I came across something today that happened in August 2006 and it relates to a comment Jimmy Carter made regarding Obama.

In an interview with Jim Lehrer, Jimmy referred to Obama as "this black boy...". Why was there not furor beyond belief on the left when one of their own made such a clearly racist remark about Obama? Joe Wilson simply said "you lie" and he was immediately called a racist. The racist trump card on Joes comment was pulled by none other than Jimmy Carter himself. If you want to compare the two remarks as to which had a more racist undertone, it would definitely be Jimmy's remark.

Bottom line, if a liberal makes a comment like the one Carter made, they get a free pass. Yet, it seems that any time a conservative makes a negative comment about Obama or his policies (ie:healthcare), the race card gets played.

My guess is neither Jimmy or Joe are racist, but only they and their Maker knows for sure. What I do know is that the left (and that includes you Bob on the far left) overuses the term time and time again on conservatives that oppose their policies. It's disgusting and cowardly when you must play the race card because you don't have the ability to make a compelling argument to support your position.

i don't overuse that term because the south has a past that will haunt it forever. carter had to deal with lester maddox when he was governor of georgia. do you have any idea of the world then, or are you just old and ignorant? look up maddox on wikipedia and get back to me for contrition southern style. to put carter with wilson is an insult to carter.

The President stated he did not feel Wilson's remark was racist, that is good enough for me.

Something else he said that impressed me was that while he appreciates Former President Carter's concern it takes the emphasis off more important issues.

I think possibly the President has a greater understanding of what is important and where the focus should be than some of his supporters and his distractors.

I was very impressed with his appearance on Letterman.

Old and ignorant? Not up to your usual high standards of name calling are you? I'm disappointed.

You seem to have great disdain for southerners. Why do you seem so fond of Jimmy Carter?

Why does he get a pass for calling the Big O a "black boy" but Joe doesn't for calling him a liar? Again, your logic seems very twisted. And, once again you didn't address the real issue as to why liberals get away with racist tinged comments but conservatives don't. If Joe or any other conservative had used those words, there would be mass rioting in the streets by you and your liberal friends. L.Sam would absolutely blow a gasket.

Jimmy should just put out to pasture at Habitat and stay the heck away from any form of media. It's embarrassing to see him say so many stupid things.

Jimmy Carter was referring to Barack during his days as a young child when he made the "boy" remark. There is no comparison between that and Wilson's racist driven vile contemptible rudeness. Hot Air » Blog Archive » Defending Jimmy Carter

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That is an intellectually dishonest response.

If ANY conservative had made the exact same comments, word for word, as good ole boy Jimmy did, they would be history, period. And, you know it. He got a pass because he is a liberal. Period. End of story.

What's intellectually dishonest is to do what you did and mention the incident out of context without qualifying it. Many people including myself were unaware of the incident. Some would take your remark at face value and simply believe that Carter had made a racist remark. Without you providing the context, it is obvious that you are trying to deceive the reader into thinking that Carter actually made a racist remark, which he did not. Thank you for providing me with the opportunity to clear things up. I don't think we need the "maker" to sift through yet another crock of sh-- you have tried to dump on us.

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Ty for this post. I have pretty much stopped reading any of the back & forth between you two, but did happen to read this and appreciate it.

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"Peace .... starts with the person who attempts to diffuse the tension and backs away from the inflammatory rhetoric."

After watching the video I must say you are pathetic in trying to label Jimmy Carter as a racist. You knew you were being dishonest in your claim otherwise you would have posted the source you "came across".

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"We must recognize the fact that adequate food is only the first requisite for life. For a decent and humane life we must also provide an opportunity for good education, remunerative employment, comfortable housing, good clothing and effective and compassionate medical care." Norman Borlaug

Wow, you give us three words from an interview and expect us to determine whether the person is a racist? Give me a break. You are correct that if a Republican had used those words, he would be called a racist, so there is some party love there, but it is a far cry from being a racist. If that is the only three words in the entire interview which point to any discrimination, you don't have a case. Also, the definition of "racism" is much looser today, than it was twenty years ago. In the past, a racist was one who thinks one races is superior to another. That is the definition I still use, and it can still be found in some of our older hard-core southern population, and even in some of their decedents. However, today's journalists twist the definition to include what I've always thought of as discrimination or bigotry.

