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View Poll Results: What do you think of the new blue signs being installed on 30-A?
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01-26-2008, 06:38 PM
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Re: New big blue signs in SoWal
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I like charles' janet reno analogy.
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Indeed!
Great job Dave.
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01-26-2008, 06:49 PM
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Re: New big blue signs in SoWal
Today, as I was driving through the blue sign areas, I was hit with three questions. I believe one may have been addressed, but I am now more confused than ever about the areas and these freaking signs. I used to know where things were, before these dang signs got posted.
1) The TDC is trying to promote the Beach Communities. They say that Alys Beach isn't a "Beach Community," so it doesn't get a sign. Every sign, naming an area gets the word, "beach," placed behind the community name. OOPS! All but one, Seaside. If they are including only beach communities in the new names, why didn't they changed Seaside to "Seaside Beach?"
2) The development of Seacrest Beach appears to be located east of the signs, designating Seacrest Beach. Now if people in Seacrest Beach, the development, are already confused about having a Panama City Beach address, while being in Santa Rosa Beach, they are really going to be confused, when they have to tell people that they are located east of Seacrest Beach.
3) WaterSound Beach. Sounds good, and for the most part, it is accurate. However, now Prominence, which has no beach, but is located in the area designated by the signs as, "WaterSound Beach," gets to advertise that they are located in WaterSound Beach. What the ef is up with that? The more I think about the way these names and places were chosen, the more I want to throw up in my mouth.
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Re: New big blue signs in SoWal
To clarify a bit, the TDC has what they call "beach communities". It is an official designation they use in promoting the area. I'm not sure what the criteria are to become a "beach community". I remember recently a press release announcing WaterSound Beach as a new "beach community" in the "Beaches Of South Walton". I expect Alys Beach will be on board at some point. Probably about the time they are ready to promote their vacation rentals and new businesses opening there.
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01-26-2008, 07:16 PM
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Re: New big blue signs in SoWal
I cannot wait to start giving directions when tourist season arrives. I can see the confusion already, and we will all look like idiots as we try to explain to some people to ignore the signs, because they confusing.
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Re: New big blue signs in SoWal
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I cannot wait to start giving directions when tourist season arrives. I can see the confusion already, and we will all look like idiots as we try to explain to some people to ignore the signs, because they confusing.
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it will look like we have all been on vacation to long and lost in margaritaville.
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Re: New big blue signs in SoWal
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My retirement beach home is in Seacrest too, just one word. 
'Alys Beach' is just a development like 'Seacrest Beach'. Both are in Seacrest. It makes it so confusing when developments name themselves as if they were a town, isn't it?  What is their motivation for doing this? I miss the  bike path thru nature too. Now it's like hollyhood with armed guards parked at both ends 24/7. Does the speed limit still jump from 20 straight to 45 there, then straight back to 35 within a few hundred feet? Why not a consistent 35 from and up to their 20 mph?
How did Rosemary get out of the blue signs though?  They are a real town, aren't they?...not a development name. Well good for them, they also don't have public beach access there? Wonder why everyone wasn't given the same opportunity to opt out if they diidn't like the huge blue signs too? What a waste...
I've only seen the pix so far and can't understand why our little complex had to get special permits and approval before even replacing our little sign, if the county isn't held to the same supposed strict corridor beauty rules.  If a kid or adult wrecks their bike on the path, it seems those concrete posts could really cause some possible head injuries. At least wood has a little give to it.  Could that be a lawsuit for the county waiting to happen? 
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Re: New big blue signs in SoWal
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Signs, signs everywhere signs.....
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01-27-2008, 12:41 AM
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Re: New big blue signs in SoWal
I love Grabber Blue, but only on Bosses.
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Re: New big blue signs in SoWal
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I cannot wait to start giving directions when tourist season arrives. I can see the confusion already, and we will all look like idiots as we try to explain to some people to ignore the signs, because they confusing.
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Good Morning from Tampa JOe. Still thinking of Y'all down here. There are 17
days until the Commissioners meeting. If we prevail, there will be no signs by March. To quote a prominent developer on 30-A. "The big blue monsters must go!" Meditate on that......
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01-27-2008, 08:12 AM
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Re: New big blue signs in SoWal
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Where are the signs for Beach Highlands and the Brickyard?
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I think we should insist that the TDC immediately order two more signs.
Welcome To Brickyard Beach
Welcome to Beach Highlands Beach
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01-27-2008, 08:55 AM
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Re: New big blue signs in SoWal
First. I loathe the signs.
No aesthetic value.
Second. What is the total coast of designing, building, installing and well apparently re-installing those things???????
Have we nothing better to deal with?????
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01-27-2008, 09:01 AM
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Re: New big blue signs in SoWal
According to the TDC's spokeperson, the total costs of those signs is $260,000, or $5306 per sign on average. Not all of the signs are erected.
...and there is another $160,000 allocated to spend on 100+ more signs along the Timpoochee Trail (multi-use trail along 30A).
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Re: New big blue signs in SoWal
Hmmmmmm.
That doesn't make me smile Joe.
It seems there are more signs than sights nowadays.
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01-27-2008, 09:17 AM
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Re: New big blue signs in SoWal
Thanks for the pics, Kurt. It's hard to put in perspective just how ugly they are without good pictures...the pictures help. What a nasty mess.
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Re: New big blue signs in SoWal
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Good Morning from Tampa JOe. Still thinking of Y'all down here. There are 17
days until the Commissioners meeting. If we prevail, there will be no signs by March. To quote a prominent developer on 30-A. "The big blue monsters must go!" Meditate on that...... 
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Re: New big blue signs in SoWal
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I think we should insist that the TDC immediately order two more signs.
Welcome To Brickyard Beach
Welcome to Beach Highlands Beach

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Brickyard Beach....it is one of the original landmarks! Boy those were the days!
The sign that has me baffled is the one on 331 causeway! Welcome to Walton County! What are they thinking...better yet that's it, they didn't think at all from what I can see in the finished product!
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I'm rather surprised that they didn't make the 331 sign, "Welcome to South Walton County," because they seem to think it is a different county than Walton County. You know, like West Virginia vs Virginia.
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Re: New big blue signs in SoWal
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I'm rather surprised that they didn't make the 331 sign, "Welcome to South Walton County," because they seem to think it is a different county than Walton County. You know, like West Virginia vs Virginia.
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I agree...not sure where there heads were in this...The way it reads though is very confusing to tourist...it's not the county line and shouldn't read like it is!
Though maybe it's a sign that the south is the most important part of the county...we have been overlooked for a long time...Sowallers will make sure that changes! I feel it in my bones...the south will rise!
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I am also surprised that a marketing team like the TDC hasn't included their website address on each sign.
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Re: New big blue signs in SoWal
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According to the TDC's spokeperson, the total costs of those signs is $260,000, or $5306 per sign on average. Not all of the signs are erected.
...and there is another $160,000 allocated to spend on 100+ more signs along the Timpoochee Trail (multi-use trail along 30A).
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You have got to be KIDDING!!!!! Seriously??????? $5300 per sign  
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Re: New big blue signs in SoWal
Just imagine everyone who posts on this board shows up at the upcoming meeting...don't you all think an impact would be made? I wish I could fly in from California to support all of you. Good luck and make your voices heard loud and clear! Talking is good..action is needed!
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Re: New big blue signs in SoWal
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These signs were built by the lowest bidder, Pretty scary Huh! Wonder what the other bids were?
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Sadly, we paid A LOT MORE for these signs! This isn't a case of the lowest bidder and "you get what you paid for".
I swear, every time I see these signs I find something ELSE wrong with them! So far the list includes:
1) Signs do not correctly give directions. (If I used the signs, I would never find my house in Seagrove or get to Inlet Beach.)
2) The signs are so high I can't read them from inside my car......and the small print doesn't help! I'm young w/ 20/20 and I am craning my neck and squinting to read the text!
3) There is no consistancy, as I was trying to find a common denominator in their height above ground, above the centerline of the road, heading up a hill, general height etc.
4) Signs delineate boundaries at locations I wasn't aware of, ignore distinctive communities, or due to real estate marketing/piggybacking, tourists will be even more confused that areas such as "the preserve at grayton" are not in grayton.
5) Some signs are installed so far from the road that you can't read them - sign by Tom Thumb/Angelina's is seriously 10-15' from the side of the road!
6) If the purpose of these signs is to give direction/information, they fail! Not only are some of the signs completely inaccurate, they don't give mileages, a general area map, or any basic info despite plenty o' blank space.
7) The color is completely wrong and a jarring eyesore!
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The sign should read welcome to Sowal and on the reverse side welcome to CenWal and one at Defunkyack that says Welcome to NoWal. Hows that for a run-on sentence. No Grammar check!!!!
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  I Love It! Let's take a vote and make it happen!
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Re: New big blue signs in SoWal
Please take them down, they interfere with the scenery!!!!
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Re: New big blue signs in SoWal
I have seen these struggles....thought this file might interest some of you. different towns; same struggles. this area has managed to keep some of it's charm but has to fight hard for it. big developers and all.
http://courses.washington.edu/larch5...onBeach_OR.pdf
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Re: New big blue signs in SoWal
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Just imagine everyone who posts on this board shows up at the upcoming meeting...don't you all think an impact would be made? I wish I could fly in from California to support all of you. Good luck and make your voices heard loud and clear! Talking is good..action is needed!
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I will be there with Camera crew, My hedge bet is less than a dozen show. Just the way it works.
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Re: New big blue signs in SoWal
It's a date Sowallers...
Please post the date and time for us so we can make all make it!
We must stand for what we love about our home - 30A!
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01-27-2008, 10:10 PM
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Re: New big blue signs in SoWal
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I will be there with Camera crew, My hedge bet is less than a dozen show. Just the way it works. 
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I bet you are dead wrong. SoWallers are good at showing up and getting things done. I bet there will be plenty of people there that have posted about these signs, but you just might not know who they are. BCC meetings aren't SoWal soirees or SoWal parties, and people won't be wearing their SoWal gear, but they will be there, you can bet on it.
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Re: New big blue signs in SoWal
Beach House, have you ever attended a BCC meeting? I have attended BCC meetings that were standing room only. If there is something "big" going on (and this is big), there will be plenty of people there.
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Re: New big blue signs in SoWal
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Beach House, have you ever attended a BCC meeting? I have attended BCC meetings that were standing room only. If there is something "big" going on (and this is big), there will be plenty of people there.
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Been to several, Covered a few News worthy stories here in the past. I hope your correct, and I certainly am not disputing your opinion of how many peeps will show up. Your GUESS is as worthy as mine correct. I mean no one knows what will happen until than?
So far and I am not meaning to sound like a smart Astrix, I have seen many post about these signs and votes on a poll and a Guy go to TDC to drop of a check on a national holiday only to have it returned because thats not how the system works. I also seen where only one person has made the contact direct to them by sitting down talking with the acting director and returned with his check in hand and a message that the meeting will be held in February. I take my hat off to the one man! But hey its not about you or me.... its about what the government we elected to represent us decides to do. I know that this was put to a committee and a vote back in 2002... where was all this attention than? I can get the minutes from those meetings I am sure they kept them, But again, I enjoy watching the underdogs fight for whats right!
Underdogs you ask? Yes those that are showing a dislike for something that was voted on 6 years ago after a committee of residents from Walton county proposed these signs.
Not being augmentative here, but Like them or not we agreed to them by proxy of not getting involved 6 years ago. This is just my opinion.
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Re: New big blue signs in SoWal
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Been to several, Covered a few News worthy stories here in the past. I hope your correct, and I certainly am not disputing your opinion of how many peeps will show up. Your GUESS is as worthy as mine correct. I mean no one knows what will happen until than?
So far and I am not meaning to sound like a smart Astrix, I have seen many post about these signs and votes on a poll and a Guy go to TDC to drop of a check on a national holiday only to have it returned because thats not how the system works. I also seen where only one person has made the contact direct to them by sitting down talking with the acting director and returned with his check in hand and a message that the meeting will be held in February. I take my hat off to the one man! But hey its not about you or me.... its about what the government we elected to represent us decides to do. I know that this was put to a committee and a vote back in 2002... where was all this attention than? I can get the minutes from those meetings I am sure they kept them, But again, I enjoy watching the underdogs fight for whats right!
Underdogs you ask? Yes those that are showing a dislike for something that was voted on 6 years ago after a committee of residents from Walton county proposed these signs.
Not being augmentative here, but Like them or not we agreed to them by proxy of not getting involved 6 years ago. This is just my opinion.
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2008 in South Walton is a much different place than 2002. There wasn't a message board to help people network, interact, and unite easily. Without a daily newspaper, I am sure it was harder to organize.
I have a feeling that there will be quite a few big local players at this meeting, and that is influential.
Many peeps have attended the meetings about public vs. private beaches and the playground/park (Mission Playpark). I'm tired and can't remember all the issues, but most meetings that I have attended or heard about have been well-attended.
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Re: New big blue signs in SoWal
I am so glad I have a little optimism. It tends to make things happen, rather than assuming failure. This community has really started uniting for issues that affect it.
This is not a SoWal.com created issue. It is a community issue that has been covered in the 2 widely read local newspapers- NWFL Daily and The Sun. I doubt they decided to print the stories because 48 people were talking about it on a message board.
Hey BH25 - just curious- in what capacity have you "covered" news stories. Are you a journalist?
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JOe I take it from past post you were here in 2002? If so why was this not an issue than?
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Yes, I was here in 2002 and never once heard any public announcement requesting input on these signs. I can tell you that many of today's SoWallers were not owners in 2002. Seriously, five years working on sign design is too long, and I seriously doubt they were actually requesting input on the design, five years ago. The design should take no more than two weeks for a professional graphics team to create.
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Re: New big blue signs in SoWal
Ask Allen Osborn about the reported FACTS which the County uses. Facts of record do not necessarily equate to facts. Either way, the point of this thread, regardless of the 2000 Census, is that most people polled in this thread, think the signs are horrid. At a recent BCC meeting, a subdivision was debating the percentage of the vote of homeonwers to change C&Rs of said subdivision. More than one person objected to the request to use 70% as the percentage of property owners needed to change the C&Rs, and some noted that a subdivision would be lucky to see a 10% response to changing C&Rs. This poll actually has 73% in agreement that the signs are horrid, and insinuates that a change is needed. That is a strong number. That is strong enough that if it were a legislative item of the Congress, the President couldn't veto it.
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Re: New big blue signs in SoWal
I would love to know how many that voted that the signs are horrid here have gone a step further and sent the CCs a note? Anyone know? Any comment from the TDC or from the county? Are they being flooded with emails/calls/mail?
I can't wait to see how this will all play out. And the beat goes on....
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Re: New big blue signs in SoWal
Beachhouse- Let me tell you what is personal. Your assumption that none of these good people will show at a BCC meeting is insulting. Insulting to people that have worked hard and long on other issues and have shown up for meetings. People that take time out of their busy schedules to care and try and make this area the best that it can be. Your comments last night were insulting, and they are just as ridiculous today. Congratulations on helping tear down community input before it starts, instead of helping to build it.
Regarding the SoWal poll, it apparently mirrors the feeling of the community at large. I have yet to read about anyone that likes the signs- all media commentary has been negative. Why do you think it is not accurate just because lurkers might vote but not want to post? I have voted on several SoWal polls without commentary.
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My mistake. The email didn't mention that the funding was by only the TDC. The email I received from the TDC follows.
For Immediate Release
Contact: Tracy Louthain
Walton County TDC
850-267-1216
BEACHES OF SOUTH WALTON TDC APPROVES CONTRACTOR TO
INSTALL WAYFINDING SIGNAGE
WALTON COUNTY, Fla.—January 11, 2008—Beaches of South Walton Tourist Development Council (TDC) hired NW Sign Industries to fabricate and install wayfinding signage throughout Walton County. Installation began this week on the signs, which include gateway signs, community signs and community connectors.
“We are excited to finally be underway with this project,” said Kriss Titus, executive director of the TDC. “The former community signs have been in rough shape for years and we wanted to enhance our visitors’ experience by providing wayfinding signage. The new signage will help direct visitors through the destination and further brand Beaches of South Walton creating a sense of place while they are here.”
The gateway signs will be located at all highway entry points into Walton County .(interesting, because they seem to have screwed that one up) The community signs will be positioned at the entrance to each beach communities along County Road 30A. Community connector signs will direct visitors to various beach communities at intersections and other key locations. A total of 49 signs will be installed at the completion of the project. Once the project is complete, the TDC will inspect all signs to ensure they are installed to the accurate height and design specifications, and make adjustments where necessary.
Designed in conjunction with highway department design specifications, the signs meet FDOT standards and are engineered to withstand up to 130-mph winds.
Titus went on to say “we chose these signs to complement our existing beach kiosk signs, which have proved to be durable and withstand the harsh elements including salt air and high winds.
The project will cost $260,000 and will be almost fully complete by the end of January. For more information on the wayfinding signage program, contact Sonny Mares, TDC’s director of administration at (850) 267-1216.
Tracy Louthain, APR
Director of Public Relations & Visitor Services
Beaches of South Walton Tourist Development Council
P.O. Box 1248
Santa Rosa Beach , FL 32459 USA
Phone: 850-267-1216 ext. 122
Fax: 850-267-3943
Website: www.beachesofsouthwalton.com
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The blue is easier to stomach after the sun sets.
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Hey, Minnie, I notice additional free maps of 30A and Destin, today, at the WaterColor Publix.
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Hey, Minnie, I notice additional free maps of 30A and Destin, today, at the WaterColor Publix.
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I know where that is too.  I guess I was frequenting the wrong spots. Of course I was not really looking either.
Must have been the beverage in my eye, I mean my hand.
My daughter loves that store.
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Oh, Jesus. They *are* horrid.
Going south on 395 at 30-A, it says that Seagrove is straight ahead. Is that why the house at that intersection is under repair?  Straight ahead (after crashing into that house) is the Gulf!
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They are just plain uggggggly!!!
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Today I witnessed a man in a TDC truck stopping and measuring the height of the big blue uglies. We must make sure we have properly installed those tacky signs!
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Today I witnessed a man in a TDC truck stopping and measuring the height of the big blue uglies. We must make sure we have properly installed those tacky signs! 
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 Could be to lower them or measuring for landscaping. Possibly some sort of replacement that could use the same base?
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 Could be to lower them or measuring for landscaping. Possibly some sort of replacement that could use the same base?
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I have had a commissioner tell me that in the next few weeks 119 additional blue signs will be installed along 30-A. If this is true you are not going to be able to find anything for all the blue signs.
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I have had a commissioner tell me that in the next few weeks 119 additional blue signs will be installed along 30-A. If this is true you are not going to be able to find anything for all the blue signs.
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It is true. Those additional signs are costing an additional $160,000. As I suggested, it will be easier to stop those signs than replacing the ones which are already installed. Call and email the County Commissioners today!!!
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It is true. Those additional signs are costing an additional $160,000. As I suggested, it will be easier to stop those signs than replacing the ones which are already installed. Call and email the County Commissioners today!!!
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I am beginning to have my doubts. So far the commissioners all agree that the sign at the foot of the bridge is wrong, yet it seems no one can figure out who needs to tell Public Works to take a couple of wrenches and go take the thing down. I really hate indecision in a public official. Right or wrong, I have the utmost for respect for someone that will at least stand up and make a decision on something.
So within the month we will be having blue signs every 500 feet on 30-a. I do not live down there, but I can not stand the number of governmental signs I see on the road now. And again the BCC knows it is going to be bad, but no one appears to be stepping up to stop the madness.
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Me too. That is perhaps the biggest problem with this county govt. The interesting thing is that it doesn't seem to change much no matter who is sitting in the commissioner's seats. Buck passing is so firmly established that it has become standard operating procedure and is, imho, the reason why we are so far behind the times when it comes to things like maintaining the bike path, cleaning up the right-of-way, broadcasting BCC meetings, recycling, paving roads and a host of other projects.
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things like maintaining the bike path, cleaning up the right-of-way, broadcasting BCC meetings, recycling, paving roads and a host of other projects. 
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One of the problems seems to be upon entering office, immediately the focus shifts to getting reelected. Personally, I would hate to think that my sole goal was to obtain the title of commissioner and plan on staying at that level the rest of my days. If you go in and really do make a difference there are so many places that leadership are needed. Go fix the problems and move on and up so you can tackle bigger problems and make a difference in the lives of more people. But some think that they have arrived.
Maybe it is some sort of a pill they get the night they win. I use to be amazed at how these ordinary people get elected and overnight they become experts in engineering, human resources, and money management. At least now they have hired some really talented individuals and they do seem to take those individual expert opinions into account.
I have started asking them to list their accomplishments when I speak to them about their future plans for office. I am now trying to find out how they want their period of leadership to be remembered. Makes for some really interesting conversation.
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Re: New big blue signs in SoWal
SmilngJo..I love the sunset picture...you are right the sunset helps...
All we needed was something else to take away from the beuty in the sunrises and sunsets we ahve on 30A...
Maybe the new sign should read (at the foot of the bridge)...
Welcome to South Walton...Disney's Newest Attraction.
The signs look just like disney's parking signs. But that seems to be what the TDC wants...to make us look like an attraction. Wonder if that will keep us one of the "Most Beutiful Beaches" any more?
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Re: New big blue signs in SoWal
The signs yet to be placed are mile marker signs and "caution" signs for driveways and other hazards for bikers and hikers. There are pictures of the signs in Commissioner Meadow's office, I understand, if you want to drop by and see what they will look like. We are erecting too much signage IMO.
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It is true. Those additional signs are costing an additional $160,000. As I suggested, it will be easier to stop those signs than replacing the ones which are already installed.
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yes, but i bet the money has already been spent.
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Re: New big blue signs in SoWal
How about instead of putting up hundreds of signs, we just put a big sign at each end of 30-A and each north/south connector that says "please take your head out of your butt and have a nice day." No need for warning signs about driveways, approaching stop signs, bike paths, what "beach" you are at etc.
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Regarding the Ultra Ugly Blue Signs: Has anyone else noticed that some signs actually split communities/subdividions. I know there are places where communities appear to overlap but between Blue Mountain Beach and Grayton Beach, there is one subdivision, Bannerman Beach Place (a gated community, so definitely a separate entity from others) where the "Welcome to Grayton Beach" sign leaves 3/4 of the homeowners in Blue Mountain and 1/4 in Grayton Beach. So...in describing to visitors precisely where they live, what do Bannerman Beach Place residents say? "If going East, turn South ten feet prior to being parallel to the 'Welcome to Grayton Beach' memorial to Janet Reno." Weird.
One defense made for the metal signs is that the lovely, aesthetic wooden ones that have been the tradition would soon rot away. Isn't there something called Hartiplank(?), hardy board(?), hearty board(?)--anyway, it's the material that looks like wood but is not. Why couldn't that be used and we could let the abominable blue ones be re-painted and used on Highway 98 for commercial buildings?
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Re: New big blue signs in SoWal
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How about instead of putting up hundreds of signs, we just put a big sign at each end of 30-A and each north/south connector that says "please take your head out of your butt and have a nice day." No need for warning signs about driveways, approaching stop signs, bike paths, what "beach" you are at etc. 
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I just love a brutally honest person. I've been giving directions on 30-A for years. And usually the lost vacationer gets restaurant and entertainment tips! I pray daily for the big blue signs to go away!
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Re: New big blue signs in SoWal
My son who is 13 said we should take down the signs and use them to build skateboard ramps at the park. This would beautify 30A and improve the community while saving money.
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Re: New big blue signs in SoWal
the tdc should sell ad space on the back of the signs, it would be good for local business and the money could be used to finance replacement signs.
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Re: New big blue signs in SoWal
Dear TDC and BCC Members:
As a home owner at Sea Grove Beach for over 40 years, I have witnessed the many delightful improvements to what is now known as Historic/Scenic 30 A.
Signage is important to help visitors to our beautiful and unique beaches know where they are and how to get where they are going. Signage, on-the other-hand; needs to be kept tasteful, understated, artistic, and asthetically pleasing to the eye. The new Blue TDC signage proves the point that "New and improved is not always better!"
It would be well if the TDC reconsidered the current signs as they greatly detract from the purpose for which they were intended.
I sincerely hope the current signs will be removed and new sinage, more representative of the area, be designed and installed. The current beautifully carved wooden signs announcing each Beach Community is definitely an asthetically appropriate place to start.
Sincerely,
J. Allen Smith,II,
65 Live Oak Street
Sea Grove Beach
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Amen!!!! J. Allen Smith II
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Now thats a very good suggestion, Well instead of just the blue signs lets erect Billboards! 
Anyone have any roadside property to lease a 10 square foot section? Yes billboards are the answer! 
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let's show the beach and gulf on the billboards, now that would be something to see from 30a.
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Re: New big blue signs in SoWal
The sign at the south end of the 331 bridge is gone.
I assume that it was removed by a work crew.
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That's good news...where do I send the Thank You?
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The sign at the south end of the 331 bridge is gone.
I assume that it was removed by a work crew.
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Awsome!! This is a good sign, ah er... no pun intended. One down 45 to go!! Don't forget the County Commissioners meeting this Tuesday at 4:00.
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Awsome!! This is a good sign, ah er... no pun intended. One down 45 to go!! Don't forget the County Commissioners meeting this Tuesday at 4:00.
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Dave, I glanced at the agenda and didn't see the sign issue- here is the link. I'm going to look again because I may have missed it.
http://story.waltonsun.com/article.d....db.php?a=2448
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You are correct; I was wrong regarding the TDC meeting happening before this Tuesdays meeting.
I verified with the Commissioners office that the TDC will make a recommendation to to BCC on FEB 26 in Defuniak Springs. I am going to attend the Wed. Feb 13th TDC Board Meeting at 9:00 a.m. I will have a better sense of the TDC's position on sign removal after then.
The BCC needs to hear what the TDC's response is before a final decision is made by the BCC. Even though this issue is not on the agenda this week, anyone is welcome to attend and speak at the 12th BCC meeting regarding signs. I suggest if you can't go to the Meeting on the 26th go this Tuesday and be heard.
Please pass the word; copy and email to anyone interested in having the signs removed.
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Big Blue Sign Removal Information Thread
The purpose of this thread is to keep any one interested in having the TDC Blue signs removed informed on progress.
Change of Meeting Notice:
I was wrong regarding the TDC meeting happening before this Tuesdays
Board of County Commissioners meeting.
I verified with the Commissioners office that the TDC will make a
recommendation to to Board of Commissioners on FEB 26 in Defuniak Springs. I am going to attend the Wed. Feb 13th TDC Board Meeting at 9:00 a.m. I will have a better sense of the TDC's position on sign removal after then.
The BCC needs to hear what the TDC's response is before a final
decision is made by the BCC. Even though this issue is not on the
agenda this week, anyone is welcome to attend and speak at the 12th
BCC meeting regarding signs. I suggest if you can't go to the Meeting
on the 26th go this Tuesday and be heard.
The TDC board has reached out to Claire Bannerman asking her to attend the TDC board meeting this Wednesday at 9:00. Claire is also meeting with interim TDC Director, Sonny Mares today; I see this as a positive development. The blue sign at the foot of 331 bridge was removed this week.
Please pass the word; copy and email to anyone interested in having
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The TDC board has reached out to Claire Bannerman asking her to attend
the TDC board meeting this Wednesday at 9:00. Claire is also meeting
with interim TDC Director, Sonny Mares today; I see this as a positive
development. The TDC removed the sign at the foot of 331 this week, another positive development.
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I strongly suggest everyone who believes the TDC should remove the Big Blue Signs on 30-A attend the TDC board meeting this Wednesday at 9:00 a.m. at the Tourist Development Council at the corner of 331 and hwy 98
The meeting is open to the public
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I strongly suggest everyone who believes the TDC should remove the Big Blue Signs on 30-A attend the TDC board meeting this Wednesday at 9:00 a.m. at the Tourist Development Council at the corner of 331 and hwy 98
The meeting is open to the public
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Thanks for posting this information.
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thanks for the info Dave. I just posted it in a bulletin on myspace for any Wa.Co. people who don't check Sowal. If I was home I'd definitely be there to protest or show support for changing them, and I'd love to see the hoards of angry Sowallers that show.
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thanks for the info Dave. I just posted it in a bulletin on myspace for any Wa.Co. people who don't check Sowal. If I was home I'd definitely be there to protest or show support for changing them, and I'd love to see the hoards of angry Sowallers that show. 
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I would be at this meeting if I was there believe you me!!!!!!!
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Thanks so much Pickle.
This is the initial meeting to get our point across to the TDC. The more folks who show up the better. Let's get it together SoWal!!! Wednesday morning is the day!! 9:00 A. M.
I spoke with Claire Bannerman an hour ago and she had just met with the Interim Director of the TDC, Sonny Mares. According to Claire he echoed the same position he gave me; lowering the signs or doing some planting around the bottoms. Also, the cost is going to be the TDC's main argument for keeping them. No matter what has been spent these signs just don't represent our beautiful road.
I believe we have to be united in our position that they must be all removed. This will open the door for the Scenic Corridor Advocacy group and other talented citizens to work with the TDC in a positive environment to create a fitting sign design for Scenic 30-A. There is no other option for the correct representation of Scenic 30-A
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Dave, some of us can not attend a 9 a.m. meeting because of work schedules. Is there a way you could take copies of letters from those who can't be there...either because of work; or because they are not here physically...and present them to the TDC?
When I worked as a lobbyist I would often present my case, and then back it up with a "batch" of letters from others supporting my point of view. It usually had a pretty strong impact. This works even if people have written individually. Presenting the batch of letters/emails to the Chairman and asking that they be entered into the Official Record as well, is a strong visual.
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Dave, some of us can not attend a 9 a.m. meeting because of work schedules. Is there a way you could take copies of letters from those who can't be there...either because of work; or because they are not here physically...and present them to the TDC?
When I worked as a lobbyist I would often present my case, and then back it up with a "batch" of letters from others supporting my point of view. It usually had a pretty strong impact. This works even if people have written individually. Presenting the batch of letters/emails to the Chairman and asking that they be entered into the Official Record as well, is a strong visual.
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Great Idea. If you know someone who is going, pass the letters on to them or drop them off in an envelope at Bud & Alley's and I'll deliver them myself. Also emailing the TDC and copying the BCC is also helpful.
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Dave, can we fax a letter to Bud and Alley's office?  Fax number?
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Nice photoshop work SJ
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If removing the signs were only as easy as erasing them in photoshop, all would be well. I have a wrench, but I need a chainsaw to cut through that darn red tape of bureaucracy.
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Dave, maybe we could get a roll of Butcher Paper and leave it on the bar at B&A and let anyone who is for removing the signs, sign the petition. Then, you could take it to the meeting and unroll it for the Commissioners...
Use SJ's with sign/without sign Sunset as the logo.....
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Speaking of big blue signs, I was comparing these to the same style signs at the County Annex in SoWal and notice that those sign posts are a nice green, though the paint is fading. If the TDC was trying to maintain a common link in addition to the TDC logo, that green color would have been less distracting. I hope Claire will have some good input on replacement signs.
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I will make every effort to be there! I'm thinking Hibiscus before the TDC meeting for a little coffee and breakfast!
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SJ, I just love you to pieces.
RR and I will definately be there. Noticed, though, that the sign at the foot of the 331 Bridge (welcome to Walton County) is missing. Has it been peacably removed or violently highjacked?
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I'm not sure of the manner in which the sign was removed. Maybe Commissioner Jones ran it over with his pick-up truck. I hear that he may have been a little more than offended by the placement of the "Welcome to Walton County" part of the sign.
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He was offended at the placement of the actual sign or the words on the sign?
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Just my guess, but I don't think he would object to a "Welcome to Walton County" sign if it were placed at an entry point into the County, so it is most likely the placement which is rather effed up. (the big and blue part is a separate issue and I don't know of his thoughts on that.)
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Love the Big Blue Monsters design. We need to make buttons or print lapel stickers for the meeting. Anyone know if we have time? Is there someone local?
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punzy, you could make teeshirts. Not you alone, but someone could create a design and post it here. Then everyone could take that image and print it onto an iron-on piece of paper (can buy at Not-So-Super Walmart) (print it as the reverse image, so that it irons on correctly), and iron it onto a blank tee-shirt. Total cost per person, less than $4 and a little bit of time.
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punzy, you could make teeshirts. Not you alone, but someone could create a design and post it here. Then everyone could take that image and print it onto an iron-on piece of paper (can buy at Not-So-Super Walmart) (print it as the reverse image, so that it irons on correctly), and iron it onto a blank tee-shirt. Total cost per person, less than $4 and a little bit of time.
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Ah...if I only had my Mac.
SJ, I think your Sign/No Sign should be part of the design. How are your graphic arts skills?
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my skills are minimal. I struggled a bit with the sign/no sign. I used to make logos all the time, but I haven't really putzed around with making them lately. Give me an idea of what you are looking for.
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It's strange, how eerily silent the Walton Sun has been about the sign issue. Other than a cartoon in this weeks issue, nothing in last weeks paper and no followup story. Front page one week and poof! Is this not real news? Just wondering....
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Nothing to see here folks, keep moving along...
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It's strange, how eerily silent the Walton Sun has been about the sign issue. Other than a cartoon in this weeks issue, nothing in last weeks paper and no followup story. Front page one week and poof! Is this not real news? Just wondering.... 
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Maybe it is just my penchant for conspiracy theories, but the TDC and major advertisers in the paper seem to be one and the same. And papers have to make money to stick around. I just do not see how that would not influence an editorial position. It seems to me that they have no problem at all keeping issues about local officials in the public eye and dragging on and on through editorials and cartoons in the past. But you are correct, this one is eerily quiet. I would love for someone to do a timeline on this whole thing, when the decisions were made, what meetings, and when the orders were placed in relative to those decisions.
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...and I would love to know what FDOT rules govern the size of the signs on a County road; and why it took 3 to 4 years from conception to installation...
where is a good investigative reporter when we need one?
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I understand this is where they came up with the design
for the Big Blue Sign...
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Check Walton County Ordinance 2004-05 and 2004-06 when you do your timeline.
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