Acorn

mtlinscomb · #1 09-10-2009, 01:07 PM

ACORN Officials Videotaped Telling 'Pimp,' 'Prostitute' How to Lie to IRS - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com

Officials with the controversial community organizing group ACORN were secretly videotaped offering to assist two individuals posing as a pimp and a prostitute, encouraging them to lie to the Internal Revenue Service and providing guidance on how to claim underage girls from South America as dependents.
The videotape was made public Thursday on BigGovernment.com, a political blog launched by Andrew Breitbart as a companion site to his BigHollywood.breitbart.com blog.
In the videotape, made on July 24, James O'Keefe, a 25-year-old independent filmmaker, posed as a pimp with a 20-year-old woman named "Kenya" who posed as a prostitute while visiting ACORN's office in Baltimore. The couple told ACORN staffers they wanted to secure housing where the woman could continue to maintain a prostitution business.
ACORN — the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now — bills itself as the nation's largest community of low- and moderate-income families "working together for social justice and stronger communities," according to its Web site. The organization has been accused by Republicans and conservative activists with fraud in voter registration drives around the country and has been under fire since last year for its support of President Obama and for its planned participation in next year's census.
A spokesman for ACORN, Scott Levenson, when asked to comment on the videotape, said: "The portrayal is false and defamatory and an attempt at gotcha journalism. This film crew tried to pull this sham at other offices and failed. ACORN wants to see the full video before commenting further."
On the videotape, "Kenya" can be seen telling an ACORN staffer that she earns roughly $8,000 a month. The ACORN employee then suggests to "Kenya" that ACORN could submit a tax return for 2008 showing that she made $9,600 for the entire year — instead of $96,000 — and that ACORN would charge "Kenya" $50 instead of the usual $150 fee for preparing her taxes.
ACORN offers tax preparation and benefits application services free of charge during tax season; it charges nominal fees during non-tax season.
The ACORN staffer can also be seen suggesting that the prostitute list her occupation as a freelance "performing artist."
"It's not dancing, trust me," the "pimp" says.
"But dancing is considered an art," the ACORN staffer replies. "[Exotic dancers] usually go under performing artists, or yeah, they usually go under performing arts, which will be what you are — a performing artist."
The "pimp" later says that he and "Kenya" plan to bring up to 13 "very young" girls from El Salvador to work as prostitutes. Although an ACORN staffer points out their plans are illegal, she also suggests that the girls can be claimed as dependents.
"What if they are going to be making money because they are performing tricks too?" the pimp says.
"If they making money and they are underage, then you shouldn't be letting anybody know anyway," the ACORN staffer says, and laughs. "It's illegal. So I am not hearing this, I am not hearing this. You talk too much. Don't give up no information you're not asked."
The "pimp" then asks ACORN staffers to "promise" not to discriminate against his sex worker because of "who she is and what she does," according to the audiotape.
"If we don't have the information, then how are we going to discriminate?" the ACORN staffer replies. "You see what I am saying?"
If the girls are under age 16, the ACORN staffer says on the tape, then they are not legally allowed to work in the state, regardless of what they do.
"So it's like they don't even exist?" "Kenya" asks.
"Exactly," the ACORN staffer replies. "It's like they don't even exist."
The staffer goes on to suggest that as many as three of the underage girls can be listed as dependents at the home, but a "flag" will be raised if as many as 13 are listed.
"You are gonna use three of them," the staffer says. "They are gonna be under 16, so you is eligible to get child tax credit and additional child tax credit."
The ACORN workers also appear to be promoting the group's services to the "pimp" and "Kenya."
A second ACORN employee can be heard on the audiotape suggesting that the couple join the organization for an annual cost of $120 prior to attending one of its first-time homebuyer seminars, which are underwritten with taxpayer funds.
Later, when the "pimp" asks what would happen if the organization is somehow connected to the scheme, the ACORN staffer replies, "First of all, it's not gonna damage us because we not gonna know. And with your girls, you tell them, 'Be careful.' Train them to keep their mouth shut."
"These girls are like 14, how can we trust them?" the pimp asks.
"Just be very, very careful," the ACORN staffer says. "Whatever you do, always keep your eyes in the back of your head."
Reached by FOX News, O'Keefe said he was "shocked" at the level of assistance provided by ACORN staffers.
"I was prepared for them to call the police, throw me out of the office and be hostile," he said. "Without hesitation, they helped me every way they could with evading taxes and setting me up with a brothel, with getting around federal tax laws — doing everything they could to help us. I was completely shocked."
House Republicans issued a report in July accusing ACORN of engaging in a scheme to use taxpayer money to support a partisan political agenda. California Rep. Darrell Issa, the top Republican on the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, called for a criminal investigation into the group, which dismissed the report as a "partisan attack job."

DISGUSTING!!!

Bob · #2 09-10-2009, 02:05 PM

how did the come up with the name kenya?

LuciferSam · #3 09-10-2009, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtlinscomb

ACORN Officials Videotaped Telling 'Pimp,' 'Prostitute' How to Lie to IRS - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com

