The Nominee

[rapunzel]

Drudge's headline this morning....

http://www.drudgereport.com/

[Beach Runner]

That's what all of the talking heads were saying this AM. Congrats, Mr. Obama and your supporters.

For all of the "women's libbers" like me out there who are old enough to remember being discriminated against because we are female, there's always "Hillary 2012"! Or "Condoleezza 2012" -- even better!

[tistheseason]

Thanks for posting rapunzel. We're in spain and aren't getting the news! So, it's nice to know that I can count on Sowal to guide me to the breaking news!:D

[rapunzel]

That's what all of the talking heads were saying this AM. Congrats, Mr. Obama and your supporters.

For all of the "women's libbers" like me out there who are old enough to remember being discriminated against because we are female, there's always "Hillary 2012"! Or "Condoleezza 2012" -- even better!

Oh, I don't know about 2012...but how about Brazile 2016.

That woman is my new personal hero.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/06/brazile-and-begala-angril_n_100500.html
(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/06/brazile-and-begala-angril_n_100500.html)

[hnooe]

I just saw the Huffington Post headlines very early this morning, and I am a huge fan of their opinions, and, ...With this being my 1,000 post, I am announcing that I have officially gone into Obama's corner.:clap::clap::clap:Breaking News and Opinion on The Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/)

[30A Skunkape]

I just saw the Huffington Post headlines very early this morning, and I am a huge fan of their opinions, and, ...With this being my 1,000 post, I am announcing that I have officially gone into Obama's corner.:clap::clap::clap:Breaking News and Opinion on The Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/)

Not so fast-you can't be for Obama unless you apologize to Africa for AIDS:roll:

[hnooe]

Not so fast-you can't be for Obama unless you apologize to Africa for AIDS:roll:

I get what you are saying in your response (from Rev. Wrong ?), but as a gay man who has lost countless of friends and a former partner in the 80's, I will hope he will just go away.

[Beach Runner]

Oh, I don't know about 2012...but how about Brazile 2016.

That woman is my new personal hero.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/06/brazile-and-begala-angril_n_100500.html
(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/06/brazile-and-begala-angril_n_100500.html)
She is pretty darn smart. And from Louisiana. :clap:

But I'm more of a Republican, in case you haven't noticed. Hillary is the first Democrat I've ever voted for in my entire life. My father would roll over in his grave if he knew I voted for a Democrat.:eek:

[Smiling JOe]

I get what you are saying in your response (from Rev. Wrong ?), but as a gay man who has lost countless of friends and a former partner in the 80's, I will hope he will just go away.
Not to worry. I bet Saturday Night Live will soon announce that Sen Obama has sent Rev Wright to join the other Reverends Jesse JackSOME and Al NOTSOSharp-ton, on missions to non-existent countries in Africa, to keep them occupied until this election is over. Sounds like Hillary should have sent Bill on a similar mission.

[rapunzel]

She is pretty darn smart. And from Louisiana. :clap:

But I'm more of a Republican, in case you haven't noticed. Hillary is the first Democrat I've ever voted for in my entire life. My father would roll over in his grave if he knew I voted for a Democrat.:eek:

I once voted for Bobby Jindal. ;-)

Sometimes one candidate just transcends party, and we can't help ourselves.

[BeachSiO2]

Yes, but her daddy was a preacher so you better look in that closet! If he was ever inflammatory like Rev. Wright, then that one would be a little bit harder to dismiss.

[Geo]

Drudge's headline this morning....

http://www.drudgereport.com/

When I see that Hillary needs to lend her campaign millions of dollars it makes me think that:

A) Her campaign is poorly run which makes me question how she well she would do as President...

B) Support is waning for her...

Is there a way that she could just legally foot this bill- give the money to her campaign rather than a loan?

I think a lot of folks out there would admire that and it could sway some needed votes...

If I was a decision maker in her campaign I would have someone "leak" it to the media and coach Hillary to act shy about it and once the story reached a critical mass have her speak out about how deeply she believes in her cause and that she sees it fit to put skin in the game ("How I can I look Americans in the eye and ask them for their support when I myself haven't invested")...

What do you guys think?

GW

[Smiling JOe]

Unless her campaign pays back her personal loan to her campaign, she IS giving the money to her campaign. She only calls it a loan, so that she can get more people to donate, repaying herself. It's not like they need the money, though. She has surely given enough promises that she and Bill can take in plenty of money in any given year.

[Geo]

Unless her campaign pays back her personal loan to her campaign, she IS giving the money to her campaign. She only calls it a loan, so that she can get more people to donate, repaying herself. It's not like they need the money, though. She has surely given enough promises that she and Bill can take in plenty of money in any given year.

Agreed. But my point/question is-

Do you think the fact that it is called a loan makes her look bad and that if it was positioned as skin in the game that it would make her look good?

G

[Beach Runner]

I once voted for Bobby Jindal. ;-)

Sometimes one candidate just transcends party, and we can't help ourselves.
True.dat

[wrobert]

Agreed. But my point/question is-

Do you think the fact that it is called a loan makes her look bad and that if it was positioned as skin in the game that it would make her look good?

G


Maybe it does to some people. But any personal contributions by a candidate are always listed as a loan. I saw when Imfeld dropped out from the local Sheriff's race, he paid his loans to himself back and then distributed the monies to a non-proft. This is pretty much how it is done.

