View Full Version : People poo-pooing on the Beach
Smiling JOe
05-30-2005, 08:49 PM
Only 3 days into the season, and already people are leaving crap all over the Beach. I've seen cigarette butts, dog poop, perma tents, beer cans, beer bottles, plastic bottles, plastic shovels and buckets, orange army men, inflatable swimming pools, etc. If I had a dump truck and a loader, I would have cleaned up much more than I did.
Please help keep our beaches clean. If you cannot haul your poop off the Beach at the end of the day, perhaps you should reconsider how much crap you should bring. If people keep this up, I will take action. Consider yourself warned.
aquaticbiology
05-30-2005, 09:45 PM
Good for you for cleaning up what you could! :clap_1: Half again as much was probably buried and you couldn't see it to get it. A lot of that crap gets blown back in and ends up in a trash layer on the bottom about 40'-60' down offshore. A hurricane will cover it up and then another will uncover it years later. We did a dive off the naval air station after Charlie went through to check conditions and we found a really old coke bottle and tons of stuff that didn't decompose that were exposed by the wave action. It looked a lot like a underwater landfill got dredged up. I hope the trench wasn't used for a landfill back in the day. I could see it happening with it being that close to land, but I pray not. There's no way to stop beach littering that hasn't been tried before except flaying the offenders with man-o-war tentacles. :bang:
I think/hope that people who find their way to this board are with the program.
I believe most people are conscientious about cleaning up their area, but with kids your area becomes the whole beach. The easy availability of cheap grab bags of brightly colored plastic beach toys is a problem. Some people seem to think the toys are disposable, and that if left scattered about, some other kids will get to play with them - like they're doing a good deed by "sharing". Or maybe there gets to be so many scattered about, that knowing whose is whose is confusing so they don't worry about it.
Then you have some stuff like the "camp" I saw decorated with balloons. The ballons were blowing away, or later they were popped and scattered on the beach.
The number of cig butts is alarming. I would like to see the people who leave all the butts I pick up have to swallow them. Ketchup would be allowed. :lol:
Landlocked
05-31-2005, 09:49 AM
Last time I was down, I sat down next to a pile of buffalo wing bones. How nice!
A reminder that leaving tents, chairs, toys, or any other items on the beach overnight is unsafe, illegal, and rude. Even if you think you have secured your stuff, overnight storms will scatter it, people will trip over it, and can cause injury or death to humans and sea creatures.
Fill in holes dug in the sand!!!
I think SOME people put up tents because they see Grayton as a nice, small, safe community.And, they see others who have been coming here for years putting tents up year after year. It is rude to knowingly let your tent blow away in a storm, leaving poles and covering all over the beach. It is rude to smoke and throw the butts in the sand where you know others are walking and playing.It is rude to drive your big truck on the beach and not watch for small children playing. It is rude to let your dog poop on the beach and not clean it up-- I don't necessarily think it is RUDE to come down as a Grayton newbie and put up a tent-some people just think that this is the way that it is done in a small community. Uneducated does not necessarily mean rude--but , the question of the day--Does rude mean uneducated??? Do law enforcement officials help "educate"??
lenzoe
05-31-2005, 11:44 AM
I think/hope that people who find their way to this board are with the program.
Unfortunately, you're right, so this is all preaching to the choir. Maybe you need to start another board specifically for the cigarette-butt-heads. Not sure the best way to go about attracting that audience, though.
For those of you that like to set good examples, picking up the occasional piece of trash, tsk-tsking loudly while shaking your head, and dropping it in a handy beach-side trash bag will at least make you feel slightly superior, if not better.
Aside from other folk's miscellaneous trash, for which I gladly use the beach-side trash bags, I promote a pack-it-in, pack-it-out philosophy. Most people must do the same or those bags would fill to overflowing on an hourly basis, so thanks to everyone that does take their trash off the beach with them.
And by the way, the public dune walk-overs are not the temporary storage sheds many people seem to think they are.
While we are on the subject of trash, and since most of us are "on board"-could we add-
PLEASE help clean up after July 4th!!!
I have always subscribed to the old Florida tourism slogan - "leave only footprints." Put your cans back in the cooler. Put your butts in a can and throw it all away in the trash cans located by each and every public beach access in Walton county. It's really not that hard.
As far as leaving stuff overnight, if it's just a tent or rented beach service items, then that should not be a problem. Really, it's just common sense.
Georgian
05-31-2005, 12:04 PM
I thought I was reading about PC Beach for a minute, then it hit me... You are talking about Sowal. If the type of trash you're mentioning is filtering in then there is definitely one thing we can all do. Is everyone ready? ONE....TWO....THREE....
Add $500k to all available property
I thought it was getting high enough....but obviously not
I like your attitude, JB. In general, the "tent people" are not out to get us-we all enjoy Grayton because it is a CLEAN, small, friendly place. Personally, I enjoy walking along the beach and seeing families gathered, vs. rows of blue beach chairs and umbrellas lining the ocean front.
We should do our part to help keep it clean.
I like your attitude, JB. In general, the "tent people" are not out to get us-we all enjoy Grayton because it is a CLEAN, small, friendly place. Personally, I enjoy walking along the beach and seeing families gathered, vs. rows of blue beach chairs and umbrellas lining the ocean front.
We should do our part to help keep it clean.
I think it just boils down to what is, and what is not, practical to break down at the end of every day. The problem comes when people leave not only a tent, but chairs, pails, coolers, floats, etc., all littered around the site. I DO find that objectionable.
seagrovelover
05-31-2005, 01:25 PM
Tough crowd :shock: speaking for some vacationers, we do clean up after ourselves and our kids. I think its just terrible that people would trash up such a beautiful place. We treasure your beach and its surroundings and treat it so. I pick up other peoples trash here in Missouri in our nearby state park and will do the same on your heavinly beaches. we love it there and respect that it is home to many. :wub:
Smiling JOe
05-31-2005, 02:57 PM
Last time I was down, I sat down next to a pile of buffalo wing bones. How nice!
That reminds me of the box of squid I found upon leaving only 2 ft from where I had been sitting. It was lost in the Sargassum.
(Kurt, I too, hope that the users of this Board do the right thing. I am trying to straighten out the few bad apples, who may occaisonally peek in.)
Smiling JOe
05-31-2005, 03:10 PM
I thought I was reading about PC Beach for a minute, then it hit me... You are talking about Sowal. If the type of trash you're mentioning is filtering in then there is definitely one thing we can all do. Is everyone ready? ONE....TWO....THREE....
Add $500k to all available property
I thought it was getting high enough....but obviously not
I don't understand. :idontno:
Surely, you are not suggesting that wealthy people are more conscientious than poor. If you are, shame on you. I have been blessed with the meeting of a diverse large number people on this earth, and I have quickly learned that one's income level or wealth does not make a person who he or she is. I could begin to rattle off many stories to prove my point, but I will refrain.
Georgian
05-31-2005, 05:07 PM
JB & Sue...I guess you leave your tents up overnight? If it's convenient to haul off do it. If not it's OK? For those of us who enjoy an early beach walk the open sand sure looks better than tents. Go to a campsite if you want to leave your tents up overnight. Grayton Beach State Park has some nice ones.
Georgian
05-31-2005, 05:14 PM
Smiling JOe
I agree that a person's wealth does not make them who they are but it seems that on average those who have higher incomes/wealth have greater appreciation/respect/consideration for the finer things (like Sowal beaches).
I know this is not always the case but I think it is mostly the case.
Is there a garbage problem in the Hamptons?
JB & Sue...I guess you leave your tents up overnight? If it's convenient to haul off do it. If not it's OK? For those of us who enjoy an early beach walk the open sand sure looks better than tents. Go to a campsite if you want to leave your tents up overnight. Grayton Beach State Park has some nice ones.
I never said that, so don't draw assumptions about me. Perhaps if you read more closely, you would see that my preference is for people to "leave only footprints." I was talking about people who may be in a gulf-front home for an entire week, utilizing the same spot on the beach every day.
Perhaps you should also direct your anger at the beach service companies, who leave chairs/umbrellas in the same spot for weeks on end. Honestly, what is the difference between that and a tent?
Georgian
05-31-2005, 05:38 PM
If someone (not you of course) is staying at a gulf-front home there is less reason to leave a tent out overnight.......unless they're lazy. Maybe we could all leave our garbage and other stuff in one spot(the one we use all week) and we could just clean it at one convenient time just before we leave.
Ocean Lover
05-31-2005, 05:57 PM
Is there a garbage problem in the Hamptons?
Probably not because they most likely pay someone to clean up for them.
Yes, there are some of us that are not wealthy but are still very conscientious regarding the beach. I do believe some tourists are just ignorant in regards to not filling in holes and leaving things on the beach overnight. Hopefully some will read this thread and SoWal beaches will benefit from it.
Smiling JOe
05-31-2005, 06:35 PM
Smiling JOe
I agree that a person's wealth does not make them who they are but it seems that on average those who have higher incomes/wealth have greater appreciation/respect/consideration for the finer things (like Sowal beaches).
I know this is not always the case but I think it is mostly the case.
Is there a garbage problem in the Hamptons?
I disagree. The "wealthy" people of whom you speak may have a greater appreciation for the finer things as you say, but that does not stop them from poo-pooing on the Beach. They are just able to poo-poo with finer crap. Let me further clarify by stating that I do not mean that wealthy people care less than poor people. I am simply saying that you cannot judge a person's concern or character by their wealth. There is trash in all economic levels of society.
As for the Hampton's, I have never been to the Hamptons so I cannot say. I know that in SoWal, we do not pay people to clean our beaches, so it is left up to those of us who care. Personally, I am growing tired of litter patrol. I will continue to do my part in keeping the place in which I live clean, but more and more, it is becoming a job.
Sorry, Georgian, but I'm not buying your comparisons. You seem to liken a beach service setup to a pile of beer cans and cig butts. Leaving a tent or umbrella overnight, and cleaning up everything else on a daily basis is not a problem. What do you think the term "beach service allowed" means in these rental brochures? It means they come the day you arrive, set up your chairs/ umbrella/tent/whatever, and it sits there for the duration of your stay.
Of course you should clean the whole area of trash/clutter every evening. If the setup is north of the high-tide line, it is technically on private property anyway. Some of these tents are a pain in the ass to set up/take down. It's just not practical to do it every single evening/morning. People put them up so their children don't get irradiated by our increasing lack of ozone protection.
If you want a totally untrammeled beach, I'm afraid you are looking in the wrong place. And it's only going to get worse in the coming years. I fully expect Grayton Beach to have an NFL franchise by 2025 :laughing1
I will agree, however, that anything left on a state park beach should be discarded by the county beach patrol.
Georgian
05-31-2005, 07:30 PM
SJ,
You're right, just because a person is wealthy does not prevent them from littering. And when they do litter who's to judge whether one piece of litter is more fine than another?
I agree "you cannot judge a person's concern or character by their wealth." and "There is trash in all economic levels of society." It is my opinion that there is less of it at the higher levels. Been to Mexico?
Are the people who stay on PC Beach from a lower economic level than those of us who stay on 30A?
Stop!!! Don't answer that.
I challenge you to first compare poo-poo accumulations specific to these areas.
And JB,
You seem to know an awful lot about these tents? Was that an assumption I made earlier or did I win the lottery?
Hey Folks, As my wife, a teacher of 24 years says, if you consider the average IQ is 100, why be stressed over the obvious. The lower half of the intelligence scale usually ruins things for everyone whether it be talking at the theatre, driving slowly in the passing lane, leaving items on the beach. Income probably has less to do with it although one could argue a correlation with smarts and personal wealth. I think more visitors equals greater trash issues. I try to pick up what flotsam I can when I visit.
I come to the beach to relax, not to fight with people. Same goes for these boards-I come here to talk about our wonderful upcoming trip, plan our outings based on your wonderful recommendations, and sit on lovely beaches with my family around me. No, Georgian, you do not win the lottery-My point was that we should not take other's actions as a personal offense to us. I really doubt if most folks with tents at the beach set them up on Saturday to ruin your view, or to act as rude visitors to this public space. Most visitors here clean up after themselves, and several on these boards clean up after others-I have been coming to this area for many years-thanks for the suggestion, but my family enjoys this wonderful, friendly area.
SJ,
You're right, just because a person is wealthy does not prevent them from littering. And when they do litter who's to judge whether one piece of litter is more fine than another?
I agree "you cannot judge a person's concern or character by their wealth." and "There is trash in all economic levels of society." It is my opinion that there is less of it at the higher levels. Been to Mexico?
Are the people who stay on PC Beach from a lower economic level than those of us who stay on 30A?
Stop!!! Don't answer that.
I challenge you to first compare poo-poo accumulations specific to these areas.
And JB,
You seem to know an awful lot about these tents? Was that an assumption I made earlier or did I win the lottery?
I don't own one, thank you. But I spend enough time down there to see all the different ones. This thread has gotten pretty pointless. I'm out.
Me too-on to bigger and better things, JB--see you this summer?!
seagrovelover
05-31-2005, 09:21 PM
next subject please :roll:
aquaticbiology
06-01-2005, 08:16 AM
We see a lot of this crap and I've spoken to many, many city/county/state officials about it. Any unattended stuff is considered to be litter and can be removed, or ordered to be removed, anytime. Most prinicipalities have litter laws already set up. The easiest way to stop people leaving tents/coolers setups on the beach, especially if they are left unattended overnight, is to simply "confiscate" them. They'll never leave anything littering the beach again. Nobody thinks of leaving stuff like that on the beaches of PCB as it simply just wouldn't be there in the morning, either "confiscated" for the use by the local fuzz or "considered a donation" by somebody headed for a local flea market. We, and probably most on this board, wouldn't think of leaving anything unattended overnight on any beach anywhere as it's not 'natural'.
Paula
06-01-2005, 08:56 AM
For the record, intelligence (IQ) -- assume the person is somewhere in the normal range -- does not predict conscientiousness (which means a sense of responsibility in addition to other characteristics), agreeableness, emotional intelligence, commitment to community, or any other characteristics that may be related to whether people irresponsibly leave stuff on the beach overnight or not. There is decades of research on the link between intelligence and success, consciousness, social responsibility and the link, if it exists at all, would be extremely small (my job is to read this research). In addition to what I've read in the research, my experience suggests that neither IQ or income predict one's commitment to communities or others (again, conscientiousness does).
There's even recent research that found that having lots of people with high-esteem around isn't necessarily the best for communities since it just means that people feel good about themselves --whether they translate those good feelings into a commitment toward others or their communities isn't related to self-esteem.
My guess is that if we wanted to screen people for whether or not they'd leave trash on the beach, we'd want to screen for conscientiousness and a sense of commitment to community rather whether they have high IQ or income.
BeachDreamer
06-01-2005, 03:07 PM
It probably has more to do with how their mamas raised them, than anything else. I don't think priviledge, circumstance, intelligence or self-confidence has anything to do with it. It is a question of consideration, and consideration has to be taught, and learned.
However, in defense of the tent culprits, they are probably well-meaning people who have no idea that others are having thread wars over their beach appendages.
southof30A
06-01-2005, 03:14 PM
Problem is, many of us rednecks can't even spell "concentousness" - let alone know what it means...
By the way, this redneck leaves nothin' but footprints on the beach and takes a bag along to pick up others' trash when on my daily walk.
Ocean Lover
06-01-2005, 03:31 PM
Problem is, many of us rednecks can't even spell "concentousness" - let alone know what it means...
By the way, this redneck leaves nothin' but footprints on the beach and takes a bag along to pick up others' trash when on my daily walk.
That's why there's spell check! :) Sounds like you are already pretty conscientious to me.
RiverOtter
06-01-2005, 05:32 PM
Perfect example of the "Me" generation :bang: Sure don't want to EVER see this happen to SolWal or anywhere else for that matter.
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/7687Trash-med.jpg
Perfect example of the "Me" generation :bang: Sure don't want to EVER see this happen to SolWal or anywhere else for that matter.
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/7687Trash-med.jpg
Is that you in the water?
RiverOtter
06-01-2005, 05:49 PM
Is that you in the water?
:nono1: Very funny... No, I haven't gotten that big yet :biggrin:
Paula
06-01-2005, 06:02 PM
I agree, Beach Dreamer, consideration for others is taught. That's what I'm hoping for my children. Whether they get straight A's or go to a private school or college is much less important to their happiness and long-term success as long as they make good use of their abilities. If they learn to respect the beach and their neighbors, they'll be in pretty good shape (and I think they're on the right track so far). We'll see if someday they're in the photo above (egads...).
seagrovelover
06-01-2005, 07:47 PM
Perfect example of the "Me" generation :bang: Sure don't want to EVER see this happen to SolWal or anywhere else for that matter.
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/7687Trash-med.jpg
That could be "party cove" at our beautiful Lake of the ozarks here in MO :pissed: it is gross.
RiverOtter
06-01-2005, 08:02 PM
That could be "party cove" at our beautiful Lake of the ozarks here in MO :pissed: it is gross.
Close ..... Lake Havasu City, AZ
Riverotter, My theory about IQ was right! The guy in the water is drinking Keystone NA and I don't think he's looking to recycle.
RiverOtter
06-02-2005, 07:45 AM
Riverotter, My theory about IQ was right! The guy in the water is drinking Keystone NA and I don't think he's looking to recycle.
:rofl: Now that's funny :floor:
I am disappointed by the tone of this thread. Of course, no garbage. But to think that tents don't belong. I had no idea. We can only afford to go to a beach one week a year. We want to stay near the water all day long without burning - the tents are great.
I have been disappointed in one thing at Grayton Beach. Your cars. So you don't like the vacationers bringing tents but it's alright to ruin the view with trucks and cars?
Landlocked
06-02-2005, 10:05 AM
I don't mind the cars so much. I wish I could use my truck to haul all my junk down to the beach instead of lugging it all the way down the beach. One year old children sure come with a bunch of stuff. :blink:
Ocean Lover
06-02-2005, 10:05 AM
I am disappointed by the tone of this thread. Of course, no garbage. But to think that tents don't belong. I had no idea. We can only afford to go to a beach one week a year. We want to stay near the water all day long without burning - the tents are great.
I have been disappointed in one thing at Grayton Beach. Your cars. So you don't like the vacationers bringing tents but it's alright to ruin the view with trucks and cars?
I think you may have misunderstood, it's leaving the tents on the beach overnight that is a problem.
No one leaves their vehicles on the beach for a week, or even overnight. There's been threads on here about pros and cons of vehicles, even a poll so you might want to vote. As long as it's legal people will drive on the beach.
Landlocked
06-02-2005, 11:54 AM
With my luck, the one day I decide to leave my tent overnight, a turtle would get tangled up in it. "Nooo, that's not my tent."
graytonrbust
06-04-2005, 05:43 PM
I don't understand. :idontno:
Surely, you are not suggesting that wealthy people are more conscientious than poor. If you are, shame on you. I have been blessed with the meeting of a diverse large number people on this earth, and I have quickly learned that one's income level or wealth does not make a person who he or she is. I could begin to rattle off many stories to prove my point, but I will refrain.
:clap_1: :clap_1: :clap_1: well said
graytonrbust
06-04-2005, 05:55 PM
I am disappointed by the tone of this thread. Of course, no garbage. But to think that tents don't belong. I had no idea. We can only afford to go to a beach one week a year. We want to stay near the water all day long without burning - the tents are great.
I have been disappointed in one thing at Grayton Beach. Your cars. So you don't like the vacationers bringing tents but it's alright to ruin the view with trucks and cars?
....or the people puling up right beside you and your little ones playing, and start fishing. I don't know, but it seems to me that all that bait, blood, etc. would lure sharks?
Does It? I always wondered, and try to stay away, or move if someone gets too close to me.
Can't we just all get along????
I wouldn't worry about bait attracting sharks, except for a few sharks that take the bait and are caught on the beach.
Shark fishing from the beach is now illegal, but some still do it. However, I haven't seen anyone chum the water in a long time. Apparently that's what they were doing in Pensacola last year when the kid got attacked.
Smiling JOe
06-04-2005, 07:30 PM
Walton County Code of Ordinances: Article IV, Sec. 22-54,
c)Fishing. It shall be unlawful for any person:
2) While on the beach or within 2500 feet from shore to intentionally fish for sharks or to fish by those methods commonly know as "chumming" or "bloodbaiting."...
As a side note, umbrellas are easy to set up and remove and can provide as much shade as a tent.
Paula
06-06-2005, 08:08 PM
My favorite umbrellas are those little one-person ones that are easy to carry to the beach and attach to a beach chair. You can get the umbrellas for about $5.00 and lightweight beach chairs for about $10.00. I found the chairs at Walmart and the umbrellas at a place up north but Walmart may have those as well.
Hey Folks, As my wife, a teacher of 24 years says, if you consider the average IQ is 100, why be stressed over the obvious. The lower half of the intelligence scale usually ruins things for everyone whether it be talking at the theatre, driving slowly in the passing lane, leaving items on the beach. Income probably has less to do with it although one could argue a correlation with smarts and personal wealth. I think more visitors equals greater trash issues. I try to pick up what flotsam I can when I visit.
Bob I always figured you for a young guy. Either you married someone much older or you're young at heart?
Problem is, many of us rednecks can't even spell "concentousness" - let alone know what it means...
By the way, this redneck leaves nothin' but footprints on the beach and takes a bag along to pick up others' trash when on my daily walk.
:clap_1:
Smiling JOe
06-10-2005, 11:29 PM
I guess all of the "poor" people, who store there poo-poo under the walkovers at Seaside, will leave their mark all over the beaches when TS Arlene comes to visit.
Kurt, I'm 49. Married ,two teenage daughters and a dog. Do not pass this on. Was at the beach this past week. Left before Arlene. Picked up my Sowal stickers at Seagrove Market. There's now a Nissan pickup driving around Orlando w/ "SoWal" in the back window. Met Ollie this past week having lunch at the Red Bar w/ a certain Realtor "everyone knows". If you want to see drastic change, take a look at the excavation between Little/Big Redfish Lake. Not good. Am sure the Bannerman family is "well" financially. We noticed more trash on the beach this year and used our plastic Publix shopping bags to store beach flotsam. The good news is that I saw a few others doing the same.
Kurt, I'm 49. Married ,two teenage daughters and a dog. Do not pass this on. Was at the beach this past week. Left before Arlene. Picked up my Sowal stickers at Seagrove Market. There's now a Nissan pickup driving around Orlando w/ "SoWal" in the back window. Met Ollie this past week having lunch at the Red Bar w/ a certain Realtor "everyone knows". If you want to see drastic change, take a look at the excavation between Little/Big Redfish Lake. Not good. Am sure the Bannerman family is "well" financially. We noticed more trash on the beach this year and used our plastic Publix shopping bags to store beach flotsam. The good news is that I saw a few others doing the same.
:wink:
Yeah I recycle those bags the same way. Thanks to you and everyone else for helping to promote the site. :clap_1:
phdphay
06-14-2005, 09:05 PM
Only 3 days into the season, and already people are leaving crap all over the Beach. I've seen cigarette butts, dog poop, perma tents, beer cans, beer bottles, plastic bottles, plastic shovels and buckets, orange army men, inflatable swimming pools, etc. If I had a dump truck and a loader, I would have cleaned up much more than I did.
Please help keep our beaches clean. If you cannot haul your poop off the Beach at the end of the day, perhaps you should reconsider how much crap you should bring. If people keep this up, I will take action. Consider yourself warned.
Okay, so let me get my beach etiquette straight. We're owners, not renters. I'd really like the leave our tent out during our next two-week stay because my husband and I have both had some skin cancer. My husband had open-heart surgery last summer, so setting up a tent every day would be out of the question for him. I'm not strong enough to do it. We can put away the chairs. So, would our plan be a breach of beach etiquette? We called a beach chair rental person, but they wanted $25 a day times 2 weeks - outrageous!
BeachDreamer
06-14-2005, 09:40 PM
Is there a difference between the etiquette rules for owners, and renters? From what I can tell, a tent left overnight could obstruct turtles whether the tent belongs to one or the other. I haven't figured out why it's okay for beach chair rental services to leave their stuff out though... :idontno:
I like the beach chair with umbrella idea. Or failing that, a bigger umbrella or maybe a dome shade tent that could be picked up and moved easily without breaking it down.
Smiling JOe
06-14-2005, 10:32 PM
So, would our plan be a breach of beach etiquette?
Not a question of beach etiquette, but beach law in Walton County.
phdphay
06-14-2005, 10:40 PM
Is there a difference between the etiquette rules for owners, and renters? From what I can tell, a tent left overnight could obstruct turtles whether the tent belongs to one or the other. I haven't figured out why it's okay for beach chair rental services to leave their stuff out though... :idontno:
I like the beach chair with umbrella idea. Or failing that, a bigger umbrella or maybe a dome shade tent that could be picked up and moved easily without breaking it down.
Well, since I pay about $100,000 a year for mortgage, taxes, and insurance to be there, and a renter doesn't, I should get a few privileges, don't ya think? It's not a matter of etiquette. Even an Easy-Up Tent is difficult to set up and break down when you have health problems. You'll understand when you're over 50. I'd like to be in my 20's, but physically I'm not there. :(
phdphay
06-14-2005, 10:50 PM
You know, Smiling JOe, it flat-out stinks to be old, but it's better than dead. And there are just some physical limitations that people have when they've had open-heart surgery. So we're just supposed to sit out in the sun and get skin cancer because we can't set up a tent every day? Is there no empathy in the world? I guess you cold-hearted forty-somethings would say, hey, if you can afford $100K per year, just tack on $25 a day for a beach chair guy to set up your chairs for your. Yup, thanks for your empathy. If you're lucky, you'll live this long.
phdphay
06-14-2005, 11:23 PM
Not a question of beach etiquette, but beach law in Walton County.
Dude, you're at 941. I gotta keep typing. Thank goodness professors don't teach in the summer. Maybe I can add these posts to my list of publications for merit pay (LOL)?
BeachDreamer
06-14-2005, 11:40 PM
I'd like to be in my 20's, but physically I'm not there. :(
And I'd like to own property in SoWal, but financially I'm not there. :biggrin:
Seriously though, it's kinda sad to hear someone complain about being forced to "sit out in the sun" at the most beautiful beaches in the world, and get skin cancer. If only 95% of the rest of America were so fortunate!
Put the word out - I bet any neighboring kid would be thrilled to earn a few bucks this summer by setting up and taking down your tent for you everyday.
Smiling JOe
06-15-2005, 07:16 AM
You know, Smiling JOe, it flat-out stinks to be old, but it's better than dead. And there are just some physical limitations that people have when they've had open-heart surgery. So we're just supposed to sit out in the sun and get skin cancer because we can't set up a tent every day? Is there no empathy in the world? I guess you cold-hearted forty-somethings would say, hey, if you can afford $100K per year, just tack on $25 a day for a beach chair guy to set up your chairs for your. Yup, thanks for your empathy. If you're lucky, you'll live this long.
Tell it to someone who has authority to make changes, Cindy Meadows, your County Commissioner for District 5.
Cindy Meadows
90 Spires Lane, Unit 7-A
Santa Rosa Beach, FL. 32459
Phone: (850) 622-3059
Fax: (850) 622-3067
e-mail: meacindy@co.walton.fl.us
phdphay
06-15-2005, 09:18 AM
And I'd like to own property in SoWal, but financially I'm not there. :biggrin:
Seriously though, it's kinda sad to hear someone complain about being forced to "sit out in the sun" at the most beautiful beaches in the world, and get skin cancer. If only 95% of the rest of America were so fortunate!
Put the word out - I bet any neighboring kid would be thrilled to earn a few bucks this summer by setting up and taking down your tent for you everyday.
It's also sad to be physically unable to do things you used to do. :'( We'll just pay someone to take care of it for us.
GraytonBound
06-15-2005, 09:22 AM
you cold-hearted forty-somethings
Wow, that gator really does bite :blink:
Good morning phdphay. Calm down, you know we love you :wub:
thumper
06-15-2005, 12:09 PM
pdhphay, you said in another thread, and imply in this one, that "Apparently the beach crowd is turned off by people who are ill and handicapped" , in regards to you setting up a tent. Please understand, it's nothing to do with you, and not about "preserving photo ops" as you say. It's about preserving the beach and its wildlife --being a responsible citizen. Tents and other debris left on the beach not only can erode the beach if left out overnight, but can prevent sea turtles from nesting and propagating...they're endangered.
You say owners should get more "priveleges." Certainly you don't mean that we owners shouldn't concern ourselves with beach preservation... Seems to me owners should be setting the example of how to take proper care of our beaches. (you wouldnt want folks in your neighborhood tossing thier garbage on the lawn and street because they were too infirmed to bring the trash cans to the street, would you?)
It's not that anyone doesn't care about your skin cancer and surgeries. Please know that. I've had melanoma too, we do have to be more careful than others. But if we made exceptions for all of us, the beach that we live on will suffer. You're right, Easy-Ups are not so easy, truth be told, but there are other options. Personally, I bring easy-to-carry umbrellas and chairs, and take advantage of public pavilions.
We were there last week. We took our easy up tent. Also empty gallon milk containers, cut off the tops, filled with sand, tied string to handle, buried and enjoyed our tent during the day. Reversed that every afternoon, emptying the sand from the jugs, of course, and filling the holes back up.
seagrovelover
06-15-2005, 01:00 PM
good idea!!! :clap_1:
gotothebeachmom
06-15-2005, 01:05 PM
pdhphay, you said in another thread, and imply in this one, that "Apparently the beach crowd is turned off by people who are ill and handicapped" , in regards to you setting up a tent. Please understand, it's nothing to do with you, and not about "preserving photo ops" as you say. It's about preserving the beach and its wildlife --being a responsible citizen. Tents and other debris left on the beach not only can erode the beach if left out overnight, but can prevent sea turtles from nesting and propagating...they're endangered.
You say owners should get more "priveleges." Certainly you don't mean that we owners shouldn't concern ourselves with beach preservation... Seems to me owners should be setting the example of how to take proper care of our beaches. (you wouldnt want folks in your neighborhood tossing thier garbage on the lawn and street because they were too infirmed to bring the trash cans to the street, would you?)
It's not that anyone doesn't care about your skin cancer and surgeries. Please know that. I've had melanoma too, we do have to be more careful than others. But if we made exceptions for all of us, the beach that we live on will suffer. You're right, Easy-Ups are not so easy, truth be told, but there are other options. Personally, I bring easy-to-carry umbrellas and chairs, and take advantage of public pavilions.
Great post Thumper.:clap_1: Welcome to the board:welcome:
RiverOtter
06-15-2005, 03:14 PM
I sure it has been mentioned in this thread somewhere. The problem is the average visitor to the area will leave the Walmart canopy up for the duration of their stay (or until a storm knocks it over) and they do not take it back down (or pick up the twisted pieces) when they depart. We see this on the beach at High Pointe every time we are there. The other problem is the storms sometimes blow the canopy up on the dunes and they are not reachable. So once again a few are screwing things for many. We leave nothing behind. If I see my kid drop something wheather they mean to or not I make them pick it up or chase it down in the wind.
kathydwells
06-15-2005, 03:18 PM
I sure it has been mentioned in this thread somewhere. The problem is the average visitor to the area will leave the Walmart canopy up for the duration of their stay (or until a storm knocks it over) and they do not take it back down (or pick up the twisted pieces) when they depart. We see this on the beach at High Pointe every time we are there. The other problem is the storms sometimes blow the canopy up on the dunes and they are not reachable. So once again a few are screwing things for many. We leave nothing behind. If I see my kid drop something wheather they mean to or not I make them pick it up or chase it down in the wind.
And I do the same with my son!!!!
phdphay
06-15-2005, 03:24 PM
Slam me, Thumper, and add insult to injury by mocking my typo ("priveleges")! Sorry, I guess I sound bitter, but getting old stinks, you know it? Better than dead, though. It's been a tough year for us. I'll stop whining, deal with the bad along with the good, and be a good citizen with regard to the tent.
And for the record, I do care about beach preservation. I've asked people to get off the dunes many times, among other acts of good citizenship. And, of course, I wouldn't advocate a person throwing his/her trash on the street just because he/she is handicapped in some way. I frankly didn't know that tents impeded the sea turtles.
BTW it's "phd" as in "Ph.D."
Friends? :)
thumper
06-15-2005, 03:37 PM
Slam me, Thumper, and add insult to injury by mocking my typo ("priveleges")!
Whattyaknow, I didn't even know that WAS a typo. (is it privileges?)
Regardless, there was no slam there, phdphay. It was nothing more than a (hopefully) gentle and reasoned response to your own quotes. In several threads today you sounded quite upset with the "beach people", thinking it was discriminating against you and others who have health issues. I was trying to point out how that was not the case at all, and show a little understanding for your side at the same time.
and oh yes...FRIENDS....of course! :wink:
RiverOtter
06-15-2005, 05:01 PM
BTW it's "phd" as in "Ph.D."
Friends? :)
Ok... So what's phay? :idontno:
Smiling JOe
06-15-2005, 05:10 PM
Ok... So what's phay? :idontno:
My guess is, if phd is Ph.D., then phay is Ph.Ay. :idontno: What do you S.Ay.?
RiverOtter
06-15-2005, 05:40 PM
My guess is, if phd is Ph.D., then phay is Ph.Ay. :idontno: What do you S.Ay.?
:confused:
Smiling JOe
06-15-2005, 05:44 PM
:confused:
You will get it in a minute or two.
phdphay
06-15-2005, 06:05 PM
Ok... So what's phay? :idontno:
Fay, a Phlorida Gator, if you hadn't phigured that out. LOL.
Smiling JOe
06-15-2005, 06:11 PM
Fay, a Phlorida Gator, if you hadn't phigured that out. LOL.
What is your field of expertise, Ph.Ay.?
phdphay
06-15-2005, 06:35 PM
What is your field of expertise, Ph.Ay.?
Mathematics and computer science (graph theory, database applications, formal language theory, numerical analysis, and web programming just for fun)
southof30A
06-15-2005, 07:09 PM
Just sittin' here watching the day end on the beach. My two cents: Stuff left on the beach is unsightly, potentially hazardous and (mainly) against the law. The law is for all of us - no "preferential treatment" for owners vs. renters. We chose to be owners here - we need to set an example for others.
Sincerely,
nophdjustbsc
BeachDreamer
06-15-2005, 07:48 PM
My guess is, if phd is Ph.D., then phay is Ph.Ay. :idontno: What do you S.Ay.?
Hehehee...
BTW, Fay, surely you aren't that old. You have kids in college? Probably in your fifties? You have forty good years left in you! :D Life's a beach! (Or, the pineywoods if you are in East Texas, but I digress...)
phdphay
06-15-2005, 08:57 PM
Hehehee...
BTW, Fay, surely you aren't that old. You have kids in college? Probably in your fifties? You have forty good years left in you! :D Life's a beach! (Or, the pineywoods if you are in East Texas, but I digress...)
LOL. Phiphty-phive. Yup, you're right!
Lordy, I have spent many hours in East Texas. My mom was born in Canton and grew up in Tyler.
BeachDreamer
06-15-2005, 09:29 PM
Really? We're in the Marshall/Longview area. :-)
GraytonBound
06-15-2005, 10:07 PM
Mathematics and computer science (graph theory, database applications, formal language theory, numerical analysis, and web programming just for fun)
HOLY COW ! :shock:
And you have social skills to boot. :biggrin: (no ophense, just a joke)
phdphay
06-15-2005, 11:24 PM
Really? We're in the Marshall/Longview area. :-)
I dated a boy from Longview for several months when I was an undergrad at Tulane. His father was an M.D., and he had everything going for him - smart, beautiful, and a swimmer. Unfortunately, he died of a drug overdose before he graduated. What a waste!
phdphay
06-15-2005, 11:27 PM
"and oh yes...FRIENDS....of course! "
Thanks, Thumper!
HOLY COW ! :shock:
And you have social skills to boot. :biggrin: (no ophense, just a joke)
Now that's phunny.
Miss Kitty
06-19-2005, 07:19 AM
Here's my 2 cents worth...In trying to explain to my kids why we don't want to litter, I asked them what the world would look like if EVERYONE threw something on the ground on the same day? Same holds true for stuff left on beaches...can you imagine the beach with hundreds of tents and/or chairs left up for the season?
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