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carter has the luxury of being able to speak the truth without congressional alienation.

did you look up maddox or are you intellectually dishonest as you are an in denial racist. carter has a lifetime resume that would preclude any mention of his name with racism. you come off as a cracker wackjob.

I will choose not to spend precious time arguing, bickering over petty sh** like this. fisher, go have a drink and relax. Go out and do something funn. Not sure where you live but if it is in SoWal get out from behind that computer and go enjoy what God gave you. Life is is too short to waste time FINDING things to ARGUE about. Geez. Seriously. Geez.

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I know I don't get there often enough, but God knows I surely try, It's a magic kind of medicine that no doctor could prescribe!

carter may not be a racist, but he's without a doubt the worst american president in history. a severely misguided man and his record is proof of such.

have you found his birth certificate yet?

your an odd one, but sometimes you make me laugh i have to admit. i just love how you just change subjects and that you just have to get the last word. your an obvious push-over.....

Please go back and read my original post. I said I didn't think either Jimmy or Joe is racist. I agree with you.

I don't think those 3 words or the ONE word Joe uttered should define someone as racist. The point of the thread is that the race card is way, way overplayed by the left and that conservatives get slaughtered for much ado about nothing, but Carter was given a free pass for uttering three simple words that would have gotten a conservative crushed by the media.

ee, i, ee, i, o.

This thread is about the pass the media gave Jimmy for which a conservative would have been crushed by the ensuing medial onslaught.

I don't think Carter or Wilson are racist, but none of us knows for certain what is in another persons heart.

Please read my other posts. The thread is meant to show the huge disparity between the way conservative are treated by the press and the way liberals are treated by the press. It appears that only conservatives seem to be labeled racist for comments and actions that don't appear racist ("you lie") whereas libs get a free pass when they make comments that could just as easily be twisted by the press ("black boy").

There is no need to post a reference to something that was taped and can be found very easily on the internet.

Again, I don't think he is racist, a pathetic past president, but not a racist.

And, Joe was saying Obama lied about his comments on the healthcare plan. Rude and out of line, absolutely. Calling someone a liar makes them a racist, absolutely not.

So, are you saying anyone that calls Obama a liar, is a racist?

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Just looks to me like somebody has a need to whine.

Guess we could start a SoWal "whine line" ....

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"Peace .... starts with the person who attempts to diffuse the tension and backs away from the inflammatory rhetoric."

good idea

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This is the second time that it has been brought up that we don't know whether or not someone else is a racist, and I can see how that may be true for people whom we don't really know, such as politicians in Wa(r)shignton, but I know whether or not many people are racists. Many people wear their hearts on their sleeves.

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What's new with the way the press treats things? Many wise people have stated terrible things about the press since the press first began.

Here are a few good ones:

“Newspapers are unable, seemingly to discriminate between a bicycle accident and the collapse of civilization” George Bernard Shaw

“Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for that rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge” Erwin Knoll



“It's amazing that the amount of news that happens in the world every day always just exactly fits the newspaper.” Jerry Seinfeld


“I am unable to understand how a man of honor could take a newspaper in his hands without a shudder of disgust.” Charles Baudelaire

“The truth is not wonderful enough to suit the newspapers; so they enlarge upon it, and invent ridiculous embellishments.” Anne Sullivan

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I believe you, I can find no reason to doubt you but Jimmy Carter was a poor choice to make your point. He may not be everyone's favorite President but racism is not in his DNA. Maybe a former Dixiecrat would have been more believable.

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"We must recognize the fact that adequate food is only the first requisite for life. For a decent and humane life we must also provide an opportunity for good education, remunerative employment, comfortable housing, good clothing and effective and compassionate medical care." Norman Borlaug

After reading through this thread it is obvious that some do not want to address the point so they make wild accusations and divert attention.
Jimmy Carter is no racist. He stood tall in Georgia against the old guard segregationists like Maddox. By most accounts he was a good governor. I supported him for President in 1976 because of his record as governor. He is the only Democrat to date I have ever supported for President and as I was too young to vote in 1976, I have never voted for one.
He was a terrible President, in over his head. He left 20% interest rates, 14% inflation and hostages in Iran. Reagan fixed the problems at a high cost-runaway deficits.
I believe the point Fisher was trying to make is that had a Conservative with the same impeccable record as Mr. Carter made the same reference-calling a Black man a "black boy" that conservative would have been castigated by the media regardless of the years of service or the clean record. I think Fisher has a valid point.
Good people can make slips and mistakes. Cater made one and got a pass as he deserved. Hopefully we can come to a place one day where a good man who is a conservative can get the same treatment.