[rapunzel]

Agreed. But my point/question is-

Do you think the fact that it is called a loan makes her look bad and that if it was positioned as skin in the game that it would make her look good?

G

How it looks doesn't matter anymore. She's out to recover her losses. That $6.4 million doesn't factor in the millions in unpaid bills she still owes small vendors going back to Iowa. She's going to lose skin, but if she acknowledges how bad her debt truly is, she knows it will be the death knell and she won't be able to raise anymore money, period.

There's a reason she asked for money in the first line of her speech last night. No one, no matter how rich, wants to lose 25-30% of their net worth on a failed candidacy.

[Smiling JOe]

Agreed. But my point/question is-

Do you think the fact that it is called a loan makes her look bad and that if it was positioned as skin in the game that it would make her look good?

G

No, I don't think calling it a loan makes her look bad, though it does show her cards (the campaign is broke and has no more turnips to squeeze). I don't think the average person even knows that she loaned money to her campaign to help keep her in the game.

For those who keep up with poliTRICKS, they all know that she has milked the deep pockets for all they can legally give, and that Sen Obama, keeps getting new money from new people. He will likely be well-positioned to fight McCain with advertising.

I think many Obama's newness and lack of record scares many voters, but I think that even more voters are turned off by all of the candidates, so it will not surprise me that with their protest against "all of the above," they stay at home and Obama brings home the "W" (w=win, not Bush) in the general election. Conservatives throw their hands up with McCain, and the only way he would win their support would be to pull in a true conservative (fiscally speaking) for the VP. If he did this, it is likely that he would also pull many Independents (formally of the GOP). I think that many people confuse Independents with middle-of the road people, but I tend to believe they are people who feel abandoned by their Party.

[Smiling JOe]

There's a reason she asked for money in the first line of her speech last night. No one, no matter how rich, wants to lose 25-30% of their net worth on a failed candidacy.

There is another potential reason why she asked for money up front last night. Recently, but too late, her webmaster redesigned her website (https://contribute.hillaryclinton.com/donate-c.html?sc=a725) so that the first thing to pop up was a solicitation for money. Overnight, their income from the website shot up dramatically. If you type in www.HillaryClinton.com, you are automatically redirected to the contribution page, and have to hit a "go to" button to get to her "real" info page, and even on that page, the top thing is a "contribute" button. Makes sense to me. You would think that those little things would be thought out long in advance.

[wrobert]

There is another potential reason why she asked for money up front last night. Recently, but too late, her webmaster redesigned her website (https://contribute.hillaryclinton.com/donate-c.html?sc=a725) so that the first thing to pop up was a solicitation for money. Overnight, their income from the website shot up dramatically. If you type in www.HillaryClinton.com (http://www.HillaryClinton.com), you are automatically redirected to the contribution page, and have to hit a "go to" button to get to her "real" info page, and even on that page, the top thing is a "contribute" button. Makes sense to me. You would think that those little things would be thought out long in advance.

Now I got to work on redoing my website. Thanks SJ. :cry:

[Smiling JOe]

No problem, but I cannot believe it took Hillary Clinton to show you about fundraising and poliTRICKS. Since Obama seems to have more campaign money, you might want to take some notes from his site, too. His buttons to the main page are silent, hoping that you will click on the donate button when you cannot determine how to see the other parts of the site.

Punzy, Sean Hannity is running out of talk material, today. He sounds desperate, trying to keep Hillary in the race. I think that is a sign that it is over for her.

[rapunzel]

No problem, but I cannot believe it took Hillary Clinton to show you about fundraising and poliTRICKS. Since Obama seems to have more campaign money, you might want to take some notes from his site, too. His buttons to the main page are silent, hoping that you will click on the donate button when you cannot determine how to see the other parts of the site.

Punzy, Sean Hannity is running out of talk material, today. He sounds desperate, trying to keep Hillary in the race. I think that is a sign that it is over for her.

Thanks, but I thought I told you to step away from the am radio, SJ. It's going to rot your brain out.

Anyone else think Hillary is starting to sound like the kid from Better Off Dead?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2C07yRCdT8

[Smiling JOe]

From Hillary's response to the Press, today, it sounds as though if she doesn't get the answer from the Democratic National Convention Bi-Laws Committee at the end of the month, when they make a ruling on MI and FL, she will take it to the Credentials Committee, and see what they say. She will fight a hard race just like Eight Belles, and in the end go down (politically) after she loses to Big Brown.

[InletBchDweller]

Punzy, Sean Hannity is running out of talk material, today. He sounds desperate, trying to keep Hillary in the race. I think that is a sign that it is over for her.

Hannity may be running out of material but Rush sure has not...:lol:

[Margarita]

Hannity may be running out of material but Rush sure has not...:lol:

I read today that Rush's "Operation Chaos" accounted for 7% of Hillary's vote last night. She only won by 2%. I bet she is lovin Rush right about now.

[Margarita]

Not to worry. I bet Saturday Night Live will soon announce that Sen Obama has sent Rev Wright to join the other Reverends Jesse JackSOME and Al NOTSOSharp-ton, on missions to non-existent countries in Africa, to keep them occupied until this election is over. Sounds like Hillary should have sent Bill on a similar mission.

No such luck - Big Al just got arrested. :funn:

[InletBchDweller]

I read today that Rush's "Operation Chaos" accounted for 7% of Hillary's vote last night. She only won by 2%. I bet she is lovin Rush right about now. I have been lately, the man makes me laugh out loud at times -

[jdarg]

I read today that Rush's "Operation Chaos" accounted for 7% of Hillary's vote last night. She only won by 2%. I bet she is lovin Rush right about now.


Intentionally screwing with the election process in this manner is un-American and unpatriotic, and I am sad and embarrassed that many Americans support this tactic. More bad form from the hypocrit drug addict talk show host.

[rapunzel]

Not wearing a flag pin = Unpatriotic

Abusing the right to vote that so many have fought and died for, using it to subvert the democratic process = Funny

What in Hades are these people thinking? What school system so totally failed in teaching these people civics and history? How are they defining patriotism, liberty, freedom?? How low can someone sink and still consider themselves a good citizen, or a decent American?

[jdarg]

Great. Gasbag Rush is now "supporting" Obama.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

[rapunzel]

Oooh...a Jedi mind trick on the superdelegates? 'cause so much changed between yesterday and today...
:roll:

[Beach Runner]

She will fight a hard race just like Eight Belles, and in the end go down (politically) after she loses to Big Brown.
Good analogy! And you're right.

[Smiling JOe]

Intentionally screwing with the election process in this manner is un-American and unpatriotic, and I am sad and embarrassed that many Americans support this tactic. More bad form from the hypocrit drug addict talk show host.

It isn't just republicans which do it. I know many dems who vote GOP for the primary to put the worst choice in the race.

[Tootsie]

I read today that Rush's "Operation Chaos" accounted for 7% of Hillary's vote last night. She only won by 2%. I bet she is lovin Rush right about now.

Let his true colors shine. his "operation" is plain wrong. I say hang him from his omb's for using his influence to mislead a segment of americans into immoral and unpatriotic actions. what a jerk.

[Tootsie]

It isn't just republicans which do it. I know many dems who vote GOP for the primary to put the worst choice in the race.

yes, I know. but they aren't abusing their position to influence millions of americans to do the wrong thing - people love to be told what to do and how to think especially this particular group of hardcore rush radio listeners. and yes, I do believe its dishonest to vote in this way. an abuse of privelege, imo

[Rita]

Intentionally screwing with the election process in this manner is un-American and unpatriotic, and I am sad and embarrassed that many Americans support this tactic. More bad form from the hypocrit drug addict talk show host.

ditto


Not wearing a flag pin = Unpatriotic

Abusing the right to vote that so many have fought and died for, using it to subvert the democratic process = Funny

What in Hades are these people thinking? What school system so totally failed in teaching these people civics and history? How are they defining patriotism, liberty, freedom?? How low can someone sink and still consider themselves a good citizen, or a decent American?

Rush probably sports a flag pin that was made in China. .:roll:



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[full time]

Intentionally screwing with the election process in this manner is un-American and unpatriotic, and I am sad and embarrassed that many Americans support this tactic. More bad form from the hypocrit drug addict talk show host.

Right on! Screwing with an election is as un-American as apple pie. Inhale deeply at Obama's bong of change - ummm, feels good.

[InletBchDweller]

It isn't just republicans which do it. I know many dems who vote GOP for the primary to put the worst choice in the race. I heard that this happened to get Romney out of the race....

Let his true colors shine. his "operation" is plain wrong. I say hang him from his omb's for using his influence to mislead a segment of americans into immoral and unpatriotic actions. what a jerk. hmmm, sounds like a reverand that we all know....:wave:


Rush probably sports a flag pin that was made in China. .
. LOL, at least he wears one....aren't most of AFP made in China??

[rapunzel]

LOL, at least he wears one....aren't most of AFP made in China??

Precisely...

[Smiling JOe]

Both the Dems and Reps are responsible for the US being in love with China, because to the US, China has always equaled green $$$, even though they are red.

[30A Skunkape]

On a sad note, the Obama t-shirts that Punzy got are American made...and they are crappola quality:(

[InletBchDweller]

Precisely...
The one thing I hate about message boards is you can not read sarcasm...:biggrin: Are you saying precisely b/c I said he wears one or b/c it is made in China...:floor:
On a sad note, the Obama t-shirts that Punzy got are American made...and they are crappola quality:(
Mr. IBD did not get a good look at that shirt. :lol:

[rapunzel]

On a sad note, the Obama t-shirts that Punzy got are American made...and they are crappola quality:(

Actually, the first shirt I got was great. It was the second, the one out of New Orleans, that was crapola. It was sourced from N.O., which is in the recovery zone and contracted for that reason when the textile union shops couldn't fill all of the orders. It was printed in the US, but the shirt is probably Chinese.

As for the precisely -- yes, it was sarcasm. Like Obama said, the pins are more often used not as a display of patriotism, but a substitute for it. The people wearing the flag pins are the ones who sign lopsided trade deals with China, support CAFTA, and send the manufacturing of American flag pins overseas, where they are made in abhorrent conditions by sweatshop workers. Increasingly, American workers are being forced to compete with those sweatshop workers for the right to make flag pins, flags, sheets, towels, shirts. When Americans compete with sweatshop workers, their jobs go overseas or they accept concessions and end up without health insurance, retirement plans, or even living wages. The people that wear the flag pins from China aren't raising the standard of living in the rest of the world, they're bringing the standard of living down in the US for most Americans. Most Americans aren't professionals, not every person can work in the service sector in a functional economy.

The flag pin wearers threw the American worker under the bus, but wear flag pins and point out to those workers that the other guy doesn't because he doesn't care about America. I'd prefer someone with patriotism in her heart than a symbol of it on her chest...but I guess that's just me.

[InletBchDweller]

Actually, the first shirt I got was great. It was the second, the one out of New Orleans, that was crapola. It was sourced from N.O., which is in the recovery zone and contracted for that reason when the textile union shops couldn't fill all of the orders. It was printed in the US, but the shirt is probably Chinese.

As for the precisely -- yes, it was sarcasm. Like Obama said, the pins are more often used not as a display of patriotism, but a substitute for it. The people wearing the flag pins are the ones who sign lopsided trade deals with China, support CAFTA, and send the manufacturing of American flag pins overseas, where they are made in abhorrent conditions by sweatshop workers. Increasingly, American workers are being forced to compete with those sweatshop workers for the right to make flag pins, flags, sheets, towels, shirts. When Americans compete with sweatshop workers, their jobs go overseas or they accept concessions and end up without health insurance, retirement plans, or even living wages. The people that wear the flag pins from China aren't raising the standard of living in the rest of the world, they're bringing the standard of living down in the US for most Americans. Most Americans aren't professionals, not every person can work in the service sector in a functional economy.

The flag pin wearers threw the American worker under the bus, but wear flag pins and point out to those workers that the other guy doesn't because he doesn't care about America. I'd prefer someone with patriotism in her heart than a symbol of it on her chest...but I guess that's just me.

:wub: That is what I thought - sarcasm. Punzy, I guess we will just agree to disagree...:wave: So, if my flag pin is from China does that make me less of an American???

[Rita]

IBD,

The way I see this is - Why does not wearing a flag pin make you unpatriotic?

It's things like this that seem absurd to me. I don't hold my hand over my heart when the national anthem is sung but I stand with hands together, singing and exhibit the respect deserved. I've have never felt I was being unpatriotic. And I don't wear, or own, a flag pin. If I did it would likely be made in China. :idontno:

I think the emphasis on these sort of "patriotic" things are simply attempts to try to smear a candidate. And with certain groups of people it may work. It sorta falls in there with the attempts to paint people as unpatriotic if they don't agree with the administration on various things. The old you're either "with us or against us" propaganda. It really grates on me!


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[InletBchDweller]

Rita,
I dont think it makes you unpatriotic, but to me, it just does not look good when running for political office to make a statement that you are NOT going to wear it.

These are just my thoughts - but what do I know? I am an uneducated right wing conservative racist that knows nothing of civics and I listen to Rush...:lol: LOL!! (the previous statement is all in funn, not meant to ruffle any feathers):wave: IBD,

The way I see this is - Why does not wearing a flag pin make you unpatriotic?

It's things like this that seem absurd to me. I don't hold my hand over my heart when the national anthem is sung but I stand with hands together, singing and exhibit the respect deserved. I've have never felt I was being unpatriotic. And I don't wear, or own, a flag pin. If I did it would likely be made in China. :idontno:

I think the emphasis on these sort of "patriotic" things are simply attempts to try to smear a candidate. And with certain groups of people it may work. It sorta falls in there with the attempts to paint people as unpatriotic if they don't agree with the administration on various things. The old you're either "with us or against us" propaganda. It really grates on me!


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[Tootsie]

Rita,
I dont think it makes you unpatriotic, but to me, it just does not look good when running for political office to make a statement that you are NOT going to wear it.

These are just my thoughts - but what do I know? I am an uneducated right wing conservative racist that knows nothing of civics and I listen to Rush...:lol: LOL!! (the previous statement is all in funn, not meant to ruffle any feathers):wave:

yes, its very important.

and we must be aware of a candidate's preference for butt wiping too. front to back = patriotic. back to front = evil anti-christ. I have yet to hear any definitive statements regarding hiney hygiene from any of the candidates. what's up with that? :roll:

[rapunzel]

yes, its very important.

and we must be aware of a candidate's preference for butt wiping too. front to back = patriotic. back to front = evil anti-christ. I have yet to hear any definitive statements regarding hiney hygiene from any of the candidates. what's up with that? :roll:

:floor::floor::floor::floor:

Actually, the thing that bothers me most about the flag pin issue is the elitism -- the assumption that so many Americans, enough people to make a difference in an election, are too dumb to comprehend real issues and will thus be swayed by such trivial things.

FYI -- I am not calling anyone dumb, because I know the people posting this are more spreading the message than buying it.

[Cheering472]

My patriotism is not defined by a flag pin anymore than my relationship with God is defined by a cross pendant. Finding those things on other people have seldom made me believe they were patriotic or religious.

How silly! Why must a candidate have to wear something to "prove" patriotism??

[scooterbug44]

My patriotism is not defined by a flag pin anymore than my relationship with God is defined by a cross pendant. Finding those things on other people have seldom made me believe they were patriotic or religious.

How silly! Why must a candidate have to wear something to "prove" patriotism??

Because the news media has WAY too much airtime to fill and actual issues don't make good soundbites or tabloid style exposes! :roll:

[Mango]

My patriotism is not defined by a flag pin anymore than my relationship with God is defined by a cross pendant. Finding those things on other people have seldom made me believe they were patriotic or religious.

How silly! Why must a candidate have to wear something to "prove" patriotism??

I agree to a degree. One could make the argument that if a man of the robe is not wearing a cross, he isn't really religious. I think some people think similarly about politicians regarding flag pins, especially ones running for high office.

[Rita]

Rita,
I dont think it makes you unpatriotic, but to me, it just does not look good when running for political office to make a statement that you are NOT going to wear it.

These are just my thoughts - but what do I know? I am an uneducated right wing conservative racist that knows nothing of civics and I listen to Rush...:lol: LOL!! (the previous statement is all in funn, not meant to ruffle any feathers):wave:

:lol: . none ruffled. Can I safely assume you are at least the conservative part though?:biggrin:

I consider myself fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Have always been registered as Independent. I have to admit that I would have a hard time listening to Limbaugh for more than a few minutes at a time though. :blink:

Appreciate your thoughts on here but please don't ask me wear a flag pin or pledge the Texas flag (like my daughter is asked to do in school). .;-)


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[rapunzel]

If I wear a tiara, will everyone believe me to be a princess?

[Rita]

If I wear a tiara, will everyone believe me to be a princess?


Not if you looked like this! . :biggrin:

[rapunzel]

Not if you looked like this! . :biggrin:

I see a crown, and only beautiful young ladies of noble birth can wear those...so that is clearly a Princess. Frankly, Rita, I don't like your disrespectful, dissenting tone. Questioning symbols! You're obviously anti-Nobility. It reminds me of Russia back in 1917. If you aren't with the nobility, you're against them. Rita, I now realize you're a Red. A Communist. Anti-American. Begone with ye!

[scooterbug44]

The picture looks like royalty to me. So many generations of inbreeding DO take their toll! :biggrin:

[Rita]

I see a crown, and only beautiful young ladies of noble birth can wear those...so that is clearly a Princess. Frankly, Rita, I don't like your disrespectful, dissenting tone. Questioning symbols! You're obviously anti-Nobility. It reminds me of Russia back in 1917. If you aren't with the nobility, you're against them. Rita, I now realize you're a Red. A Communist. Anti-American. Begone with ye!

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e129/gulfwindsway/emoticons/www_MyEmoticons_com__makeup.gif


The picture looks like royalty to me. So many generations of inbreeding DO take their toll! :biggrin:

omg! .:funn:


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[Gypsea]

My patriotism is not defined by a flag pin anymore than my relationship with God is defined by a cross pendant. Finding those things on other people have seldom made me believe they were patriotic or religious.

How silly! Why must a candidate have to wear something to "prove" patriotism??

I totally agree that you don't have to wear a flag pin to "prove patriotism" but if you are truly patriotic and want to wear a flag pin than why not? I'm married to someone who loves to wear a flag pin at times because he truly feels patriotic. It's important to him and that is what counts. By the way, he is not running for anything and if he ever does please shoot me! Maybe he likes to wear it because of all those years that he served in the military and just really believes in our country (even though he has had to hear me complain daily about our country's leadership for the last seven years). He also believes in Pittsburgh and wears buttons for that and oh yeah, don't even try to take his SoWal shirt away from him. :biggrin:

Soooo IMO choosing not to wear a flag pin doesn't prove you are not patriotic and choosing to wear one doesn't mean false patriotism. The only important thing is what it means to you.

[Rita]

My patriotism is not defined by a flag pin anymore than my relationship with God is defined by a cross pendant. Finding those things on other people have seldom made me believe they were patriotic or religious.

How silly! Why must a candidate have to wear something to "prove" patriotism??

I totally agree that you don't have to wear a flag pin to "prove patriotism" but if you are truly patriotic and want to wear a flag pin than why not? I'm married to someone who loves to wear a flag pin at times because he truly feels patriotic. It's important to him and that is what counts. By the way, he is not running for anything and if he ever does please shoot me! Maybe he likes to wear it because of all those years that he served in the military and just really believes in our country (even though he has had to hear me complain daily about our country's leadership for the last seven years). He also believes in Pittsburgh and wears buttons for that and oh yeah, don't even try to take his SoWal shirt away from him. :biggrin:

Soooo IMO choosing not to wear a flag pin doesn't prove you are not patriotic and choosing to wear one doesn't mean false patriotism. The only important thing is what it means to you.

:clap:.This is how it should be! No one should be telling someone else that they should or should not.

There was this guy that after 9/11 committed to wearing a flag tie daily. At some point (I'm pretty sure he made it more than a year) he finally said he just couldn't do it anymore. I think it got dingy and ratty looking. And it certainly wouldn't have given him the same good feeling as I'm sure Mr. Gypsea has when he chooses to wear it when he gets the urge.

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[Rita]

Uh oh! If Seacrestkristi is lurking -take note!- The SoWal god's are messing with the quotes again...:lol:,, See prior posts for proof.