Officials with the controversial community organizing group ACORN were secretly videotaped offering to assist two individuals posing as a pimp and a prostitute, encouraging them to lie to the Internal Revenue Service and providing guidance on how to claim underage girls from South America as dependents.
The videotape was made public Thursday on BigGovernment.com, a political blog launched by Andrew Breitbart as a companion site to his BigHollywood.breitbart.com blog.
In the videotape, made on July 24, James O'Keefe, a 25-year-old independent filmmaker, posed as a pimp with a 20-year-old woman named "Kenya" who posed as a prostitute while visiting ACORN's office in Baltimore. The couple told ACORN staffers they wanted to secure housing where the woman could continue to maintain a prostitution business.
ACORN — the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now — bills itself as the nation's largest community of low- and moderate-income families "working together for social justice and stronger communities," according to its Web site. The organization has been accused by Republicans and conservative activists with fraud in voter registration drives around the country and has been under fire since last year for its support of President Obama and for its planned participation in next year's census.
A spokesman for ACORN, Scott Levenson, when asked to comment on the videotape, said: "The portrayal is false and defamatory and an attempt at gotcha journalism. This film crew tried to pull this sham at other offices and failed. ACORN wants to see the full video before commenting further."
On the videotape, "Kenya" can be seen telling an ACORN staffer that she earns roughly $8,000 a month. The ACORN employee then suggests to "Kenya" that ACORN could submit a tax return for 2008 showing that she made $9,600 for the entire year — instead of $96,000 — and that ACORN would charge "Kenya" $50 instead of the usual $150 fee for preparing her taxes.
ACORN offers tax preparation and benefits application services free of charge during tax season; it charges nominal fees during non-tax season.
The ACORN staffer can also be seen suggesting that the prostitute list her occupation as a freelance "performing artist."
"It's not dancing, trust me," the "pimp" says.
"But dancing is considered an art," the ACORN staffer replies. "[Exotic dancers] usually go under performing artists, or yeah, they usually go under performing arts, which will be what you are — a performing artist."
The "pimp" later says that he and "Kenya" plan to bring up to 13 "very young" girls from El Salvador to work as prostitutes. Although an ACORN staffer points out their plans are illegal, she also suggests that the girls can be claimed as dependents.
"What if they are going to be making money because they are performing tricks too?" the pimp says.
"If they making money and they are underage, then you shouldn't be letting anybody know anyway," the ACORN staffer says, and laughs. "It's illegal. So I am not hearing this, I am not hearing this. You talk too much. Don't give up no information you're not asked."
The "pimp" then asks ACORN staffers to "promise" not to discriminate against his sex worker because of "who she is and what she does," according to the audiotape.
"If we don't have the information, then how are we going to discriminate?" the ACORN staffer replies. "You see what I am saying?"
If the girls are under age 16, the ACORN staffer says on the tape, then they are not legally allowed to work in the state, regardless of what they do.
"So it's like they don't even exist?" "Kenya" asks.
"Exactly," the ACORN staffer replies. "It's like they don't even exist."
The staffer goes on to suggest that as many as three of the underage girls can be listed as dependents at the home, but a "flag" will be raised if as many as 13 are listed.
"You are gonna use three of them," the staffer says. "They are gonna be under 16, so you is eligible to get child tax credit and additional child tax credit."
The ACORN workers also appear to be promoting the group's services to the "pimp" and "Kenya."
A second ACORN employee can be heard on the audiotape suggesting that the couple join the organization for an annual cost of $120 prior to attending one of its first-time homebuyer seminars, which are underwritten with taxpayer funds.
Later, when the "pimp" asks what would happen if the organization is somehow connected to the scheme, the ACORN staffer replies, "First of all, it's not gonna damage us because we not gonna know. And with your girls, you tell them, 'Be careful.' Train them to keep their mouth shut."
"These girls are like 14, how can we trust them?" the pimp asks.
"Just be very, very careful," the ACORN staffer says. "Whatever you do, always keep your eyes in the back of your head."
Reached by FOX News, O'Keefe said he was "shocked" at the level of assistance provided by ACORN staffers.
"I was prepared for them to call the police, throw me out of the office and be hostile," he said. "Without hesitation, they helped me every way they could with evading taxes and setting me up with a brothel, with getting around federal tax laws — doing everything they could to help us. I was completely shocked."
House Republicans issued a report in July accusing ACORN of engaging in a scheme to use taxpayer money to support a partisan political agenda. California Rep. Darrell Issa, the top Republican on the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, called for a criminal investigation into the group, which dismissed the report as a "partisan attack job."

DISGUSTING!!!

The girl's name is Kenya and the almighty Messiah is Kenyan. That can't just be a coincidence. For the tinfoil Bible tells me so.

sunspotbaby · #4 09-10-2009, 02:42 PM

Her name could've been Kelly, it's still a disgusting exchange of information.

ChillPill · #5 09-10-2009, 03:08 PM

Where is the outrage? How can this be remotely defended by any American? And it does not matter if you are right, left or polka dotted, this is not acceptable behavior, period. ACORN has access now to 8 BILLION dollars of your taxpayer money from the stimulus package. How can they continue to be supported?

mtlinscomb · #6 09-10-2009, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ChillPill

Where is the outrage? How can this be remotely defended by any American? And it does not matter if you are right, left or polka dotted, this is not acceptable behavior, period. ACORN has access now to 8 BILLION dollars of your taxpayer money from the stimulus package. How can they continue to be supported?

And it is so refreshing to know that these are the people Obama has turned to for help with the upcoming census.

State of the Union: Obama's ties to ACORN
Obama's ties to ACORN

Obama Paid ACORN $800,000 Via Their “Front Group.” “For starters, Obama paid ACORN, which has endorsed him for president, $800,000 to register new voters, payments his campaign failed to accurately report. (They were disguised in his FEC disclosure as payments to a front group called Citizen Services Inc. for “advance work.”)” (Editorial, “Is ACORN Stealing The Election?” Investor’s Business Daily, 10/8/08)
Obama Was ACORN’s Lawyer. “The next year, 1993, Obama joined the civil-rights law firm Davis Miner Barnhill & Galland, where he sued the state of Illinois on behalf of ACORN to implement the federal “Motor Voter” law, which the GOP governor at the time refused to do. Then-Gov. Jim Edgar argued, presciently, that the Clinton law would invite voter fraud.” (Editorial, “Is ACORN Stealing The Election?” Investor’s Business Daily, 10/8/08)
Obama and ACORN, Fellow Travelers. “ACORN attracted Barack Obama in his youthful community organizing days. Madeline Talbott hired him to train her staff -- the very people who would later descend on Chicago’s banks as CRA shakedown artists. The Democratic nominee later funneled money to the group through the Woods Fund, on whose board he sat, and through the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, ditto. Obama was not just sympathetic -- he was an ACORN fellow traveler.” (Mona Charen, “ACORN, Obama, And The Mortgage Mess,” Real Clear Politics, 9/30/08)
Obama Trained ACORN Staff. “Several community organizers and Altgeld Gardens tenants confirmed Johnson was working on asbestos but said Obama organized residents to act. ‘He got people to vote with their feet’ on the issue, organizer Madeleine Talbot said. At the time, Talbot worked at the social action group ACORN and initially considered Obama a competitor. But she became so impressed with his work that she invited him to help train her staff.” (Letta Tayler and Keith Herbert, “Obama Forged Path As Chicago Community Organizer,” Los Angeles Times, 3/2/08)
ACORN’s Political Action Committee Endorsed Obama. “ACORN’s Political Action Committee, ACORN Votes, announced Feb. 21 that it had endorsed Sen. Barack Obama for President.” (ACORN, “ACORN’s Political Action Committee Endorses Obama,” Press Release, 2/21/08)
Obama Praised ACORN For Being A Good Ally. “When Obama met with ACORN leaders in November, he reminded them of his history with ACORN and his beginnings in Illinois as a Project Vote organizer, a nonprofit focused on voter rights and education. Senator Obama said, ‘I come out of a grassroots organizing background. That’s what I did for three and half years before I went to law school. That’s the reason I moved to Chicago was to organize. So this is something that I know personally, the work you do, the importance of it. I’ve been fighting alongside ACORN on issues you care about my entire career. Even before I was an elected official, when I ran Project Vote voter registration drive in Illinois, ACORN was smack dab in the middle of it, and we appreciate your work.” (Barack Obama 2008 Website, Accessed 10/8/08)
“Obama Worked As Executive Director Of ACORN’s Voter-Registration Arm, Project Vote.” “What’s more, Obama worked as executive director of ACORN’s voter-registration arm, Project Vote, in 1992. Joined by two other community organizers on Chicago’s South Side, Obama conducted the voter-registration drive that helped elect Carol Moseley-Braun to the Senate that year.” (Editorial, “Is ACORN Stealing The Election?” Investor’s Business Daily, 10/8/08)

These people paid no attention to any of the information that was out there during the election, and reason being their chosen media source had no desire to share the information. Even if they knew this information, still some would have voted for him anyway. Don't blame me, I voted for the war hero

CSully · #7 09-10-2009, 04:12 PM

Fox News......what a great, unbiased source!

Lets pay attention to more goofy distractions that keep us away from the real problems in the country.........

mtlinscomb · #8 09-10-2009, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CSully

Fox News......what a great, unbiased source!

Lets pay attention to more goofy distractions that keep us away from the real problems in the country.........

What source isn't biased in this day and age? Would you suggest I get my news from MSNBC where all the stories are about how I should pledge my allegiance not to the USA, but to BHO? I'm guessing you didn't pay any attention to the details of Obama's past prior to the election, so why should you pay any attention to a video of an ACORN employee telling a pimp how to shelter a whore house operation with minors from the federal govt.

Importing minors for sexual misconduct doesn't fall under the porno section of the constitution FYI, so it is a big deal, and yes, they did receive $8 Billion in stimulus. Nice to know we are funding kidnapping, and sexual assault with minors with our hard earned tax dollars.

scooterbug44 · #9 09-10-2009, 05:00 PM

This is highly suspect IMO.

BUT - one would certainly hope that if there is even a shred of truth in it, the authorities would be investigating this staffer, any decisions they've ever made, and the rules and regulations that they are messing with.

Andy A. · #10 09-10-2009, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by scooterbug44

This is highly suspect IMO.

BUT - one would certainly hope that if there is even a shred of truth in it, the authorities would be investigating this staffer, any decisions they've ever made, and the rules and regulations that they are messing with.

There must be a shred of truth in it. ACORN's solution? They fired the two women giving the advice.

mikecatadjuster · #11 09-10-2009, 08:01 PM

I have worked in the 'helping profession' before and hated how tax payer money was dolled out. To me, it was criminal. But the various entities knew the system so well there would never be issues.

And to the point someone here made about Fox news trying to keep people from the bigger issues, Wow! First of all, I heard about this on CNN and why the heck do people bring up Fox news anytime a real issue surfaces?

Just because we have BIGGER issues doesn't mean someone stealing a bike in Seagrove should get away with it or problems with Acorn should be ignored.

And personally, I think Acorn has been up to some devious, self-serving things since they were put in the money loop. I made an observation earlier this summer and got some flack from it. But I was told by someone that Acorn and institutions like it which recieved stimulus funds, was finding ways to disseminate the money to those they saw fit to. And if you didn't notice something different from last year then so be it. But I did.

Not judging. It just made me more curious about how our tax payer funds were being given out. I just think entities like Acorn or on the opposite end, an Arien Nation type organization, should have no place in receiving tax payer dollars. But... I'm not President ;)

lerxst · #12 09-10-2009, 08:25 PM

Just another "racist smear campaign" pay no attention to the men behind the curtain.

Bob · #13 09-10-2009, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mtlinscomb

And it is so refreshing to know that these are the people Obama has turned to for help with the upcoming census.

State of the Union: Obama's ties to ACORN
Obama's ties to ACORN

Obama Paid ACORN $800,000 Via Their “Front Group.” “For starters, Obama paid ACORN, which has endorsed him for president, $800,000 to register new voters, payments his campaign failed to accurately report. (They were disguised in his FEC disclosure as payments to a front group called Citizen Services Inc. for “advance work.”)” (Editorial, “Is ACORN Stealing The Election?” Investor’s Business Daily, 10/8/08)
Obama Was ACORN’s Lawyer. “The next year, 1993, Obama joined the civil-rights law firm Davis Miner Barnhill & Galland, where he sued the state of Illinois on behalf of ACORN to implement the federal “Motor Voter” law, which the GOP governor at the time refused to do. Then-Gov. Jim Edgar argued, presciently, that the Clinton law would invite voter fraud.” (Editorial, “Is ACORN Stealing The Election?” Investor’s Business Daily, 10/8/08)
Obama and ACORN, Fellow Travelers. “ACORN attracted Barack Obama in his youthful community organizing days. Madeline Talbott hired him to train her staff -- the very people who would later descend on Chicago’s banks as CRA shakedown artists. The Democratic nominee later funneled money to the group through the Woods Fund, on whose board he sat, and through the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, ditto. Obama was not just sympathetic -- he was an ACORN fellow traveler.” (Mona Charen, “ACORN, Obama, And The Mortgage Mess,” Real Clear Politics, 9/30/08)
Obama Trained ACORN Staff. “Several community organizers and Altgeld Gardens tenants confirmed Johnson was working on asbestos but said Obama organized residents to act. ‘He got people to vote with their feet’ on the issue, organizer Madeleine Talbot said. At the time, Talbot worked at the social action group ACORN and initially considered Obama a competitor. But she became so impressed with his work that she invited him to help train her staff.” (Letta Tayler and Keith Herbert, “Obama Forged Path As Chicago Community Organizer,” Los Angeles Times, 3/2/08)
ACORN’s Political Action Committee Endorsed Obama. “ACORN’s Political Action Committee, ACORN Votes, announced Feb. 21 that it had endorsed Sen. Barack Obama for President.” (ACORN, “ACORN’s Political Action Committee Endorses Obama,” Press Release, 2/21/08)
Obama Praised ACORN For Being A Good Ally. “When Obama met with ACORN leaders in November, he reminded them of his history with ACORN and his beginnings in Illinois as a Project Vote organizer, a nonprofit focused on voter rights and education. Senator Obama said, ‘I come out of a grassroots organizing background. That’s what I did for three and half years before I went to law school. That’s the reason I moved to Chicago was to organize. So this is something that I know personally, the work you do, the importance of it. I’ve been fighting alongside ACORN on issues you care about my entire career. Even before I was an elected official, when I ran Project Vote voter registration drive in Illinois, ACORN was smack dab in the middle of it, and we appreciate your work.” (Barack Obama 2008 Website, Accessed 10/8/08)
“Obama Worked As Executive Director Of ACORN’s Voter-Registration Arm, Project Vote.” “What’s more, Obama worked as executive director of ACORN’s voter-registration arm, Project Vote, in 1992. Joined by two other community organizers on Chicago’s South Side, Obama conducted the voter-registration drive that helped elect Carol Moseley-Braun to the Senate that year.” (Editorial, “Is ACORN Stealing The Election?” Investor’s Business Daily, 10/8/08)

These people paid no attention to any of the information that was out there during the election, and reason being their chosen media source had no desire to share the information. Even if they knew this information, still some would have voted for him anyway. Don't blame me, I voted for the war hero

war hero....sure!

mtlinscomb · #14 09-11-2009, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob

war hero....sure!

i've figured you out bob. you are skeptical and disagree with anything that leans to the right of middle, regardless the facts. you have taken it upon yourself to dispute the status of mccain being a war hero, and not the fact that your tax dollars going to support an organization channeling resources into setting up whore houses with imported minors as the employees. you are one class act, and simply the reason why it's hard to argue with someone so mentally disturbed

LuciferSam · #15 09-11-2009, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mtlinscomb

i've figured you out bob. you are skeptical and disagree with anything that leans to the right of middle, regardless the facts. you have taken it upon yourself to dispute the status of mccain being a war hero, and not the fact that your tax dollars going to support an organization channeling resources into setting up whore houses with imported minors as the employees. you are one class act, and simply the reason why it's hard to argue with someone so mentally disturbed

His status as a war hero is debatable. Certainly he suffered terribly and exhibited tremendous strength, but does being shot down and captured make one a hero? The presidency is too serious to hand out sympathy votes. I do believe at times McCain exhibited a certain strength of character, but it soon became clear that he lacked the temperament to lead our country. Furthermore, he became a puppet of the extreme right, essentially the Republican party base. As for his running mate, I shudder when I think of that.

full time · #16 09-11-2009, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ChillPill

Where is the outrage? How can this be remotely defended by any American? And it does not matter if you are right, left or polka dotted, this is not acceptable behavior, period. ACORN has access now to 8 BILLION dollars of your taxpayer money from the stimulus package. How can they continue to be supported?

You guys are jumping to conclusions. A large part of ACORN's money is sent to a dilapidated building on Elysian Fields Avenue in New Orleans, La. and those of us from the Big Easy know that no criminal element or activity is present in that part of the City. It's all cool, bro. The ACORN stimulus funds are being properly stored in aluminum foil in a refrigerator/freezer in convicted ex democratic congressman Bill Jefferson's house.

mtlinscomb · #17 09-11-2009, 02:29 PM

Acorn does the same thing every time they are caught red handed. They fire the person and say they weren't a permanent staff member. Where would anyone, permanent staff or non, get the idea that whore house consulting with underage imported help is appropriate if not advised to do so by the company. And, not to mention, with two separate incidences??? This is the same organization that our President is so in bed with it isn't even the slightest bit funny. More so, it is down right disturbing. 8 BILLION DOLLARS PEOPLE

mtlinscomb · #18 09-11-2009, 02:46 PM

Second Video Shows ACORN Officials Helping 'Pimp,' 'Prostitute' in Washington Office

Second Video Shows ACORN Officials Helping 'Pimp,' 'Prostitute' in Washington Office - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com

and yes i know, fox news is your media enemy blah, blah, blah, blow it our your @ss

Andy A. · #19 09-11-2009, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by drivingtheview

No worries..... While the loony birds over at Fox continue to air "false" and "defamatory" ACORN videos, the non-biased news source we all can count on continues to uncover the truth.... such as the terrorist attack on the Potomac today.

Hopefully, the Obama admistration will censure Fox News from spreading anymore biased propaganda

Its too bad you have neither the wherewithall or experience to discern the "false" and "defamatory" from the what is actual.
The non-biased news source, whoever it is, reported a terrorist attack that never happened because they didn't bother to make sure their source was correct and creditable. So why am I not surprised. The mainstream media either doesn't report it or gets it wrong half the time.
And, oh yes, I love your idea of freedom of speech. Let's all censor Fox News because they might tell it like it really is and we think all that don't agree with us should be shut up.
I really admire your idea of how our "freedoms" should be administered. Maybe you should spend some time reading the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

ChillPill · #20 09-11-2009, 03:21 PM

The new video today exposes ACORN D.C. workers advising the couple on how to lie on a housing loan. I'm sure there are additional videos to come in the following weeks, as well as all of the past convictions of fraudulent activities over the years to draw upon. Whatever your political leanings are, it does not matter, you have a voice. YOU are paying them to help teach people how to "efficiently" defraud the government and businesses out of money, and then they turn around and keep getting YOUR 'free' money by the fistfuls, no questions asked. Does anyone see the irony in that? If this were your personal mortgage broker or tax preparer talking this way to you, would you not run out the door and make sure they were put out of business for being fraudulent and corrupt? But wait, since they ARE taking your hard earned tax money... it IS actually your business...

mtlinscomb · #21 09-11-2009, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ChillPill

The new video today exposes ACORN D.C. workers advising the couple on how to lie on a housing loan. I'm sure there are additional videos to come in the following weeks, as well as all of the past convictions of fraudulent activities over the years to draw upon. Whatever your political leanings are, it does not matter, you have a voice. YOU are paying them to help teach people how to "efficiently" defraud the government and businesses out of money, and then they turn around and keep getting YOUR 'free' money by the fistfuls, no questions asked. Does anyone see the irony in that? If this were your personal mortgage broker or tax preparer talking this way to you, would you not run out the door and make sure they were put out of business for being fraudulent and corrupt? But wait, since they ARE taking your hard earned tax money... it IS actually your business...

...but becuase the President is mixed up in Acorn these people would rather sit one their hands, change the topic and put another stupid O bumper sticker on their VW. We better hope we get some change back from the community organizer in chief.

ChillPill · #22 09-11-2009, 06:18 PM

Breaking news: Census Bureau severs all ties with Acorn group with all work they were scheduled to do for, and in preparation of, the 2010 census

Douglas the Intrepid · #23 09-11-2009, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ChillPill

Breaking news: Census Bureau severs all ties with Acorn group with all work they were scheduled to do for, and in preparation of, the 2010 census

Census Bureau severs ties with ACORN in 2010 count - Yahoo! News

Wow, this is all pretty crazy! The part I have difficulty with is the Acorn worker saw no problem with 14 year old sex slaves?!??! That should be an instant call to the police or FBI, not helping them further! Jeez...

Bob · #24 09-12-2009, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mtlinscomb

i've figured you out bob. you are skeptical and disagree with anything that leans to the right of middle, regardless the facts. you have taken it upon yourself to dispute the status of mccain being a war hero, and not the fact that your tax dollars going to support an organization channeling resources into setting up whore houses with imported minors as the employees. you are one class act, and simply the reason why it's hard to argue with someone so mentally disturbed

easy chiefy, mccain got shot down. he was a pow. he isn't a war hero, any more than anyone unlucky enough to be captured.

mtlinscomb · #25 09-12-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob

easy chiefy, mccain got shot down. he was a pow. he isn't a war hero, any more than anyone unlucky enough to be captured.

you really should have you head examined

Bob · #26 09-12-2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mtlinscomb

you really should have you head examined

thank you, you would do well to understand the difference between a war hero and a pow.

Bob · #27 09-12-2009, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mtlinscomb

...but becuase the President is mixed up in Acorn these people would rather sit one their hands, change the topic and put another stupid O bumper sticker on their VW. We better hope we get some change back from the community organizer in chief.

vw? is this something else you don't like? should everyone drive a gas guzzling pickup? how about every numbnuts with an suv volunteer to do a little bleeding in the desert for their country. dick cheney can go first.

FL Dawg · #28 09-12-2009, 02:15 PM

"In October 1967, while on a bombing mission over Hanoi, he was shot down, badly injured, and captured by the North Vietnamese. He was a prisoner of war until 1973. McCain experienced episodes of torture, and refused an out-of-sequence early repatriation offer. "

Bob...it sounds to me like he qualifies as both a POW and a Hero!!!!

Margarita · #29 09-12-2009, 02:22 PM

After John McCain was captured, the Vietnamese offered to let him go after finding out that his father was a high ranking Army officer. John McCain's response was that people who had been kidnapped before him should go first. He was tortured for five years after that.

Bob - you may not like him or his politics but how you can say that he is not a war hero is beyond me.

Rita · #30 09-12-2009, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Margarita

After John McCain was captured, the Vietnamese offered to let him go after finding out that his father was a high ranking Army officer. John McCain's response was that people who had been kidnapped before him should go first. He was tortured for five years after that.

Bob - you may not like him or his politics but how you can say that he is not a war hero is beyond me.

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I agree.
This is what I would consider to be heroic about McCain.
Then again, maybe more technically it would be "honorable", "honest", "fair"? But I think this is what people think about when they refer to him as a hero.

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Bob · #31 09-12-2009, 05:43 PM

Make-Believe Maverick : Rolling Stone VIOLATING THE CODE

Ensconced in Apple's villa in Saigon, McCain and the Times reporter forged a relationship that would prove critical to the ambitious pilot's career in the years ahead. Apple effectively became the charter member of McCain's media "base," an elite corps of admiring reporters who helped create his reputation for "straight talk."

Sipping scotch and reflecting on the fire aboard the Forrestal, McCain sounded like the peaceniks he would pillory after his return from Hanoi. "Now that I've seen what the bombs and napalm did to the people on our ship," he told Apple, "I'm not so sure that I want to drop any more of that stuff on North Vietnam." Here, it seemed, was a frank-talking warrior, one willing to speak out against the military establishment in the name of truth.

But McCain's misgivings about the righteousness of the fight quickly took a back seat to his ambitions. Within days, eager to get his combat career back on track, he put in for a transfer to the carrier USS Oriskany. Two months after the Forrestal fire — following a holiday on the French Riviera — McCain reported for duty in the Gulf of Tonkin.

McCain performed adequately on the Oriskany. On October 25th, 1967, he bombed a pair of Soviet MiGs parked on an airfield outside Hanoi. His record was now even. Enemy planes destroyed by McCain: two. American planes destroyed by McCain: two.

The next day, McCain embarked on his fateful 23rd mission, a bombing raid on a power plant in downtown Hanoi. McCain had cajoled his way onto the strike force — there were medals up for grabs. The plant had recently been rebuilt after a previous bombing run that had earned two of the lead pilots Navy Crosses, one of the force's top honors.

It was a dangerous mission — taking the planes into the teeth of North Vietnam's fiercest anti-aircraft defenses. As the planes entered Hanoi airspace, they were instantly enveloped in dark clouds of flak and surface-to-air missiles. Still cocky from the previous day's kills, McCain took the biggest gamble of his life. As he dived in on the target in his A-4, his surface-to-air missile warning system sounded: A SAM had a lock on him. "I knew I should roll out and fly evasive maneuvers," McCain writes. "The A-4 is a small, fast" aircraft that "can outmaneuver a tracking SAM."

But McCain didn't "jink." Instead, he stayed on target and let fly his bombs — just as the SAM blew his wing off.

To watch the Republican National Convention and listen to Fred Thompson's account of John McCain's internment in Vietnam, you would think that McCain never gave his captors anything beyond his name, rank, service number and, under duress, the names of the Green Bay Packers offensive line. His time in Hanoi, we're to understand, steeled the man — transforming him from a fighter jock who put himself first into a patriot who would henceforth selflessly serve the public good.

