McCain '08 - Like Hope, But Different

[steeleing1]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3gwqEneBKUs

[jdarg]

Thanks! The laughing helped clear my head!

(I have chained myself to the computer to do "real" work today- not that SoWal isn't real work...:roll:)

[Andy A.]

1Great video if you like things taken totally out of context and meaning of what John McCain actually has said. And forget the 100, l000 year crap. He has clarified his meaning already. We still have troops in England, Germany, Spain, Korea, Japan and a myriad of other places around the globe. If we are going to bring them home from one place why not bring them all home. It is part of being a service man. We all knew what to expect and accepted it. Too bad some of the American public cannot do the same.

[hnooe]

1Great video if you like things taken totally out of context and meaning of what John McCain actually has said. And forget the 100, l000 year crap. He has clarified his meaning already. We still have troops in England, Germany, Spain, Korea, Japan and a myriad of other places around the globe. If we are going to bring them home from one place why not bring them all home. It is part of being a service man. We all knew what to expect and accepted it. Too bad some of the American public cannot do the same.

When is it "part of being a service man" to illegally invade and plunder a Muslim country, spend billions on reconstructing it, and then just stay there and never wear out our welcome. We should keep a stiff upper lip and "accept it". I just don't get it, Andy--help me understand your point of view here?.

[Andy A.]

When is orit "part of being a service man" to illegally invade and plunder a Muslim country, spend billions on reconstructing it, and then just stay there and never wear out our welcome. We should keep a stiff upper lip and "accept it". I just don't get it, Andy--help me understand your point of view here?.
To argue, you might say debate, with people of your pursuasion is fruitless. You will never understand my feelings until the disaster, what ever it may be, strikes next door to you. Help you understand? It is not possible for me to help you understand because you don't understand that there is a problem or don't want to accept such, one or the other

[hnooe]

To argue, you might say debate, with people of your pursuasion is fruitless. You will never understand my feelings until the disaster, what ever it may be, strikes next door to you. Help you understand? It is not possible for me to help you understand because you don't understand that there is a problem or don't want to accept such, one or the other

Thank you--Just need your take on things-- Have a great day.:D

[Tootsie]

excellent S1. thanks. :wave:

[30A Skunkape]

To argue, you might say debate, with people of your pursuasion is fruitless. You will never understand my feelings until the disaster, what ever it may be, strikes next door to you. Help you understand? It is not possible for me to help you understand because you don't understand that there is a problem or don't want to accept such, one or the other

What, you don't think you could persuade somebody who uses the terms 'illegally' and 'plunder' in describing our actions in Iraq?:lol:

[Andy A.]

What, you don't think you could persuade somebody who uses the terms 'illegally' and 'plunder' in describing our actions in Iraq?:lol:
No I don't. But then they didn't say anything about the 17 ignored UN resolutions, the firing U.S at U.S. planes in the "no fire zone" nor the killing of thousands by Saddam so I guess that was alright. BTW, I was personally againsg going in when we did as I think the timing was wrong, but I am not for just pulling out willy nilly, either

[hnooe]

What, you don't think you could persuade somebody who uses the terms 'illegally' and 'plunder' in describing our actions in Iraq?:lol:

No just somebody or anybody, someone of "MY" persuasion--let' get it right!:D

[rancid]

BTW, I was personally againsg going in when we did as I think the timing was wrong, but I am not for just pulling out willy nilly, either

Why was the timing wrong? Should have been sooner? Later? I find the term willy nilly somewhat fuzzy. What are some factors that would justify a pullout ? Specifics please not regurgitated talking points.

[rancid]

Why was the timing wrong? Should have been sooner? Later? I find the term willy nilly somewhat fuzzy. What are some factors that would justify a pullout ? Specifics please not regurgitated talking points.


Your lack of response is answer enough.

[Andy A.]

I don't respond to opinions or questions which to me seem foolish. Yours fit that criteria.

[rancid]

I don't respond to opinions or questions which to me seem foolish. Yours fit that criteria.

As I suspected. Next time, think your comments through more carefully .
To have a meaningful and productive discussion, you need to have some insight and ideas to back your viewpoint. ;-)

[Furthur]

The best time would have been at the end of the first gulf war.
We should have demanded Saddam's head and not just his surrender.
Put him on trial for the crimes against humanity that he committed and taken down his whole evil,barbaric regime.

But G.H.W.Bush didn't have the support for that.
We hoped that the Iraqi People would finish the job themselves.
But we underestimated the power of Saddam's police state.
So tens of thousands of Kurds died instead.
And we spent 10 years and billions of dollars patrolling the no fly zone.
While Saddam plotted his revenge.

It is all fine and well to be a pacifist.
I applaud their honorable sentiments.
I wish the whole world thought like them.
Unfortunately that is not the case.
While we may have become fat, dumb and happy, our enemies haven't.

Lampooning McCain by misconstruing his positions wont convince anyone who realizes what is at stake.
It only points to a lack of historical understanding.

[Tootsie]

Lampooning McCain by misconstruing his positions wont convince anyone who realizes what is at stake.
It only points to a lack of historical understanding.

you are correct in all your statements further.

lampooning is not meant to convince anyone, imo. it may include a statement that some can relate to or agree with. but that is all it is. it also does not mean that people who relate to the statement are not aware of the historical events of Iraq. perhaps people have a totally different view on peace and war. or on how events were handled by our leaders. i.e., my perspective on "W"'s war is very different from others. I feel it has been a disaster, is illegal, unjust, and has cost america dearly in many, many ways. others feel differently. and that is the way it goes.

