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Old 12-17-2009, 01:50 PM   #1
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Glucosamine and Chondroitin??

For a bad canine joint, does this combination really work? Sweet Pea stretches before our walks and that helps, but she is getting crickety in colder weather.....it's just one joint that appears to have an old wound scar.

I don't like seeing her in pain

If you have tried this, please let me know how it worked for your pooch! Thank you in advance!
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For a bad canine joint, does this combination really work? Sweet Pea stretches before our walks and that helps, but she is getting crickety in colder weather.....it's just one joint that appears to have an old wound scar.

I don't like seeing her in pain

If you have tried this, please let me know how it worked for your pooch! Thank you in advance!
Oh most definitely. My little John had terrible back pain, arthritis, and the vet prescribed the combination you listed. It does take about 4 - 6 weeks before you notice any relief. But it really helped him. He almost became puppy-like. Hopping and scampering around.

We just used a human store brand. Your vet will advise you on the dosage. There are some guidelines you should follow but i don't remember what they were.

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I buy our dog's joint tablets on Buy Discount Vitamins, Supplements, Low Carb and More at www.Vitacost.com, and they do seem to work. If the problem is severe, you can speak with your vet about Adequan injections. Originally developed for horses, Adequan is a very concentrated glucosamine injected at the site, and if I remember correctly, can actually grow cartilage. Treatment is more frequent at first, maybe once or twice weekly for a couple of weeks, then tapering off to about once a month.

I've also found a natural pain reliever called DGP (for Dog Gone Pain) that seems to work well for her, too, and does not have the implications for liver damage that some of the presciption stuff does. Check Amazon for best price.
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I buy our dog's joint tablets on Buy Discount Vitamins, Supplements, Low Carb and More at www.Vitacost.com, and they do seem to work. If the problem is severe, you can speak with your vet about Adequan injections. Originally developed for horses, Adequan is a very concentrated glucosamine injected at the site, and if I remember correctly, can actually grow cartilage. Treatment is more frequent at first, maybe once or twice weekly for a couple of weeks, then tapering off to about once a month.

I've also found a natural pain reliever called DGP (for Dog Gone Pain) that seems to work well for her, too, and does not have the implications for liver damage that some of the presciption stuff does. Check Amazon for best price.
wow, i kinda want some of this for myself.
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I've heard this combo mentioned for people too. Thanks for bringing this up as i hadn't thought about it for my Rott. He squeals occasionally too, and it happens more when the weather is cold. : (
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OK, I will try it for her. I could say the phrase that gets her excited for a walk, but then that would be torture because we can't possibly take ten walks/day. I've been trying to teach her the phrase, "You gotta stretch," every time she stands up. And, she's starting to get it, especially when I try to show her........then, I get sloppy kisses and she just wants to play, hobbling around!
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OK, I will try it for her. I could say the phrase that gets her excited for a walk, but then that would be torture because we can't possibly take ten walks/day. I've been trying to teach her the phrase, "You gotta stretch," every time she stands up. And, she's starting to get it, especially when I try to show her........then, I get sloppy kisses and she just wants to play, hobbling around!

I'm just picturing this...
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I'm just picturing this...
I started taking FlexiCose about 6 months ago, it is a liquid glucosamine that is supposed to work faster. They advertise use for pets, I am better, cant say that this stuff actually helped but I know that something did. This is the website, they process the orders quickly, usually have it in 2 days.

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I'm just picturing this...

I do yoga, Sweet Pea does doga.......at least teaching her to doga on command.....we'll see how this goes. I just got in and she hobbled while I did a stretch, then she went to bed.


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I started taking FlexiCose about 6 months ago, it is a liquid glucosamine that is supposed to work faster. They advertise use for pets, I am better, cant say that this stuff actually helped but I know that something did. This is the website, they process the orders quickly, usually have it in 2 days.

