Nader 2008 !!

[PeterFrohwein]

Nader 2008 ! This is his year! :D

[aleonard]

Nader 2008 ! This is his year! :D

For what??????:blink:

[wrobert]

Nader 2008 ! This is his year! :D


If Nader were on the ballot, would you participate in the process?

[elgordoboy]

You have either a black man or a white woman as Democratic candidates and that is plenty progressive. Nader is unnecessary, but it would be interesting to watch him waste his time and someone's money.

[PeterFrohwein]

For what??????:blink:

President of the United States.

[PeterFrohwein]

If Nader were on the ballot, would you participate in the process?

I do participate in the process.

[PeterFrohwein]

You have either a black man or a white woman as Democratic candidates and that is plenty progressive. Nader is unnecessary, but it would be interesting to watch him waste his time and someone's money.


What makes either having a white woman or a black man running for
president in anyway progressive? Why does color/race or gender matter anyway ? What makes Democrats progressive ? Progressive defined:
making progress. I have seen no real progress from either the Republicans or Democrats in many years, regardless of race or gender.

In recent years we have tried Bill Clinton (Democrat) that was a disaster. Then 8 years of George W (Republican), the net effect of his
administration has been like the whole country has been hit by a hurricane. Everything is a mess! And it will take years to clean up.

Nader has a long history of getting things done and making a real difference. I believe that Reagan was the last president to actually do some real good for this country and that was almost 20 years ago!

[Allifunn]

:popcorn::popcorn:

[PeterFrohwein]

:floor::popcorn::popcorn:

[hnooe]

Ralph Nader is as irrelevant as a Corvair. It is thanks to he and Katherine Harris that we have had to endure the last, painful, 8 years..go away Nader!!! Please!

[PeterFrohwein]

Ralph Nader is as irrelevant as a Corvair. It is thanks to he and Katherine Harris that we have had to endure the last, painful, 8 years..go away Nader!!! Please!

Nader being in the 2000 election was a good thing. Where the system failed us, was the legal system and the supreme court. When it/they gave the presidency to George W. Nader has spent his life helping others.
There is no greater calling than that.

[up4golf]

Nader being in the 2000 election was a good thing. Where the system failed us, was the legal system and the supreme court. When it/they gave the presidency to George W. Nader has spent his life helping others.
There is no greater calling than that.
ralph's votes gave us the boob, without those votes we would of had al bore (yes bore), shame on those who chose nader.

[elgordoboy]

What makes either having a white woman or a black man running for
president in anyway progressive? Why does color/race or gender matter anyway ? What makes Democrats progressive ? Progressive defined:
making progress. I have seen no real progress from either the Republicans or Democrats in many years, regardless of race or gender.

In recent years we have tried Bill Clinton (Democrat) that was a disaster. Then 8 years of George W (Republican), the net effect of his
administration has been like the whole country has been hit by a hurricane. Everything is a mess! And it will take years to clean up.

Nader has a long history of getting things done and making a real difference. I believe that Reagan was the last president to actually do some real good for this country and that was almost 20 years ago!
Nice definition on progressive. If I asked you to define making progress would you then state "progressive"? I didn't say Democrats were progressive I said having a black male and a woman candidate is progressive. Were it Republicans with the varied selection I would say the same of them. Somebody other than an old white guy being a serious contender for the presidency is a huge deal and very much making progress, if you cannot recognize that then debating with you would be a waste of time.

[PeterFrohwein]

Nice definition on progressive. If I asked you to define making progress would you then state "progressive"? I didn't say Democrats were progressive I said having a black male and a woman candidate is progressive. Were it Republicans with the varied selection I would say the same of them. Somebody other than an old white guy being a serious contender for the presidency is a huge deal and very much making progress, if you cannot recognize that then debating with you would be a waste of time.

The definition of progressive came from the Merriam-Webster online dictionary. I suggest that if you have a problem with the definition that you contact them. By your logic, any white woman or black man on the street would be perfect to be our next president ?? I think you are missing the point here, it is not the person that is important, it is their ideas! How do they think? Do they have strong ethics, morals and values ? Are they worthy to be leaders? Will they make a real difference ? Color, Race, Age, or Gender are non-issues. Choosing a leader based on these non-issues is not progressive nor is it wise.

Even if Nader does not have a realistic chance of winning, his being in the race brings issues and ideas into the spot light that absolutely need to be talked about.

