htjhs8

besides having a "real" 4wd vehicle......

what is required to register your vehicle?

1. florida vehicle registration ?
2. proof of insurance ?
3. proof of florida address ?

just wondering......thks

jodiFL

You have to OWN property in Walton county and bring proof, vehicle registration and they will walk out to your vehicle to make sure it IS 4wd. The lady told me you would be surprised how many people want one for their cars etc like its some kind of bumper sticker.

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wrobert

Another ordinance in direct violation of the US Constitution. Full faith and credit......baby!

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ShallowsNole

And your alternative is to close the beach to driving altogether?

In case you didn't notice, some of us have difficulty trodding through knee-deep soft sand, even before alcohol becomes involved.

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SWGB

Apparently it was the car accessory in ATL for a while.

So any other state in the union has the ability to issue these stickers and Walton county must accept them?

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Miss Kitty

Stop being a right fendered lug nut job.

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Lynnie

[quote=SWGB;560431]Apparently it was the car accessory in ATL for a while.

You know? I did see several with a bunch of the beach permits strategically placed on the window so that you could see the number of permits.......i.e. number of years! It was an elitist club for certain!

Funny you mention that.........

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jodiFL

I told her she should just go ahead and take the money to pad the county coffers. Then let local businesses make $$ pulling those Lexus' and BMWs off the beach. Hey if they want to pay $100 for a bumper sticker.....

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wrobert

Well really they should. Would be the best thing for the environment that everyone proclaims to wanting to protect.

But I am a realist and they do make around a million a year on those stickers. So if they are going to sell them, then they need to sell them. To anyone that wants to buy them.

As for the walking thing, I offered to push you.

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wrobert

Well I believe that the whole owning property requirement is a bit over the top, it does not say how much property. So if you need to own some Walton County property, let me know, I can fix you up with a sq foot to meet requirement. While you will have to pay the county annually for the permit, you can buy me off just once.

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ShallowsNole

Doesn't matter how much property, or where in Walton County it is. My teenage son could legitimately buy a permit (IF he had a 4WD) since his name is on a deed to a small piece of the farm.

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wrobert

That is the way I am figuring it. So I guess I will sell some land for a $100 a sq ft. and let people get them a beach permit so they can go down there and destroy the ecosystem like the rest of us.

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30ashopper

All I needed was my drivers license. She looked up my jeep registration / property ownership on the computer. No inspection was needed.

scooterbug44

Eat some prunes already!

Nothing wrong with the requirement that you own land to get a beach permit. As you pointed out, someone could own a square foot and get a permit.

And the amount of "destruction to the ecosystem" caused by driving a permitted vehicle in a designated area is so minimal it is ridiculous.

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Seasheller

Please don't judge me
Where is the county office.
Won't use (the sticker/beach) much I promise.

wrobert

So it is okay with you to destroy the ecosystem as long as it is just a little bit of destruction? Interesting. Instead of the debate being about destruction, it gets to be about the amount of destruction and where that line is crossed. One drop of oil ruins millions of gallons of water.

The owning land requirement is a bit unconstitutional, unless you are one of those that believes the Constitution is a 'living' document, subject to change and interpretation as seen fit for the times.

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ShallowsNole

So a county commission cannot enact laws to protect the rights of its landowners and residents in the face of challenges brought on by a changing society that threatens a community's way of life?

Dear, you understand the reasons the permits have restrictions. You just like to argue about it.

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SWGB

A bit unconstitutional? Isn't that like being sorta pregnant?

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wrobert

I understand the reasons. Just like some dislike Walmart and McDonald's others are afraid that those people who can not afford to buy beach land will slip down here and drive on their beaches. But the beaches belong to the people. Not the BCC or Walton County landowners.

The only problem is the BCC does not have the legal authority to require that you own land to enjoy a public beach. Remove the beaches from the argument. What if they required you owned land to use Helen McCall Park or the Bark Park?

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scooterbug44

Study your history - when the Constitution was written only white male property owners were allowed to have certain rights - among them voting. Thus, making landownership one of the prerequisitives to drive a vehicle on the beach does NOT violate the Constitution.

I've never heard anyone complain that they couldn't drive on the beach because they didn't own property - more that they didn't have the appropriate vehicle.

Owning beach land isn't the criteria, owning land anywhere in Walton County (yes, even north of the bay) is the criteria. Since one could argue that a family in Freeport is more likely to own a 4 wheel drive vehicle than a family in Seaside, your attempt to make it a class issue falls flat. A lack of land ownership does not preclude anyone from enjoying the beach, merely driving on it!

And as far as ecological damage, that is why you can only drive your vehicle on one small part of the beach.

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wrobert

So just to make sure I understand your position, it is okay to destroy the environment on one small piece of sand?

Land ownership is bestowing a set up rights on a class of land owners. What about full time renters? They get the benefit of paying higher taxes than most landowners, at least those with homesteaded property, yet they do not get a key benefit that only a landowner gets. I say, let them eat cake!

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SWGB

What's really interesting about the beach permit issue is that it requires ownership of Walton County land. As a taxpayer can I use the address of one of the local parks? Also it seems that it is an established customer use issue since anyone in Walton County has the right to use the beach.

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scooterbug44

No, what I am saying is that ecological concerns are why you can only drive on a small piece of highly regulated beach instead of the entire beach.

If you feel so strongly, work to make property ownership OR residency a requirement.

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doxiegirl

That may be considered a lot split and that may not be allowed. You might need a pemit for that. Or a minor development order. You may need to charge more for the square foot of land to cover the fees. Of course if they don't approve it, the fees may not be refundable. Better check with Planning on that one.

wrobert

As long as I am not claiming it as buildable. Last time I asked planning a question it took them a year to return the phone call, and the information they gave me was contrary to Florida statute, so I will just take my chances.

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wrobert

You know this thing is really easy to fix. Collier County did it with no problems. Just declare that a portion of your ad valorem taxes pay for the beach permit, that is why property owners get them for a $100 and charge everyone else that does not pay property taxes directly, $250. Give the cost of permitting to the tax collector for doing it and the balance to the SO for enforcement.

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scooterbug44

I wasn't aware it NEEDED fixing.

What is wrong w/ the current system?

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SWGB

Wrobert doesn't like it.

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wrobert

The current system is illegal. But it does allow class control of the beach accesses. And like walmart and mcdonald's, the lack of access will make many people happy.

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wrobert

Strange day when wrobert is the one fighting for fairness and access to all. What ever happened to that big tent.

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scooterbug44

Give me a freaking break! The current set of rules certainly hasn't kept me or my working class friends off the beach.

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FF 2

Wrobert has been saying odd things lately, in some instances I have even agreed with him.

wrobert

Every day I am learning a bit more. Like how some, on this board, are not as accepting as they would like for you to believe.

Personally, I want everyone to be able to drive down to the water and enjoy our beautiful beaches, but Scooter seems to want to keep them all to her/himself. Just does not seem fair to me.

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scooterbug44

Yep, giant conspiracy on the part of my non-landowning, non 4x4 owning self to keep the Grayton Beach Access all to myself!

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jdarg

The deputy was writing tickets at Grayton this afternoon- a truck was parked near us, no permit- and they got the $200 no permit ticket AND one for glass on thie beach.

I talked to the nice deputy after- he commented that these people were perfectly capable of reading the sign about a no permit/$200 fine and no glass on the beach....

Every time we are at the beach we see one or more trucks without permits, either parked, or running their tent condo and contents out and scooting back off the beach.