Senator Obama's Negative Mail Falsely Attacks Hillary

[wrobert]

Tsk, tsk! I wonder why it is that we all can't just get along.


1/29/2008 9:58:09 PM
This morning on NBC Today, Sen. Obama claimed that "throughout this campaign, the tone that I’ve set has been a positive one." But just today, we came across the latest example of Sen. Obama attacking Hillary (http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/attacktimeline.com): a direct mail piece Sen. Obama released in North Dakota that’s full of misleading, negative attacks on Hillary.
One: the Obama campaign mail piece alleged that Hillary was a strong supporter of NAFTA:
http://static.hillaryclinton.com/i/blog/photos/200801292730.jpg

http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=5583

[30A Skunkape]

Time out! I thought much of the 'experience' Hillary talks about has to do with her osmotically absorbing it while her hubby was President. Am I right or wrong in remembering that Bill was all about NAFTA...I remember watching Gore and Perot debating it on Larry King. I guess it is nice to tout experience on issues that one never needed to take a stand on.

[wrobert]

Time out! I thought much of the 'experience' Hillary talks about has to do with her osmotically absorbing it while her hubby was President. Am I right or wrong in remembering that Bill was all about NAFTA...I remember watching Gore and Perot debating it on Larry King. I guess it is nice to tout experience on issues that one never needed to take a stand on.


I thought she was for NAFTA. And from what I am reading Senator Obama is for NAFTA. So it is appearing that just about all of them are for NAFTA. This being the case, how is this a campaign issue?

[rapunzel]

I don't think that's even mail from his campaign. It's not in the approved fonts for his mailing materials, and the colors are off. The campaign's really picky about the fonts...I had to load them on to my computer to print up labels for the door hangers.

WGOP, did you see this anywhere other than her website?

[wrobert]

I don't think that's even mail from his campaign. It's not in the approved fonts for his mailing materials, and the colors are off. The campaign's really picky about the fonts...I had to load them on to my computer to print up labels for the door hangers.

WGOP, did you see this anywhere other than her website?

No. I did not try to cross reference it though there were several mentions of it on other sites when I googled it. But they all could have come from her site.

But she is a Senator, so I have my doubts that she would put something that is blatantly false on the web for all to see. What would that do to her credibility?

[rapunzel]

No. I did not try to cross reference it though there were several mentions of it on other sites when I googled it. But they all could have come from her site.

But she is a Senator, so I have my doubts that she would put something that is blatantly false on the web for all to see. What would that do to her credibility?

It could be a 527 or some other outside group. In South Carolina, there was a mailing that was blatantly sexist attacking Hillary created to give the impression it was from Sen. Obama. Of course, it wasn't -- but the campaign was never able to figure out who sent them.

The NY chapter of NOW sent mailers implying Sen. Obama is pro-life to pro-choice women in New Hampshire the day before the primary, so it's hard to believe she could hold him responsible for some union mailing when she denied responsibility for misleading voters in NH.

[BIGDOG]

I don't think that's even mail from his campaign. It's not in the approved fonts for his mailing materials, and the colors are off. The campaign's really picky about the fonts...I had to load them on to my computer to print up labels for the door hangers.

WGOP, did you see this anywhere other than her website?

Nothing potentially negative that comes from the Obama campaign is "officially" from the Obama campaign. Don't you know that?

Just like Maria Isabel, of the Che Guevara flag scandal. She's been identified on Obama's site as an official volunteer with her own blog for months and the press has been directed to her by Obama's PR people as an official spokesperson in Houston. Now they're distancing themselves. Saying it doesn't mean that Obama had anything to do with the flag in the Houston office that Isabel runs and, in fact, Isabel is not a "sanctioned" volunteer. Now Isabel "officially" has "nothing to do with the campaign", but as of yesterday, she was still listed as an official precinct volunteer on the Obama website. Interesting.


http://www.aina.org/images/cheobama1.jpg (http://www.myfoxhouston.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=5700252&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1)
http://gaysocialites.com/photos/ObamaChescandal.jpg

[30A Skunkape]

No. I did not try to cross reference it though there were several mentions of it on other sites when I googled it. But they all could have come from her site.

But she is a Senator, so I have my doubts that she would put something that is blatantly false on the web for all to see. What would that do to her credibility?