[seagrovegirl]

The definition of progressive came from the Merriam-Webster online dictionary. I suggest that if you have a problem with the definition that you contact them. By your logic, any white woman or black man on the street would be perfect to be our next president ?? I think you are missing the point here, it is not the person that is important, it is their ideas! How do they think? Do they have strong ethics, morals and values ? Are they worthy to be leaders? Will they make a real difference ? Color, Race, Age, or Gender are non-issues. Choosing a leader based on these non-issues is not progressive nor is it wise.

Even if Nader does not have a realistic chance of winning, his being in the race brings issues and ideas into the spot light that absolutely need to be talked about.

Well said, PF:clap:

[PeterFrohwein]

Well said, PF:clap:

Thank you.

[kurt]

Even if Nader does not have a realistic chance of winning, his being in the race brings issues and ideas into the spot light that absolutely need to be talked about.

I agree and have always admired the man. He is in the race for similar reasons as Paul, because it gives them a voice during the campaign to speak about issues that are important to them and the country. People criticize Nader for taking votes away from Gore. In my opinion that is probably Gore's fault for not being a better candidate. But if Gore had won I doubt we would have invaded Iraq. If I were Nader that would weigh heavily on my conscience.

Being in the race also boosts the post-campaign recognition and efforts of Nader, Paul, and Huckabee. And any other candidate for that matter.

[Cil]

I respect Mr. Nader's many accomplishments, and the desire for more open dialogue.
But why does he enter the race right *now* rather than before?
Strictly because of Hillary Clinton?
I can't help but think there is some ego in there.
He could do enormous good in a presidential cabinet, but I don't see that he helps our country as much in the role he is playing now.
He talks about how people have the power, and we do, but that power needs to be put to focused, practical use.
Nader on Obama and Clinton (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyfSN7B4lYI)

[Mystified]

i see o'bama is pissed off that nadar will run for pres. oh, the heat is on. competition baby!!!! let the fun begin!

[elgordoboy]

The definition of progressive came from the Merriam-Webster online dictionary. I suggest that if you have a problem with the definition that you contact them. By your logic, any white woman or black man on the street would be perfect to be our next president ?? I think you are missing the point here, it is not the person that is important, it is their ideas! How do they think? Do they have strong ethics, morals and values ? Are they worthy to be leaders? Will they make a real difference ? Color, Race, Age, or Gender are non-issues. Choosing a leader based on these non-issues is not progressive nor is it wise.

Even if Nader does not have a realistic chance of winning, his being in the race brings issues and ideas into the spot light that absolutely need to be talked about.
Yes any white woman or black man off the street would be perfect for to be our next president maybe even a person that can't speak english. Go to merriams and look up logic you aren't using the word correctly. Straight from the Merriam-Webster online site:
Main Entry: 1pro·gres·sive http://www.merriam-webster.com/images/audio.gif (javascript:popWin('/cgi-bin/audio.pl?progre05.wav=progressive')) Pronunciation: \prə-ˈgre-siv\ Function: adjective Date: circa 1612
1 a: of, relating to, or characterized by progress (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/progress) b: making use of or interested in new ideas, findings, or opportunities c: of, relating to, or constituting an educational theory marked by emphasis on the individual child, informality of classroom procedure, and encouragement of self-expression
2: of, relating to, or characterized by progression (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/progression)
3: moving forward or onward : advancing (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/advancing)
4 a: increasing in extent or severity <a progressive disease> b: increasing in rate as the base increases <a progressive tax>
5often capitalized : of or relating to political Progressives
6: of, relating to, or constituting a verb form that expresses action or state in progress (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/progress) at the time of speaking or a time spoken of
7: of, relating to, or being a multifocal lens with a gradual transition between focal lengths<progressive bifocals>
Where is your definition?
Racial and gender equality are non issues?!?

[PeterFrohwein]

I agree and have always admired the man. He is in the race for similar reasons as Paul, because it gives them a voice during the campaign to speak about issues that are important to them and the country. People criticize Nader for taking votes away from Gore. In my opinion that is probably Gore's fault for not being a better candidate. But if Gore had won I doubt we would have invaded Iraq. If I were Nader that would weigh heavily on my conscience.

Being in the race also boosts the post-campaign recognition and efforts of Nader, Paul, and Huckabee. And any other candidate for that matter.