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There is no question that McCain suffered hideously in North Vietnam. His ejection over a lake in downtown Hanoi broke his knee and both his arms. During his capture, he was bayoneted in the ankle and the groin, and had his shoulder smashed by a rifle butt. His tormentors dragged McCain's broken body to a cell and seemed content to let him expire from his injuries. For the next two years, there were few days that he was not in agony.

But the subsequent tale of McCain's mistreatment — and the transformation it is alleged to have produced — are both deeply flawed. The Code of Conduct that governed POWs was incredibly rigid; few soldiers lived up to its dictate that they "give no information . . . which might be harmful to my comrades." Under the code, POWs are bound to give only their name, rank, date of birth and service number — and to make no "statements disloyal to my country."

Soon after McCain hit the ground in Hanoi, the code went out the window. "I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital," he later admitted pleading with his captors. McCain now insists the offer was a bluff, designed to fool the enemy into giving him medical treatment. In fact, his wounds were attended to only after the North Vietnamese discovered that his father was a Navy admiral. What has never been disclosed is the manner in which they found out: McCain told them. According to Dramesi, one of the few POWs who remained silent under years of torture, McCain tried to justify his behavior while they were still prisoners. "I had to tell them," he insisted to Dramesi, "or I would have died in bed."

Dramesi says he has no desire to dishonor McCain's service, but he believes that celebrating the downed pilot's behavior as heroic — "he wasn't exceptional one way or the other" — has a corrosive effect on military discipline. "This business of my country before my life?" Dramesi says. "Well, he had that opportunity and failed miserably. If it really were country first, John McCain would probably be walking around without one or two arms or legs — or he'd be dead."

Once the Vietnamese realized they had captured the man they called the "crown prince," they had every motivation to keep McCain alive. His value as a propaganda tool and bargaining chip was far greater than any military intelligence he could provide, and McCain knew it. "It was hard not to see how pleased the Vietnamese were to have captured an admiral's son," he writes, "and I knew that my father's identity was directly related to my survival." But during the course of his medical treatment, McCain followed through on his offer of military information. Only two weeks after his capture, the North Vietnamese press issued a report — picked up by The New York Times — in which McCain was quoted as saying that the war was "moving to the advantage of North Vietnam and the United States appears to be isolated." He also provided the name of his ship, the number of raids he had flown, his squadron number and the target of his final raid.

THE CONFESSION

In the company of his fellow POWs, and later in isolation, McCain slowly and miserably recovered from his wounds. In June 1968, after three months in solitary, he was offered what he calls early release. In the official McCain narrative, this was the ultimate test of mettle. He could have come home, but keeping faith with his fellow POWs, he chose to remain imprisoned in Hanoi.

What McCain glosses over is that accepting early release would have required him to make disloyal statements that would have violated the military's Code of Conduct. If he had done so, he could have risked court-martial and an ignominious end to his military career. "Many of us were given this offer," according to Butler, McCain's classmate who was also taken prisoner. "It meant speaking out against your country and lying about your treatment to the press. You had to 'admit' that the U.S. was criminal and that our treatment was 'lenient and humane.' So I, like numerous others, refused the offer."

"He makes it sound like it was a great thing to have accomplished," says Dramesi. "A great act of discipline or strength. That simply was not the case." In fairness, it is difficult to judge McCain's experience as a POW; throughout most of his incarceration he was the only witness to his mistreatment. Parts of his memoir recounting his days in Hanoi read like a bad Ian Fleming novel, with his Vietnamese captors cast as nefarious Bond villains. On the Fourth of July 1968, when he rejected the offer of early release, an officer nicknamed "Cat" got so mad, according to McCain, that he snapped a pen he was holding, splattering ink across the room.

"They taught you too well, Mac Kane," Cat snarled, kicking over a chair. "They taught you too well."

The brutal interrogations that followed produced results. In August 1968, over the course of four days, McCain was tortured into signing a confession that he was a "black criminal" and an "air pirate."

"John allows the media to make him out to be the hero POW, which he knows is absolutely not true, to further his political goals," says Butler. "John was just one of about 600 guys. He was nothing unusual. He was just another POW."

McCain has also allowed the media to believe that his torture lasted for the entire time he was in Hanoi. At the Republican convention, Fred Thompson said of McCain's torture, "For five and a half years this went on." In fact, McCain's torture ended after two years, when the death of Ho Chi Minh in September 1969 caused the Vietnamese to change the way they treated POWs. "They decided it would be better to treat us better and keep us alive so they could trade us in for real estate," Butler recalls.

By that point, McCain had become the most valuable prisoner of all: His father was now directing the war effort as commander in chief of all U.S. forces in the Pacific. McCain spent the next three and a half years in Hanoi biding his time, trying to put on weight and regain his strength, as the bombing ordered by his father escalated. By the time he and other POWs were freed in March 1973 as a result of the Paris Peace Accords, McCain was able to leave the prison camp in Hanoi on his own feet.

Even those in the military who celebrate McCain's patriotism and sacrifice question why his POW experience has been elevated as his top qualification to be commander in chief. "It took guts to go through that and to come out reasonably intact and able to pick up the pieces of your life and move on," says Wilkerson, Colin Powell's former chief of staff, who has known McCain since the 1980s. "It is unquestionably a demonstration of the character of the man. But I don't think that it is a special qualification for being president of the United States. In some respects, I'm not sure that's the kind of character I want sitting in the Oval Office. I'm not sure that much time in a prisoner-of-war status doesn't do something to you. Doesn't do something to you psychologically, doesn't do something to you that might make you a little more volatile, a little less apt to listen to reason, a little more inclined to be volcanic in your temperament.

Bob · #32 09-12-2009, 05:46 PM

pow....not a war hero. the first waves on the beach at normandy....HEROES.....anyone that survived the bataan death march.....HEROES....

Miss Kitty · #33 09-12-2009, 06:16 PM

acorn = bunch o' nuts?

sunspotbaby · #34 09-12-2009, 06:19 PM

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acorn = bunch o' nuts?

There's only one thing wrong with this miss Kitty....the punctuation.

mtlinscomb · #35 09-14-2009, 10:56 AM

Acorn is considering suing Fox, yet they fired their workers caught in the sting. Brilliant!