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[InletBchDweller]

and we must be aware of a candidate's preference for butt wiping too. front to back = patriotic. back to front = evil anti-christ. I have yet to hear any definitive statements regarding hiney hygiene from any of the candidates. what's up with that? :roll: LOL, :floor: I am going to have to find you tomm and give you a bug hug for that one...Hi, I am -----, I am running for this office and I wipe my heiney from front to back...:lol:

[/b]

:lol: . none ruffled. Can I safely assume you are at least the conservative part though?:biggrin:

I consider myself fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Have always been registered as Independent. I have to admit that I would have a hard time listening to Limbaugh for more than a few minutes at a time though. :blink:

Appreciate your thoughts on here but please don't ask me wear a flag pin or pledge the Texas flag (like my daughter is asked to do in school). .;-)


.according to some test that was on the internet I am a centralist?? hell, I dont know, something in the middle... I don't get to listen to Limbaugh often and I don't agree with everything he says. Some of the things he says just makes me laugh. I realize that many people (not saying you) hate him but have never listened to him. Just like many people did not read/listen to the Rev. Wright speech but still judged him.
Uh oh! If Seacrestkristi is lurking -take note!- The SoWal god's are messing with the quotes again...:lol:,, See prior posts for proof.


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I noticed that, uh oh!!

[John R]

where is Mrs. Clinton's American flag pin?

http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/POLITICS/05/07/democrats.race/art.hillarywin1.ap.jpg
http://savagepolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/hillary-clinton-howard-u-400a062907.jpg
http://www.topnews.in/usa/files/Hillary_Clinton_Leads.jpg
http://fitsnews.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/hillary-clinton-on-phone.jpg
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/11_01/clintonR_468x612.jpg
http://www.richerthanyourdad.com/images/hillary.jpg
http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/20071101/hillary-clinton-illegal-alien-drivers-license.jpg

i'm not sure she's patriotic enough to be the president.

[goodwitch58]

Actually, the first shirt I got was great. It was the second, the one out of New Orleans, that was crapola. It was sourced from N.O., which is in the recovery zone and contracted for that reason when the textile union shops couldn't fill all of the orders. It was printed in the US, but the shirt is probably Chinese.

As for the precisely -- yes, it was sarcasm. Like Obama said, the pins are more often used not as a display of patriotism, but a substitute for it. The people wearing the flag pins are the ones who sign lopsided trade deals with China, support CAFTA, and send the manufacturing of American flag pins overseas, where they are made in abhorrent conditions by sweatshop workers. Increasingly, American workers are being forced to compete with those sweatshop workers for the right to make flag pins, flags, sheets, towels, shirts. When Americans compete with sweatshop workers, their jobs go overseas or they accept concessions and end up without health insurance, retirement plans, or even living wages. The people that wear the flag pins from China aren't raising the standard of living in the rest of the world, they're bringing the standard of living down in the US for most Americans. Most Americans aren't professionals, not every person can work in the service sector in a functional economy.

The flag pin wearers threw the American worker under the bus, but wear flag pins and point out to those workers that the other guy doesn't because he doesn't care about America. I'd prefer someone with patriotism in her heart than a symbol of it on her chest...but I guess that's just me.

Frankly, I feel the wearing of the flag pin by politicians, R or D, is an insult to the military members who have our flag stitched into their uniforms...Members of Congress -- especially those who are running -- wear the flag and refuse to support our troops with the equipment they need; with the care they need when they return; and most of all they continue to support a Commander in Chief who has a flawed war/defense policy.

They are all hiding behind the flag pin while our men in women in uniform are putting their flags and their lives in harm's way.

It disgusts me. At least Obama has been against this horrible war from the beginning, and he is willing to put his principles where his speeches are...

[Smiling JOe]

flag pins ruin a good suit. They need to make magnetic ones for those politicians who don't feel American enough, that they need to wear a flag to show that they are patriotic. Punzy nailed it yesterday regarding this issue.

[Tootsie]

flag pins ruin a good suit. They need to make magnetic ones for those politicians who don't feel American enough, that they need to wear a flag to show that they are patriotic. Punzy nailed it yesterday regarding this issue.


as usual. :wave:

[Gypsea]

Obama may choose not to wear a lapel pin for but when he speaks he has plenty of flags behind his podium sooo you would think that that would be enough to put this issue to rest. ;-)

[rapunzel]

And Obama's flags are always so nicely pressed, too. That's the sign of a patriot...

http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/blog/obama%20flag%20giant%20brett%20flashnick%20oct%206 %202007-thumb.jpg

[Beach Runner]

Punzy ironing the flag:
http://home.earthlink.net/~beachrunner/chores007.gif

My apologies to Mango for plagiarizing.:biggrin:

[Smiling JOe]

That Flag looks like it was ironed by the person who irons my tee-shirts.

[Tootsie]

That Flag looks like it was ironed by the person who irons my tee-shirts.

yeah, mine too.

[Beach Runner]

That Flag looks like it was ironed by the person who irons my tee-shirts.
Give her a break. :lol: Can you imagine how hard it is to iron a flag that big? This is coming from someone who is so bad at ironing that I have trouble ironing dinner napkins. I iron twice a year, whether I have to or not.

[Mango]

Punzy ironing the flag:
http://home.earthlink.net/~beachrunner/chores007.gif

My apologies to Mango for plagiarizing.:biggrin:

Here's the politically correct one. :wave:

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r221/mtgebabe/ironing-1.gif

[rapunzel]

That Flag looks like it was ironed by the person who irons my tee-shirts.