Nader is very clear on the issue of what happened in the 2000 race.
He believes that Gore won the race and I agree with him. The state of
Florida and the Supreme Court of the United States sided with George W.
I believe that was where the mistakes were made. The Supreme Court
Justices who voted on the side of George W. should be the ones losing sleep at night. Current Iraq Death toll Estimates:
135,000 + of which 4,279 are US Military and Coalition forces.

I also believe that those americans who did not vote in that election are
also responsable for the mess that we are in. If more people had taken the time to really get to know the canidates and actually voted, then that election could have been very different.

[wrobert]

I also believe that those americans who did not vote in that election are
also responsable for the mess that we are in. If more people had taken the time to really get to know the canidates and actually voted, then that election could have been very different.


There is the problem of those 537 votes. It does cause a bit of problem when you have to count each of them.

[Pumpkin-22]

Nader is running because none of the major candidates are addressing corporate crime, impeaching the war criminals Bush and Cheney, and a number of other things. God bless the troublemakers!

[PeterFrohwein]

:clap:Nader is running because none of the major candidates are addressing corporate crime, impeaching the war criminals Bush and Cheney, and a number of other things. God bless the troublemakers!

[Tootsie]

Even if Nader does not have a realistic chance of winning, his being in the race brings issues and ideas into the spot light that absolutely need to be talked about.

interesting thread here.

however lacking in charm he may be, I realize he has some important achievements and ideas - and he should have some role in helping our country. why the hail does he have to run for president in order to have himself heard? is this the only way to make a difference - to me he just makes himself more controversial in the process - making fewer of us even want to hear what he has to say.

peter - I disagree on you about your assessment of clinton being a disaster. those days were the good old days, especially if you compare them to these. just my opinion of course.:wave:

[Pumpkin-22]

The Oscars were on last night. Most of the categories, there are five nominees. Would be pretty boring if it was only two, no?

votenader.org

[scooterbug44]

I'd definitely be game for a field of 3-5 serious* candidates and getting rid of all the super delegates, electoral college nonsense etc.

One vote per person. Person with the most votes wins. ;-)




*A fringe candidate or one who has a limited appeal/base does not qualify IMO.

[aleonard]

The Oscars were on last night. Most of the categories, there are five nominees. Would be pretty boring if it was only two, no?

votenader.org

:popcorn:

[PeterFrohwein]

Yes any white woman or black man off the street would be perfect for to be our next president maybe even a person that can't speak english. Go to merriams and look up logic you aren't using the word correctly. Straight from the Merriam-Webster online site:
Main Entry: 1pro·gres·sive http://www.merriam-webster.com/images/audio.gif (http://javascript<b></b>:popWin('/cgi-bin/audio.pl?progre05.wav=progressive')) Pronunciation: \prə-ˈgre-siv\ Function: adjective Date: circa 1612
1 a: of, relating to, or characterized by progress (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/progress) b: making use of or interested in new ideas, findings, or opportunities c: of, relating to, or constituting an educational theory marked by emphasis on the individual child, informality of classroom procedure, and encouragement of self-expression
2: of, relating to, or characterized by progression (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/progression)
3: moving forward or onward : advancing (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/advancing)
4 a: increasing in extent or severity <a progressive disease> b: increasing in rate as the base increases <a progressive tax>
5often capitalized : of or relating to political Progressives
6: of, relating to, or constituting a verb form that expresses action or state in progress (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/progress) at the time of speaking or a time spoken of
7: of, relating to, or being a multifocal lens with a gradual transition between focal lengths<progressive bifocals>
Where is your definition?
Racial and gender equality are non issues?!?

Please look at def. #3
3: moving forward or onward : advancing
See advancing
intransitive verb
2: to make progress
or as I stated making progress.

(Is English your first language ?)
( I am also assuming you can use a dictionary??)

Again you missed the point.
Equality IS the issue. True equality has nothing to
do with: color, race, gender, or age. Equality means
Those non-issues are just that non-issues. They are
Things that you should not/must not use in picking a leader.

[futurebeachbum]

interesting thread here.

peter - I disagree on you about your assessment of clinton being a disaster. those days were the good old days, especially if you compare them to these. just my opinion of course.:wave:

Just remember, the really bad stuff that companies like Enron, Worldcom and others did happened in 1998-2000 and the SEC is part of the Executive Branch.