Repeat slowly after me;her last name is C-L-I-N-T-O-N and the name of the game is win at all costs. Clintons don't tend to shy away from whoppers, and that is a fact(and you know what the meaning of 'is' is).

[30A Skunkape]

Nothing potentially negative that comes from the Obama campaign is "officially" from the Obama campaign. Don't you know that?

Just like Maria Isabel, of the Che Guevara flag scandal. She's been identified on Obama's site as an official volunteer with her own blog for months and the press has been directed to her by Obama's PR people as an official spokesperson in Houston. Now they're distancing themselves. Saying it doesn't mean that Obama had anything to do with the flag in the Houston office that Isabel runs and, in fact, Isabel is not a "sanctioned" volunteer. Now Isabel "officially" has "nothing to do with the campaign", but as of yesterday, she was still listed as an official precinct volunteer on the Obama website. Interesting.

http://www.aina.org/images/cheobama1.jpg (http://www.myfoxhouston.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=5700252&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1)
http://gaysocialites.com/photos/ObamaChescandal.jpg


Maybe he likes Cuban cigars?:idontno: Oh no, not cigars again!:leaving:

[Miss Kitty]

Maybe he likes Cuban cigars?:idontno: Oh no, not cigars again!:leaving:

:floor: Oh sheet! You are a problem child!

[Beach Runner]

Maybe he likes Cuban cigars?:idontno: Oh no, not cigars again!:leaving:
That's so funny! Yes, the Clintons do have their peccadillos.;-)

[Tootsie]

That's so funny! Yes, the Clintons do have their peccadillos.;-)

it sounds like people are desparately digging for dirt on obama. I have a feeling he's a pretty clean guy. they are going to have to pull something out their asses and try to sell it to the public.

[Beach Runner]

it sounds like people are desparately digging for dirt on obama. I have a feeling he's a pretty clean guy. they are going to have to pull something out their asses and try to sell it to the public.
Yeah, politics can certainly get nasty. Who doesn't have something in the closet that someone can drag out and use against him/her? I think that's perhaps why some people who might be more qualified don't get into the political arena. They don't want themselves and their families being dragged through the dirt.

Obama does seem like a pretty clean guy. Yes, he did experiment with drugs in his youth. Whenever I say that any baby boomer who never tried at least marijuana is abnormal, in this conservative town I get looks of total shock. People swear they never did. Bullsheet. Or they're abnormal.

[Tootsie]

Yeah, politics can certainly get nasty. Who doesn't have something in the closet that someone can drag out and use against him/her? I think that's perhaps why some people who might be more qualified don't get into the political arena. They don't want themselves and their families being dragged through the dirt.

Obama does seem like a pretty clean guy. Yes, he did experiment with drugs in his youth. Whenever I say that any baby boomer who never tried at least marijuana is abnormal, in this conservative town I get looks of total shock. People swear they never did. Bullsheet. Or they're abnormal.


or they just missed out. :funn:

[Miss Kitty]

Yeah, politics can certainly get nasty. Who doesn't have something in the closet that someone can drag out and use against him/her? I think that's perhaps why some people who might be more qualified don't get into the political arena. They don't want themselves and their families being dragged through the dirt.

Obama does seem like a pretty clean guy. Yes, he did experiment with drugs in his youth. Whenever I say that any baby boomer who never tried at least marijuana is abnormal, in this conservative town I get looks of total shock. People swear they never did. Bullsheet. Or they're abnormal.

I didn't. Too busy drinking and smoking Swisher Sweets. :wave:

Oh...and yes, I am abnormal. :biggrin:

[Tootsie]

I didn't. Too busy drinking and smoking Swisher Sweets. :wave:

Oh...and yes, I am abnormal. :biggrin:

it's never too late.:lol:

[Beach Runner]

Oh...and yes, I am abnormal. :biggrin:
True.dat. That's why we adore you.:wub:

But I don't believe you. ;-)

Sorry I got us off thread. :blush:

[rapunzel]

True.dat. That's why we adore you.:wub:

But I don't believe you. ;-)

Sorry I got us off thread. :blush:

PLEASE! Don't apologize...this thread needed to be gotten off....

P.S. I'm an official volunteer with a name badge and my own blog on his website. It was really super hard to get that blog. I had to type in my name and everything. The name tag was more difficult, I had to promise the Secret Service I wasn't crazy. So many of you would never be badge worthy.

