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30A Skunkape
08-16-2008, 09:14 AM
Buzz about potential Vice Presidents is filling the air. How about we play a game and pick a VP for McCain and Obama then explain our rationale.
I am not sure yet, so somebody else gets to go first!:biggrin:

wrobert
08-16-2008, 10:19 AM
Buzz about potential Vice Presidents is filling the air. How about we play a game and pick a VP for McCain and Obama then explain our rationale.
I am not sure yet, so somebody else gets to go first!:biggrin:


Mitt Romney. His family values, his ability to turn a buck, his experience with foreign governments.

30A Skunkape
08-16-2008, 10:28 AM
Mitt Romney. His family values, his ability to turn a buck, his experience with foreign governments.

No suggestions for Obama? I fear that if you don't pick one for both candidates there is a higher likelihood that it will turn into attackfest.

wrobert
08-16-2008, 10:32 AM
No suggestions for Obama? I fear that if you don't pick one for both candidates there is a higher likelihood that it will turn into attackfest.


Hmmmmm......well with Romeny's experience, he would do Obama a good job also.

30A Skunkape
08-16-2008, 10:33 AM
Hmmmmm......well with Romeny's experience, he would do Obama a good job also.:popcorn:

rapunzel
08-16-2008, 10:43 AM
McCain/Leiberman -- Because the choice of Leiberman helps the maverick brand, and everything else he's done has undermined it.

Obama/Sebelius or Obama/Nunn -- because these are the two people that I think complement him best. Unfortunately, I think he'll go the safe route and pick Bayh. Longshot buzz on lib boards: Powell :cool:

LuciferSam
08-16-2008, 10:47 AM
:popcorn:

Ok Romney Biden. Romney is the most presidential Republican out there (appearance and manner) and he's kind of a moderate. Biden I believe has foreign policy experience, he's well known, and he's less restrained than Obama which may actually help Obama. They need an attack dog.

Rita
08-16-2008, 12:23 PM
McCain/Leiberman -- Because the choice of Leiberman helps the maverick brand, and everything else he's done has undermined it.

Obama/Sebelius or Obama/Nunn -- because these are the two people that I think complement him best. Unfortunately, I think he'll go the safe route and pick Bayh. Longshot buzz on lib boards: Powell :cool:
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I wish Obama would take the risk and choose Powell. Some could not handle two African Americans on the same ticket, but they likely wouldn't be voting for Obama anyway.

Maybe I'll go visit the "lib boards" and see what's being tossed about. It puts a smile on my face that it's even being discussed.

Don't think Obama will risk it though.


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BeachSiO2
08-16-2008, 12:26 PM
I think both choices will be male. After that, I still don't know.

One question I did have is whether or not McCain could choose Lieberman since he is not a republican. I thought I had read that somewhere. Is that correct or did I read something wrong? :idontno:

jdarg
08-16-2008, 12:35 PM
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I wish Obama would take the risk and choose Powell. Some could not handle two African Americans on the same ticket, but they likely wouldn't be voting for Obama anyway.

Maybe I'll go visit the "lib boards" and see what's being tossed about. It puts a smile on my face that it's even being discussed.

Don't think Obama will risk it though.


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Me too!

30ashopper
08-16-2008, 12:55 PM
McCain - Palin, he's going to buck the stallwarts of the base and choose another maverick. Romney lost the primary so there's a major risk there, plus, there are a lot of reps who don't like or trust the guy (myself included). Palin will peel off a sizable chunk of female moderate dems that supported hillary who are just itching for some pay back against Obama for messing up Hill's rightful assention.

Obama's vp really doesn't matter, he's the rock star of his campaign, as long as he doesn't make a mistake whoever he picks won't matter. The surprise there would be if he actually chose Hillary. While that would be his best pick and basically seal the deal on his becoming president, I don't think he'll do it. He probably doesn't think he needs the help. It could be his biggest mistake.

hnooe
08-16-2008, 04:17 PM
Hmmmmm......well with Romeny's experience, he would do Obama a good job also.

Romney makes the most sense, esp. in these tough economic times --plus, he is younger than McCain , but not too much younger. Will McCain actually annouce he will only do one term? ...That sounds like a big mistake to me....

