Associated Press declares Obama Clinches Nomination

[goofer44]

At 1:40EST, The AP has declared Obama the presumptive nominee by reaching the magic number of 2118 delegates. The AP is the oldest news organization in America. It is official !!!

[scooterbug44]

MSNBC says that he has it based on publicly pledged delegates and what he's won. They aren't counting today's primaries in that total so he can get more.

Hillary is still not going to concede that he is the nom though.

[hnooe]

Ok, let's get this party started now!

"JOHN McCAIN EQUALS MORE WARS AND FEWER JOBS FOR ALL AMERICANS"...OK, I like it!

[Rita]

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Ok, let's get this party started now!

"JOHN McCAIN EQUALS MORE WARS AND FEWER JOBS FOR ALL AMERICANS"...OK, I like it!


:scratch:...Well - let me see, McCain might be better for Texas' defense contractor jobs.



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[Beach Runner]

Now they're saying on CNN that Hillary is open to being on the ticket with Barack.

Well, if people want change, this is it -- the chance for a double-first, a black man and a white woman, presumably the dream team for the Democrats over the Republicans.

Ain't this just a humdinger!:wave:

[scooterbug44]

SO hoping that the end is in sight!

Who are the VP options folks like besides Hillary? ('cuz I refuse to think about that option - if Obama accepts her as VP I have severely misjudged his intelligence!)

[aleonard]

I think TMZ got it right, because we all know they are the source for all political fact :floor:...............
Hillary Pushing Up Daisies


Posted Jun 3rd 2008 3:19PM by TMZ Staff (http://www.tmz.com/bloggers/tmz-staff/)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.tmz.com/media/2008/06/0603_chappaqua_ex.jpg

Roses are red, violets are blue, and we've got some proof, that Hill's campaign is through.

We found out Whispering Pines of Chappaqua -- the local flower shop -- has been delivering a bunch of arrangements to the Clinton house -- some for Hil, some for Bill and some for both.

So why do people send flowers? A wedding -- no. Funeral -- sort of. The end of a Presidential campaign -- bingo.

[InletBchDweller]

Now they're saying on CNN that Hillary is open to being on the ticket with Barack.

Well, if people want change, this is it -- the chance for a double-first, a black man and a white woman, presumably the dream team for the Democrats over the Republicans.

Ain't this just a humdinger!:wave:

oh I know that someone will owe someone else a $100

[jdarg]

oh I know that someone will owe someone else a $100




Not so fast- Clinton may be open to the idea, but is Obama? :idontno:

:floor: Mimi- the political heavyweight!

[wrobert]

I think TMZ got it right, because we all know they are the source for all political fact :floor:...............
Hillary Pushing Up Daisies


Posted Jun 3rd 2008 3:19PM by TMZ Staff (http://www.tmz.com/bloggers/tmz-staff/)


Roses are red, violets are blue, and we've got some proof, that Hill's campaign is through.

We found out Whispering Pines of Chappaqua -- the local flower shop -- has been delivering a bunch of arrangements to the Clinton house -- some for Hil, some for Bill and some for both.

So why do people send flowers? A wedding -- no. Funeral -- sort of. The end of a Presidential campaign -- bingo.


I will wait until wikipedia updates. That is where I get my facts. But I am glad this is over. Now I know which cartoon folder to start posting from.

[aleonard]

I will wait until wikipedia updates. That is where I get my facts. But I am glad this is over. Now I know which cartoon folder to start posting from.


:floor:Glad I could help.

I was actually seeing this info posted in quite a few places by bloggers yesterday. Such as staff getting walking papers and a quote by Bill that sounded like an eulogy, but TMZ is da bomb;-) for absolute gossip.

[Mango]

I think TMZ got it right, because we all know they are the source for all political fact :floor:...............
Hillary Pushing Up Daisies


Posted Jun 3rd 2008 3:19PM by TMZ Staff (http://www.tmz.com/bloggers/tmz-staff/)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.tmz.com/media/2008/06/0603_chappaqua_ex.jpg

Roses are red, violets are blue, and we've got some proof, that Hill's campaign is through.