Amen. and thanks.

KD--thanks for the advice. BUT, life is actually really good for me. I use the net from time to time for entertainment. This is no different. I like the occasional debate on this forum. I take everything said on these forums with a grain of salt and hold no grudges against anyone. I get a chuckle everytime I sit down and read some of the posts.

As for relaxing and doing something funn, if you will look at my user data, I average roughly one post every two days. So, I'm not really spending that much time on this site. I have too many other great outside interests to spend too much time on the internet.

On the other hand, it appears that you average about 8 or so posts per day. So why are you saying I should get out from behind the computer and have some funn???

I don't want to offend anyone else that really likes to sit on this forum and chat a bunch. To each his own and I'm glad you enjoy it. But, to KD I just needed to say that I do not spend my life behind the computer. To the contrary, I spend most of my life when not working in the great outdoors with friends and family.

Have a nice day.

KD, you've been told to have a nice day. use the dead bolt tonight.

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Bob you are slipping.

I'll help you end your sentence properly--

"use the dead bolt tonight"... to ensure the redneck, racist, _____head, ____bag, wackjob, bogeyman, jerk stays out.

Ee, i, ee, i, o.

A new low

It's okay. Doesn't bother me.

Bob, LucySam and now EDboy, remind me a lot of the bullies in the school yard. Name calling, trying to intimidate, etc in an effort to make themselves look big by attempting to hurt others or make them look small.

I work and play with a lot of liberals and we have some spirited discussions about many of the subjects bantered about on this forum. None of them use name calling or hateful comments to try to make their points or put down conservatives.

Fortunately, most of us have grown up and left the school yard.

Apparently, these three have not.

That's great to hear. That's how progress will be made.

Have you ever read a post and not looked at who wrote it and guessed if it was a "liberal" poster or "conservative" poster. VERY RARE to find an exception - a poster finding a new way of looking at something - among most.

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Carter used the term "black boy" in the correct context so his statement was not a slip or mistake making the example a poor one. Find an example of a conservative with the same impeccable record making a similar statement being castigated by the media and Fisher's point will be made.

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respect is earned, especially when you post garbage masquerading as serious discussion. your schoolyard analogy is equally namecalling. call a knucklehead a knucklehead, ok knucklehead? you are not a conservative, just a southern democrat turned repub after the civil rights bill was passed. now go troll the real estate threads with your backwater negativity. please insert laughing emoticons .

no problem, there you go, and have a nice day!

you people are still defending the anti semite, hamas jimmy. the original point in this thread is accurate regardless the context. case and point, vp biden and his statement about obama being the first clean, articulate black man. the left and the media didn't give a d@mn. had wilson called obama the same he would have been hung by the left and demanded to leave the planet. realize the hypocrisy or find a sand box to shove your heads back in

You people?--sounds kinda of like "that ONE."....

Any-who (thats mid west speak, btw)I kind of do think Joe Wilson is a jerk, but as far as that haughty rag tag group of Senators and Congressman assembled there during president Obama's, who new exactly WHICH politician Wilson was talking to when he yelled out "You Lie!" I figure the whole lot of them's bums twitched just a bit when that got shouted out.

I am just saying...

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Abrupt and needed "change" is hard for anyone to deal with. We have to deal with new paradigms in a new world, but I think things are gradually getting better!

Can you say Joe Wilson? Even Obama gave him a pass, but the rest of the left won't let it go. Hence, the purpose of the thread.

Also, can you say TRENT LOTT--??? Once again, given a pass by several big name libs but not by the media or many, many other prominent politicians and activists.

Just two easy examples.

Starting this thread tells us you can't let it go. Thanks for bringing up Trent Lott, another poor example to make your point Fisher-

"I want to say this about my state: When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We're proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years, either," Trent Lott

"All the laws of Washington and all the bayonets of the Army cannot force the Negro into our homes, our schools, our churches." Strom Thurmond during his campaign for POTUS

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"We must recognize the fact that adequate food is only the first requisite for life. For a decent and humane life we must also provide an opportunity for good education, remunerative employment, comfortable housing, good clothing and effective and compassionate medical care." Norman Borlaug

Lott is a perfect example.