[Tootsie]

Just remember, the really bad stuff that companies like Enron, Worldcom and others did happened in 1998-2000 and the SEC is part of the Executive Branch.

this is true. but not good enough to match a "disasterous" administration such as current, in my opinion my dahling.. shall we count the ways?:wave:

[hnooe]

this is true. but not good enough to match a "disasterous" administration such as current, in my opinion my dahling.. shall we count the ways?:wave:

IMO2, Tootsie.

[PeterFrohwein]

Just remember, the really bad stuff that companies like Enron, Worldcom and others did happened in 1998-2000 and the SEC is part of the Executive Branch.

Thanks for the input. My use of the word disaster might be a little harsh.
I asked myself the question: Did Clinton leave the country and the world a better place by his work as President? Sadly, I think the answer is no.

[elgordoboy]

Thanks for the input. My use of the word disaster might be a little harsh.
I asked myself the question: Did Clinton leave the country and the world a better place by his work as President? Sadly, I think the answer is no.
So it seems you use disaster incorrectly as well but will admit that. Ah well. Nader may bring a needed point of view to the table but he is not a serious contender.

[Pumpkin-22]

A good article is posted at:

http://counterpunch.org

contrasting Nader with Obama's "hope" and Hillary's "same old s---"

Check out the Saturday Night Live box set, season 2, with RN's guest host appearance. Also, RN's birthday tomorrow.

[I Am Woman]

Nader 2008 ! This is his year! :D

Yeah, right. Surely you are jesting. Do not waste your vote just for the "fun" of disturbing what is going to be a mighty important election.

[Beemn]

Well Nader proves that no matter who he thinks He is, He is an agent for the Dark side! The evil ones will love to have the progressive vote split. That way they won't even have to tamper with voting machines or lock out minorities in long lines to win! So a Nader run will assist those totalitarian forces of the dark side to keep power, bleed the people, enrich themselves and their corporate friends, and continue to trash the constitution and our civil rights!

[30A Skunkape]

Well Nader proves that no matter who he thinks He is, He is an agent for the Dark side! The evil ones will love to have the progressive vote split. That way they won't even have to tamper with voting machines or lock out minorities in long lines to win! So a Nader run will assist those totalitarian forces of the dark side to keep power, bleed the people, enrich themselves and their corporate friends, and continue to trash the constitution and our civil rights!

When you reach voting age you will be a force to be reckoned with:lol:

[elgordoboy]

When you reach voting age you will be a force to be reckoned with:lol:
lol

[PeterFrohwein]

Well Nader proves that no matter who he thinks He is, He is an agent for the Dark side! The evil ones will love to have the progressive vote split. That way they won't even have to tamper with voting machines or lock out minorities in long lines to win! So a Nader run will assist those totalitarian forces of the dark side to keep power, bleed the people, enrich themselves and their corporate friends, and continue to trash the constitution and our civil rights!

Luke, I am you father. You are up way past your bed time!

[PeterFrohwein]

A good article is posted at:

http://counterpunch.org

contrasting Nader with Obama's "hope" and Hillary's "same old s---"

Check out the Saturday Night Live box set, season 2, with RN's guest host appearance. Also, RN's birthday tomorrow.


Thank you for the great article link. Wow! a voice of reason....sometimes hard to find these days.

PS: To all reading this Thread. This link is a must read. http://counterpunch.org/colby02262008.html

[aleonard]

Well Nader proves that no matter who he thinks He is, He is an agent for the Dark side! The evil ones will love to have the progressive vote split. That way they won't even have to tamper with voting machines or lock out minorities in long lines to win! So a Nader run will assist those totalitarian forces of the dark side to keep power, bleed the people, enrich themselves and their corporate friends, and continue to trash the constitution and our civil rights!

Truth you speak.
I agree 100% with this post.
This young one is strong with the force.
Thank you, Beemn.:clap:

[PeterFrohwein]

Truth you speak.
I agree 100% with this post.
This young one is strong with the force.
Thank you, Beemn.:clap:

3PO is that you ? I told you and Luke it was time for bed!

[wrobert]

or lock out minorities in long lines to win!


Minorities don't like to stand in line?

[wrobert]

lol

I thought it was understood that comments such of these were in bad form for this forum?

[elgordoboy]

I thought it was understood that comments such of these were in bad form for this forum?
lol

[aleonard]

lol

You're such a rebel:wub:

[Beemn]

Minorities don't like to stand in line?

5 or 6 hours? Only in democratic districts of course! Don't worry gop, even though you use the flag to prop up the evil of the bush empire, a change is coming. Nader may be the water boy for McCain, But McCain means more of the same! The revolution is coming, and Obama will be leading it!

[30A Skunkape]

5 or 6 hours? Only in democratic districts of course! Don't worry gop, even though you use the flag to prop up the evil of the bush empire, a change is coming. Nader may be the water boy for McCain, But McCain means more of the same! The revolution is coming, and Obama will be leading it!

You go, girl!

[Beemn]

You go, girl!

acting condescending and obnoxious has never made you right, oh smelly one!

[30A Skunkape]

acting condescending and obnoxious has never made you right, oh smelly one!

Defend our country...give Beemn a hard time:wave:

[wrobert]

5 or 6 hours? Only in democratic districts of course! Don't worry gop, even though you use the flag to prop up the evil of the bush empire, a change is coming. Nader may be the water boy for McCain, But McCain means more of the same! The revolution is coming, and Obama will be leading it!

Sheesh! You are more rabid about this stuff than Rapunzel. But just to make sure I understand this:

Are you saying that Obama is going to lead a revolution against the citizens of the United States of America?

[30A Skunkape]

Sheesh! You are more rabid about this stuff than Rapunzel. But just to make sure I understand this:

Are you saying that Obama is going to lead a revolution against the citizens of the United States of America?

Surely you jest in wanting to have discourse with Beemn, the brain that produced

AND wouldn't the world be a better place, if all the bigoted, pro torture, war loving goons just deep throated their smith and wessons!

or

The only agenda of the republicans is to fool the masses to vote for them on single issues so that they and friends can be way more wealthy when done!

or

It great to celebrate earth day! It is a shame that everyone doesn't recognize every day as earth day! How about a law. On earth day, republicans ( the anti earth party ) would be prohibited from enjoying any of it! Oh, and especially making speeches about it!

:lol:

[wrobert]

Surely you jest in wanting to have discourse with Beemn, the brain that produced

AND wouldn't the world be a better place, if all the bigoted, pro torture, war loving goons just deep throated their smith and wessons!

or

The only agenda of the republicans is to fool the masses to vote for them on single issues so that they and friends can be way more wealthy when done!

or

It great to celebrate earth day! It is a shame that everyone doesn't recognize every day as earth day! How about a law. On earth day, republicans ( the anti earth party ) would be prohibited from enjoying any of it! Oh, and especially making speeches about it!

:lol:

Thanks for the history lesson. The discussion would be fruitless. I am sure the squirrels stand at his/her window and await.

[hnooe]

Surely you jest in wanting to have discourse with Beemn, the brain that produced

AND wouldn't the world be a better place, if all the bigoted, pro torture, war loving goons just deep throated their smith and wessons!

or

The only agenda of the republicans is to fool the masses to vote for them on single issues so that they and friends can be way more wealthy when done!

or

It great to celebrate earth day! It is a shame that everyone doesn't recognize every day as earth day! How about a law. On earth day, republicans ( the anti earth party ) would be prohibited from enjoying any of it! Oh, and especially making speeches about it!

:lol:
__________________________________________________ __________
Actually,
I think Beemn has some very valid points to contribute here, maybe slightly overexaggerated on some points, but I applaud his freedom to speak his mind.

[30A Skunkape]

__________________________________________________ __________
Actually,
I think Beemn has some very valid points to contribute here, maybe slightly overexaggerated on some points, but I applaud his freedom to speak his mind.

slightly:lol:

[wrobert]

__________________________________________________ __________
Actually,
I think Beemn has some very valid points to contribute here, maybe slightly overexaggerated on some points, but I applaud his freedom to speak his mind.


Hey as long as he does not go crazy with a specialized license plate exhibiting opinions contrary to mine, I have no problem with it.

[up4golf]

ralph is looking for people to fund is every forth year tour of the states, a chance to stay in hotels and eat out on someone else's dime. hopefully he will travel in corvairs and pintos.

[Furthur]

Run Ralph Run !!!

[hnooe]

ralph is looking for people to fund is every forth year tour of the states, a chance to stay in hotels and eat out on someone else's dime. hopefully he will travel in corvairs and pintos.

His overblown ego has left no room for any ounces of sincerity he may have left.