ChillPill · #36 09-14-2009, 11:15 AM

Breaking News: Third video released today, Acorn exposed again, this time in NYC. Same scenario as others, except that they recommended that the prostitute open several different bank accounts and only deposit $500 at a time, so as not to alert authorities, and even bury her cash under the house.

Can we not all agree there are better places to spend this money than in support of such a corrupt morally inept organization.

Margarita · #37 09-14-2009, 01:26 PM

[quote=ChillPill;609685]Breaking News: Third video released today, Acorn exposed again, this time in NYC. Same scenario as others, except that they recommended that the prostitute open several different bank accounts and only deposit $500 at a time, so as not to alert authorities, and even bury her cash under the house.

Can we not all agree there are better places to spend this money than in support of such a corrupt morally inept organization.[/QUOTE]

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!! Bring on the Congressional investigations

Margarita · #38 09-14-2009, 08:54 PM

Breaking News - Senate votes to cut off funding for Acorn

Hot Air » Blog Archive » Breaking: Senate votes to cut off federal funding for ACORN; Update: Child-Whoring Pimp Assistance 7 identified; Update: Brooklyn DA “taking a look”; Update: ACORN disappointed

30ashopper · #39 09-14-2009, 10:16 PM

..and the seven democrats who feel an organization like this deserves continued taxpayer funding -

Dick Durbin (D-IL)
Roland Burris (D-IL)
Robert Casey (D-PA)
Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY)
Patrick Leahy (D-VT)
Bernie Sanders (I-VT)
Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI)

On we go to Nanci Pelosi's House for a vote..

poppy · #40 09-15-2009, 04:05 AM

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Breaking News: Third video released today, Acorn exposed again, this time in NYC. Same scenario as others, except that they recommended that the prostitute open several different bank accounts and only deposit $500 at a time, so as not to alert authorities, and even bury her cash under the house.

Can we not all agree there are better places to spend this money than in support of such a corrupt morally inept organization.[/QUOTE]

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!! Bring on the Congressional investigations

Yes, I agree 100%, we should investigate fraud and wrongdoing and if those perpertrators are found guilty they should be punished. The only problem I see is that some on the right want to be selective in their pursuits. Any talk of investigating crimes in the former administration is viewed as a witch hunt. Those who authorized and carried out torture are viewed as heros. A no bid contract to a former Vice Presidents company which resulted in massive over billing to the taxpayers for shoddy work that killed some of our men and women and sometimes no work done at all is viewed as part of doing business in wartime. Losing anywhere from 9 to 20 billion in cash in Iraq is seen as no big deal. Let's treat them all the same and get to bottom of these scandals and let those responsible fall no matter on which side of the aisle they may stand.

Margarita · #41 09-15-2009, 08:15 AM

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Yes, I agree 100%, we should investigate fraud and wrongdoing and if those perpertrators are found guilty they should be punished. The only problem I see is that some on the right want to be selective in their pursuits. Any talk of investigating crimes in the former administration is viewed as a witch hunt. Those who authorized and carried out torture are viewed as heros. A no bid contract to a former Vice Presidents company which resulted in massive over billing to the taxpayers for shoddy work that killed some of our men and women and sometimes no work done at all is viewed as part of doing business in wartime. Losing anywhere from 9 to 20 billion in cash in Iraq is seen as no big deal. Let's treat them all the same and get to bottom of these scandals and let those responsible fall no matter on which side of the aisle they may stand.

I am with you 100% on this one. We have got to get rid of the waste, fraud, and corruption on both sides!!

ChillPill · #42 09-15-2009, 09:52 AM

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I am with you 100% on this one. We have got to get rid of the waste, fraud, and corruption on both sides!!

Agree 100%. I'm not Left, I'm not Right, I'm SENSIBLE. The corruption is out of hand on both sides.

ChillPill · #43 09-15-2009, 10:02 AM

Well, a FOURTH video of Acorn is out today. This one will blow your mind. (No link just yet but will post one). To make it even more interesting, the prostitute said to Acorn worker that she'd like to educate all of those underage children [she was bringing over from El Salvador to become prostitutes] so that they could get loans through Acorn Housing later on and run their own "Brothels". The Acorn worker replied 'now dont educate them too much, then they wont need you at all, just teach them as little as possible to get by'. Then the pimp asked how he could legally fund political campaigns using these underage kids...and Acorn proceeded to guide them on just how to do that...and gave them names of the senators and congressmen who supported Acorn (the "non partisan" group). The prostitute then stated she had murdered people. {Edit to correct: The ACORN worker stated she had actually shot and killed her boyfriend} in an exchange of stories between worker and prostitute.

It might be interesting to note that the Teachers Union donated 1.7 million dollars to Acorn last year. Wish we could get that money back. So many good things could be done for the children in the schools with this money.

P.S. When Charlie Gibson of ABC news was asked to give a comment about the videos of Acorn today, he replied he had never heard of any of them. What is going on with the media?

mtlinscomb · #44 09-15-2009, 01:22 PM

You can go to CNN and MSNBC's web sites and not find one mention of this story. Patrick Swayze's death, Kanye West, the shoe thrower says he was tortured, but not one d@mn mention of these videos, the Senate pulling their funding and their elimination from their involvement in the census. They so desparately are trying to keep this story from getting one shred of attachment to the President. Think if Bush would have had the same level of involvement with ACORN. There would be so many hearings and investigations already underway. Hell, his people are getting investigated for waterboarding the mastermind behind 3,000 deaths that happened on our soil. You dems have awoken a sleeping giant, and you aren't going to like it one bit when we start investigating Obama. I'll beat you to the punch of when it happens by saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're all racists. Pretty soon there will be a smiley face making the jerking motion...and it will be the perfect response to the knee jerk, played out comments about dissent = racist.

LuciferSam · #45 09-15-2009, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mtlinscomb

You can go to CNN and MSNBC's web sites and not find one mention of this story. Patrick Swayze's death, Kanye West, the shoe thrower says he was tortured, but not one d@mn mention of these videos, the Senate pulling their funding and their elimination from their involvement in the census. They so desparately are trying to keep this story from getting one shred of attachment to the President. Think if Bush would have had the same level of involvement with ACORN. There would be so many hearings and investigations already underway. Hell, his people are getting investigated for waterboarding the mastermind behind 3,000 deaths that happened on our soil. You dems have awoken a sleeping giant, and you aren't going to like it one bit when we start investigating Obama. I'll beat you to the punch of when it happens by saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're all racists. Pretty soon there will be a smiley face making the jerking motion...and it will be the perfect response to the knee jerk, played out comments about dissent = racist.

If there's evidence of Obama's wrongdoing bring it on. Til then looks like you'll be the only one in suspense.

poppy · #46 09-15-2009, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mtlinscomb

You can go to CNN and MSNBC's web sites and not find one mention of this story. Patrick Swayze's death, Kanye West, the shoe thrower says he was tortured, but not one d@mn mention of these videos, the Senate pulling their funding and their elimination from their involvement in the census. They so desparately are trying to keep this story from getting one shred of attachment to the President. Think if Bush would have had the same level of involvement with ACORN. There would be so many hearings and investigations already underway. Hell, his people are getting investigated for waterboarding the mastermind behind 3,000 deaths that happened on our soil. You dems have awoken a sleeping giant, and you aren't going to like it one bit when we start investigating Obama. I'll beat you to the punch of when it happens by saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're all racists. Pretty soon there will be a smiley face making the jerking motion...and it will be the perfect response to the knee jerk, played out comments about dissent = racist.

You're going to start investigating Obama? You? What the hell are you going to do? If you have the power why don't you take things in their proper order and investigate the last Administration. I'm sure you are equally upset with Halliburton and affiliated companies and Blackwater to start with. There is plenty of investigating on these companies to keep you busy untill this story unfolds.

Andy A. · #47 09-15-2009, 03:50 PM

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I have no problem with ACORN being investigated, where in the hell do you read where I do. I would just like for the many war profiteers to be examined a bit closer. The amount of money you are so concerned about is pocket change compared to these guys. They have been raping us with someones help in power and I believe the blame falls on both sides. But if it makes you feel better to go after ACORN first I could care less, I'm not here to defend them.

Did I ever say I never watch Fox News? If all they broadcast is propaganda why do you watch them?

I pulled that post because I did not think it was proper but you answered it so quickly it was a futile effort. I think you put way to much emphasis on private contractors in Iraq but that is a personal opinion just as yours is. I think, if I remember correctly and it is possible I don't, 7 Billion to ACORN is a lot of money. Regardless of the amount, from every report I've seen, sketchy though they may be, they don't deserve one penny!

mtlinscomb · #48 09-15-2009, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by poppy

You're going to start investigating Obama? You? What the hell are you going to do? If you have the power why don't you take things in their proper order and investigate the last Administration. I'm sure you are equally upset with Halliburton and affiliated companies and Blackwater to start with. There is plenty of investigating on these companies to keep you busy untill this story unfolds.

Ahhh, the tough guy. It's not a question of the word you're. Whether you like it or not you and I are both part of the royal we (Lebowski rip off

). The same royal we that has taken it upon itself to investigate our CIA, is the same royal we that will investigate the illegal government takeover of certain auto and banking companies, illegal firing of IG's and the channeling of millions into a whore house consulting firm. Only you won't like that one because your are emotionally invested in the new President's plan to have the government become a bigger part of your life. The seesaw tilts back and forth but one side has become very heavy in the recent months...writing their elected officials, calling, yelling, marching on Washington and downright screaming to be heard. If you think it was a great accomplishment that the left side of the royal we pushed government to investigate the CIA, just wait until the right side of the royal we shoves the microscope inside the current circus happening outside our windows!

On to your second point...the same people that always get worked up about Haliburton would never get worked up over Gore pushing BS global warming while owning his carbon offset company Generation Investment Management. The plan is simply to globally tax us into submission over something that hasn't been scientifically proven, only for him to bank his everloving nutz off...but what the hey it's only getting colder by the day with a continuous stream of scientists yelling that this scam is complete BS, but you can't see past the neat little green sticker on the back of your prius. Again, I'm all for protecting the environment, but you'll have to put a better scam together than that cr@p to get me to stop pulling my boat around with my truck.

poppy · #49 09-15-2009, 04:51 PM

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I pulled that post because I did not think it was proper but you answered it so quickly it was a futile effort. I think you put way to much emphasis on private contractors in Iraq but that is a personal opinion just as yours is. I think, if I remember correctly and it is possible I don't, 7 Billion to ACORN is a lot of money. Regardless of the amount, from every report I've seen, sketchy though they may be, they don't deserve one penny!

That must have been some incredible timing, I logged on and saw your post, answered it and moved on.

I believe it was established on this or another thread that ACORN has recieved between $30 and $50 million dollars, not anywhere near the $7 billion that has been claimed. If there are some in the organization guilty of crimes I say charge them, go to trail and let the courts decide their fate. I am going to reserve judgement of the whole organization until more comes to light. I feel the same way towards the private contractors, the majority of them have and are doing good work.

poppy · #50 09-15-2009, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mtlinscomb

Ahhh, the tough guy. It's not a question of the word you're. Whether you like it or not you and I are both part of the royal we (Lebowski rip off

). The same royal we that has taken it upon itself to investigate our CIA, is the same royal we that will investigate the illegal government takeover of certain auto and banking companies, illegal firing of IG's and the channeling of millions into a whore house consulting firm. Only you won't like that one because your are emotionally invested in the new President's plan to have the government become a bigger part of your life. The seesaw tilts back and forth but one side has become very heavy in the recent months...writing their elected officials, calling, yelling, marching on Washington and downright screaming to be heard. If you think it was a great accomplishment that the left side of the royal we pushed government to investigate the CIA, just wait until the right side of the royal we shoves the microscope inside the current circus happening outside our windows!

On to your second point...the same people that always get worked up about Haliburton would never get worked up over Gore pushing BS global warming while owning his carbon offset company Generation Investment Management. The plan is simply to globally tax us into submission over something that hasn't been scientifically proven, only for him to bank his everloving nutz off...but what the hey it's only getting colder by the day with a continuous stream of scientists yelling that this scam is complete BS, but you can't see past the neat little green sticker on the back of your prius. Again, I'm all for protecting the environment, but you'll have to put a better scam together than that cr@p to get me to stop pulling my boat around with my truck.

That was a damn good movie.

Investigations don't bother me so much as one group claiming witch hunt while screaming for investigations for their opponents. If there are going to be investigations at least take them in order. I wouldn't want someone cheated out of their place in line and - I have a Prius?