You are trying to connect two dots that do not connect. Lott was maybe 6 or 7 years old when Thurmond made that disgusting statement. It's a perfect example of how far the left will go to discredit a conservative to say a statement made by an idiot 50 plus years ago when Lott was a child can be connected to the going away comments by Lott. Gore, Daschle and many other of your favorite libs agree with me.

House of Representatives

Lott was raised as a Democrat. He served as administrative assistant to House Rules Committee chairman William M. Colmer, also of Pascagoula, from 1968 to 1972.

In 1972, Colmer, one of the most conservative Democrats in the House, announced his retirement after 40 years in Congress. He endorsed Lott as his successor in Mississippi's 5th District, located in the state's southwestern tip, even though Lott ran as a Republican. Lott won handily.

Lott's party switch was part of a growing trend in the South. During the 1960s, cracks had begun to appear in the Democrats' "Solid South", as many whites, motivated in part by the national Democratic Party's stance on African American civil rights, began to switch parties. For example, 1964 Republican nominee Barry Goldwater carried Mississippi by winning an unheard-of 87 percent of the popular vote even as he was routed nationally......fischer, all closet racist should know their history...the majority of poor uneducated whites in the south were democrats until the federal government decided to defend the rights of blacks......then, late one night....bingo!!!! racist republicans!!!! yehaw !!!!

mississippi burning from "o republican where art thou"

Ee, i, ee, i, o.

And how old was he when he gave that disgusting farewell speech?

See post number one to see how far the right will go.

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"We must recognize the fact that adequate food is only the first requisite for life. For a decent and humane life we must also provide an opportunity for good education, remunerative employment, comfortable housing, good clothing and effective and compassionate medical care." Norman Borlaug

Old enough to not have a clue what Strom Thurmond said 50 years before.

democrat became republican howdee do!

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appreciate today

Smart guy.

that civil rights act must have been socialism

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There are ample examples of politicians changing party affiliations during the civil rights movement, in hopes of staying in office. Politicians go where they think they can win the vote of the majority.

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This one is easy - NO, Jimmy Carter is absolutely not a racist. To suggest otherwise just shows that you either are clueless or are just trying to start something where nothing exists.

Happy 85th, Jimmy.

End of thread (hopefully).

I read this thread and decided to come back to the 1st post. Now.. my question here is simple, How many here that are standing in judgement of what a RACEST remark is and find it offensive are of the RACE your proclaiming it to be about?

If you have not lived it how could anyone have the opinion it is Racist. Now where have I seen anyone of the BLACK community stand up against Jimmy Carter or Joe? The Media and the WHITE driven FAR LEFT have taken these comments to the task of being Racist. I for one do NOT find them to be Racist. They are the opinion of the speaker. There is nothing else in the foundations of their statements to even elude to the Racist titles. What FOOLS we have that give credit to the Media and the FAR LEFT wackos.

To answer the question that some might ask, I am a Very Proud BLACK African American. I am African by heritage and Black by pigmentation of the skin and AMERICAN by Birth.

I stood as a child in lines to use the public bathroom that said "******" on the door, I went to schools where ONLY Negros were allowed. I sat in the back of buses to get to my home. I watched family and friends be beat down for their color of skin, I seen them go to jail for just looking at a white woman wrong and it was not uncommon to have a member of the family to go missing walking to town never to be heard from again. So please anyone who has a taste of Racist Reality please feel free to step up!

Jack.

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I don't think one needs to be a woman to recognize gender discrimination. I also don't believe one needs to black to rightfully conclude that another's words or actions are racist...

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Please refer back to previous posts, which I thought should have cleared this up. But then again, maybe not ....................


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"Peace .... starts with the person who attempts to diffuse the tension and backs away from the inflammatory rhetoric."

Please read the entire thread paying attention to my comments saying I do not believe either Joe or Jimmy's remarks were racially motivated (and agreed to by the one African American that has spoken up on the subject). The purpose of the thread is to call BS on all the people that throw out the race card time and time again in response to remarks that don't appear in the least bit to be racist.

Beanstalk said it well.

When it is blatant I agree. But, when you ascribe racism to a comment such as You lie, you are going way beyond what is blatant and reading way, way too much into the comment. There is no way you can read racism into the comment, you lie. If so, every singly person in the entire world is racist. Who has not used the words, you lie, or he lied or she lied..., at some point in their lives.

The libs need a serious reality check on this one. Even Obama agrees with me and most other sane people.

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Fisher, I also do not believe Wilson's comment, "You lie!", to be racist.

But I believe Lucifer was on target in calling you out on the way you posted your op, in that it was "intellectually dishonest" and taken out of context, leaving out the fact that Carter was referencing Obama as a young child when the remark was made.

"Some would take your remark at face value and simply believe that Carter had made a racist remark. Without you providing the context, it is obvious that you are trying to deceive the reader into thinking that Carter actually made a racist remark, which he did not. " - Lucifer

Your later explanation of why you say you started this thread is clouded by the tactics used in your op, imo.

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"Peace .... starts with the person who attempts to diffuse the tension and backs away from the inflammatory rhetoric."

I had to do it.

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My face is sore after that spew, eff yourself.

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You are correct. That was uncalled for. My apologies. I deleted the post but cannot delete your copied version.

Fair point- in that "you lie" is not intrinsically a racist statement. However, we don't live in a vaccuum. Many people in this country were led to believe they should fear Obama. All the scary labels came out- he is a Muslim (gasp), a socialist (yikees), he is indoctrinating our kids, etc.

In most presidential elections, folks who voted for the second place finisher disagree with the policies of the first place finisher. But nonetheless, they deal and move on after their candidate's loss. This time around is different. Too many feel they still know better and need to protect us from "that one".

This is what fueled a congressman's outburst. The fear. And whether conscious or not, it is very likely that race is an element of that fear. And if it isn't, there is nothing at all absurd or implausible about questioning if it is.

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I agree, Geo. And, I think this is what President Carter was referring to...not that the comment, "you lie" was a racist comment, but that the mind set that allowed a U. S. Congressman, on the floor of the House, during a formal speech, given by the Head of State, to shout out such an inappropriate and juvenile attack, was fueled by a racist attitude.

One only need look at Cong. Wilson's other behaviors to see that it is certainly possible that he could hold some racist thoughts.

Has anyone else wondered about the construct of his comment (probably not, I guess it's the writing teacher in me, but...) why did he shout "You Lie"--instead of "Liar"? I wondered about it until I saw it is a line from the Teenage Ninja Turtles...so middle school behavior, I guess

Hopefully Cong. Wilson will disappear back into the woodwork somewhere along with Senator Allen...and a truly dedicated, adult person can be elected to represent the people of South Carolina.

While IMO there is certainly room for questioning policies and doing so in a determined way, more can be accomplished when the questioning is done from a point of view that is constructive rather than destructive.

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I don't buy any of that.

First, some not many think or thought President Obama is a Muslim and/or socialist and is indoctrinating our kids. His approval rating in January was something like 83%. Certainly that number includes some Republicans. Some people use the term Socialist to describe liberal policies, not as a literal label.

Second, how long did I hear that President Bush "stole" the election and is "not my President?" There are people who never get over their candidate losing an election. No more this time than ever before.

This charge of racism and fear is ridiculous. I only ever hear racism when it is brought up by Democrats. Senator Reid called President Bush a loser and later a liar. Was that racism or fear? No, it was typical of the opposition. That's just the way politics rolls. One side fears the other side is doing the wrong thing for our country - that's the only fear.

To explain why conservative Republicans object to the policies of a liberal Democrat President with a liberal Democrat House and Senate as somehow racist is completely absurd to me.

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Agree to disagree...

EDIT: But for the record, I am not saying that Republicans (or anyone else) who disagrees with Obama's policies are racist. That would be completely absurd just as you said. Consider this-

Many progressives do not agree with his policies. I don't see their disagreement being racially driven. So this discussion is NOT about disagreement...

I am simply saying that fear and mistrust of this president has been injected into American minds and that I personally believe race is part of it (whether conscious or not).

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Fear and mistrust is not uniquely directed toward the current President. I just read on another thread on SoWal where someone stated that they don't believe "anyone who worked in the deceptive Bush Administration." I doubt race has anything to do with this statement either.

It degrades political debate to assign race as the cause of disagreement. It implies the argument itself is not valid, so there must be an underlying, unrelated reason for disagreement.

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All I know is the President is going to look like a dumb@ss if Wilson's statement was accurate, and something tells me if there is a public option it will cover both illegals and abortion. Just my opinion.

Is this thread still going? I have no idea why. Some people give too much credibility to the comments of journalists and radicals.

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