We found out Whispering Pines of Chappaqua -- the local flower shop -- has been delivering a bunch of arrangements to the Clinton house -- some for Hil, some for Bill and some for both.

So why do people send flowers? A wedding -- no. Funeral -- sort of. The end of a Presidential campaign -- bingo.

Tis true. You heard it from Mango too. I know the owners of this florist, and they own a nursery. That was the scuttlebutt today. I was just going to post this. Didn't realize TMZ had people out there. :floor:Geez, I would love to see the cards.
"Roses are red, violets are blue, your campaigns over, what will you do?. "

[BeachSiO2]

Not so fast- Clinton may be open to the idea, but is Obama? :idontno:

:floor: Mimi- the political heavyweight!

I agree. If Obama is open to it, I know of a few votes he just lost. :wave:

[MissCritter]

"Roses are red, violets are blue, your campaigns over, what will you do?. "


Or "Roses are red, violets are blue, you missed number one, stop trying for two."

[aleonard]

Or "Roses are red, violets are blue, you missed number one, stop trying for two."

I wanna play.

Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
Obama would pick Bill,
before he picked you.:biggrin:

[aleonard]

Tis true. You heard it from Mango too. I know the owners of this florist, and they own a nursery. That was the scuttlebutt today. I was just going to post this. Didn't realize TMZ had people out there. :floor:Geez, I would love to see the cards.
"Roses are red, violets are blue, your campaigns over, what will you do?. "

Yeah, Wrobert. I drink your milkshake. :cool:

[Gypsea]

SO hoping that the end is in sight!

Who are the VP options folks like besides Hillary? ('cuz I refuse to think about that option - if Obama accepts her as VP I have severely misjudged his intelligence!)

I would like Obama to choose James Webb of Virginia, the former Secretary of the Navy.

[rapunzel]

I would like him to choose Sam Nunn (turn Georgia blue!) or Kathleen Sebelius (she reminds me of Ann Richards and I think a spunky, bootstraps kind of woman might inspire a few people who've been disappointed).

[goodwitch58]

I would like Obama to choose James Webb of Virginia, the former Secretary of the Navy.

Maybe, but I think Webb would serve better as Secretary of Defense....

[rapunzel]

He did it!

CNN calls it! I'm totally crying!:clap::clap:

[BeachSiO2]

He did it!

CNN calls it! I'm totally crying!:clap::clap:


Cograts Punzy :clap:, and thank you for helping me find a place to vote. On the other hand, if he is bullied by Clinton, I am screwed.

[Gypsea]

Maybe, but I think Webb would serve better as Secretary of Defense....


He is the current Senator of Virginia and his military background might counter McCains. They are both Naval Academy grads and Webb was formerly a Republican. Being from a southern state and a moderate would help Obama.

[rapunzel]

He is the current Senator of Virginia and his military background might counter McCains. They are both Naval Academy grads and Webb was formerly a Republican. Being from a southern state and a moderate would help Obama.

I love Webb, but I think the whole experience issue is a problem with that ticket. I don't see him bringing people like Cap'n Crazy into the fold. I do think he would be a great VP, but I don't think he strengthens the ticket.

I'm worried about the baby boomer women. I think a talking point really struck them in a way even HRC may not have anticipated. I also read a great blog by a woman known as Granny Doc, and she talked about how many women of her generation see the younger women who supported Obama as traitors who didn't respect their struggle. Further, BR made the point that some women of that generation had to fight dirty so that younger women didn't. Well, that resonated with me. I am not a fan of the way Hillary ran her campaign, and I think the better candidate is our nominee. Still, I recognize now that because I never felt discrimination doesn't mean they didn't and that my have a real influence on their perceptions of this race.

I think putting Hillary Clinton on the ticket undermines his strongest asset -- his "new kind of politics" and an end to the divisive campaign without end politics of the last 16 years. He's change, she is a return to the past. However, I now believe a woman who shares his approach and values would reinforce the ticket.

I was really disgusted by John McCain reaching out to Hillary supporters, and implying that the Florida/Michigan solution was unfair to Hillary even though the Republicans weighted the Florida/Michigan elections the same way.

[rapunzel]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a81/kos102/2008/Campaign/Obama-Wins-3a.jpg

[jdarg]

I'm watching!!!!:clap:

[Zebraspots]

Voting for someone just because they are a woman is incredibly wrong and the opposite of the equality that women have been fighting for.

This is an election for a rather important job - we are voting for a leader at a crucial time in history. Base your vote on criteria more substantial than the future answer to a trivia question.

[aleonard]

It is truly a historical day for our country.

[scooterbug44]

I am so excited and SO happy!!! :clap:

[wrobert]

But I thought Hillary got more votes than Obama from the people? Did I miss something?

[aleonard]

But I thought Hillary got more votes than Obama from the people? Did I miss something?

Would you go back to your diabolical plan of world domination and let the gulls have their moment. :D

[goofer44]

I think Ed Rendel would be a great running mate for Obama. He is the gov of Pennsylvania,a big blue collar state bordering Ohio. Rendel is immensely popular Gov and he is Jewish. Obama needs the Jewish vote if he is going to win Florida and some of the swing states. Obama is viewed very suspiciously as not a very dependable friend of Israel.

[jdarg]

What about Evan Bayh for VP?

[Gypsea]

Another good choice for Obama would be Bill Richardson. He helped Obama over the hump and is excellent on foreign affairs.

But here are some other vp choices:

• HILLARY CLINTON. Takes care of fans of "women with power" right off the bat.
• MIKE HUCKABEE. Would secure the votes of formerly fat people who play electric guitar and don't believe in evolution.
• CHERIE BERRY. North Carolina's Labor Secretary would balance the ticket in three ways: She's a woman, she's a Republican, and she's a slave to corporate interests at the expense of the public good. Oops, maybe not a good choice after all.
• MICKEY MOUSE. Incredibly popular, would help lock down the Florida vote, and his ears would match his running mate's.
• GEORGE W. BUSH. The most ironclad case of "assassination insurance" in VP-picking history.
• MITT ROMNEY. Guarantees support from the Obscenely Wealthy Corporate Automaton community.
• CAROLINE KENNEDY. All the talk about Obama's "Kennedyesque mystique" would be kicked up to mind-boggling levels that even our McCain-worshipping press would have to notice.
• WILLIE NELSON. A genius pick that nails Texans, pot-smokers and senior voters at the same time.
• ELIOT SPITZER. Now and then a First Lady can start to get on a president's nerves. Eliot can help.
• AL GORE. He's already been there, done that. Plus, he'll lock down the dirt-worshipping tree hugger vote.
• DALE EARNHARDT JR. Need to suck up to the white working class? You got it. Could help reverse 40 years of GOP dominance in the South.
• ELLEN DEGENERES. A draw for voters who watch talk shows, dance at the drop of a hat, cry over dogs, support gay rights and/or want a woman on the ticket but not someone Michelle Obama would have to worry about.
• GEORGE MCGOVERN. If a Republican debacle is as certain as some pundits believe, why not go ahead and really rub it in?
• JANE FONDA. Ditto.
• LARRY KING. Picking someone even older than John McCain -- heck, older than McCain's mother -- would instantly deal with the "inexperienced" and "too young" question.
• BRITNEY SPEARS. No matter what the right-wing press digs up on Obama, his youthful personal choices will always seem wise compared to hers.
• THE DALAI LAMA. Yeah yeah, he's not American, but for God's sake, it's the Dalai friggin' Lama here! It's a shoo-in -- go for it!
• CHAKA KHAN. Just so Obama can get the band to play "Baby Got Back" on the final night of the convention.
• AL SHARPTON. **** 'em if they can't take a joke.
• KATIE COURIC. Simultaneously secures the older TV-news-watching crowd and moves the ticket away from public perception as too "intellectual," or even smart.
• ANGELINA JOLIE. Could get Congress to revise the whole concept of "No child left behind."
• MICHAEL SCHIAVO. What better way to remind voters of what happens when you let Republicans run the government?
• TIM RUSSERT. Little-known secret: Russert's giant head is actually a storage locker that could be used as hiding place for the President in case of assassination attempt.
• DAVID BECKHAM. Two words: Soccer moms.