[Beach Runner]

PLEASE! Don't apologize...this thread needed to be gotten off....

P.S. I'm an official volunteer with a name badge and my own blog on his website. It was really super hard to get that blog. I had to type in my name and everything. The name tag was more difficult, I had to promise the Secret Service I wasn't crazy. So many of you would never be badge worthy.
:floor:

[Miss Kitty]

True.dat. That's why we adore you.:wub:

But I don't believe you. ;-)

Sorry I got us off thread. :blush:

Shows how much a PhD is worth! :biggrin: :wave:

[rapunzel]

Miss Kitty -- did you get one of these for Mr. Kitty's car yet?

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/8420/utobamaaw3.jpg

[Miss Kitty]

Miss Kitty -- did you get one of these for Mr. Kitty's car yet?

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/8420/utobamaaw3.jpg

:floor:...you so funny. bring him one when you get here.

[Beach Runner]

Shows how much a PhD is worth! :biggrin: :wave:
:lol:

OOPS! Sorry Punzy. I will avoid replying to this to move it to the bottom. Any replies will be posted in the "Random Thoughts" thread. K?

[Tootsie]

PLEASE! Don't apologize...this thread needed to be gotten off....

P.S. I'm an official volunteer with a name badge and my own blog on his website. It was really super hard to get that blog. I had to type in my name and everything. The name tag was more difficult, I had to promise the Secret Service I wasn't crazy. So many of you would never be badge worthy.

what is the link to your blog?

[rapunzel]

:lol:

OOPS! Sorry Punzy. I will avoid replying to this to move it to the bottom. Any replies will be posted in the "Random Thoughts" thread. K?

Oh, I don't think it matters. I mean, the thread starter has already been outed as a flaming Hillary supporter....remember?

[rapunzel]

what is the link to your blog?

You get there from the SoWal for Obama page.

[Miss Kitty]

Oh, I don't think it matters. I mean, the thread starter has already been outed as a flaming Hillary supporter....remember?

She called me a pot smoker!!! :shock: I like your blog! :wave:

[aleonard]

She called me a pot smoker!!! :shock: I like your blog! :wave:


I figured you for the catnip type:biggrin:

[Miss Kitty]

I figured you for the catnip type:biggrin:

:lolabove:...I do like a nip, now and again!

[rapunzel]

She called me a pot smoker!!! :shock: I like your blog! :wave:

As long as she doesn't post pictures of your bong, it's cool.

You've seen my blog? You've joined? Miss Kitty for Obama? It can't possibly be true.

[Miss Kitty]

As long as she doesn't post pictures of your bong, it's cool.

You've seen my blog? You've joined? Miss Kitty for Obama? It can't possibly be true.

Simmer down. I have read your blog. :wave: March 4.

[rapunzel]

Simmer down. I have read your blog. :wave: March 4.

Either you are totally teasing me, or the hat thing really does it for Texan women....

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1412/obamahathq2.jpg

[Beach Runner]

She called me a pot smoker!!! :shock:
You are too funny!

Takin' it back to the top.;-)

I figured you for the catnip type:biggrin:
Even funnier. I've never tried that.:biggrin:

[hnooe]

Either you are totally teasing me, or the hat thing really does it for Texan women....

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1412/obamahathq2.jpg
I think black men in cowboy hats are HOT!

[Tootsie]

Either you are totally teasing me, or the hat thing really does it for Texan women....

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1412/obamahathq2.jpg

I think I might faint too...:yikes::wub:

[BIGDOG]

Hm. Reminds me of another naive and arrogant guy in a cowboy hat.
http://www.alpinesurvival.com/bush_cowboy-hat.jpg

:rofl::lolabove:

[Tootsie]

Hm. Reminds me of another naive and arrogant guy in a cowboy hat.
http://www.alpinesurvival.com/bush_cowboy-hat.jpg

:rofl::lolabove:

uh. not quite. not even close. this makes me :yawn:and:puke:and:leaving:...

[HYDROSTAN]

I don't think that's even mail from his campaign. It's not in the approved fonts for his mailing materials, and the colors are off. The campaign's really picky about the fonts...I had to load them on to my computer to print up labels for the door hangers.

WGOP, did you see this anywhere other than her website?
Are all canidates using subliminal fonts this year? :D

[kurt]

Hm. Reminds me of another naive and arrogant guy in a cowboy hat.
http://www.alpinesurvival.com/bush_cowboy-hat.jpg

:rofl::lolabove:

Never judge a man by the size of his HAT.

[John R]

What would that do to her credibility?

the funniest line of this thread. :floor:

[TooFarTampa]

Simmer down. I have read your blog. :wave: March 4.

I read your blog like two weeks ago. I forgot to tell you. I was googling SoWal because I couldn't get into the bulletin board AGAIN :bang: and I got lost, wandering around looking at the random SoWal references. SoWal for Obama came up on like the third page or something. :cool:

P.S. Nice blog. :wave:

[Dune-AHH]

Either you are totally teasing me, or the hat thing really does it for Texan women....

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1412/obamahathq2.jpg

MMM... he looks pretty tasty in that hat.

[Dune-AHH]

Hm. Reminds me of another naive and arrogant guy in a cowboy hat.
http://www.alpinesurvival.com/bush_cowboy-hat.jpg

:rofl::lolabove:

And he does NOT look tasty in that hat.

[Beach Runner]

And he does NOT look tasty in that hat.
I think GW is adorable.

[Tootsie]

I think GW is adorable.

:yikes:

you and my mother.:roll:

[Tootsie]

http://www.allhatnocattle.net/hillary_all_hat_no_cattle.jpg

[steeleing1]

I think GW is adorable.


That is just gross.

[wrobert]

Are all canidates using subliminal fonts this year? :D


This is actually pretty cool to think that someone has thought of it to that level. Someone is a bit retentive but it sure makes identifying what is yours versus something bogus a lot easier, until the font gets out.

[John R]

This is actually pretty cool to think that someone has thought of it to that level. Someone is a bit retentive but it sure makes identifying what is yours versus something bogus a lot easier, until the font gets out.

any marketing campaign will have a standard font and pms colors. and a byproduct is seeing when people post bogus facts/links/sources.

[wrobert]

any marketing campaign will have a standard font and pms colors. and a byproduct is seeing when people post bogus facts/links/sources.

True, but I have worked quite a bit on the GW and CC campaigns in the past, and we were never given any guidelines for fonts and such when we went to get materials printed, or ads placed.

[John R]

True, but I have worked quite a bit on the GW and CC campaigns in the past, and we were never given any guidelines for fonts and such when we went to get materials printed, or ads placed.

exactly my point, and yours, i suppose.

[hnooe]

That's so funny! Yes, the Clintons do have their peccadillos.;-)

I doubt it. It is against the law to have them as domesticated pets, even for the Clintons, OK!

[hnooe]

Hm. Reminds me of another naive and arrogant guy in a cowboy hat.
http://www.alpinesurvival.com/bush_cowboy-hat.jpg

:rofl::lolabove:

Dan Quayle in cowboy boots, a fake swagger, and a stupid, constant condescending grin--the worst US President in History, worse than Jimmy Carter.

[wrobert]

Dan Quayle in cowboy boots, a fake swagger, and a stupid, constant condescending grin--the worst US President in History, worse than Jimmy Carter.


I guess I have a different memory of that time.

[Tootsie]

Carter was, at least, a decent and honest man. also, he inherited a government left in shambles and a public and media more than dismayed by american govt and politics. he may not have been suitable for the presidency... but he was very hard working and a man of real integrity.

I would never ever think of comparing him to Bush, who has done nothing but damage our country, and will do nothing in his post-presidency to improve human rights conditions or any other worthwhile use of his influence, for anyone, much less worldwide, as Carter has done.

I suggest people go back and read up on former presidents they really know nothing about. admittedly i was not a big fan of his back in the day either - I thought his image was all wrong (I was quite young) and even an embarrassment in the way he looked and spoke (accent). I didn't even consider his policies - just the image he projected - his gentle manner came across as weak to me... I know better now. imo, that was nothing compared to Bush - the dumbest man to ever step foot in the oval office. and of course I thought this before his presidency, based on his "image" and failure to articulate, but then he proved it with eveyr action, in spades.

please do not compare these men! neither was truly qualified for the office. but one was truly decent.

excerpt / american president
Jimmy Carter’s one-term presidency is remembered for the events that overwhelmed it -— inflation, energy crisis, war in Afghanistan, and hostages in Iran. After one term in office, voters strongly rejected Jimmy Carter’s honest but gloomy outlook in favor of Ronald Reagan’s telegenic optimism. In the past two decades, however, there has been wider recognition that Carter, despite a lack of experience, confronted several huge problems with steadiness, courage, and idealism. Along with his predecessor Gerald Ford, Carter must be given credit for restoring the balance to the constitutional system after the excesses of the Johnson and Nixon "imperial presidency."