This is my ironing...I posted a Washington Post picture from a thumbnail, and that's probably the same flag before I got a hold of it.

[NoHall]

Didn't you say you actually steamed it?!?!

[rapunzel]

Didn't you say you actually steamed it?!?!

I'm steaming it in the picture. I don't think it's possible to iron a flag that big without letting it touch the floor. Further, I think it's probably verboten to iron a flag. I don't know...they wouldn't let me join boy scouts!

[NoHall]

I'm steaming it in the picture. I don't think it's possible to iron a flag that big without letting it touch the floor. Further, I think it's probably verboten to iron a flag. I don't know...they wouldn't let me join boy scouts!

:angry: :pissed:Ooooh!!!! You hit a nerve there with me...I am STILL bitter that I'm not an Eagle Scout!!

[Beach Runner]

Here's the politically correct one. :wave:

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r221/mtgebabe/ironing-1.gif
Good gull! Didn't have time for Photoshopping -- late for our Mother's Day gathering.

[rapunzel]

Hopefully, the third time will be the charm...

8810

[tistheseason]

:angry: :pissed:Ooooh!!!! You hit a nerve there with me...I am STILL bitter that I'm not an Eagle Scout!!

I actually did join the Boy Scouts! It was actually an April Fools prank that the Den Mother was pulling on her troup. But for about 5 minutes, I was a scout!

[jdarg]

Hopefully, the third time will be the charm...

8810

No, it wasn't!:lol:

Paging tech support!!! :wave:

[Mango]

I'm steaming it in the picture. I don't think it's possible to iron a flag that big without letting it touch the floor. Further, I think it's probably verboten to iron a flag. I don't know...they wouldn't let me join boy scouts!

It's perfectably acceptable to press a flag (http://www.usa-flag-site.org/forum/wrinkled-flag-1689.html). Don't ask how I already knew this, but here is proof positive. Such a large one, I would have ironed it folded, then unfolded gradually, so as no touch the floor. I would have used a towel over it so as not to burn it isnce it's probably polyester, and ironed at low setting.

Steaming works too though. :cool:

[Tootsie]

It's perfectably acceptable to press a flag (http://www.usa-flag-site.org/forum/wrinkled-flag-1689.html). Don't ask how I already knew this, but here is proof positive. Such a large one, I would have ironed it folded, then unfolded gradually, so as no touch the floor. I would have used a towel over it so as not to burn it isnce it's probably polyester, and ironed at low setting.

Steaming works too though. :cool:

the iron maiden speaks!:floor:

well, I say wrinkles add character... :biggrin:

[Smiling JOe]

Not only do wrinkles add character, but they also are GREEN, requiring no additional electricity nor small appliance.

[NoHall]

Not only do wrinkles add character, but they also are GREEN, requiring no additional electricity nor small appliance.

Green wrinkles...that sounds especially attractive...bleh!

[Cheering472]

Green wrinkles...that sounds especially attractive...bleh!

I agree. Wrinkled Shrek, and a wrinkled incredible Hulk...bothersome images.

[scooterbug44]

I typically employ the "shake it really hard" or in extreme cases "put it in the dryer w/ a damp washcloth" methods instead of ironing.

I wrinkle clothes even more quickly than I spill on them, so ironing is a waste of time IMO!

[NoHall]

I typically employ the "shake it really hard" or in extreme cases "put it in the dryer w/ a damp washcloth" methods instead of ironing.

I wrinkle clothes even more quickly than I spill on them, so ironing is a waste of time IMO!
The shower curtain rod also works well--hang it and take a nice, hot shower...

[Mango]

I wrinkle clothes even more quickly than I spill on them, so ironing is a waste of time IMO!

:eek::eek::eek:

[aleonard]

Not only do wrinkles add character, but they also are GREEN, requiring no additional electricity nor small appliance.

Then I do my part for the environment every day. Sorry, Mango. I can't find my iron, if I even still own one:blush:

[rapunzel]

:lol:

Hey, Earthsavers -- you're all busted! Wrinkles are a product of a dryer. If you are hanging your wash on a clothesline, especially with our hard water, you get crisp, unwrinkled clothes.

My HE4 was featured in Dwell as the ultimate green (or in this case orange) appliance. I use Seventh Generation lavender = blue eucalyptus detergent and fabric softener...so I'm doing my part to save the Earth despite my iron and/or steamer. 1300 rpms are whirling away at this very moment, guaranteeing about 12 minutes total in the dryer, tops.

Carry on, posers. :wave:

[scooterbug44]

:lol:
Hey, Earthsavers -- you're all busted! Wrinkles are a product of a dryer. If you are hanging your wash on a clothesline, especially with our hard water, you get crisp, unwrinkled clothes.


Wrinkles are also a product of having a small overstuffed closet and a tendency to try on 5 outfits and pile the rejects on the bed for hours/days. :wave:

[NoHall]

:lol:

Hey, Earthsavers -- you're all busted! Wrinkles are a product of a dryer. If you are hanging your wash on a clothesline, especially with our hard water, you get crisp, unwrinkled clothes.

My HE4 was featured in Dwell as the ultimate green (or in this case orange) appliance. I use Seventh Generation lavender = blue eucalyptus detergent and fabric softener...so I'm doing my part to save the Earth despite my iron and/or steamer. 1300 rpms are whirling away at this very moment, guaranteeing about 12 minutes total in the dryer, tops.

Carry on, posers. :wave:

My allergy doctor won't let me use my clothesline anymore. :( I have a GORGEOUS clothesline that will handle multiple sets of sheets and probably every stitch of clothing I own...very sad that it sits empty...

My wrinkles come from wadding up my clothes in a chair.

[DD]

Oh my gosh. I can't even describe to you all about my issues with wrinkles.

1. I have enough on my face to look like my head's been in the dryer for months. :angry:

2. Mr. DD taking my stuff out of the dryer and cramming it in a basket could just be the reason I eventually divorce him. :bang:

[cp]

DD 2 things: I came over to see what in the world you were doing on the political thread! And to tell you my son bought some homeade p-nut brittle yesterday and it was crappy compaired to yours.:wave:

[NoHall]

I am touched and gratified by how thoroughly this thread has been hijacked, from ironing to wrinkles/hygiene to peanut brittle. SoWallers are the best at wandering off topic--my students would be inspired! :clap: :funn:

[DD]

DD 2 things: I came over to see what in the world you were doing on the political thread! And to tell you my son bought some homeade p-nut brittle yesterday and it was crappy compaired to yours.:wave:

Darling, I've read more political threads in the last three days than in my entire life. :eek: Thank you....that just might get you another batch. :biggrin:

I am touched and gratified by how thoroughly this thread has been hijacked, from ironing to wrinkles/hygiene to peanut brittle. SoWallers are the best at wandering off topic--my students would be inspired! :clap: :funn:

:clap::clap:

[InletBchDweller]

My allergy doctor won't let me use my clothesline anymore. :( I have a GORGEOUS clothesline that will handle multiple sets of sheets and probably every stitch of clothing I own...very sad that it sits empty...

My wrinkles come from wadding up my clothes in a chair. I love clotheslines...for sheets, not towels. :wave:

Oh my gosh. I can't even describe to you all about my issues with wrinkles.

1. I have enough on my face to look like my head's been in the dryer for months. :angry:

2. Mr. DD taking my stuff out of the dryer and cramming it in a basket could just be the reason I eventually divorce him. :bang: mr. IBD gets upset at me about not hanging up his tshirts immediately when they come out of the dryer. I politely tell him that he can launder his own tshirts :biggrin: And DD, you do not have lots of wrinkles..:wub:

[DD]

I love clotheslines...for sheets, not towels. :wave:

mr. IBD gets upset at me about not hanging up his tshirts immediately when they come out of the dryer. I politely tell him that he can launder his own tshirts :biggrin: And DD, you do not have lots of wrinkles..:wub:

Well, God luv him, he does do his own laundry. Maybe I'll keep him around for a while if I can break him from cramming my stuff in baskets.

:wub:Yep, they're there.

[jdarg]

A joke for Smiley J...

Presidential candidates Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and John Mc Cain > were flying to a debate.

Barack looked at Hillary, Chuckled and said, "You know I could throw a
$1,000 bill out of the window right now and make somebody very happy."

Hillary shrugged her shoulders and replied, "I could throw ten $100 bills out of the window and make ten people very happy."

John added, "That being the case, I could throw one hundred $10 bills out of
the window and make a hundred people very happy."

Hearing their exchange, the pilot rolled his eyes and said to his copilot,
"Such big-shots back there. I could throw all three of them out of the
window and make 156 million people very happy."

I'm voting for the pilot .

[Gypsea]

A joke for Smiley J...

Presidential candidates Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and John Mc Cain > were flying to a debate.

Barack looked at Hillary, Chuckled and said, "You know I could throw a
$1,000 bill out of the window right now and make somebody very happy."

Hillary shrugged her shoulders and replied, "I could throw ten $100 bills out of the window and make ten people very happy."

John added, "That being the case, I could throw one hundred $10 bills out of
the window and make a hundred people very happy."

Hearing their exchange, the pilot rolled his eyes and said to his copilot,
"Such big-shots back there. I could throw all three of them out of the
window and make 156 million people very happy."

I'm voting for the pilot .

Love it!!! :floor:

[Smiling JOe]

Wrinkles are also a product of having a small overstuffed closet and a tendency to try on 5 outfits and pile the rejects on the bed for hours/days. :wave:

:roll: Are you peaking in through my windows?


A joke for Smiley J...

Presidential candidates Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and John Mc Cain > were flying to a debate.

Barack looked at Hillary, Chuckled and said, "You know I could throw a
$1,000 bill out of the window right now and make somebody very happy."

Hillary shrugged her shoulders and replied, "I could throw ten $100 bills out of the window and make ten people very happy."

John added, "That being the case, I could throw one hundred $10 bills out of
the window and make a hundred people very happy."

Hearing their exchange, the pilot rolled his eyes and said to his copilot,
"Such big-shots back there. I could throw all three of them out of the
window and make 156 million people very happy."

I'm voting for the pilot .

JDarg, that made me laugh outloud! :clap:

[cp]

:wave:that is the funniest thing I've read in a while. !!

[Smiling JOe]

After trying to tell that joke, I got confused regarding who threw out what denomination of bills. I think the joke has John and Barack reversed.