[Gypsea]

I think Ed Rendel would be a great running mate for Obama. He is the gov of Pennsylvania,a big blue collar state bordering Ohio. Rendel is immensely popular Gov and he is Jewish. Obama needs the Jewish vote if he is going to win Florida and some of the swing states. Obama is viewed very suspiciously as not a very dependable friend of Israel.

At least it would be good for PA. ;-)

[rapunzel]

Would you go back to your diabolical plan of world domination and let the gulls have their moment. :D

Well, can you blame him for wanting to come play at our party? I mean, would you have wanted to be in that room in Kenner or at the bash in St. Paul? 19,000 inside and 15,000 outside, all listening a positive message.

[wrobert]

Another good choice for Obama would be Bill Richardson. He helped Obama over the hump and is excellent on foreign affairs.

But here are some other vp choices:

• HILLARY CLINTON. Takes care of fans of "women with power" right off the bat.
• MIKE HUCKABEE. Would secure the votes of formerly fat people who play electric guitar and don't believe in evolution.
• CHERIE BERRY. North Carolina's Labor Secretary would balance the ticket in three ways: She's a woman, she's a Republican, and she's a slave to corporate interests at the expense of the public good. Oops, maybe not a good choice after all.
• MICKEY MOUSE. Incredibly popular, would help lock down the Florida vote, and his ears would match his running mate's.
• GEORGE W. BUSH. The most ironclad case of "assassination insurance" in VP-picking history.
• MITT ROMNEY. Guarantees support from the Obscenely Wealthy Corporate Automaton community.
• CAROLINE KENNEDY. All the talk about Obama's "Kennedyesque mystique" would be kicked up to mind-boggling levels that even our McCain-worshipping press would have to notice.
• WILLIE NELSON. A genius pick that nails Texans, pot-smokers and senior voters at the same time.
• ELIOT SPITZER. Now and then a First Lady can start to get on a president's nerves. Eliot can help.
• AL GORE. He's already been there, done that. Plus, he'll lock down the dirt-worshipping tree hugger vote.
• DALE EARNHARDT JR. Need to suck up to the white working class? You got it. Could help reverse 40 years of GOP dominance in the South.
• ELLEN DEGENERES. A draw for voters who watch talk shows, dance at the drop of a hat, cry over dogs, support gay rights and/or want a woman on the ticket but not someone Michelle Obama would have to worry about.
• GEORGE MCGOVERN. If a Republican debacle is as certain as some pundits believe, why not go ahead and really rub it in?
• JANE FONDA. Ditto.
• LARRY KING. Picking someone even older than John McCain -- heck, older than McCain's mother -- would instantly deal with the "inexperienced" and "too young" question.
• BRITNEY SPEARS. No matter what the right-wing press digs up on Obama, his youthful personal choices will always seem wise compared to hers.
• THE DALAI LAMA. Yeah yeah, he's not American, but for God's sake, it's the Dalai friggin' Lama here! It's a shoo-in -- go for it!
• CHAKA KHAN. Just so Obama can get the band to play "Baby Got Back" on the final night of the convention.
• AL SHARPTON. **** 'em if they can't take a joke.
• KATIE COURIC. Simultaneously secures the older TV-news-watching crowd and moves the ticket away from public perception as too "intellectual," or even smart.
• ANGELINA JOLIE. Could get Congress to revise the whole concept of "No child left behind."
• MICHAEL SCHIAVO. What better way to remind voters of what happens when you let Republicans run the government?
• SUE MYRICK. Anything. Just get her away from Charlotte.
• TIM RUSSERT. Little-known secret: Russert's giant head is actually a storage locker that could be used as hiding place for the President in case of assassination attempt.
• DAVID BECKHAM. Two words: Soccer moms.
And finally, just to be fair, my favorite entry in Will Durst's "McCain VP" story:
• TED WILLIAMS' HEAD. Future focused. Travel costs slashed. Low maintenance.

Do not forget Charlie Crist. He wants to move to DC.

[jdarg]

Do not forget Charlie Crist. He wants to move to DC.

Come up with something funny for him and you can add him to the list! (Outstanding list BTW Gypsea!)

And Punz, hope you are raising your glass right now! Cheers to you for making a difference and contributing- you rock!

[wrobert]

Come up with something funny for him and you can add him to the list! (Outstanding list BTW Gypsea!)

And Punz, hope you are raising your glass right now! Cheers to you for making a difference and contributing- you rock!

Problem is Crist just makes me :(. Ahhh.....finally I am able to write with an icon.

[aleonard]

Well, can you blame him for wanting to come play at our party? I mean, would you have wanted to be in that room in Kenner or at the bash in St. Paul? 19,000 inside and 15,000 outside, all listening a positive message.


You're just not gonna give up on turning him, are ya?:floor:

[rapunzel]

Charlie Crist -- He brings both the tanorexic and Log Cabin vote.

[wrobert]

Charlie Crist -- He brings both the tanorexic and Log Cabin vote.


Now that is pretty good.

[aleonard]

Charlie Crist -- He brings both the tanorexic and Log Cabin vote.


And he'll be in Niceville next Thursday.

[wrobert]

And he'll be in Niceville next Thursday.


Why?

[rapunzel]

http://www.spanalaskasales.com/media/Log-Cabin-Syrup-24oz.gif

[aleonard]

Why?

Governor Charlie Crist is scheduled to sign the State College Bill at Okaloosa Walton College on June 12 at 10:30 AM in the Mattie Kelly Fine & Performing Arts Center. OWC President Bob Richburg and Board of Trustees Chairman Jody Henderson will host Governor Crist, Senate President Ken Pruitt, Speaker Designate Ray Sansom and the Northwest Florida Legislative Delegation at this event. Additional details will follow. Please feel free to contact Representative Sansom’s district office at 833.9328 for additional information.

[wrobert]

Governor Charlie Crist is scheduled to sign the State College Bill at Okaloosa Walton College on June 12 at 10:30 AM in the Mattie Kelly Fine & Performing Arts Center. OWC President Bob Richburg and Board of Trustees Chairman Jody Henderson will host Governor Crist, Senate President Ken Pruitt, Speaker Designate Ray Sansom and the Northwest Florida Legislative Delegation at this event. Additional details will follow. Please feel free to contact Representative Sansom’s district office at 833.9328 for additional information.


Maybe he won't go out partying the night before.

Frankly, I am glad it is going to be Obama. There for a bit I was really fearful Florida would go blue. But now.........a red state is assured. Oh happy days.

:lolabove:

[aleonard]

Maybe he won't go out partying the night before.

Frankly, I am glad it is going to be Obama. There for a bit I was really fearful Florida would go blue. But now.........a red state is assured. Oh happy days.

:lolabove:

Told ya he was up to something;-)

[rapunzel]

The cliche is, 'we are watching history being made.' But that's not quite it, not tonight, not for us. We are part of making history. We will remember this evening for the rest of our lives.

-- from an email I just received from a fellow volunteer.

That goes for JDarg, Allifunn, and everyone else who came to our house parties, too!

[Bob]

Congrats to Obama for clinching his victory with superdelegates. How many primaries did Obama win today?

[rapunzel]

I wanted to share the email I received --

I'm about to take the stage in St. Paul and announce that we have won the Democratic nomination for President of the United States.

It's been a long journey, and we should all pause to thank Hillary Clinton, who made history in this campaign. Our party and our country are better off because of her.

I want to make sure you understand what's ahead of us. Earlier tonight, John McCain outlined a vision of America that's very different from ours -- a vision that continues the disastrous policies of George W. Bush.

But this is our moment. This is our time. Our time to turn the page on the policies of the past and bring new energy and new ideas to the challenges we face. Our time to offer a new direction for the country we love.