Liquid Glucosamine Arthritis, Liquid Glucosamine Arthritis Stiff Joints - Flexicose Liquid Glucosamine Safe Arthritis Pain Relief For People Pets Dogs Cats

Thank you, croixbum! I think liquid will be easier. I will try it.
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my Vet recommends it, it is in my dog's food. Much easier that way.
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Smile Chondra Flex Dog Chews

My dalmatian started slowing down (just a little) and her knees began creaking around 10 or 11 years old. Dr. Kempa of Best Friends Vetinary in Freeport suggested Chondro-Flex DS. The great thing about these are that they are soft chew treats and all dogs seem to love them. We found it much more convenient than trying to get them to eat pills every day. As far as results, I don't hear her knees creak anymore and soon after we started using them she was running around like a puppy again! She's 13 now, still loving life and I truly believe it is because of her yummy medicine! Below is a link to the product. We purchase a tub half this size (120 chews) for about $35 from Dr. Kempa. For 70ish pounds, we give 2 per day so a tub lasts 2 months. I highly recommend this product!!

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I was thinking that glucosamine came from sources like red meat and bones, and since I could use a little joint lubrication myself, I just googled these. I found an interesting quick read at Sources of Glucosamine & Chondroitin

Here is an exert: "Don't be fooled by the price or size of the pills because what counts is quality not quantity. Be an informed consumer and research the brand of chondroitin or glucosamine your interested in. This quick research can make a world of a difference in terms of decreasing your joint pain and discomfort."

By the way, in the two articles I read, there is conflicting information, so be sure to read several sources to see if you can get the real scoop.

From Glucosamine/Chondroitin: Introduction :
"There are no food sources of glucosamine. The only natural sources are in your body and in chitin (the exoskeleton of shellfish -- crab, lobster, shrimp, and so on)."

This could be important (if true) if you are allergic to shellfish and the glucosamine label says it comes from natural sources.
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My dalmatian started slowing down (just a little) and her knees began creaking around 10 or 11 years old. Dr. Kempa of Best Friends Vetinary in Freeport suggested Chondro-Flex DS. The great thing about these are that they are soft chew treats and all dogs seem to love them. We found it much more convenient than trying to get them to eat pills every day. As far as results, I don't hear her knees creak anymore and soon after we started using them she was running around like a puppy again! She's 13 now, still loving life and I truly believe it is because of her yummy medicine! Below is a link to the product. We purchase a tub half this size (120 chews) for about $35 from Dr. Kempa. For 70ish pounds, we give 2 per day so a tub lasts 2 months. I highly recommend this product!!

Vitality Vet for Dogs & Cats - Chondro Flex DS (240 Chews)

Thank you! I have a lot of research to do!


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I was thinking that glucosamine came from sources like red meat and bones, and since I could use a little joint lubrication myself, I just googled these. I found an interesting quick read at Sources of Glucosamine & Chondroitin

Here is an exert: "Don't be fooled by the price or size of the pills because what counts is quality not quantity. Be an informed consumer and research the brand of chondroitin or glucosamine your interested in. This quick research can make a world of a difference in terms of decreasing your joint pain and discomfort."

By the way, in the two articles I read, there is conflicting information, so be sure to read several sources to see if you can get the real scoop.

From Glucosamine/Chondroitin: Introduction :
"There are no food sources of glucosamine. The only natural sources are in your body and in chitin (the exoskeleton of shellfish -- crab, lobster, shrimp, and so on)."

This could be important (if true) if you are allergic to shellfish and the glucosamine label says it comes from natural sources.
Sweet Pea loves digging around in the trash for shrimp and lobster shells; this might be the ticket!
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It is. It's about $100 for a 3 months, a bit much, but she feels so much better. It's worth it!
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We had people and dogs on glucosamine for years - dunno how much it helps, but it doesn't hurt.
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Deramaxx is a NSAID, not a joint supplement. It is awesome for joint pain and doesn't have as many bad side effects of other pain relievers. Our old blue heeler was on it for the last 3 years of his life, and would not have been able to get up without it. He was beyond the help of gluc/chondroitin therapy, and just needed good pain relief.
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Google "Tumeric" for dogs.....

and "chicken feet" often used in asian cooking is a natural source of chondroitin.

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and "chicken feet" often used in asian cooking is a natural source of chondroitin.
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FTLofSweet Pea, I will try the feets. I will probably get sick, but will try it.....who knew you could buy these at WalMart????? Thank you, TCline!
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FTLofSweet Pea, I will try the feets. I will probably get sick, but will try it.....who knew you could buy these at WalMart????? Thank you, TCline!
kind of creepy. I'll bet Piggly Wiggly has them too. They would have whole pig heads in there...tongues, ears, feet. I'm sure they had chicken feet too.
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Deramaxx is a NSAID, not a joint supplement. It is awesome for joint pain and doesn't have as many bad side effects of other pain relievers. Our old blue heeler was on it for the last 3 years of his life, and would not have been able to get up without it. He was beyond the help of gluc/chondroitin therapy, and just needed good pain relief.
jdarg, does this work quickly? I think Sweet Pea is being a trooper and is happy, but has some pain and I prefer to have her on something holistic. I will try the chemical if it will work quickly to relieve her discomfort (not to mention, it's breaking my heart to see).

I also believe in puppy chiropractics and puppy massage and will be searching for both in Buckhead.

She has been on liquid glucosamine/chondroitin since Sunday and she loves it, but I don't think it's working quickly enough.

If anyone knows of a holistic cocktail safe for canines, please let me know! Thank you and Merry Christmas......woof, woof!
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jdarg, does this work quickly? I think Sweet Pea is being a trooper and is happy, but has some pain and I prefer to have her on something holistic. I will try the chemical if it will work quickly to relieve her discomfort (not to mention, it's breaking my heart to see).

I also believe in puppy chiropractics and puppy massage and will be searching for both in Buckhead.

She has been on liquid glucosamine/chondroitin since Sunday and she loves it, but I don't think it's working quickly enough.

If anyone knows of a holistic cocktail safe for canines, please let me know! Thank you and Merry Christmas......woof, woof!
Lynnie, the glucosamine/chondroitin will take about 4 - 6 weeks. Maybe sooner.

The dermaxx, like jdarg says, is for "end stage" relief. Or at least it was for my little John. But it sure did help him the last 8 months of his life. Didn't make him any more flexible but it just helped with the actual joint pain. It's not holistic but it was worth it.

Good luck to Sweet Pea.
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Lynnie, the glucosamine/chondroitin will take about 4 - 6 weeks. Maybe sooner.

The dermaxx, like jdarg says, is for "end stage" relief. Or at least it was for my little John. But it sure did help him the last 8 months of his life. Didn't make him any more flexible but it just helped with the actual joint pain. It's not holistic but it was worth it.

Good luck to Sweet Pea.
Thank you. Our Farmer's Market at the Cathedral just had their last day this past Sat. and won't start back up until March. I can have a farmer bring us chicken feet every week, but finding that in town is going to be tough, I think.

I am tempted to try ibuprofen, but don't want her to get poopy butt either.
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Old 12-23-2009, 07:16 PM   #28
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Thank you. Our Farmer's Market at the Cathedral just had their last day this past Sat. and won't start back up until March. I can have a farmer bring us chicken feet every week, but finding that in town is going to be tough, I think.

I am tempted to try ibuprofen, but don't want her to get poopy butt either.
Hey, try to find an Hispanic market for the chicken feet. We go to one around here that has the best homemade salsa and I see those cute little chicken feet all packaged up in the meat section.
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Old 12-23-2009, 08:56 PM   #29
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jdarg, does this work quickly? I think Sweet Pea is being a trooper and is happy, but has some pain and I prefer to have her on something holistic. I will try the chemical if it will work quickly to relieve her discomfort (not to mention, it's breaking my heart to see).

I also believe in puppy chiropractics and puppy massage and will be searching for both in Buckhead.

She has been on liquid glucosamine/chondroitin since Sunday and she loves it, but I don't think it's working quickly enough.

If anyone knows of a holistic cocktail safe for canines, please let me know! Thank you and Merry Christmas......woof, woof!
Go see your vet- they are the ones that need to figure out what is going on and the best course of treatment. If Sweetpea is young, then starting on a course of glucosamin/chond may be the option, with some pain relief thrown in until the joint supplements kick in. It take sometimes 6 weeks for the joint supps to start working- they are not instant pain relief. If Sweetpea is in pain, tell your vet, and get some Deramaxx or whatever they recommend. Most dogs will do fine with Deramaxx, but I am sure if you do a search on the internet, you will find plenty of people who have a story to tell, just like every drug and medical procedure on the planet. I personally see doctors and vets because I am not a medical professional and trust THEIR opinion- if not, why bother?

Drugs aren't always bad, and especially with an older dog, I would never mess around with anything that was not vet approved -I am not a vet, and I am not going to mess around with stuff that I don't get from my vet, period. My animals are treated like my kids, and I don't mess around. If they are in pain, get them to the vet, and if necessary, give them the big guns and let them feel good, especially if they are older and the potential side effects are the lesser evil of just being old and wanting some pain relief. When I am old and in pain, God help the person that tries to diagnose my problems that is not my doctor!

Sorry for the rant- I just have never understood trying every alternative med under the sun before trying tried and true medical treatment- I don't feel qualified to diagnose and treat our children and animals.

And never give dogs ibuprofen or Tylenol! Coated aspirin, like Ecotrin, or baby aspirin only.

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Go see your vet- they are the ones that need to figure out what is going on and the best course of treatment. If Sweetpea is young, then starting on a course of glucosamin/chond may be the option, with some pain relief thrown in until the joint supplements kick in. It take sometimes 6 weeks for the joint supps to start working- they are not instant pain relief. If Sweetpea is in pain, tell your vet, and get some Deramaxx or whatever they recommend. Most dogs will do fine with Deramaxx, but I am sure if you do a search on the internet, you will find plenty of people who have a story to tell, just like every drug and medical procedure on the planet. I personally see doctors and vets because I am not a medical professional and trust THEIR opinion- if not, why bother?

Drugs aren't always bad, and especially with an older dog, I would never mess around with anything that was not vet approved -I am not a vet, and I am not going to mess around with stuff that I don't get from my vet, period. My animals are treated like my kids, and I don't mess around. If they are in pain, get them to the vet, and if necessary, give them the big guns and let them feel good, especially if they are older and the potential side effects are the lesser evil of just being old and wanting some pain relief. When I am old and in pain, God help the person that tries to diagnose my problems that is not my doctor!

Sorry for the rant- I just have never understood trying every alternative med under the sun before trying tried and true medical treatment- I don't feel qualified to diagnose and treat our children and animals.

And never give dogs ibuprofen or Tylenol! Coated aspirin, like Ecotrin, or baby aspirin only.

Actually, my Vet is coming to my home as I am not going to have Sweet Pea jump into the Ho. We will go holistic, but might start with a cortizone shot for quick relief and then the natural meds. I've had two cortizone shots myself and I will have to be talked into this for her. Thanks for your rant!! And, hope Y'all have a Merry Christmas!!
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Hey, try to find an Hispanic market for the chicken feet. We go to one around here that has the best homemade salsa and I see those cute little chicken feet all packaged up in the meat section.
Great idea - we have an Asian Market just north of my house. And, they carry all kinds of strange stuff in there. Thank you! She was feeling better this morning - gave her a massage last night and a pain reliever.
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I used to get Cosequin from the vet and paid upwards to a 100.00$ and always had wonderful results. Came to find out it was merely glucosamine & chondroitin and could be purchased at a fraction of the cost. Because it was not flavored, I anticipated a struggle getting it down, but was pleasantly surprised when the dog gobbled it up. Curious, I popped one in my mouth, chewed it up and was surprised, it was not medicinal tasting, but actually sweet. Shake the pill bottle and everybody comes a runnin'.
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Thank you, Ellie.

Y'all, guess who isn't hobbling and feels immensely better this afternoon? And, I found chicken feet at the Asian Farmer's Market - yep, they are open tomorrow and I can stop by on my way out of town! Incidentally, the Asian Butcher (??) concurred at how good these are for dog joints!! Wahoo~~~~~~
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