Question: Why is Huckabee bashing Romney as the potential VP? What is his agenda?

hnooe
08-16-2008, 04:21 PM
Ok Romney Biden. Romney is the most presidential Republican out there (appearance and manner) and he's kind of a moderate. Biden I believe has foreign policy experience, he's well known, and he's less restrained than Obama which may actually help Obama. They need an attack dog.

But isn't Biden a Washington insider (which Obama wants to "change")who is also equally as liberal as Obama? Obama needs to be middle to right, or a left leaning Republican I think. He does need a foreign affairs guy or somewone with a military background...he will not select a woman.

LuciferSam
08-16-2008, 04:29 PM
But isn't Biden a Washington insider (which Obama wants to "change")who is also equally as liberal as Obama? Obama needs to be middle to right, or a left leaning Republican I think. He does need a foreign affairs guy or somewone with a military background...he will not select a woman.

You're probably right. He's also made some controversial remarks which I'm sure guys like Hannity won't let go of. I really liked Jim Webb but he said no way.

hnooe
08-16-2008, 05:17 PM
You're probably right. He's also made some controversial remarks which I'm sure guys like Hannity won't let go of. I really liked Jim Webb but he said no way.

Oh, man...Jim Webb, he is incredible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Andy A.
08-16-2008, 05:49 PM
Obama should pick Biden. He really needs the help in regard to foreign policy. Here is one you won't expect or see, either. McCain and Carley Fiorina. She is extremely intelligent, very articulate and thinks about and analyses issues superbly. She'd make a wonderful vice presidential candidate but McCain will never pick her.

ameliaj
08-16-2008, 05:56 PM
Great topic, Skunky! Can't wait to see the opinions after everbody has had a couple of cocktails tonite.

30ashopper
08-16-2008, 07:08 PM
Obama should pick Biden. He really needs the help in regard to foreign policy. Here is one you won't expect or see, either. McCain and Carley Fiorina. She is extremely intelligent, very articulate and thinks about and analyses issues superbly. She'd make a wonderful vice presidential candidate but McCain will never pick her.

Man I'd love to see that, she is brilliant, and can debate like no other. Unfortunately the whole layoffs and firing thing would get exploited by the dems like crazy.

wrobert
08-16-2008, 09:45 PM
Man I'd love to see that, she is brilliant, and can debate like no other. Unfortunately the whole layoffs and firing thing would get exploited by the dems like crazy.


I could live with her. She did a wonderful job at HP. Just did not happen quick enough to save her. But that is the way the stock price bounces.

hnooe
08-16-2008, 10:45 PM
Man I'd love to see that, she is brilliant, and can debate like no other. Unfortunately the whole layoffs and firing thing would get exploited by the dems like crazy.


The Good News: She is a good Social LIBERAL!!

The Really Bad News:
If she is so brilliant why was she forced out of Hewlitt Packard as a failed CEO? It also appears that on she and McCain are actually a perfect fit, as the Republican Party always seeks out the "less-results" oriented audience for their chronic ineptitude.:lol: Exploit her like crazy!!!!!

30ashopper
08-17-2008, 12:40 AM
The Good News: She is a good Social LIBERAL!!

The Really Bad News:
If she is so brilliant why was she forced out of Hewlitt Packard as a failed CEO? It also appears that on she and McCain are actually a perfect fit, as the Republican Party always seeks out the "less-results" oriented audience for their chronic ineptitude.:lol: Exploit her like crazy!!!!!

are you on drugs?

6thGen
08-17-2008, 08:59 AM
Funny you said that about Romney - about a year ago I said the best thing he had going for him was that he looked like a President. Also said his health care program would be a trainwreck. I love being right.

McCain - Palin's out due to the recent birth. I could see a Palin-Jindal ticket in the future though. Lieberman will continue to piss off the base, but I think he'll land as SecDef. Bill Owens is my dream candidate, three years ago I thought we'd be talking about his VP choice right now, but he's out. Unfortunately for 2012, I think we land with Romney.

Obama - please, please, please let it be Kaine. Biden's better for the campaign just outside the tent, but I could see him as SecState - mesmerizing foreign officials with his teethflash. Kerry is floating around, and I'll drink to that. I like Nunn, because he's a serious old white man, which is exactly what the candidate is not.

Bottom line - this is a fun exercise, but the VP doesn't matter. It's been nearly 50 years since a VP candidate delivered a questionable state. As Noonan pointed out this weekend, "place" is waning in politics, esp. with the two current candidates.

hnooe
08-17-2008, 09:09 AM
are you on drugs?


No are you????? Or maybe you have overdosed on "shopping" or something.:wave:

Margarita
08-17-2008, 09:41 AM
Steve Forbes for John McCain's VP. Any thoughts???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Forbes

Bob
08-17-2008, 03:04 PM
Obama should pick McCain as his running mate, admit his equivocating mealy-mouthed run to the middle politics is the result of his inexperience and lack of conviction, then cede power to McCain and take the position of VP. He can then gain the needed experience by watching McCain systematically run us into the ground with never ending war and saber rattling.

Andy A.
08-17-2008, 03:10 PM
Obama should pick McCain as his running mate, admit his equivocating mealy-mouthed run to the middle politics is the result of his inexperience and lack of conviction, then cede power to McCain and take the position of VP. He can then gain the needed experience by watching McCain systematically run us into the ground with never ending war and saber rattling.
Trolling, trolling, trolling on the river.

Bob
08-17-2008, 03:23 PM
Trolling, trolling, trolling on the river.This from someone who proposes a Bob Nardelli clone to run as VP.

Smiling JOe
08-17-2008, 07:22 PM
30ashopper, Romney lost the Primary, but independents didn't vote republican in most states during the Primary. There is a huge contingency of independents who like Romney. Liberman doesn't have enough pull of votes to be a viable candidate. Don't think Liberman will be allowed to be chosen by the GOP.

I have no idea the number of votes being promised by each potential VP pick, and VP picks are way too political to guess what is happening behind closed doors.

Bob
08-17-2008, 09:30 PM
Sadly, The two most qualified candidates for President aren't going to be nominated. Had Romney been a Baptist, he would be considering McCain. How interesting of Repubs to shun a model family man in favor of a "war hero" who traded in his first wife[who stuck with him through his POW captivity raising his family] for the millionairess Botox queen. Or should I say, how Christian? When it comes to Democrats, Obama would be in the VEEP discussions now had the press not ganged up on Clinton during the primaries. The result is the current situation which gives us two weak choices from which to pick. VP choices at this point are window dressing.

Chip and Dale
08-17-2008, 09:42 PM
McCain/Mark Sanford -- Solid fiscal conservative. Has a libertarian take on things; true affection for limited government. Has executive experience. McCain's age/heath makes this selection more important than usual. Actually born in one of the United States!

Obama/Kerry -- Something old, something new... balance... east/west... blah, blah, blah.

30ashopper
08-18-2008, 08:42 AM
30ashopper, Romney lost the Primary, but independents didn't vote republican in most states during the Primary. There is a huge contingency of independents who like Romney. Liberman doesn't have enough pull of votes to be a viable candidate. Don't think Liberman will be allowed to be chosen by the GOP.

I have no idea the number of votes being promised by each potential VP pick, and VP picks are way too political to guess what is happening behind closed doors.


Really? I hadn't heard this before. Maybe I'm biased since I personally didn't like him much. I thought it was the moderate reps that gave McCain his win? :idontno:

30ashopper
08-18-2008, 08:44 AM
Sadly, The two most qualified candidates for President aren't going to be nominated. Had Romney been a Baptist, he would be considering McCain. How interesting of Repubs to shun a model family man in favor of a "war hero" who traded in his first wife[who stuck with him through his POW captivity raising his family] for the millionairess Botox queen. Or should I say, how Christian? When it comes to Democrats, Obama would be in the VEEP discussions now had the press not ganged up on Clinton during the primaries. The result is the current situation which gives us two weak choices from which to pick. VP choices at this point are window dressing.


I think that's true for Obama, but McCain's pick carries more wieght. I think that's an advantage for McCain, Obama's numbers aren't going to change much from his VP pick (unless he chooses poorly) but I think McCain could get a nice bump or hit depending on who he picks.

Smiling JOe
08-18-2008, 09:05 AM
Really? I hadn't heard this before. Maybe I'm biased since I personally didn't like him much. I thought it was the moderate reps that gave McCain his win? :idontno:Tough to say, and impossible to know. I think most Libertarians would have been voting for Romney, out of all of the Dem and GOP candidates, but since they couldn't vote in most states, we'll never know. IMO, moderate Reps didn't win it for McCain. Rather, I think that the old-school Christian Conservative Reps wouldn't be caught voting for a Mormon, because they think Mormons aren't Christians, and we all know that non-Christians are the work of the Devil.

sarcasm off.

maeby funke
08-18-2008, 09:06 AM
Buzz about potential Vice Presidents is filling the air. How about we play a game and pick a VP for McCain and Obama then explain our rationale.
I am not sure yet, so somebody else gets to go first!:biggrin:

I know he probably wouldn't accept, but I would love to see Sam Nunn as Obama's vp. Even my crusty, old, conservative father likes Senator Nunn. He would bring a wealth of foreign policy experience and I think it would help Obama with southern states.

Smiling JOe
08-18-2008, 09:11 AM
Who was the VP candidate many years ago, who didn't have his hearing aid turned up in that VP debate? He looked like a drunken sailor, and he blew any chance of getting any points for his Pres candidate. VPs do help voters make a decision, especially when many people don't like either of the Pres candidates.

6thGen
08-18-2008, 09:23 AM
Admiral James Stockdale, RIP. True American hero and never wanted to be on the ticket (supposed to be a temp until Perot found someone). He didn't know he was going to be at the debate until a week before the event. Had to google the exact quote, but Miller put it best in '93:

"Now I know (Stockdale's name has) become a buzzword in this culture for doddering old man, but let's look at the record, folks. The guy was the first guy in and the last guy out of Vietnam, a war that many Americans, including our present President, did not want to dirty their hands with. The reason he had to turn his hearing aid on at that debate is because those f*cking animals knocked his eardrums out when he wouldn't spill his guts. He teaches philosophy at Stanford University, he's a brilliant, sensitive, courageous man. And yet he committed the one unpardonable sin in our culture: he was bad on television."

Smiling JOe
08-18-2008, 10:44 AM
As I was saying, the VP candidates WILL either push or pull the voters, especially in this day of TV, youtube, and email. Look no farther than the Olympic opening ceremonies where China didn't want a less than model looking girl to pretend to sing. Look at every freaking magazine cover in the US. Look at American television shows. Look at the rockstars today. Do you think Aretha Franklin would have ever been the Queen if she started her career in the 21st Century? Americans would rather have a Brittney Spears, where all of the music is made in the studio, rather in the soul. Makes me wonder, if Obama (a classy-looking man) looked like boxing promoter, Don King, do you think he would have ever been elected into the Senate?

http://static.bethsoft.com/blog/Don%20King.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Don_King.jpg/497px-Don_King.jpg

goofer44
08-18-2008, 11:27 AM
McCain/Leiberman -- Because the choice of Leiberman helps the maverick brand, and everything else he's done has undermined it.

Obama/Sebelius or Obama/Nunn -- because these are the two people that I think complement him best. Unfortunately, I think he'll go the safe route and pick Bayh. Longshot buzz on lib boards: Powell :cool:

I agree on McCain/Leiberman for almost the same reasons. I think Leiberman because it reinforces the cooperation across the aisle. I think Obama picks Bayh because of a good chance to pick up Indiana and Bayh is an attractive and experienced guy.

Smiling JOe
08-18-2008, 11:31 AM
VP selections won't affect Obama and McCain supporters. The VP selections will, however, affect the many undecided and independent voters, who like neither Presidential Candidate.

goofer44
08-18-2008, 11:33 AM
Admiral James Stockdale, RIP. True American hero and never wanted to be on the ticket (supposed to be a temp until Perot found someone). He didn't know he was going to be at the debate until a week before the event. Had to google the exact quote, but Miller put it best in '93:

"Now I know (Stockdale's name has) become a buzzword in this culture for doddering old man, but let's look at the record, folks. The guy was the first guy in and the last guy out of Vietnam, a war that many Americans, including our present President, did not want to dirty their hands with. The reason he had to turn his hearing aid on at that debate is because those f*cking animals knocked his eardrums out when he wouldn't spill his guts. He teaches philosophy at Stanford University, he's a brilliant, sensitive, courageous man. And yet he committed the one unpardonable sin in our culture: he was bad on television."

Stockdale was a Medal of Honor recipient. I remember how he kept pacing from the podium during the VP debate. I think he had his legs broken while in captivity. He was a great American.

hnooe
08-18-2008, 12:08 PM
Stockdale was a Medal of Honor recipient. I remember how he kept pacing from the podium during the VP debate. I think he had his legs broken while in captivity. He was a great American.

Isn't he the one that started the debates with the comment "Who am I, and why am I here?"
I really felt so very bad for him--he was put in a bad situation with apparently very little time to prepare.

Smiling JOe
08-18-2008, 12:40 PM
We aren't debating whether or not Admiral Stockdale is a hero. We are talking about how he scared the crap out of voters in that debate, based solely on what he looked like. Who wants a President or VP who can use the excuse, "I must have not had my hearing aid turned on because I totally missed that." ? Unfortunately, appearance weighs very heavily on Americans in this day and age. We look for the gutless Peacocks to run the gov't and our society.

I'll leave you with this Zen saying:

“Wealthy patrons invited Ikkyu to a banquet. Ikkyu arrived dressed in his beggar’s robes. The host, not recognizing him, chased him away. Ikkyu went home, changed into his ceremonial robe of purple brocade, and returned. With great respect, he was received into the banquet room. There, he put his robe on the cushion, saying, “I expect you invited the robe since you showed me away a little while ago,” and left.

Andy A.
08-18-2008, 03:16 PM
Unfortunately, SJ, is once again right. (It is getting monotonous and boring). We put way too much emphasis on appearance and way too little on age and experience. And, no, I'm not necessarily referring to John McCain, I'm referring to our obsession with youth and maintaining it in general, even when it is obviously past the point of reasonability to try and look youthful.

dgsevier
08-18-2008, 03:59 PM
Anyone talking about Ted Strickland, gov from Ohio? I'm not from there, but I think he'd be a great fit. Obama got clobbered in Appalachia, so a VP from near that area could ring in votes from Penn. W. Va, etc. These are state that often go dem, so it might be a logical fit.

Margarita
08-18-2008, 04:37 PM
Anyone talking about Ted Strickland, gov from Ohio? I'm not from there, but I think he'd be a great fit. Obama got clobbered in Appalachia, so a VP from near that area could ring in votes from Penn. W. Va, etc. These are state that often go dem, so it might be a logical fit.

I believe that Ted Strickland took himself out of the running.

Margarita
08-18-2008, 04:43 PM
Unfortunately, SJ, is once again right. (It is getting monotonous and boring). We put way too much emphasis on appearance and way too little on age and experience. And, no, I'm not necessarily referring to John McCain, I'm referring to our obsession with youth and maintaining it in general, even when it is obviously past the point of reasonability to try and look youthful.

I agree with you and SJ. Seems like the older I get the more I appreciate substance over style. Maybe it takes a little age and experience to appreciate age and experience.

scooterbug44
08-18-2008, 05:00 PM
Substance is certainly preferable to "style", but I also question how effective someone would be in a role that mainly consists of campaigning, public appearances, and meetings when they can't make a positive impression during a debate. Charisma and speaking skills matter, the rest is just a good makeup artist/haircut/lighting/prep.

Male beauty still isn't a major determinant for political office - if you don't believe that, take a gander at most of our elected officials. :puke:

hnooe
08-18-2008, 05:17 PM
Substance is certainly preferable to "style", but I also question how effective someone would be in a role that mainly consists of campaigning, public appearances, and meetings when they can't make a positive impression during a debate. Charisma and speaking skills matter, the rest is just a good makeup artist/haircut/lighting/prep.