It's going to take hard work, but thanks to you and millions of other volunteers, no one has ever been more prepared for such a challenge.

Thank you for everything you've done to get us here. Let's keep making history.

Barack

[Tootsie]

It is truly a historical day for our country.

I am so excited and SO happy!!! :clap:

I'm partying with ya'll!!! :D:clap::lolabove::wave:

Come up with something funny for him and you can add him to the list! (Outstanding list BTW Gypsea!)

And Punz, hope you are raising your glass right now! Cheers to you for making a difference and contributing- you rock!

I adore Gypsea's list and laughed my butt off especially at this one:
TIM RUSSERT. Little-known secret: Russert's giant head is actually a storage locker that could be used as hiding place for the President in case of assassination attempt.

also, punzy - thanks for keeping us all informed and even making it interesting and funn.:wub:

Charlie Crist -- He brings both the tanorexic and Log Cabin vote.

oh gawd. :rolling:

[Gypsea]

I love Webb, but I think the whole experience issue is a problem with that ticket. I don't see him bringing people like Cap'n Crazy into the fold. I do think he would be a great VP, but I don't think he strengthens the ticket.

I'm worried about the baby boomer women. I think a talking point really struck them in a way even HRC may not have anticipated. I also read a great blog by a woman known as Granny Doc, and she talked about how many women of her generation see the younger women who supported Obama as traitors who didn't respect their struggle. Further, BR made the point that some women of that generation had to fight dirty so that younger women didn't. Well, that resonated with me. I am not a fan of the way Hillary ran her campaign, and I think the better candidate is our nominee. Still, I recognize now that because I never felt discrimination doesn't mean they didn't and that my have a real influence on their perceptions of this race.

I think putting Hillary Clinton on the ticket undermines his strongest asset -- his "new kind of politics" and an end to the divisive campaign without end politics of the last 16 years. He's change, she is a return to the past. However, I now believe a woman who shares his approach and values would reinforce the ticket.

I was really disgusted by John McCain reaching out to Hillary supporters, and implying that the Florida/Michigan solution was unfair to Hillary even though the Republicans weighted the Florida/Michigan elections the same way.

I asked him and I got a maybe for Webb and a no to the others. If you put a spunky woman with Obama you may get a maybe there from the baby boomer women but a no to the others. It just depends on what group he decides that he needs. Can't get em all.

[6thGen]

If I'm Obama, I sure as hell wouldn't want the Clinton political machine one breath away from the presidency.

[BeachSiO2]

If I'm Obama, I sure as hell wouldn't want the Clinton political machine one breath away from the presidency.

:nono1: WARNING!!! Don't go down this road. I did about a month or so ago and it sure ruffled some feathers.

[hnooe]

Amazing...as an over 45 year old, it seemed like yesterday that segregation was a big part of this country--as a little boy I even remember seeing a "White's Only" sign in a restaurant in Virginia my folks took me to. In 1962, 44 states had laws that forbade interracial marriage...40 some odd years later, whew, this is totally monumental and a very BIG thing, to me.

[Gypsea]

:nono1: WARNING!!! Don't go down this road. I did about a month or so ago and it sure ruffled some feathers.

Good advice. :biggrin:

[scooterbug44]

If I'm Obama, I sure as hell wouldn't want the Clinton political machine one breath away from the presidency.

I won't go so far as to say she'd be involved in a real assassination (though she's already planted the idea in people's minds), but I could TOTALLY see her making him the fall guy for some political scandal - deliberately manufactured or otherwise!

[aleonard]

:nono1: WARNING!!! Don't go down this road. I did about a month or so ago and it sure ruffled some feathers.

Some friends and I were discussing this yesterday. We are all a part of the Shakespeare troupe at OWC. Hillary as Richard III. would be great fodder for a sendup :biggrin:

[6thGen]

I don't see a dead girl or live boy in Obama's future, and even if there was, it is easy to paint it as a vast right wing conspriracy. A crazy Southern conservative who hates the black man is much more effective, and it consolidates more power for the party. I don't think it will happen, but I think it is much more likely to happen with a Clinton as VP.