Jimmy Carter is much more highly regarded today than when he lost his bid for reelection in 1980. He has produced an exemplary post-presidency, and today there is an increased appreciation for the enormity of the task he took on in 1977, if not for the measures he took to deal with the crises that he faced. Carter took office just thirty months after a President had left the entire federal government in a shambles. He faced epic challenges -- the energy crisis, Soviet aggression, Iran, and above all, a deep mistrust of leadership by his citizens. He was hard working and conscientious. But he often seemed like a player out of position, a man more suited to be secretary of energy than president. Carter became President by narrowly defeating an uninspiring, unelected chief executive heir to the worst presidential scandal in history. The nomination was his largely because in the decade before 1976, Democratic leadership in the nation had been decimated by scandal, Vietnam, and an assassination.

Jimmy Carter was the second death knell for the old liberal politics of the 1960s. The first had been the Democratic candidate preceding him, George McGovern. Carter was successful largely because he was one of the first to discern the public's overall disaffection with liberalism that endures to this day. At every turn he sought to portray himself as a new type of Democrat.

As President, Carter revived a long-dormant practice of presidential mediation in disputes between other nations, something every succeeding chief executive has emulated to varying degrees. His insistence on American leadership in the protection of human rights around the world helped to subvert the power of communist and other dictatorial regimes, and eventually led to the human rights initiatives of the 1980s and 1990s. His stubborn independence, a great asset while climbing to the presidency, was in many ways his downfall once he attained the office. His refusal to engage in a give and take with Congress; the ill-conceived boycott of the Olympic Games; his inability to use force effectively to resolve the crisis in Iran; his inability to build coalitions and to be flexible in dealings with friends and foes. These varied characteristics combined to brand him as ineffectual.

There was always, it seemed, something unlucky about him: massive public disaffection with government, the fires of crisis breaking out at home and abroad, the hostile post-Watergate press, and, by the end of his term, a challenge by a smooth, consummately telegenic challenger with an engaging new conservative message.

http://millercenter.virginia.edu/academic/americanpresident/carter/essays/biography/print

[BIGDOG]

Carter was, at least, a decent and honest man.,

You're certainly welcome to your opinion, but you're obviously not a Jew, Tibetan, Cherokee or a terrorist victim. Obviously, if you were, you would feel very differently.

[Tootsie]

You're certainly welcome to your opinion, but you're obviously not a Jew, Tibetan, Cherokee or a terrorist victim. Obviously, if you were, you would feel very differently.

you are also welcome to your opinion, which is obviously based on limited snippets of media spin and incomplete knowledge (the media was not carter's friend by any means). but, this is a highly common thinking pattern among so many americans, unfortunately.

I didn't say the man was perfect by any means, btw. I believe he has had misteps, along with his humanitarian efforts, and some of his old fashioned southern baptist/bible-based ingrained belief system has not served him well in some of his words and actions - political correctness was never one of his greater strengths. overall, he has tried to do much work to save lives, bring peace and improve human rights conditions to many throughout the world, and he has succeeded greatly. you can deny this all you want, but you cannot change the fact. it is a matter of record and is only now being realized fully in writings on his achievements.

[wrobert]

you are also welcome to your opinion, which is obviously based on limited snippets of media spin and incomplete knowledge (the media was not carter's friend by any means). but, this is a highly common thinking pattern among so many americans, unfortunately.


Why do you feel your opinion is better than anyone else's? How do you know how the opinion was arrived? Inquiring minds want to know. I based mine on what I remember happening at the time. The super high interest rates, runaway inflation, and what I consider an embarassment, the hostage crisis. Now my grandfather loved Carter. The only time he has ever been able to earn over 12% on a bank CD.

[Tootsie]

Why do you feel your opinion is better than anyone else's? How do you know how the opinion was arrived? Inquiring minds want to know. I based mine on what I remember happening at the time. The super high interest rates, runaway inflation, and what I consider an embarassment, the hostage crisis. Now my grandfather loved Carter. The only time he has ever been able to earn over 12% on a bank CD.

my opinion isn't better. but, since I was too young at the time, I have taken a lot of time to read up on his administration, before, during and after, because its a fascinating time. and I find him an interesting man, complex, and quite an influence beyond our country. even a leader beyond the presidency - whether you like his work or not. as I said, I didn't like him then. but the more I've read - good/bad/ugly - the more I understand what happened during his presidency, and the more I've noticed that most people really don't know anything about it, except that "he was the worst president ever".... its not that simple. not by far.

actually, its a long long story. an education that went far beyond the universities I attended, and the professional education work I enjoyed. I'm so grateful for having moved from an entire community of southern/conservative thinking to a place where I could really learn, grow and see the world, beyond the south, beyond the US, with clarity. I'm thankful for our great country - and the choices we have here. I'm sure many of you have experienced such in your young life.

but I should say, its all my own personal experience and only my personal view.

[elgordoboy]

Why do you feel your opinion is better than anyone else's? How do you know how the opinion was arrived? Inquiring minds want to know. I based mine on what I remember happening at the time. The super high interest rates, runaway inflation, and what I consider an embarassment, the hostage crisis. Now my grandfather loved Carter. The only time he has ever been able to earn over 12% on a bank CD.
It is stuff like this where you confuse me. Is that "anyone else's" as in "everyone else's" or are you suggesting that any one opinion is equal to any and every other opinion?

[hnooe]

Why do you feel your opinion is better than anyone else's? How do you know how the opinion was arrived? Inquiring minds want to know. I based mine on what I remember happening at the time. The super high interest rates, runaway inflation, and what I consider an embarassment, the hostage crisis. Now my grandfather loved Carter. The only time he has ever been able to earn over 12% on a bank CD.


In terms of pure remembrance, sounds more personally "nostalgic" than anything else. "Worseness" is totally in the eye of the beholder...I can remember the last 8 years as clearly as the Carter 4 years, and among other things, there was total ineptitude with managing the federl govt. in regard to (what "I" consider an embarrassment) Hurricane Katrina and its aftermath--where we lost not a just couple of high rises, but a major city to the Bush's weakening of ther federal govt. agencies; a war that was founded and fought unjustly and managed horribly as proclaimed by the leading GOP contender; a Cabinent and a fear mongering high level advisor and V.P that ignored the Constitution for their own personal gain and their party's gains; an administration that attempted to fix the Social Security System in as lame a fashion as Hillary Clinton trying to fix Healthcare, the price of gas getting "out of reach" even compared to 1979 prices adjusted for inflation,,,,,,yes, those are my personal memories.

I miss John Kennedy, and heck, I even miss 'ol Ronald Reagan to a degree. Bush helped tremendously in the fight against AIDS in Africa--and did a magnificent job--but that is all I remember that he did!

[Gypsea]

Yeah, politics can certainly get nasty. Who doesn't have something in the closet that someone can drag out and use against him/her? I think that's perhaps why some people who might be more qualified don't get into the political arena. They don't want themselves and their families being dragged through the dirt.

Obama does seem like a pretty clean guy. Yes, he did experiment with drugs in his youth. Whenever I say that any baby boomer who never tried at least marijuana is abnormal, in this conservative town I get looks of total shock. People swear they never did. Bullsheet. Or they're abnormal.

Do you truly believe that? Wow!

[Tootsie]

good points hnoo.

I believe Bush's legacy will be the worst on record because he walked into a stable economy and well-managed government. I still don't understand how he managed a second term but he did and ended up with the lowest approval rating in history for a second term president. that about sums it up. we'll be dealing with his mess for a very long time.

what did he say in his state of the economy address last week? I have still not seen this. someone told me that it was painful to watch because of his absolute inability to articulate. :roll: good god.

I hope education becomes the number one issue in this country when obama is elected. because without an educated public ("every child having the opportunity for a world class education from birth to college") we will never be able to elect effective leaders to lift us out of ignorance, poverty, environmental and economic doom, and peace will never have a chance.

[wrobert]

It is stuff like this where you confuse me. Is that "anyone else's" as in "everyone else's" or are you suggesting that any one opinion is equal to any and every other opinion?


Sorry I think faster than I type and sometimes forget to go back and reread the post. But I am suggesting that opinions are equal. They are the cumulation of knowledge of the poster. As other opinions and knowledge is presented, opinions change to express the new found knowledge. At least I would think that is how it should work. In politics we call that flip-flopping though, because if you want to go into politics you are suppose to already know the answer the everything.

[wrobert]

Obama does seem like a pretty clean guy. Yes, he did experiment with drugs in his youth. Whenever I say that any baby boomer who never tried at least marijuana is abnormal, in this conservative town I get looks of total shock. People swear they never did. Bullsheet. Or they're abnormal.

Do you truly believe that? Wow!

I always thought I was abnormal. Glad to see that I have finally located a definitive answer. I wonder if this is a correctable abnormality.

[elgordoboy]

I always thought I was abnormal. Glad to see that I have finally located a definitive answer. I wonder if this is a correctable abnormality.
Roll a pinner (thin marijuana cigarette in AWM speak) and fire it up.:cool: It is easily correctable.

[BIGDOG]

I always thought I was abnormal. Glad to see that I have finally located a definitive answer. I wonder if this is a correctable abnormality.

You're not normal. You're superior. And you're not alone.
Though you won't hear about Baby Boomers like you in the MSM.

[BIGDOG]

you are also welcome to your opinion, which is obviously based on limited snippets of media spin and incomplete knowledge (the media was not carter's friend by any means). but, this is a highly common thinking pattern among so many americans, unfortunately.

I didn't say the man was perfect by any means, btw. I believe he has had misteps, along with his humanitarian efforts, and some of his old fashioned southern baptist/bible-based ingrained belief system has not served him well in some of his words and actions - political correctness was never one of his greater strengths. overall, he has tried to do much work to save lives, bring peace and improve human rights conditions to many throughout the world, and he has succeeded greatly. you can deny this all you want, but you cannot change the fact. it is a matter of record and is only now being realized fully in writings on his achievements.

LOL. You seem to know alot about me. Just not much about politics.

[elgordoboy]

[quote=WaltonGOP;362314]

You're not normal. You're superior. And you're not alone.
Though you won't hear about Baby Boomers like you in the MSM.
Creepy

[Tootsie]

Roll a pinner (thin marijuana cigarette in AWM speak) and fire it up.:cool: It is easily correctable.
:rolling:or how 'bout a big fat fattie instead?

LOL. You seem to know alot about me. Just not much about politics.

I know nothing about you, but know a few people (just a few) who could be your twin. they are really nice people once you get to know them.

[quote=BIGDOG;362353]
Creepy

yes.

is waltongop also BIGDOG? hmmm..

[Beach Runner]

Do you truly believe that? Wow!
Based on my experiences, the people with whom I've discussed this, and being alive in the 60's and 70's, yes.

Actually when I was at Tulane, the administration virtually legalized marijuana on campus. The Greenie cops wouldn't allow NOLA police on campus, and when they saw (or smelled) someone engaging in that activity, they'd look the other way. There was actually a math professor who would sit out on the quad between classes and smoke with his students. I wasn't into that scene as I'm the type who doesn't like getting into trouble. But I have tried it.
Roll a pinner (thin marijuana cigarette in AWM speak) and fire it up.:cool: It is easily correctable.
:lol:

[hnooe]

Based on my experiences, the people with whom I've discussed this, and being alive in the 60's and 70's, yes.

Actually when I was at Tulane, the administration virtually legalized marijuana on campus. The Greenie cops wouldn't allow NOLA police on campus, and when they saw (or smelled) someone engaging in that activity, they'd look the other way. There was actually a math professor who would sit out on the quad between classes and smoke with his students. I wasn't into that scene as I'm the type who doesn't like getting into trouble. But I have tried it.

:lol:

Same here. I went to UNC Chapel Hill in the seventies, campus police also looked the other way at any large outdoor gathering, concert, etc. It was also around the same time that a fairly unknown N.C. Senator named Jesse Helms, suggested a brick wall be built around the entire UNC campus to "keep in" all the degenerate behavior (not me, of course !) and the Liberals.

[Beach Runner]

Same here. I went to UNC Chapel Hill in the seventies, campus police also looked the other way at any large outdoor gathering, concert, etc. It was also around the same time that a fairly unknown N.C. Senator named Jesse Helms, suggested a brick wall be built around the entire UNC campus to "keep in" all the degenerate behavior (not me, of course !) and the Liberals.
Sounds like something Helms would say.:lol:

[Gypsea]

Based on my experiences, the people with whom I've discussed this, and being alive in the 60's and 70's, yes.