Agreed (as usual). I think Obama definitely fits the bill as far as substance, real change, charisma and speaking skills. McCain is a very kindly, grandfatherly American hero, he just reminds me of a warm hearted, good old "ex" President--he fits in well with the likes of Bush Sr., Carter and Clinton.

He has had his day in the sun, basically. McCain needs a much younger, more adept, more modern, VP choice IMO.

ItzKatzTime
08-18-2008, 06:13 PM
What if Obama picked Bill Clinton for VP....then he could rap up all the women votes!

And if McCain chose Hillary as his VP we might get a happy medium in the White House!
:idontno::blink::blush:

:clap::clap::clap:

Margarita
08-18-2008, 06:21 PM
What if Obama picked Bill Clinton for VP....then he could rap up all the women votes!

And if McCain chose Hillary as his VP we might get a happy medium in the White House!
:idontno::blink::blush:

:clap::clap::clap:

No and No :wave:

Smiling JOe
08-18-2008, 06:29 PM
I disagree. If speaking skills mattered, George W Bush wouldn't be President.

Geo
08-18-2008, 11:31 PM
Funny you said that about Romney - about a year ago I said the best thing he had going for him was that he looked like a President. Also said his health care program would be a trainwreck. I love being right.

McCain - Palin's out due to the recent birth. I could see a Palin-Jindal ticket in the future though. Lieberman will continue to piss off the base, but I think he'll land as SecDef. Bill Owens is my dream candidate, three years ago I thought we'd be talking about his VP choice right now, but he's out. Unfortunately for 2012, I think we land with Romney.

Obama - please, please, please let it be Kaine. Biden's better for the campaign just outside the tent, but I could see him as SecState - mesmerizing foreign officials with his teethflash. Kerry is floating around, and I'll drink to that. I like Nunn, because he's a serious old white man, which is exactly what the candidate is not.

Bottom line - this is a fun exercise, but the VP doesn't matter. It's been nearly 50 years since a VP candidate delivered a questionable state. As Noonan pointed out this weekend, "place" is waning in politics, esp. with the two current candidates.

Nothing but love and respect intended-

:clap:

This is my favorite post of yours of all time...
And by "all time" I mean since I can remember reading your posts...

:lol:

6thGen
08-19-2008, 09:26 AM
Nothing but love and respect intended-

:clap:

This is my favorite post of yours of all time...
And by "all time" I mean since I can remember reading your posts...

:lol:

http://www.readingeagle.com/editor/archives/biden.jpg

goofer44
08-19-2008, 12:02 PM
Substance is certainly preferable to "style", but I also question how effective someone would be in a role that mainly consists of campaigning, public appearances, and meetings when they can't make a positive impression during a debate. Charisma and speaking skills matter, the rest is just a good makeup artist/haircut/lighting/prep.

Male beauty still isn't a major determinant for political office - if you don't believe that, take a gander at most of our elected officials. :puke:

Again I will say if speaking skills and physical impressions were so important could FDR HST IKE or even Lincoln be elected today ??

Chip and Dale
08-19-2008, 12:46 PM
The taller man wins?

"...Since 1776 only [two Presidents,] James Madison and Benjamin Harrison[,] have been below-average height. The easiest way to predict the winner in a United States election is to bet on the taller man: in this century you would have had an unbroken string of hits until 1968 when Richard Nixon beat George McGovern."

"...of the 46 cases for which we have data, the taller [presidential] candidate has won the popular vote 30 times (65 percent), and the shorter candidate only about 14 times (30 percent of them). Although this is not the case when electoral victors are considered."

"Were McCain elected to the presidency, he would be the shortest president in 120 years and tied with Benjamin Harrison (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Harrison) and Martin Van Buren (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Van_Buren) for second-shortest president of all time."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heights_of_United_States_Presidents_and_presidenti al_candidates

6thGen
08-19-2008, 01:13 PM
Reminds me of the first debate in 2004 when Kerry didn't want to let go of Bush's hand when they first walked out. He wanted that picture showing the height difference above the fold on every paper. Can't say I blame him.

