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SoWalSally
12-28-2005, 12:05 PM
From Walton Sun

Developers of the Downtown Seagrove project are selling a dream – the chance to own a piece of Hotel Viridian, an upscale hotel with high-end stores, fancy restaurants and a full-service spa –they hope will become a destination for visitors to South Walton.
Although several long-established companies will be temporarily relocated from the intersection of County Roads 30A and 395 while the complex is built, developers don’t want to lose the hometown community feel the area has known for many years.
At town hall meetings, locals asked developers of the project, “What are you going to do for us,” said Realtor Billy McConnell.
Seagrove Village Market and Seagrove on the Beach Realty will return once the project is completed. Region’s Bank will return to a site just north of the hotel at the corner of Grove Avenue and 395.
“And to make the locals feel warm and welcome, there will be The Georg, a lobby bar with patio doors opening to face the Gulf of Mexico,” said McConnell.
“The Georg will be a lively, upscale bar,” said Chip Harding one of the partners in DST Carnival, the developers of Hotel Viridian.
The complex, defined as a condo-tel, will have 30 hotel rooms and suites and 10 condominiums on the second, third and fourth floors.
The hotel rooms will range from 600 square feet to 1,200 square feet. The largest rooms, two corner king rooms on the second and third floors of the hotel, will offer Gulf views, a living-dining area, powder room, private bath with steam shower and soaking tub. The architect has eliminated the “long dark hallway of most hotel rooms,” said McConnell, “instead offering expansive entrances.”
The 10 condo-villas with two- and three-bedroom units are similarly designed.
Each room, suite and condos can be purchased as a permanent residence or can be placed in a rental program.
The project is still awaiting a development order, with demolition anticipated to begin in March and April, but pre-sales have begun.
Prices for the hotel rooms range from $299,000 to $1,995,000 and the condos from $2,260,000 to $2,950,000.
“The Seagrove Village Market will be in the same spot, and with the same flavor,” said Hartley on the first floor of the complex along with other high end retails shops. There will also be a hair salon and wellness center on that level.
The fourth floor rooftop 100-seat restaurant and bar will be available to guests of the condo-tel during the day and open to all in the evenings. A negative edge pool on that same floor will spill over to create a waterfall that is planned as a site for weddings and parties, said McConnell.
Parking for the complex will be provided in a 92-car underground parking garage.
For more information on the project, contact McConnell at (850) 865-2088.

More info at the architect's website. (http://www.dagarchitects.com/projects/project.aspx?PortfolioItemID=1834388568147348433)

kathydwells
12-28-2005, 12:13 PM
I am sad. :(

Ocean Lover
12-28-2005, 12:33 PM
“The Seagrove Village Market will be in the same spot, and with the same flavor,”

I don't really see how this can be. I'm really sad too KD.

kathydwells
12-28-2005, 12:40 PM
“The Seagrove Village Market will be in the same spot, and with the same flavor,”

I don't really see how this can be. I'm really sad too KD.

By the looks of the picture, it sure doesn't look like the same flavor to me. It looks too foo foo for me.

Ocean Lover
12-28-2005, 12:46 PM
By the looks of the picture, it sure doesn't look like the same flavor to me. It looks too foo foo for me.


I know, me too. :(

CastlesOfSand
12-28-2005, 12:53 PM
Wow, I can't believe it! Why change an already good thing? :roll:

Dunno

Beach Runner
12-28-2005, 01:25 PM
Makes me sad. :(

I was sad last night at Shades when I read the goodbye letter on the menu.
:(

Jeez, do you think in a few years 30-A will be high-rise land with a four-lane highway?

:puke:

seagrovelover
12-28-2005, 01:36 PM
OH man, what a bummer :(
we just love that place, its so charming and has that old town feel,
of course we will go to the new one but it looks so different...poo-poo :(

ShallowsNole
12-28-2005, 02:58 PM
Oh man...this REALLY breaks my heart.

The Village Market "is" Seagrove Beach. :(

Another piece of our history, gone.

FoX
12-28-2005, 07:34 PM
.....“The Seagrove Village Market will be in the same spot, and with the same flavor,”.....

...And to make the locals feel warm and welcome, there will be The Georg, a lobby bar with patio doors opening to face the Gulf of Mexico,”...

That's either the dumbest or the most insulting line I've ever heard from a developer. Can someone help me out? Are they so worried that locals will be upset about a couple of old buildings getting replaced? Are they worried that the project is obviously out of place and too dense?

How do you pronounce Georg? Is it George without the "E" for owner George Hartley? Or is it Gay-org after a russian czar?

iwishiwasthere
12-28-2005, 08:28 PM
Looks like it belongs in Destin not 30A area. For those who love the simplicity of the area, it destoys all of that feeling.

newyorker
12-28-2005, 08:32 PM
it will not be the same...note the emphasis is on "high end"--scruffy people who don't look decorative will be discouraged... I'm sad too...this does not look like the beach I know and love, but rather a glitzy NYC club (where are the developers putting the velvet ropes? Will the bar have bottle service and a VIP lounge? Will only certain beach attire be allowed? (sarcasm intended?)

What I love about Seagrove is its lack of pretension--this screams "conspicuous consumption" clear up to the "no edge pool..."" give me a break!!!

Oldtimer
12-28-2005, 08:47 PM
Isn't that just so special? :pissed: :pissed:

Greed will eventually ruin all the things that made 30-A "paradise". If folks want the Ritz, let them go where they are. We like the simple, folksy atmosphere that we used to have all along 30-A.

Happy New Year!!!!

SGB
12-28-2005, 10:44 PM
I also love the old time feel of Old Seagrove and I'm worried that this project will be the start of a bad trend. If one condo building is allowed in Old Seagrove on a whole block of lots, in the middle of single family houses on small lots, then a precendent will be set. Will a second condo building then be allowed in on the beach across the street? I'm worried that before we know it developers will buy up multiple adjacent homes and lots along the beach, and build condos all along that stretch. Will Old Seagrove end up looking like Blue Mountain Beach?

whitesands
12-28-2005, 11:02 PM
I may type this out and then erase it...when we were first down in sowal earlier in 2005 (our first experience), we ran into a gentleman who had lived there for 30 years. In our brief exchange, we said how beautiful we thought 30-A was. He was kind. He looked at us first as if to say nothing...then he said "You should have seen it 30 years ago." He described what he had known. To us, it was absolutely gorgeous...beautiful...now, but this was after Ivan...most of the dunes were gone...and there were beach houses on the "beach" side of 30-A...we though it was beautiful...with almost no dunes and with the beach houses gulf side...he though it had been spoiled. Progress, I guess, as with beauty, is in the eye of the beholder AT THE TIME! We are going down for Jan and Feb and looking forward to it...even in the "off season"...some, I guess, are already heart-broken and feel that paradise is lost. We feel we've just found it. It truly is in the eye of the beholder. I'll chance posting this reply just from our perspective...and so it goes...

peapod1980
12-28-2005, 11:35 PM
...some, I guess, are already heart-broken and feel that paradise is lost. We feel we've just found it. It truly is in the eye of the beholder. I'll chance posting this reply just from our perspective...and so it goes...
Whitesands, say it! Perspective from all directions is good for all of us.

OnMackBayou
12-29-2005, 12:09 AM
I must say, when I saw the article and picture in the paper, my first thought was, wow!, what a beautiful place this will be. There are lots of good reasons to go to 30a, and this will be another one.

But I don't have the same perspective a lot of you have. I've been in the Market many times. It doesn't really make me nostalgic to think it will be gone, or changed. But we've all probably had special places which have undergone changes, and it can be sad to see "progress" begin to alter our view of how things ought to be.

For people fairly new to the area, like me, this will be another development that is appealing and expected. For those who've been here longer, it's probably painful to see 30a changing so quickly and drastically. How you feel about it depends on when you got here.

pk305
12-29-2005, 12:33 AM
What I love about Seagrove is its lack of pretension.

We feel we've just found it. It truly is in the eye of the beholder.

WELL said, newyorker & whitesands!!

Like so many other things we deal with in life, it's mixed emotions for sure!!
It's sad in so many ways and I will miss it terribly. I am especially sad to think that my grandchildren are too young to remember "THE MARKET" and will never know & love it as we do. At the same time, we'll dust off our sandals and just keep on lovin' Seagrove and do our part to keep it unpretentious & beautiful for all those who will see it through fresh eyes!

skippertoo
12-29-2005, 06:35 AM
:(

I have seen many changes in the past 18 years since I "found" Seagrove and I am becoming more and more sad each year.

nowgirl
12-29-2005, 08:16 AM
Pardon my going straight to logistics, where the heck are all of those contractors going to park while this thing is under construction? :idontno:

Smiling JOe
12-29-2005, 09:17 AM
Pardon my going straight to logistics, where the heck are all of those contractors going to park while this thing is under construction? :idontno: On the new bike path in front of the Market -- everyone else is doing it. :floor:

FoX
12-29-2005, 09:19 AM
Pardon my going straight to logistics, where the heck are all of those contractors going to park while this thing is under construction? :idontno:

On the bike path of course. :bang:

My hunch is that many of the people who will be upset about the loss of a convenience store that serves greasy food are the same ones that are thrilled to have a Publix in Seagrove.

Scooter
12-29-2005, 09:28 AM
Very sad about Seagrove Market. We have the Grayton Grand. Now Seagrove can have thier version. :bang:

Miss Kitty
12-29-2005, 09:29 AM
We're screwed. jdarg...wll you buy me a drink if I walk in wearing head to toe TARGET with sand all over me???? Who's the sell out...GEORG???? This belongs in SoBe not SoWal.

jdarg
12-29-2005, 09:30 AM
We're screwed. jdarg...wll you buy me a drink if I walk in wearing head to toe TARGET with sand all over me???? Who's the sell out...GEORG???? This belongs in SoBe not SoWal.


Yes YOU can wear Target. Everyone else has to wear the thong.

Smiling JOe
12-29-2005, 09:41 AM
I am more saddened to see Sandor's go that the Market and the out of place bank building next door. As I said earlier this year after seeing the sketches, this new "downtown Seagrove" building looks out of character, so it should fit in well in the ever-changing 30-A area. "Downtown Seagrove" :scratch: -- Is that like "Downtown Carillon?"

Wastin Away
12-29-2005, 09:48 AM
We just went to the market last night, my husband, myself, and our 3 kids. There is nothing like those grouper sandwiches, and I am not a fish eater.
What a shame this will be. We always go at least once when we are here and it's that old beach village atmosphere that we like. My husband just made a comment driving home after he saw the picture that it is going to be such a shame because they are doing away with the old beach villages. Are these really improvements?

kathydwells
12-29-2005, 09:49 AM
My hunch is that many of the people who will be upset about the loss of a convenience store that serves greasy food are the same ones that are thrilled to have a Publix in Seagrove.

Yep, that would be me FoX and the food is not all greasy. And yes, I am very thrilled to have a Publix in Seagrove, Thank you.

ShallowsNole
12-29-2005, 09:57 AM
On the bike path of course. :bang:

My hunch is that many of the people who will be upset about the loss of a convenience store that serves greasy food are the same ones that are thrilled to have a Publix in Seagrove.


And what exactly is the problem with that?

I'll admit it...I am attached to the BUILDING. Another fixture bulldozed in the name of "progress." The atmosphere, and function, of the Market has changed over the years, but it has always been the place to go with a wet swimsuit and sandy feet.

I could care less about the Regions building. That's as out of place as the new complex will be.

At least maybe there will be somewhere to park. :bang:

Smiling JOe
12-29-2005, 10:04 AM
I want to clarify my earlier statement. I, too, like the casual beachy feel of the building in which the Market is located. Before long, you will be required to wear kakhi pants and white shirts, or even worse, coats and ties, to enter these new upscale places. I like the places where I can let my hair down (if I had any to let down) and the market is one of those places. I cannot say that I shop at that market, or eat often at the restaurant, but when I do go in there, I certainly feel at home.

kathydwells
12-29-2005, 10:09 AM
I want to clarify my earlier statement. I, too, like the casual beachy feel of the building in which the Market is located. Before long, you will be required to wear kakhi pants and white shirts, or even worse, coats and ties, to enter these new upscale places. I like the places where I can let my hair down (if I had any to let down) and the market is one of those places. I cannot say that I shop at that market, or eat often at the restaurant, but when I do go in there, I certainly feel at home.

My thoughts exactly SJ. Except, most of the time when I am at the beach, I am bra-less. Meaning, I rarely have any other clothes on except my bathing suit and cover up. I am alway's shoeless. I picture a big sign on the door that say's. Shirts and shoes required......I have a lot of feelings about the look of the new place. But I will keep those sad feelings to myself. I know that I will continue to come to Seagrove Beach and Love it. I will alway's have the "old" Market in my heart!!!!

peapod1980
12-29-2005, 10:52 AM
Before long, you will be required to wear kakhi pants and white shirts, or even worse, coats and ties, to enter these new upscale places.
I can still remember the day I walked straight from the beach into Sundog (when it was on the beach side) barefoot, and stopped at the door, realizing I was about to enter a business shoeless. To this day, I remember the owner (sorry, his name escapes me at the moment...) saying, "You're at the beach! You don't need shoes!" And being able to go into almost anywhere along 30A "as is." I have a hard time wrapping my brain around any other scenario.

iwishiwasthere
12-29-2005, 11:46 AM
That owner had the right idea...make all feel welcome. No pretense.

jessifunn
12-29-2005, 05:56 PM
that building looks huge! how is it ever going to fit there? i don't like it and i really don't love it :(

Smiling JOe
12-29-2005, 06:37 PM
that building looks huge! how is it ever going to fit there? i don't like it and i really don't love it :(The building will stretch from 30-A all the way down thru Sandor's at least, maybe further.

newyorker
12-29-2005, 09:44 PM
We (Mr Newyorker and I) loved Sandor's--we'd always wait to celebrate our late June wedding anniversary till we got to Seagrove so we'd have a good excuse to have a blowout dinner at Sandors. The food there was some of the best in North America, served in an atmosphere where we were made to feel comfortable and welcome.
Seagrove Market was a place to go in wearing flipflops and a bathing suit with shorts over it--and the live oaks next door to the market were always spooky and reminded us that we really were in a gorgeous and wild place. The new building is SoBe-like (or NYC trendy)--I live with NY pretentious--and I could actually save money by going to the Hamptons (I wouldn't have to fly) --but they're horribly pretentious and full of buildings like this one and with people who like to dress up at the beach. These sorts of developments disguise and try to tame nature--they're out of place totally.
But like many of you....I guess there's no turning back. But if more and more high rise condo-tels (love that one!) get built --then how will Sowal be any different than Destin ?(which, IMHO, is awful)

skippertoo
12-30-2005, 06:44 AM
I want to clarify my earlier statement. I, too, like the casual beachy feel of the building in which the Market is located. Before long, you will be required to wear kakhi pants and white shirts, or even worse, coats and ties, to enter these new upscale places. I like the places where I can let my hair down (if I had any to let down) and the market is one of those places. I cannot say that I shop at that market, or eat often at the restaurant, but when I do go in there, I certainly feel at home.

Thats better ! Really does not matter about the shirt & shoes because I will not be going to the new place anyway.
Sandors was good.

OKon30a
12-30-2005, 09:33 AM
Hello Seagrove Market...and then some- what an awesome project. I stopped in yesterday (old Sansors cafe, never dined there- could'nt figure it out ?) marketing office to find out what was really going on...this is a 5 star addition to the very heart of Seagrove that will compliment it's natural beauty and surroundings. Anyone wandering what's going on should do the same. I reserved a small, affordable unit then sent my brother over there to reserve the last one. Hope he gets it. The renderings are great and Billy and Chip are good ol' folksy guys who love the area as much as we do! Wish them much success as they move forward with this exciting venture.

steele mama
12-30-2005, 10:19 AM
I can still remember the day I walked straight from the beach into Sundog (when it was on the beach side) barefoot, and stopped at the door, realizing I was about to enter a business shoeless. To this day, I remember the owner (sorry, his name escapes me at the moment...) saying, "You're at the beach! You don't need shoes!" And being able to go into almost anywhere along 30A "as is." I have a hard time wrapping my brain around any other scenario.
Memories: I remember the summer that someone sold out "The Store" at Grayton and someone else tore out all the old wooden booths with names carved in every inch and I guess burned it or whatever. The Paradise Cafe opened up complete with candlelight and linen tablecloths. I refused to go into the building for a long time but one night went in for supper with Mama Sis. I could not even eat, I was choking back tears through the whole dinner. Well, the Paradise Cafe did not succeed but the Red Bar has and is far more in line with what The Store was but still not The Store. Things change. Thanks to the Friends of Grayton who helped to limit the construction of condos on the beach. Large houses still go up...things change...patrones is gone...more houses...however, the beach is still as beautiful as it was 50 years ago and I'm sure 100 years ago and I'm sure 2000 years ago. Nature changes things too but it is still awesome, wonderful, beautiful! Man will keep changing things too. We can do what we can do to keep the changes good but definitely cannot control them all.

PS: Brooklyn is going through a similar thing right now. A large project is breaking ground which will add a lot to the city but also take away a lot from the city. Whole nuther subject.

Enjoy what God has given us and be responsible with all you have. :wub:

Oldtimer
12-30-2005, 01:23 PM
Memories: I remember the summer that someone sold out "The Store" at Grayton and someone else tore out all the old wooden booths with names carved in every inch and I guess burned it or whatever. The Paradise Cafe opened up complete with candlelight and linen tablecloths. I refused to go into the building for a long time but one night went in for supper with Mama Sis. I could not even eat, I was choking back tears through the whole dinner. Well, the Paradise Cafe did not succeed but the Red Bar has and is far more in line with what The Store was but still not The Store. Things change. Thanks to the Friends of Grayton who helped to limit the construction of condos on the beach. Large houses still go up...things change...patrones is gone...more houses...however, the beach is still as beautiful as it was 50 years ago and I'm sure 100 years ago and I'm sure 2000 years ago. Nature changes things too but it is still awesome, wonderful, beautiful! Man will keep changing things too. We can do what we can do to keep the changes good but definitely cannot control them all.

PS: Brooklyn is going through a similar thing right now. A large project is breaking ground which will add a lot to the city but also take away a lot from the city. Whole nuther subject.

Enjoy what God has given us and be responsible with all you have. :wub:
Well, said, Baby Sis, but as much fun as the Red Bar is and as much as we all enjoy going there and Borago, too, I still long for the old times and the truly laid back days when THE STORE was the THE place and no one locked their doors and there were no rules.

The beach is still truly beautiful at Grayton and Western Lake is still serene at sunrise and full moon.

I HATE that the Seagrove Market is going away (it will NOT be the same, no matter what folks promise). We went to the Market long before it was "cool". It was just the only place nearby and always had good food! We eat there every time we're down (or up depending on where we come from). They always had meat, veggies, and stuff to make a complete meal. Good wine selection, too.

Oh, well, I'll still work to keep the PINK house like things used to be as much as my siblings will allow. My dad finally added indoor showers about eight years ago. Naturally, I was opposed (who wants more showers to clean????)

Just some of my 2 cents worth.....Happy 2006!

steele mama
12-30-2005, 01:28 PM
Well, said, Baby Sis, but as much fun as the Red Bar is and as much as we all enjoy going there and Borago, too, I still long for the old times and the truly laid back days when THE STORE was the THE place and no one locked their doors and there were no rules.

The beach is still truly beautiful at Grayton and Western Lake is still serene at sunrise and full moon.

I HATE that the Seagrove Market is going away (it will NOT be the same, no matter what folks promise). We went to the Market long before it was "cool". It was just the only place nearby and always had good food! We eat there every time we're down (or up depending on where we come from). They always had meat, veggies, and stuff to make a complete meal. Good wine selection, too.

Oh, well, I'll still work to keep the PINK house like things used to be as much as my siblings will allow. My dad finally added indoor showers about eight years ago. Naturally, I was opposed (who wants more showers to clean????)

Just some of my 2 cents worth.....Happy 2006!
Hey sis. I was almost changing my mind and heading that way but my good sense (what there is of it) is getting the best of me. I hope you, Ralphie, J & B enjoy each other's company and relax. Not to worry!!! Love you! :wub:

Bob
12-30-2005, 09:41 PM
We were staying at Grayton Beach the last day Patrone's was open. My youngest daughter was the last customer. She bought a large sea shell. It would be great to be the the last customer at the "old" Seagrove Market. I would love to have the last grouper sandwich served there. People will talk about the Market for years to come.

SGB
12-30-2005, 10:03 PM
Things change. Thanks to the Friends of Grayton who helped to limit the construction of condos on the beach. Large houses still go up...things change...patrones is gone...more houses...however, the beach is still as beautiful as it was 50 years ago and I'm sure 100 years ago and I'm sure 2000 years ago.

Yes, things change and evolve. I understand that. And I will miss the Seagrove Market, but my main fear is that this massive, out of character, condo building will be the start of a trend in Old Seagrove. If you look at the little Pickets building next to this big condo building, there's just no compatibility. Personally, my view out over the trees will now be interrupted by a 4 story building. I can live with that, and expected it to happen at some point, I just hate to think that in a few years from, there will be many 4 story condo buildings along the beach in Old Seagrove. If one condo building is there, then it's easier for the next condo building to claim compatibility. Perhaps we need a "Friends of Old Seagrove" to limit the construction of condos on the beach, as was done in Grayton.

Wanda
12-30-2005, 10:09 PM
In a conversation with a young man at the Market this evening, he said they would probably be closing in April although there is some discussion of relocating to the Wheelhouse. The Market is one of our favorite places and regardless of where it reopens, it just won't be the same.

steele mama
12-30-2005, 11:29 PM
Perhaps we need a "Friends of Old Seagrove" to limit the construction of condos on the beach, as was done in Grayton.
That is a great idea. I think there are already plenty of condos at Seagrove. At Grayton they are suppose to be single family dwellings but they make them 3 stories on stilts and sleep 30. We have to count our blessings for those 4 story houses compared to the condos that people wanted to build. :eek:

SHELLY
12-31-2005, 01:38 PM
Would "South of Montgomery, AL" mean only on the southern outskirts of Montgomery or to a city south of Montgomery???

Here's an article: Sandor (http://forums.egullet.org/index.php?showtopic=68256&pid=933265&mode=threaded&show=&st=&)

SHELLY
12-31-2005, 01:44 PM
Yes, things change and evolve. I understand that. And I will miss the Seagrove Market, but my main fear is that this massive, out of character, condo building will be the start of a trend in Old Seagrove. If you look at the little Pickets building next to this big condo building, there's just no compatibility. Personally, my view out over the trees will now be interrupted by a 4 story building. I can live with that, and expected it to happen at some point, I just hate to think that in a few years from, there will be many 4 story condo buildings along the beach in Old Seagrove. If one condo building is there, then it's easier for the next condo building to claim compatibility. Perhaps we need a "Friends of Old Seagrove" to limit the construction of condos on the beach, as was done in Grayton.

And for their next trick the developers will try to get into bed with the local politicos who will declare the old neighborhood "blighted" and pull the "eminent domain" card.

kurt
12-31-2005, 01:48 PM
Here's an article: Sandor (http://forums.egullet.org/index.php?showtopic=68256&pid=933265&mode=threaded&show=&st=&)

Thanks Shelly. His new place sounds like it will be one of the top destinations for food lovers in the world. He'll probably have people flying in.

Smiling JOe
12-31-2005, 02:12 PM
Who would have ever thought that I would be talking about driving to Montgomery, AL to eat. Wow! The new Sandor's sounds like my kind of place. Thanks for the update, Shelly.

SoWalSally
12-31-2005, 02:16 PM
In order to make room for the Hotel Viridian at the intersection of County Roads 30A and 395 two long-time businesses will relocate.
Broker-agent Donna Crawford said Seagrove on the Beach Realty is moving temporarily into a doublewide trailer next to Yianni’s Seafood Grille on 30A. When the Viridian is complete, Crawford will have a spot in the first floor retail section of the complex.
George Hartley, owner of Seagrove Village Market, is in negotiations with Alys Beach for a permanent site, but retail spaces there are unavailable for up to two years. Hartley has his eye on a temporary location where he can serve up his famous grouper sandwiches at lunch and dinner.
Hartley also promises the restaurant will return in some form at its original location.

imasunbum
12-31-2005, 08:15 PM
Here's an article: Sandor (http://forums.egullet.org/index.php?showtopic=68256&pid=933265&mode=threaded&show=&st=&)

Thanks Shelley. It sounds great and only about 45 minutes for me. I will definitely be there.

nowgirl
12-31-2005, 08:46 PM
sure hope they work fast...have you seen that doublewide????

steele mama
01-01-2006, 12:02 AM
Happy New Year!

Nomad
01-01-2006, 01:36 PM
Last night we heard that one of the owners of Seagrove Village Market is also one of the developers for the new Seagrove project. Is this true? :idontno:

Smiling JOe
01-01-2006, 02:17 PM
Last night we heard that one of the owners of Seagrove Village Market is also one of the developers for the new Seagrove project. Is this true? :idontno: Maybe that is because DST Carnival, LLC now owns the Village Market property??? :idontno:

lurker1
01-01-2006, 03:05 PM
In economic and real estate worlds, one seeks the "highest and best use" for a property. This is defined by dollars, not nostalgia. Sure, I'll miss the old market, but in life change is inevitable.

In my opinion, there are bigger issues to fret about. For example, the seawalls appear to be a disaster in the making. The coastal dune lakes are threaten by run-off from all the new construction. I've seen people draining their swimming pools into Western Lake. I see brown sand dumped next to the boat ramp in Grayton. These are issues that we can influence through activism. Crying about losing the market is futile.

Bob
01-01-2006, 07:13 PM
In economic and real estate worlds, one seeks the "highest and best use" for a property. This is defined by dollars, not nostalgia. Sure, I'll miss the old market, but in life change is inevitable.

In my opinion, there are bigger issues to fret about. For example, the seawalls appear to be a disaster in the making. The coastal dune lakes are threaten by run-off from all the new construction. I've seen people draining their swimming pools into Western Lake. I see brown sand dumped next to the boat ramp in Grayton. These are issues that we can influence through activism. Crying about losing the market is futile.The endgame for "highest and best use" is highrise condos. 30A is an anamoly to this economically criminal behavior. The ranting is over a throwback gathering place being displaced by developers who may not care about the existing character of the community. Would you want this project plunked down on Banfill???

lurker1
01-01-2006, 07:39 PM
BOB - of course I wouldn't want to see this project on Banfill Street. Fortunately, current zoning would prevent this. The site at 30A and 395 was previously zoned for a hotel. This is a lawful use for the property (whether I personally like it or not).

My point is for folks to get active. Petition local government to tighten zoning, if that's what you want. Nostalgia doesn't solve the problem of over-zealous development; activism can (I hope).

Santiago
01-01-2006, 08:05 PM
Last night we heard that one of the owners of Seagrove Village Market is also one of the developers for the new Seagrove project. Is this true? :idontno:
yes

SHELLY
01-01-2006, 09:57 PM
In economic and real estate worlds, one seeks the "highest and best use" for a property. This is defined by dollars, not nostalgia. Sure, I'll miss the old market, but in life change is inevitable.

In my opinion, there are bigger issues to fret about. For example, the seawalls appear to be a disaster in the making. The coastal dune lakes are threaten by run-off from all the new construction. I've seen people draining their swimming pools into Western Lake. I see brown sand dumped next to the boat ramp in Grayton. These are issues that we can influence through activism. Crying about losing the market is futile.

Seawalls, new construction, and using cheap brown sand is also defined by dollars....sounds as if you might be overly "nostalgic" about the white beaches of the area...but as you said, "change is inevitable"...so let it go.

Franny
01-03-2006, 04:42 PM
I wish we knew of a good photographer to capture the memories...anyone :idontno: Just kidding Kurt...but would love a professional picture of the Seagrove Market :clap_1:

Franny
01-03-2006, 04:48 PM
Yep, that would be me FoX and the food is not all greasy. And yes, I am very thrilled to have a Publix in Seagrove, Thank you.
Dito KD!!! :lolabove: Obviously not everyone knows what it is like to drive 25-30 minutes in the middle of summer to buy groceries and race home before everything melts or goes bad! As far as greasy..it's fried, not greasy. And they have several grilled items that are very good as well.

Scooter
01-09-2006, 05:23 PM
Hey Lurker1 - let me know what I can do to help. I'll write letters, etc. Western Lake and Grayton beach are my main concerns. Someday soon I plan to be a resident. I've been involved with zoning issues and commissioners in my area and have very strong feelings concerning overdevelopment. :bang:

TN Eagle
08-20-2006, 09:01 AM
Wow, I can't believe it! Why change an already good thing? :roll:

Dunno

GREED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!