Michelle

[Geo]

Wow! Did you guys hear her speak? I can't help but think that is going to help with some undecideds, in particular- female Clinton supporters. But regardless-

SHE WAS INCREDIBLE!

:clap::clap::clap:

[seagrovegirl]

She was.......a much better speaker than Barack....I couldn't help but notice that.

[Johnrudy]

She was.......a much better speaker than Barack....I couldn't help but notice that.

I thought the same thing! I could listen to her for the next 4 years easily. She was captivating.

[drivingtheview]

She did a very nice job. Simple, warm, concise, and real. That being said, not sure I could listen to her for the next four years! Also, I just can't forsee a candidates' spouse swaying anyone's vote. We're still a week out from labor day and 2+ months away from election day. Michelle and Cindy will be rarely seen and even less heard over the next 60+ days. But what do I know???

[hnooe]

The Democratic National Convention 2008 is History in the making, for all Americans, regardless of political affiliation. I was very proud of her. :clap:

[full time]

The Democratic National Convention 2008 is History in the making, for all Americans, regardless of political affiliation. I was very proud of her. :clap:

What would give you reason to think that people would react or behave differently than you? Your "political affiliation" apparently prevents you from recognizing Secretary of State Rice's acheivements. It was a nice night for Ms. Obama and the African-American community at large.

[goofer44]

I LISTENED to the speech on xm radio. I thought it was disengenuous and a crock at best !! When I got home I WATCHED the highlights on TV and had a different opinion because I was caught up in the visuals. Watching and listening yielded 2 different impressions.

[steeleing1]

Isn't she lovely?

[Smiling JOe]

I watched "John Lenon vs the US Gov't" instead. It was very political and real. I highly recommend it -- available on netflix.

[rapunzel]

I watched "John Lenon vs the US Gov't" instead. It was very political and real. I highly recommend it -- available on netflix.

So your not even giving both parties a chance? I always watch both conventions -- at least the big deal parts -- to make sure I'm giving both candidates a fair hearing.

Now, I wouldn't expect you to sit through Jim Leach, et al....but you really ought to watch the main events given your political interest and acumen.

I thought she was touching and great, but frankly I think Sasha stole the show. The campaing sent out a behind the scenes video showing Michelle preparing for the speech. She also had to talk Sasha into coming out on stage. From shy to ham in record time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRnhSnVR8s4

Shyness --

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnXug4vDe6A]

Adorable!

[Miss Kitty]

Loved Michelle's dress! I bet both M/M Obama aced speech class!

[hnooe]

What would give you reason to think that people would react or behave differently than you? Your "political affiliation" apparently prevents you from recognizing Secretary of State Rice's acheivements. It was a nice night for Ms. Obama and the African-American community at large.

Fulltime, I am at loss for words. I was only complimenting Michelle Obama's speech? ....did not mention Condi Rice..huh?:idontno:

[jdarg]

I was hoping for at least one Obama thread that was left alone by posters that vehemently hate Obama and Democrats- the same ones that spend their day going from Dem realted thread to thread, making nasty comments, and moving to the next because they can't start a positive conversation about their own candidate. Why is that?

It seems if these posters spent some of this negative energy on being positive about their own candidates, they could accomplish much. Now I see their names, and move on.

Michelle and her family would be such a class act as first family.:clap:

[full time]

Fulltime, I am at loss for words. I was only complimenting Michelle Obama's speech? ....did not mention Condi Rice..huh?:idontno:

Just pointing out your blatant hypocrisy that eveyone regardless of "political affiliation" should cherish the Obama's moment in history (which I do) while at the same time ridiculing as a "photo-op" the first African-American female Secretary of State simply because she rose to prominence under a President you detest. Do I need to pull up your posts for sake of clarity?

[tistheseason]

I LOVE Michelle -- her speech was awesome. She is awesome!

[Smiling JOe]

Sorry, Jdarg, the question was asked whether or not we heard her speak. I wasn't trying to dis the Dems in the thread.

Punzy, I'm not sure how my not watching the entire DNC equates to not giving them a chance. Michelle isn't running for Pres, nor is Ted Kennedy, nor is Jimmy Carter. I assure you that I learned more about the US Gov't from watching the John Lenon movie than I would have from watching the DNC.
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[TooFarTampa]

I LOVE Michelle -- her speech was awesome. She is awesome!

I totally agree. I realize this has nothing to do with whether Obama should be elected, but I love seeing those little girls and seeing them as a family. I do believe they are genuine and highly intelligent people (well, as genuine as you can be in politics), and it is a pleasure to watch them interact.

[jdarg]

Sorry, Jdarg, the question was asked whether or not we heard her speak. I wasn't trying to dis the Dems in the thread.

Punzy, I'm not sure how my not watching the entire DNC equates to not giving them a chance. Michelle isn't running for Pres, nor is Ted Kennedy, nor is Jimmy Carter. I assure you that I learned more about the US Gov't from watching the John Lenon movie than I would have from watching the DNC.
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Actually, this was one of the better Dem threads this morning. I should have posted my comment on some of the others threads, which had the juvenile and mean comments. I don't know why I am surprised about what I read - :lol:

[beachmouse]

And then the kids stole the show at the end. To quote the Fark headline- Sasha Obama is cuter than Hello Kitty having a tea party with Stephanie from Lazy Town with two kitty cats on Unicorn day

[maeby funke]

Wow! Did you guys hear her speak? I can't help but think that is going to help with some undecideds, in particular- female Clinton supporters. But regardless-

SHE WAS INCREDIBLE!

:clap::clap::clap:

I can't adequately express how wonderful her speech was last night. It was perfect. I just pray that people who weren't sure about her tuned in last night. What an amazing, inspiring woman! :wub:

[jdarg]

I can't adequately express how wonderful her speech was last night. It was perfect. I just pray that people who weren't sure about her tuned in last night. What an amazing, inspiring woman! :wub:

And I think she is a very important part of Obama as our President - the whole package has to be right, not just him. All the "morals and values" people need look no further than this inspiring and all-American family.

[scooterbug44]

I thought that Michelle's brother, Sen. Kennedy, and Michelle all gave great speeches!

Wasn't surprised that she was a good speaker as she IS a Harvard educated lawyer. :biggrin:

[shellak]

michelle did a wonderful job telling the stories of both families as well as her and obama's relationship. now tell me..do i have to like condoleeza rice if i like michelle obama? my feelings on condee have nothing to do with whether she is a republican or democrat - i actually don't think she has an independent thought, unlike colin powell, who paid for his disagreeing with the bush/rove policies.

[full time]

michelle did a wonderful job telling the stories of both families as well as her and obama's relationship. now tell me..do i have to like condoleeza rice if i like michelle obama? my feelings on condee have nothing to do with whether she is a republican or democrat - i actually don't think she has an independent thought, unlike colin powell, who paid for his disagreeing with the bush/rove policies.

I see - so Rice must agree with you in order to attain status as an "independent". Very enlightened!

[cp]

I see - so Rice must agree with you in order to attain status as an "independent". Very enlightened!
I don't think that is what he meant when he said she didn't have a independent thought.........

[LuciferSam]

michelle did a wonderful job telling the stories of both families as well as her and obama's relationship. now tell me..do i have to like condoleeza rice if i like michelle obama? my feelings on condee have nothing to do with whether she is a republican or democrat - i actually don't think she has an independent thought, unlike colin powell, who paid for his disagreeing with the bush/rove policies.

The Michelle/Condi comparison is apples to oranges anyway. A future first lady givng an inspirational speech at her husband's convention vs. a Cabinet member who regularly talks about important national issues. Which do you suppose warrants more critical thinking on the part of the listener? It's Condi's job to be more than inspirational.

I'm sure Condi would do just fine in the role of first lady. After all, she once referred to dubya as her husband. Go figure.

[full time]

The Michelle/Condi comparison is apples to oranges anyway. A future first lady givng an inspirational speech at her husband's convention vs. a Cabinet member who regularly talks about important national issues. Which do you suppose warrants more critical thinking on the part of the listener? It's Condi's job to be more than inspirational.

I'm sure Condi would do just fine in the role of first lady. After all, she once referred to dubya as her husband. Go figure.

Critical thinking does not equate with exact-mindedness. It requires a large dose of intellectual dishonesty to call for the celebration of the historical accomplishments of minorities who have liberal leanings while degrading any minority who would dare such accomplishments with views divergent of your own. It's what opens up the Democratic Party in national elections to effective charges of elitism. Elitism has less to do with money or the name of the universtiy on your diploma, and more to do with coming off like a snob.

[LuciferSam]

Critical thinking does not equate with exact-mindedness. It requires a large dose of intellectual dishonesty to call for the celebration of the historical accomplishments of minorities who have liberal leanings while degrading any minority who would dare such accomplishments with views divergent of your own. It's what opens up the Democratic Party in national elections to effective charges of elitism. Elitism has less to do with money or the name of the universtiy on your diploma, and more to do with coming off like a snob.

You may find this hard to believe, but some of us are WAY beyond the idea that subjects being discussed are minorities. It is the last thing on my mind in this case. That is why the comparison between Condi and Michelle seems absurd. They have so little in common. Condi is irrelevant to the discussion. This discussion is not about minorities or race to me, and there is no reason it should be.

[6thGen]

If race isn't an issue then why is this "history in the making"?

[Geo]

If race isn't an issue then why is this "history in the making"?

Oooh. Good one.
:popcorn:

[full time]

The Democratic National Convention 2008 is History in the making, for all Americans, regardless of political affiliation. I was very proud of her. :clap:

In your haste to get at me about "critical thinking", you may have missed what started the discussion. cf above.

[Santiago]

Everyone knows that Obama is the first African American that is clean, articulate and nice looking, at least that's what Joe Biden said. I would say that his wife fits that description as well. The bottom line is that they have a socialist agenda. You either like that or you don't. It has nothing to do with their speeches, Dubya, Condi, or anything else as far as I'm concerned. Do I think that the world's going to end if he's elected, no. Am I going to be mad, no. Disappointed maybe but not mad. I just don't think that our country needs to go in that direction now or ever. As far as the first sentence in this post, I'm just having a little fun with Biden who is a pompous horse's ass and always has been.

[LuciferSam]

If race isn't an issue then why is this "history in the making"?

[EDIT]First off, those aren't my words but anyway...
I guess you are talking about this remark by hnooe2000 which started it all:

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Originally Posted by hnooe2000
The Democratic National Convention 2008 is History in the making, for all
Americans, regardless of political affiliation. I was very proud of her.
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All I can say is that Michelle's speech was simply a darn good one. My enthusiasm has nothing to do with her race. The speech was a way for Michele to reveal herself in her most positive light to date. It may have been a turning point.

I don't happen to see the speech itself as history in the making. Obviously the convention is history in the making due to race, since this is the first time a black man has become the presumptive nominee for any party. The speech on the other hand stands on it's own merits.

I did not see the original post as playing on Michele's race. I read it as treating the convention and her speech as two separate issues. One a historical event, the other a source of inspiration.

[full time]

I guess you are talking about this remark by hnooe2000 which started it all:

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Originally Posted by hnooe2000
The Democratic National Convention 2008 is History in the making, for all
Americans, regardless of political affiliation. I was very proud of her.
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All I can say is that Michelle's speech was simply a darn good one. My enthusiasm has nothing to do with her race. The speech was a way for Michele to reveal herself in her most positive light to date. It may have been a turning point.

I don't happen to see the speech itself as history in the making. Obviously the convention is history in the making due to race, since this is the first time a black man has become the presumptive nominee for any party. The speech on the other hand stands on it's own merits.

I did not see the original post as playing on Michele's race. I read it as treating the convention and her speech as two separate issues. One a historical event, the other a source of inspiration.

What?????? I'm gonna need an interpreter for this one.

[LuciferSam]

What?????? I'm gonna need an interpreter for this one.

Well, I've seen you do a lot of misinterpreting, misquoting etc. on this board, so I'm not really surprised that you're having problems.

[Chickpea]

Has anyone on this board ever been swayed by the arguments of others who are of a different political leaning than they are?

Genuinely curious - reveal yourself as I would love to know.

PS: Michelle's speech last night was indeed very moving to me and I also think it would be wonderful to see the Obama family in the White house.

[full time]

Has anyone on this board ever been swayed by the arguments of others who are of a different political leaning than they are?

Genuinely curious - reveal yourself as I would love to know.

PS: Michelle's speech last night was indeed very moving to me and I also think it would be wonderful to see the Obama family in the White house.

No, but the middle aged gay dude and the devil have been trying to convert me. Sort of creepy.

[6thGen]

Has anyone on this board ever been swayed by the arguments of others who are of a different political leaning than they are?

Genuinely curious - reveal yourself as I would love to know.

PS: Michelle's speech last night was indeed very moving to me and I also think it would be wonderful to see the Obama family in the White house.

Hell, I would hope so. The fact that you had to ask, as if it is rare, is very telling. Many years ago I was in the pre-Tancredo camp on immigration, but was swayed by the free-market argument and make it myself now, along with the economic oppression argument. There are plenty other examples, but that's one that is of current debate.

[shellak]

didn't get why hnooe2000 brought condi into the mix in the first place!!

[LuciferSam]

didn't get why hnooe2000 brought condi into the mix in the first place!!

He didn't, fulltime did. Fulltime was wondering how hnooe2000 could praise Michelle on this thread while disparaging Condi on another thread about a week ago. According to fulltime's logic, hnooe2000 is a hypocrite for saying good things about a minority Democrat, while criticizing a minority Republican. I'm not saying it makes any sense.

[Geo]

This film (The U.S. vs. John Lennon) is also available at Movies By The Sea in Watercolor.

Also, highly recommended documentaries /movies available, in store~

In The Valley of Elah (true story of a soldiers return) *****MUST SEE*****

Who Killed The Electric Car?

RECOUNT (awesome movie w/ a killer cast about the stolen election of 2000)

Operation Homecoming

I get a kick out of the evolution of threads. This one is too good to let go-

We start with-

"Wow, did you see Michelle Obama's speech?"

And we end up with a list of recommended documentaries at a local video store...

:lol:

:clap:

I love the Internet and SoWal.com!

[flspearit]

I'll move it, sorry

[hnooe]

He didn't, fulltime did. Fulltime was wondering how hnooe2000 could praise Michelle on this thread while disparaging Condi on another thread about a week ago. According to fulltime's logic, hnooe2000 is a hypocrite for saying good things about a minority Democrat, while criticizing a minority Republican. I'm not saying it makes any sense.


Thanks for the clarification Sam. There are black people I like as friends, and there are black people I dont care for socially. There are black political leaders I admire and respect (Obama, John Lewis, Shirley Chisholm), and some I do not like politically (Jesse jackson, Al Sharpton) they are all mostly Dems--go figure?

I think both Condi and Michelle are both intelligent, harworking woman, there are probably many similarties between them besides their race, but in both cases in my mind, they are individuals first (political individuals second), and not just two black women involved in politics.

As a local example (different monorities) you can like me and detest swgb, or the other way around--I don't stereotype people, but some people on this board still do obviously.

[full time]

Thanks for the clarification Sam. There are black people I like as friends, and there are black people I dont care for socially. There are black political leaders I admire and respect (Obama, John Lewis, Shirley Chisholm), and some I do not like politically (Jesse jackson, Al Sharpton) they are all mostly Dems--go figure?

I think both Condi and Michelle are both intelligent, harworking woman, there are probably many similarties between them besides their race, but in both cases in my mind, they are individuals first (political individuals second), and not just two black women involved in politics.

As a local example (different monorities) you can like me and detest swgb, or the other way around--I don't stereotype people, but some people on this board still do obviously.

Here is your quote from last week about Secretary of State Rice:

"Condi Rice has only been one big Photo Op, that is all. 64 percent of Americans like her based soley because of her "peceived proffessional abilites."

Given your comparison, should we now infer that Ms. Obama is a photo-op with "perceived professional abilities"?

[hnooe]

Here is your quote from last week about Secretary of State Rice:

"Condi Rice has only been one big Photo Op, that is all. 64 percent of Americans like her based soley because of her "peceived proffessional abilites."

Given your comparison, should we now infer that Ms. Obama is a photo-op with "perceived professional abilities"?

Yes, Michelle Obama CAN be seen, at this juncture, as someone in the political realm ("general" political realm) with "perceived proffessional abilities," i.e., we don't know her, and she has not yet held any major offices.

The big difference is, based on the notion of "perceived proffessional abilities," that Condi Rice received those poll numbers (64 %) AFTER being in major political role(s) under Bush for close to 8 years now.

That is what I was trying to say.

[full time]

Yes, Michelle Obama CAN be seen, at this juncture, as someone in the political realm ("general" political realm) with "perceived proffessional abilities," i.e., we don't know her, and she has not yet held any major offices.

The big difference is, based on the notion of "perceived proffessional abilities," that Condi Rice received those poll numbers (64 %) AFTER being in major political role(s) under Bush for close to 8 years now.

That is what I was trying to say.

I see - so 64% of the American public is too stupid to realize that Rice doesn't have any professional abilities and the jury is still out on Ms. Obama until she holds a major office. Nonetheless, we should all, "regardlesss of politcal affiliation", celebrate Ms. Obama's "history making" event, but not Rice's. This is the kind of goofy logic that ends with corn in our gas tanks.

[Geo]

I see - so 64% of the American public is too stupid to realize that Rice doesn't have any professional abilities and the jury is still out on Ms. Obama until she holds a major office. Nonetheless, we should all, "regardlesss of politcal affiliation", celebrate Ms. Obama's "history making" event, but not Rice's. This is the kind of goofy logic that ends with corn in our gas tanks.

Um, so what did you think of her speech?

:clap::funn:

[full time]

Um, so what did you think of her speech?

:clap::funn:

I think she's bright and composed. It's very difficult to speak in front of that many people and national TV cameras without coming a bit unhinged. It shows that she put in a lot of time and effort. I don't agree with liberal policies but I don't hate her or her husband. If Obama is elected, I hope he does well. I don't think the nation's best interest is served by calling the administration and its various members, stupid, liars, war criminals, religious zealots, etc. In my opinion, the activist democrats have let their zeal to retake the White House get in the way of sound judgment. You'll know that to be true if McCain wins.