[Margarita]

I am voting for John McCain. I think that he is a man of courage, conviction and integrity and I agree with him on the issues that are most important to me. I also like the fact that he stands up for what he feels is right no matter what the political consequences are thus giving him the "maverick" label. I found this video to be very inspiring.

http://www.johnmccain.com/journeyfreedom/

[hnooe]

The only way he will get elected, unfortunately, is because the other two will tear each other apart until convention time--with no Obama folks supporting Hill, and no Hill folks supporting Obama.

It is on that very sad stage the McCain could possibly win..it is very pitiful if that is the sole reason why he wins. :cry:

[Tootsie]

The only way he will get elected, unfortunately, is because the other two will tear each other apart until convention time--with no Obama folks supporting Hill, and no Hill folks supporting Obama.

It is on that very sad stage the McCain could possibly win..it is very pitiful if that is the sole reason why he wins. :cry:

don't be so sure. some of us are willing to support either dem candidate.

[JeanLafitte]

don't be so sure. some of us are willing to support either dem candidate.

An enviable position.

[hnooe]

don't be so sure. some of us are willing to support either dem candidate.

Yes, I am one of them, and I will vote Dem., I am just saying other people may lose patience if this spirals downwards and therefore, lose interest in even voting...

[JeanLafitte]

Yes, I am one of them, and I will vote Dem., I am just saying other people may lose patience if this spirals downwards and therefore, lose interest in even voting...

Blind loyalty?

[Rita]

I am voting for John McCain. I think that he is a man of courage, conviction and integrity and I agree with him on the issues that are most important to me. I also like the fact that he stands up for what he feels is right no matter what the political consequences are thus giving him the "maverick" label. I found this video to be very inspiring.

http://www.johnmccain.com/journeyfreedom/

I find this admirable also as long as I can be assured he is also willing to listen to and seriously access other opinions/ideas. Eight years of of Bush doing what he "feels is right no matter what" has been a disaster imo! :angry:

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[hnooe]

Blind loyalty?

Monsieur! Why... you have insulted me! I challenge you to a duel at dawn!

[Tootsie]

I find this admirable also as long as I can be assured he is also willing to listen to and seriously access other opinions/ideas. Eight years of of Bush doing what he "feels is right no matter what" has been a disaster imo! :angry:

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amen sistah.

I haven't watched mccain closely in the last week or so. but there for a while he was seriously pandering to the far right, making me feel that from now on, he will be "owned". I hope I'm wrong here.

[sandybanks]

No I don't. But then they didn't say anything about the 17 ignored UN resolutions, the firing U.S at U.S. planes in the "no fire zone" nor the killing of thousands by Saddam so I guess that was alright. BTW, I was personally againsg going in when we did as I think the timing was wrong, but I am not for just pulling out willy nilly, either

Wow!:shock:

I guess some times you got to kill a million of them to save a thousand. I see by your signature that your mind is made up so let me say that it is great to talk to someone who already knows all the facts and has no need to further educate themselves with any new information.

I am sure you are sincere with your beliefs but I just wonder...? Does it really matter? I guess not.


http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/

[Andy A.]

Wow!:shock:

I guess some times you got to kill a million of them to save a thousand. I see by your signature that your mind is made up so let me say that it is great to talk to someone who already knows all the facts and has no need to further educate themselves with any new information.

I am sure you are sincere with your beliefs but I just wonder...? Does it really matter? I guess not.


http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/
Since my beliefs do not matter, it saves me the time and energy, of which I have little these days, of responding to your posts. Your website link says all I need to know about your opinion. Others may agree with you, I don't, and thats that. After 77 years on this planet and many years of education and experience, I am comfortable in my own skin. Are you?

[sandybanks]

Since my beliefs do not matter, it saves me the time and energy, of which I have little these days, of responding to your posts. Your website link says all I need to know about your opinion. Others may agree with you, I don't, and thats that. After 77 years on this planet and many years of education and experience, I am comfortable in my own skin. Are you?

Ouch!

That was a hard reception but I guess I had it coming. No need to read anything at your age, you already know everything.

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/cin_iwanttohelp.htm

[Tootsie]

Ouch!

That was a hard reception but I guess I had it coming. No need to read anything at your age, you already know everything.

:welcome:sandybanks.

good response! i likey. it is true the younger you are, the more you know on everything. the older you get, the more you realize that nothing is ever that simple or black and white - and that you really don't know sheeit. knowing this makes you the wise one. imo.

[sandybanks]

I don't respond to opinions or questions which to me seem foolish. Yours fit that criteria.

"He who knows the most mourns the deepest over the final truth." ~Lord Byron

[aleonard]

:welcome:sandybanks.

good response! i likey. it is true the younger you are, the more you know on everything. the older you get, the more you realize that nothing is ever that simple or black and white - and that you really don't know sheeit. knowing this makes you the wise one. imo.


Good post. I'd give you more rep but I'm all out already :biggrin: I think we like to talk about things in terms of black and white, or right and wrong, because they give us some type of edge to hold onto and make us feel more secure. I feel like my truth is the world is really full of a whole lot of gray, sometime swinging between the two sides. Maybe nothing is as simple as it seems because our views are clouded by the perceptions we hold that have been shaped by our life experiences, but I give all the rep to those who have lived a long life and learned life's lessons the hard way.:clap::wave: