surrendered peacefully when he was taken into custody at the hotel.

So, now a veritable potpourri of left wingers are demanding the release of Polanski who plead guilty to charges of unlawful sex with a 13 year old.

He should be locked away forever. How can these libs say its okay to let a pedophile (he plead guilty) off the hook regardless of how long ago it happened?

This kind of thinking is where you go once you head down the path of liberalism.