30ashopper
08-19-2008, 05:35 PM
Looks like the pundits think it's going to be -

mccain - whittman
mccain - lieberman
mccain - palin

and

obama - biden
obama - sebelius

Romney seems to have been dropped from McCain's list, Obama looks to be leaning toward Biden. If McCain pulls off an upset and chooses a woman, and Obama does not, I think that'll really shake this race up. :biggrin:

Smiling JOe
08-19-2008, 07:04 PM
chip and dale, we now have step-stools for short people to use b/c we wouldn't want to offend short people, or be politically incorrect. The race should be "fair," right? TV camera angles, step stools, etc, eliminate the height-factor, IMO. Face lifts, Botox injections, hair coloring products, and even make-up, etc assist those candidates who want to appear without blemish or fault (aka- character) PhotoShop is also useful for those candidates. The person who can get the worst photo of a candidate will have their photo printed on the cover of fish-rags like The Enquirer and The Star.

Chip and Dale
08-19-2008, 10:29 PM
http://www.truckerphoto.com/Kerry%20Bunny%20Suit.jpg

Mistakes were made? Yes.

wrobert
08-19-2008, 10:34 PM
Looks like the pundits think it's going to be -

mccain - whittman
mccain - lieberman
mccain - palin:biggrin:





Did Lieberman switch to Republican?

hnooe
08-19-2008, 11:20 PM
As I just heard on MSNBC, the poliTRICKAL game that McCain is playing is to keep Ridge and Lieberman's names out there as "possibilities"--this strategy was meant to get all the Consevatives up in arms, and ready to pout..... But then, dramatically, McCain will announce Ken Doll Romney as his partner in crime, and then the Conservative will breathe a HUGE sigh of relief and rally behind their man, kind of. If they can just keep Huckabee quiet and make him quit bashing Romney, then things should be just fine for McBush and Company. For now.

30ashopper
08-20-2008, 12:57 AM
As I just heard on MSNBC, the poliTRICKAL game that McCain is playing is to keep Ridge and Lieberman's names out there as "possibilities"--this strategy was meant to get all the Consevatives up in arms, and ready to pout..... But then, dramatically, McCain will announce Ken Doll Romney as his partner in crime, and then the Conservative will breathe a HUGE sigh of relief and rally behind their man, kind of. If they can just keep Huckabee quiet and make him quit bashing Romney, then things should be just fine for McBush and Company. For now.

hnooe2000, I wouldn't put too much wieght behind the opinions of pundits at networks as clueless and biased as MSNBC, .. er, and as clueless as FOX, er, or, um, and as clueless as CNN. Jeez.

6thGen
08-20-2008, 09:42 AM
I really, really hope this is true. He looks just like Les Miles, but not near as intelligent.

http://www.palmettoscoop.com/2008/08/19/insider-virginia-gov-held-line-of-succession-meeting/

http://www.palmettoscoop.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/kaine_obama.jpg

Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama is set to announce his running mate within the next few days and now The Palmetto Scoop has learned that he may have already settled on Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine.

A source inside the beltway informed me that high ranking officials throughout Virginia were recently summoned to the governor’s office for an emergency meeting which reportedly involved discussions on the line of succession if and when Kaine steps down to become Obama’s running mate.

The officials were mandated to leave an out-of-state conference and return to the state capitol in Richmond immediately.

Due to the confidential nature of the meeting, details are scarce but the source said that either Obama will choose Kaine, or Kaine was given the impression that he would be chosen.

Kaine however told reporters Monday, “It has been really nice to be mentioned, my mom loves it. I never thought it was very likely, for a variety of reasons”

Margarita
08-20-2008, 11:51 AM
Buzz about potential Vice Presidents is filling the air. How about we play a game and pick a VP for McCain and Obama then explain our rationale.
I am not sure yet, so somebody else gets to go first!:biggrin:

OK - This is what I think would be the strongest Democratic ticket - Obama/Clinton. For these reasons - Due to Obama's recent dip in the polls I feel that he needs her to unify the party and to help with the women's vote. There are alot of people that voted for Hillary that want to see her VP. She also has the experience to be President. As a republican, this is the choice that I fear the most.

I think that the strongest Republican ticket would be McCain/Romney. I think that Romney will be strong on the economy, is a great fund raiser, can help bring in Michigan, is articulate and explain positions with passion and clarity, and most important of all - also has the experience to be President. He won over alot of conservatives, including me, at his last speech at the CPAC.

Just my 2 cents.

Geo
08-20-2008, 12:02 PM
This isn't based on any evidence whatsoever. In fact, whatever evidence exists points in the other direction...

Regardless, here it is-

I have this overwhelming feeling that Obama is going to throw a curveball and choose Clinton as his veep. I don't think he wants to but I think he needs to and I think he will...

This is likely wishful thinking but I cannot get it out of my mind...

My second choice for the Dems is Biden...

I think McCain will choose Romney or Liberman...
I think he should choose Liberman.

6thGen
08-20-2008, 12:09 PM
If McCain chooses Lieberman, a lot of the base chooses their couch, or Barr.

InletBchDweller
08-20-2008, 12:13 PM
Margarita, I feel exactly like you. :wave:

Obama - I greatly fear that he will step it up and pick Billary for the VP. THe polls show a close race and this pretty much will assure him a win, IMO. However I just can't think of Hillary sharing the lime-light with Obama.

McCain - I saw an interview on Fox last night with Romney. He was very elusive on his comments about VP. I would love him to take the VP spot b/c I feel that he can guide McCain in the areas where he is not so strong and like Margarity said help with Michigan. Plus he ain't bad to look at either. :biggrin: I would much rather have the ticket read Romney/McCain but we get what we get.

MissCritter
08-20-2008, 12:14 PM
This in today's Florida Trend:


Obama's Big Veep Surprise: Bill Nelson?
So speculates the Times of London. "Expect the unexpected," the newspaper says. So, step forward Bill Nelson, who represents the swing state of Florida in the Senate where he sits on the armed services, foreign relations and intelligence committees." The story notes that bloggers typing "Obamanelson.com" earlier this week discovered they were redirected to Obama’s official campaign website. No such trick for Delaware Sen. Joe Biden, widely considered a top contender for the veep post. But as the Times notes, the computer situation could simply point to Nelson's "Nebraskan namesake, Senator Ben Nelson, ... Bill and Ben — the long shot men." [Source: Miami Herald (http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2008/08/baracks-big-vee.html)]

Margarita
08-20-2008, 12:38 PM
This isn't based on any evidence whatsoever. In fact, whatever evidence exists points in the other direction...

Regardless, here it is-

I have this overwhelming feeling that Obama is going to throw a curveball and choose Clinton as his veep. I don't think he wants to but I think he needs to and I think he will...
This is likely wishful thinking but I cannot get it out of my mind...

My second choice for the Dems is Biden...

I think McCain will choose Romney or Liberman...
I think he should choose Liberman.


I agree that he doesn't want her but needs her. If he was doing better in the polls I don't think he would even consider it. I think it would be smart of him to pick her yet at the same time shows a sense of desperation.

I do not want or think that McCain should pick Liberman. I agree with 6th Gen - the base would revolt. I like Joe Liberman but if something were to happen to MCain I don't agree with any of his positions except the war.

6thGen
08-20-2008, 12:44 PM
I do not want or think that McCain should pick Liberman. I agree with 6th Gen - the base would revolt. I like Joe Liberman but if something were to happen to MCain I don't agree with any of his positions except the war.

That's why I'm calling him SecDef. I could even live with SecState to piss off the Arabs. He'd be better than Condi since he isn't afraid of confrontation or obsessed with presenting a united front.

Geo
08-20-2008, 01:03 PM
Go to:

ObamaNelson.com

Is this a smoking gun- Nelson as veep?

scooterbug44
08-20-2008, 01:51 PM
No, anyone can purchase a name and redirect a web address for funn.

Type in www.sowalrepublicans.com and it takes you to the Obama site. :roll:

Obama just CAN'T pick Hillary as VP! :(

Margarita
08-20-2008, 02:30 PM
That's why I'm calling him SecDef. I could even live with SecState to piss off the Arabs. He'd be better than Condi since he isn't afraid of confrontation or obsessed with presenting a united front.

Agree!! I think he'd make a great Secretary of State or Secretary of Defense.

goofer44
08-21-2008, 06:50 PM
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/21/oh-come-on-already/?hp

Getting exciting !!