[Gypsea]

Amazing...as an over 45 year old, it seemed like yesterday that segregation was a big part of this country--as a little boy I even remember seeing a "White's Only" sign in a restaurant in Virginia my folks took me to. In 1962, 44 states had laws that forbade interracial marriage...40 some odd years later, whew, this is totally monumental and a very BIG thing, to me.

The angry boomer women feel the same way about how far they have come and want to see a woman in the top spot. It is amazing that both groups have come so close to seeing it realized in the same year. At least we finally have progress in that respect. It can only get better (unless you are one of those bitter white people).

[6thGen]

Why stop there? Seminole Indians were at the bottom of the social ladder and have come so far. They need to see one of their own in the top spot. If we are playing identity politics, at least play fair.

[Gypsea]

Why stop there? Seminole Indians were at the bottom of the social ladder and have come so far. They need to see one of their own in the top spot. If we are playing identity politics, at least play fair.

You must be one of those bitter people. Only white men need apply. :angry:

[Gypsea]

Why stop there? Seminole Indians were at the bottom of the social ladder and have come so far. They need to see one of their own in the top spot. If we are playing identity politics, at least play fair.

And if they are qualified, why the @#$# not?

[6thGen]

And if they are qualified, why the @#$# not?

Agreed. But I'm one of those old fashioned Southerners that judges candidates by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin or the definition of their gender.

[hnooe]

Why stop there? Seminole Indians were at the bottom of the social ladder and have come so far. They need to see one of their own in the top spot. If we are playing identity politics, at least play fair.

I was referring to a "historical marker" in American history for the Obama campaign..."politically" he has much more work to do in order to be the President of ALL Americans, for sure.

[6thGen]

I was referring to a "historical marker" in American history for the Obama campaign..."politically" he has much more work to do in order to be the President of ALL Americans, for sure.

I know, and I agree. I was speaking more to Gypsea who thinks that a woman deserves a turn. I wish the GOP had a black candidate that was as appealing as Obama and as far right as he is far left. The difference is (not directed at you), I'd be supporting his policies, not his heritage, but I recognize such a candidate would be more appealing to the electorate.

[Gypsea]

Agreed. But I'm one of those old fashioned Southerners that judges candidates by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin or the definition of their gender.

Can't they have both?

[scooterbug44]

I don't want a female president just because she's female, I want a great candidate/president who just happens to be female.

[Gypsea]

I don't want a female president just because she's female, I want a great candidate/president who just happens to be female.

Of course not, nor would I. :wave:

[6thGen]

Can't they have both?

Why does it matter? Again, I agree that it is an interesting benchmark, but when someone pulls the curtain I wish that gender and race wouldn't enter the equation of the selection.

[scooterbug44]

Sorry, just annoyed because there are some who constantly mention Hillary's gender as the reason to vote for her - and act as if you are spitting on Susan B. Anthony's grave if you are a female and don't support her. :roll:

[Gypsea]

Why does it matter? Again, I agree that it is an interesting benchmark, but when someone pulls the curtain I wish that gender and race wouldn't enter the equation of the selection.

Wouldn't that be wonderful!!! If only that could have been the case since the beginning of this republic ~ the faces would have looked different.

[Gypsea]

Sorry, just annoyed because there are some who constantly mention Hillary's gender as the reason to vote for her - and act as if you are spitting on Susan B. Anthony's grave if you are a female and don't support her. :roll:

She was not my choice either. :wave: I was just stating that I have talked with some of those boomer women that have felt the same way about her (apparently they felt she was also qualified) as others have felt about Obama.

[peapod1980]

OK, I keep saying how terrified I am that Obama is going to choose Hillary for his veep, and Mr. Pod keeps telling me I'd better get used to it because it's absolutely going to happen. I've read the thread and all the possible names, but is Hillary as VP a foregone conclusion at this point?

[scooterbug44]

I found this interesting - the other articles I read mainly talked about how the Clinton's have burned some bridges in their campaigning and that how she handles her defeat will determine her future. This one basically says she doesn't want to be VP and Obama doesn't want her to be and neither do the heavies.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/139908

[Rita]

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OK, I keep saying how terrified I am that Obama is going to choose Hillary for his veep, and Mr. Pod keeps telling me I'd better get used to it because it's absolutely going to happen. I've read the thread and all the possible names, but is Hillary as VP a foregone conclusion at this point?

I just can't see (or don't want to see) Obama choosing Hillary. Although close in policy, she really does represent politics as usual. I think he needs to choose someone with strong foreign policy background as this is where McCain will be trying to paint him into a corner.

"What does Hillary want?" ----- Well we all know we've taught our kids that no matter how hard you work, you can't always get what you want!

I will be disappointed if Obama chooses her.


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[Gypsea]

OK, I keep saying how terrified I am that Obama is going to choose Hillary for his veep, and Mr. Pod keeps telling me I'd better get used to it because it's absolutely going to happen. I've read the thread and all the possible names, but is Hillary as VP a foregone conclusion at this point?


I would not bet any money on her becoming his VP. With Hill you get Bill and I don't think any candidate would want that.

[rapunzel]

I'm standing behind my wager made back in January...she will not be on the ticket. I hear she is trying to push for a seat at the healthcare table, but unless she can get behind his plan, I hate to see her get a role in that battle. I'd love to see her as Senate Majority Leader...her tenacity would serve her well in that role.

If JDarg's mom loses the bet...I'm going to tell her, "Just donate it to the Obama campaign." :floor: About as likely to happen as wrobert ponying up cash for Obama.

[BeachSiO2]

I'm standing behind my wager made back in January...she will not be on the ticket.

:wave: thank you, as you have been right on with your Obama insight.

[Gypsea]

I'm standing behind my wager made back in January...she will not be on the ticket. I hear she is trying to push for a seat at the healthcare table, but unless she can get behind his plan, I hate to see her get a role in that battle. I'd love to see her as Senate Majority Leader...her tenacity would serve her well in that role.

If JDarg's mom loses the bet...I'm going to tell her, "Just donate it to the Obama campaign." :floor: About as likely to happen as wrobert ponying up cash for Obama.

:rofl:

[6thGen]

I'm betting the negotiation is on JPS' soon to be open SCOTUS seat.

[scooterbug44]

Too funny!

[Beach Runner]

I just realied that I have not expressed my congratulations to Obama and all of those who have supported him, especially those with sweat equity in the race, like Punzy. Anyhow, congratulations. :clap:

Sometimes we are behind winners, and sometimes we are behind losers. I'm in the group that was behind the person who won the last two terms. Now it's time for others to get their chance.

"For everything there is a season ..."

[Rita]

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Too funny!


s-bug, that is HILLarious!...:funn:


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[aleonard]

I just realied that I have not expressed my congratulations to Obama and all of those who have supported him, especially those with sweat equity in the race, like Punzy. Anyhow, congratulations. :clap:

Sometimes we are behind winners, and sometimes we are behind losers. I'm in the group that was behind the person who won the last two terms. Now it's time for others to get their chance.

"For everything there is a season ... "

BR.......You've got class :wub:

[Tootsie]

Wouldn't that be wonderful!!! If only that could have been the case since the beginning of this republic ~ the faces would have looked different.


it would be wonderful, and in this election we have gotten so much closer to realizing the goal of selecting a leader based on policy, character and leadership ability. a white male would be my choice even now, if he were the best candidate. because really gender and skin color should not enter into our decision making. but unfortunately it does for at least half the country I would guess. so, we have a real possibility of our next prez being another white male, one who furthers the bush cause, extends the bush administration. and I don't feel its his gender or white skin that turns me off. no, its definitely not.

[Geo]

I won't go so far as to say she'd be involved in a real assassination (though she's already planted the idea in people's minds), but I could TOTALLY see her making him the fall guy for some political scandal - deliberately manufactured or otherwise!

:shock: