Because I am not allowed to post the dangers of tanning in the same thread as a tanning salon opening, I will post it here. Tanning has been shown to cause melanoma, which kills 8000 people in the US every year. Melanoma is a politically correct cancer because tanning is associated with being "healthy." Lung cancer and liver cancer are not as lucky and now both smoking and binge drinking (primary causes of these cancers) are no longer in style. People will continue to tan because they are stupid and vain, but I will not stay silent on this message board because the moderators support skin cancer.

I agree with your general point, but I think you will sway more people by being somewhat respectful;people who tan don't do it because they are 'stupid'.

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I've never darkened the door of a tanning salon because nothing deters sunworshipping like a loved one constantly having nickel sized chunks of flesh cut out of them because they got "a tan" earlier in life.

Criticizing someone for opening a tanning salon at the beach (isn't that like opening an ice store in Alaska) won't keep people from tanning or getting cancer. Looking around Sowal, I don't think smoking, binge drinking, OR tanning will fade in popularity anytime soon.

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I hope you don't use a cell phone, use of cell phones have also been linked to brain cancer... and microwaves and on and on and on....

While I don't believe for one minute that the moderator supports skin cancer, I do agree that tanning beds are very dangerous because of the link to melanoma. I have never been to a tanning bed but I have a twin brother who went frequently in college and into his early 30's. He was diagnosed with melanoma a few years ago. Luckily he caught it early and is fine now but he has no doubt that it developed as a result of the tanning beds. I have lectured my daughter's repeately on this topic but alot of people, including my daughters, have the "it won't happen to me" mentality. If I had to have an artificial tan I would go the spray tanning route.

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Thank you for sharing. I have to admit that I just paid for my one and only month of tanning in my whole life and I will not pay for another. It is nice to get a little color for the spring but it is definitely not worth one's health.

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So true - I always tell my daughters that a tan fades but the damage is lasting.

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Overuse of anything is bad, cellphones included, which is why I try to use my land line and my car is wired for bluetooth so no brain cancer here. I don't smoke and have about 1 glass of wine every 3 days, although once a month I will enjoy 2-3 martinis. My only vice is not exercising as much as I should, but I am still only 175 lbs and can run 5k without stopping for rest. People who overdo anything aren't smart and the opposite of smart is stupid. So I don't care if I turn a few people of by calling stupid by its name. Knowingly doing something that could kill you is stupid. Sorry if it is offensive

Sounds like you've really got it together!

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Wala!

I suggested you start a new thread instead of trashing a legal business on their thread. Would you go to their tanning salon and stand outside with a sign that said "tanning causes cancer"? It's the same thing.

If your real aim is to educate and protect people, why not do it in a resonable and respectful manner?

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The opposite of smart is dumb...

stupid is a ugly word!

I apologize to the moderator he was right to move the discussion. Tanning salons, liquor stores, tobacco companies all have the right to make money killing folks. And I support that right.

Dumb = Stupid to me; I really don't get the difference. I would not feel better if someone called me dumb vs stupid. BTW, I think the fact that I have to post this is stupid

You might be on to something there.

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I would like to thank you for looking out for my well being.... now how about coming and standing at the intersection of Bay Drive and stopping the idiots that have cut in front of me, almost causing a head-on collision, 4 times in the last 2 days. I would think they are pretty stupid to not realize that the persons proceeding straight across the intersection have the right of way. I honestly feel that some stupid person at that intersection is going to kill me before the sun does.

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While I can agree with the effects of over-exposure and cancer, I would like to point out that If managed properly a tanning facility can also help to aquire a safe tan with out over-exposure that most people get trying to play catchup on the weekends or in a weeks vacation. And a healthy base tan can help protect an individual from burning and overexposing themselves to the sun. While there used to be no regulatory restrictions or even basic education on the tanning process or tanning beds, it is now regualted and inspected by the FTC & FDA. In order to open a Tanning facility there are now strict rquirements. You must pass an exam with the State of location that requires that you learn the layers of the skin, effects of sun, the difference between UVB, UVA, & UVR rays that are where the dangers come into play. You are required to learn and recognize the different types of skin cancer as well as the effects of exposure to the human eye and all medicines or any other products that can have an effect on the amount of exposure a person can expect. In essence anyone opening a salon is probably more careful than the average person and can help in educating the general public on how to Tan safely. We are all exposed to the sun on a daily basis, most skin cancers are on the face, hands & lower arms because those are the areas that we forget to protect. While tanning beds block out a majority of the UVB rays & UVC rays all togther they allow for the UVA rays to tan a persons skin with out all of the dangers that being in the sun everyday can cause. Tanning is acutally the body's natural defense mechanism to protect itself from the sun's rays.
PS Don't forget some Dermatologist use a particular type of tanning bulbs in booths to help treat psorasis patients.
A Little Education:UVC is the shortest, most harmful wavelength of ultraviolet rays. UVB is the medium wavelength and although overexposure can cause erythema (sunburn), a controlled amount is necessary to initiate tanning in the skin.
UVA is the longest wavelength and is responsible for the completion of the tanning process.
Sincerly,
Tan & Healthy

Thanks T & H. I needed that!

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I don't even like tanning in the sun. I recently saw a news story on tanning salons and they were cautioning people about the sanitation risks involved with naked people using the tanning bed, and the beds not being sanitized afterward. I am sure there are places which follow the rules, and that might not be of concern. They were also cautioning against not using proper eye protection in the tanning booths, as the rays can damage the eyes, even while closed. The tanning beds scare me as much as spending all day in the sun, unprotected. I use 30spf block even for daily running around, when I will be in the car, yet I am still very tan.

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• I don't tan voluntarily. The sun does it to me. I could wear turtlenecks, hoods, long pants and socks to the beach, but I'm afraid I'll have a heat stroke.

• My dental hygienist told me that I was going to die from not flossing every @#$% five minutes. As I have told Aggie B, I floss regularly, but this woman is crazy. However, her prediction has brought me a lot of relief. Since she is so certain that I'm going to die from not flossing, I no longer wear my seat belt, I smoke 3 packs a day, I cross against the light, run with scissors, fly kites in thunderstorms, and do trapeze stunts without a net. Life is great.

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Atta girl!!!!

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DD, I toad you it was pucking hot.~~Kitty

What'd I tell you.....I drive way to fast to worry about malinoma and cholesterol.

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DD, I toad you it was pucking hot.~~Kitty

Thank you for posting this information about the dangers of tanning. I want you to know that I for one do appreciate your concern for me on this matter.

It is nice to know that there are people out there in the public who care about their fellow neighbor. It is comforting knowing that I have such a nice person on this site thinking about my well being.

I do hope you are having a great evening and want you to know that I for one will not sit in a tanning bed anymore.

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The govt invented bluetooth devices to make us think taking the cell phones away from our heads will save us from the cancer. The bluetooth devices are actually more acute delivery devices. Also, having the device that much closer to the eardrum causes tinitus. Be careful.

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I think you have a better shot of making it by tanning all day in the bed and ditching the Alex Jones addiction.

Ummmmmm.......... .........Miss Nohall...........rant thread, one topic on down in lounge. You've just written a classic.

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DD, I toad you it was pucking hot.~~Kitty

i knew it. They told you guys already.

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There are also many health benefits to responsible sun exposure, from physical to emotional needs.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/hottopi...benefits.shtml
This actually shows that sun exposure can also protect you from certain types of cancer.

We need sunlight to produce vitamin D in our bodies, which is why in northern areas where people don't get as much sunlight, it is recommended to have Vit D supplementation, especially for darker pigmented skin tones.

Tan & Healthy was very eloquent in the explanation of their required training. Thank you for that.

What the heck happened to "everything in moderation"? My momma always told me that calling people stupid or dumb was mean. We can all share information without being rude to one another.

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Seriously--I'm allergic to sunscreens. If I use them, I end up with nasty burns. I've learned to be careful early in the season--I wear a hat, go in during the hottest part of the day, etc. If I do this, I rarely burn.

I think our bodies are much more flexible without chemical intervention than we give them credit for. Step away from the Coppertone, and when your skin starts to turn pink head to the Red Bar for the rest of the afternoon!

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My brother died of soft tissue melanoma. And for the most part, I am a cautious sun-worshipper - slather myself in SPF 50 and reapply incessantly. And I've been known to do a little pre-tanning at a salon before traveling to the Caribbean. But if the sun doesn't get me, something else will - probably the plastic Aquafina bottle sitting on my desk that I've been refilling for weeks on end (or perhaps the Lake Michigan water I fill it with.) Nah, I take that back - the ultimate cause of my demise will be texting and driving. A much more likely cause of harm than actually using the cell phone as a phone.......and I don't really know where I'm going with this but, there, I've said it.

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Seriously. Stop flossing, and you won't worry anymore. My mother was afraid I was going to be raped and killed last time I went to Atlanta by myself, and I said, "Get over it, Mom. I didn't floss today, and that's going to kill me."

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In all seriousness, SOMETHING is going to get us and we can't spend our lives worrying about every little thing. All I can say is do not floss while you drive. If you ask me, that is worse than texting and driving.

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Uh oh.

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DD, I toad you it was pucking hot.~~Kitty

The only time flossing happens in THIS MOUTH is when I go to the dentist. I've had 1 cavity my whole life and no braces, etc. Flossing sux.

I guess I should have been dead by the time I was 12.

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I totally agree with you on this, and I also can't use any commercial sunscreens without developing horrible painful chemical burns. I've tried just about every sunscreen made, and the result is the same, no matter what the label claims. There is one brand that I get at health food stores that is mainly pure zinc oxide that I use if I'm going to be outside all day, and it works pretty well. It leaves white streaks all over everything, and gives my skin a ghostly look, but it's a small price to pay...

I've found that if I gradually expose my skin for increasing amounts every few days in the spring, and spend a day or two at the beach wearing the zinc oxide, by summer I can be at the beach for a few hours, no sunscreen, and no sunburn either. Those of you who know me know how pale I am, so I think this is pretty cool.

My mom likes to point out that the historical increase in skin cancers correlates to the increase in usage of chemical sunscreens... I don't know how accurate that is, but it is food for thought...

Tanning beds are another story, to me they just feel wrong. I love being in the sun, makes me feel great.

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A towel over my shoulders and knees or a lightweight, long-sleeved shirt works well for me, with no streaks. Fortunately, I was blessed with olive skin.

I think you're right about chemicals...

I did the tanning bed last spring to avoid the early-in-the-season burn, but it didn't really do that much good. Seemed like too much risk for too little benefit.

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I use a mainly zinc oxide based cream on my kids & they look light purple... it's funny but with their skin tone being darker they look like little aliens with the sunscreen on.

I've heard the same thing that your mom says.... also I would like to point out that it also correlates to the "low fat" diet trends. Diets high in the essential fatty acids promote safer sun exposure. When we jumped to low-fat, no-fat and hydrogenated everything, we lost the good stuff with all the benefits, including this.

My skin works the same way in the sun.

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don't stop flossing altogether, you've gotta get that funk out from between your teeth, and brushing alone won't do it. it also stimulates the gums. periodontia is not something to look forward to.

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Yeah, yeah...I know. I floss. I gargle. I use an electric toothbrush. And if I get hit by a truck tomorrow, I will have wasted a lot of my life on my teeth.

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I'm so sorry about your brother.

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Thank you.
Thank you. Happy Birthday!
Thank you!
You are right. Even though we hate it!

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Wala!

Frequent reapplication of sunscreen is key. Don't forget your ears, even the rims and behind them, oh and the tops of your feet. If you ask your dermatologist, it is a fact~tanning beds are very dangerous, regardless of the person operating them. The thing is you don't find out most times until way later in life when you start developing all these skin cancers that must be surgically removed from your face, back, arms etc., from all the UV exposure you had earlier in life, usually the majority(~90%) of damage is done before the age of 18. Each to their own though. Of course a sunburn is always worse than a gradual tan. That is pretty much a given with most folks. It's fuNNe even if you try not to get sun by wearing a 30, you will get it, like SJ says. Just look at some beautiful people like Nicole Kidman. No one seems to mind the lack of tan on that beauty.

OK, let me jump in the fray.

I think a tanning salon on 30-A is a brilliant idea;in fact, I had entertained the thought briefly of opening the same. It will almost certainly be a moneymaker. However, I have an ethical problem encouraging people to climb into a booth and paying to have their DNA damaged.

As most know I am pretty skeptical about the health scare du jour and advocate moderation in all activities;what is the point of living if one lives a boring life? I also try to find good data regarding the unhealthy nature of any activity, and honestly, there are no good trials existing that link tanning beds to any skin cancer. That isn't shocking if you think about it, because baseline sun exposure is a difficult confounding variable to control. However, we know that excessive sun exposure in fair skinned people is a risk factor in the development of pre-cancerous and cancerous lesions.

What I find most troubling about the tanning beds is their target market. I am all on board with living life with gusto and poking fun at worrywarts and hypochondriacs. However, the typical tanning bed patron is probably somebody in their early twenties who place a higher premium on 'in the moment' appearance rather than long term health. Common sense suggests that damage done to the skin in one's teens or twenties has no long term benefit.

So with that said, if one wants to subject their dermal DNA to mutation in a tanning booth, by all means, go ahead. I just hope younger patrons realize what they are doing.

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It ain't rocket science. Look at old people who spend time in the sun. The exposed skin is filled with brown, purple, and red spots, which aren't so pretty looking. Look at the skin of the same people, which gets no exposure, like under a watch ban, and you will see beautiful, healthy looking skin.

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But a lot of that also depends on skin type, what kind of exposure, etc. My father is 65 years old, and has spent a LOT of that time in the hot Georgia sun. Insert working cliches here, including picking cotton as a child. He doesn't work shirtless anymore (thank GAWD! ) but he did when he was younger. He was as brown as a bear in the summers, but his skin is still healthy-looking--he doesn't look like beef jerky, the way I've seen others his age who obviously spent too much time just laying out in the sun.

Moderation...and lay off the sun-worshipping!

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Yea everybody, but should I renew for another month?

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Wala!

Try Jergens Natural Glow lotion. It works for me.

It's less expensive and a time saver. Be sure to wash your hands.

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Yea everybody, but should I renew for another month?

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Wala!

Thanks Whitey. That is what I usually use. The Vaseline brand is good too.

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Wala!

Even on tanning...my words to live by...."Everything in moderation, including moderation."

Brown fat looks better than white fat. Fake or real.

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DD, I toad you it was pucking hot.~~Kitty

True DD and brown muscle tone looks better and more defined than white muscle tone!

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Me think not! Bring on the sun!

I can't speak for muscle tone...only for fat.

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DD, I toad you it was pucking hot.~~Kitty

Thank you so much.

As for the rest of this thread, lots of good info. Love, love, love the tinted moisturizers. Also love Clinique self-tanner for my legs (not so great for the face.) Completely agree with hnooe2000 on the moderation comment. LMAO at Nohall and DD! And Steelemama, if it makes you happy and you can live with the potential risk, by all means renew for another month. (But Skunky and SJ have really made me think twice about ever using a tanning bed again.)

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omg, I'm dying.

I've grown accustomed to my white fat and try like hail to keep it so. would like to have some muscle tone one day though.

I don't think the tan is nearly as "desired" by people these days. when I see a super tanned person, it isn't all that attractive, imo. some color looks great. very tanned - well, just unattractive on several levels is all I can say.

this is what I've learned after all these years, and I so wish I had learned it when I was in my twenties!
1. wear the appropriate moisturizers containing sunscreen for face and body all year long, even if its cloudy and raining. just do it.
2. when on the beach find shade, sit under umbrella, and enjoy short amounts of time in full sun.
3. wear a hat.
4. go to the beach in early morning or late afternoon/early evening to enjoy in comfort, away from the most extreme heat/sun.
5. teach my kid that sunburns are to be avoided, and that his skin is the largest organ of his body - protect it from permanent damage.

I had nieces and nephews visiting this spring and one very fair 13 year old nephew had a terrible sunburn after forgetting to apply sunscreen to his face that day. it was cool outside, he was even wearing a shirt. I was furious with his parents and it feels almost like child abuse since we know so much better now. yes, he's old enough to care for his own skin - every teen should know better. many are still in the dark.

1. Binge Drinking....check
2. Smoking.....check
3. Tanning Bed...only once...but check

I will see you guy's on the other side.

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I'm sorry for your loss Lindatat.

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I know I don't get there often enough, but God knows I surely try, It's a magic kind of medicine that no doctor could prescribe!

Me too.

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Thank you KD.

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Add in blonde hair, fair skin, baby oil and the use of a reflector and ONLY going out between 10 and 2pm I'm so there...at least we can keep each other company.

I will keep the light on for you.

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I know I don't get there often enough, but God knows I surely try, It's a magic kind of medicine that no doctor could prescribe!

OMG, OL - when we were teenagers, we would BAKE out on the black roof of my parents house, slathered in baby oil.

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my suggestion wear gloves.

http://www.fakebake.net/

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well you gotta have funn, now don't ya. hey, if people like to bake in the sun the same way we like to drink and smoke, wail I say they oughta do it and enjoy! and maybe they are doing it all at once, they way we used to do it.

but for some reason, I just don't like baking in the sun anymore. not funn at all. so, its easy for me to adopt a healthy skin routine. but I'm not doing so good on the other health choices.

Amen Sista.

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I know I don't get there often enough, but God knows I surely try, It's a magic kind of medicine that no doctor could prescribe!

We didn't care about what we were going to look like in 25-30 years now did we? I just knew I looked HOT with a good tan. My favorite thing to do was lay out in the sun. I still like to tan but I do use sunscreen. 30SPF at the beach and at least a 15 here. You know after you turn 40 it seems like every year you notice something new happening to you. This year for me (43) it's my arms and my hands. More freckles or age spots and the skin is not as firm as it used to be. And then I have 2 age/sun spots near my neckline. Does it keep going downhill from here?

Lemon juice in the hair & Crisco or baby oil to tan faster by the pool in the backyard. Tried the SunIn stuff, but my hair turned GREEN from chlorine reacting to it, ended up with a really short hair cut.

I pretty much didn't tan except for a few times in my 20's & now in my mid 30's, I'm trying to learn to use sunscreen because I don't want wrinkles yet!

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Me too to all that!

I can tell you a couple of things that have gone down hill since breastfeeding....

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You want answers, do you want answers? so does he baby, Alex Jones Monday-Friday from 11:00-3:00 and on Sunday 4:00-6:00. I listen to him every weekday and got to say he has some great information on his sites. In fact I am listening to him right now.

As far as tanning goes, I just go to the beach.

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Maybe you should do that Monday-Friday 11:00-3:00, and on Sunday 4:00-6:00.

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I know I don't get there often enough, but God knows I surely try, It's a magic kind of medicine that no doctor could prescribe!

I can relate to all of this ladies!

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Crisco!! Tanning aid of choice back in the day. No wonder I look like a piece of bacon.

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DD, I toad you it was pucking hot.~~Kitty

Absolutely not! You are perfect the way you are. And you know of so many better ways to spend your time and money. Or waste it on kids. Get a massage for Pete's sake.

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