Actually when I was at Tulane, the administration virtually legalized marijuana on campus. The Greenie cops wouldn't allow NOLA police on campus, and when they saw (or smelled) someone engaging in that activity, they'd look the other way. There was actually a math professor who would sit out on the quad between classes and smoke with his students. I wasn't into that scene as I'm the type who doesn't like getting into trouble. But I have tried it.

:lol:

I was at University of Maryland in the 70's. It certainly was around and I was asked many times but it was still a choice. I guess you can count me in as one of the true rebels of the 70's along with a few others on this board (the ones choosing not to smoke it). Personally I never liked the smell.

[Miss Kitty]

I was at University of Maryland in the 70's. It certainly was around and I was asked many times but it was still a choice. I guess you can count me in as one of the true rebels of the 70's along with a few others on this board (the ones choosing not to smoke it). Personally I never liked the smell.

:wave:

[Beach Runner]

IMO anyone who was in high school and/or college back in the days of "Sex, Drugs, and Rock-and-Roll" and who didn't smoke a reefer at least once, didn't drink until s/he was of legal age, and didn't have sex until s/he was at least engaged should be nominated for sainthood. :lol: And if s/he saved "it" for marriage, well, all I can say is, :yikes:.

[Mango]

I got a contact high just smelling it. Does that count? :wave:

[Miss Kitty]

IMO anyone who was in high school and/or college back in the days of "Sex, Drugs, and Rock-and-Roll" and who didn't smoke a reefer at least once, didn't drink until s/he was of legal age, and didn't have sex until s/he was at least engaged should be nominated for sainthood. :lol: And if s/he saved "it" for marriage, well, all I can say is, :yikes:.

Stop changing the rules.

[Beach Runner]

Stop changing the rules.
You didn't understand. IMO to be a saint (you know I'm just joking here) you have to jump through all three hoops. Never having inhaled just makes you abnormal in the context of the late 60's/early-to-mid 70's IMO.;-)

I just wonder when you turned into the wild woman whom so many of us love and adore.:wub: But maybe further comments on this subject (if any) should move to the "Random Thoughts" thread.

[Gypsea]

IMO anyone who was in high school and/or college back in the days of "Sex, Drugs, and Rock-and-Roll" and who didn't smoke a reefer at least once, didn't drink until s/he was of legal age, and didn't have sex until s/he was at least engaged should be nominated for sainthood. :lol: And if s/he saved "it" for marriage, well, all I can say is, :yikes:.

BR, I accomplished 2 of the 3. Where does that leave me? Miss Kitty, how about you?

[Tootsie]

You didn't understand. IMO to be a saint (you know I'm just joking here) you have to jump through all three hoops. Never having inhaled just makes you abnormal in the context of the late 60's/early-to-mid 70's IMO.;-)

I just wonder when you turned into the wild woman whom so many of us love and adore.:wub: But maybe further comments on this subject (if any) should move to the "Random Thoughts" thread.

or pm.
:wave:

[Miss Kitty]

BR, I accomplished 2 of the 3. Where does that leave me? Miss Kitty, how about you?

:floor:

[scooterbug44]

BR, I accomplished 2 of the 3. Where does that leave me? Miss Kitty, how about you?

I'm 2/3 too, if you bend the rules as I drank before 21, but it was completely OK under the local regulations/laws. :wave:

[TreeFrog]

Do you truly believe that? Wow!

Yup.

If you were in your teens or twenties and didn't at least try smoking dope in the late 60s or early 70s, you were out of the drift. Apologies if that doesn't agree with your personal experiences.

[DD]

I was at University of Maryland in the 70's. It certainly was around and I was asked many times but it was still a choice. I guess you can count me in as one of the true rebels of the 70's along with a few others on this board (the ones choosing not to smoke it). Personally I never liked the smell.

Thank you.

[BIGDOG]

:rolling:or how 'bout a big fat fattie instead?



I know nothing about you, but know a few people (just a few) who could be your twin. they are really nice people once you get to know them.



yes.

is waltongop also BIGDOG? hmmm..

I don't know anything about either you or Elgordoboy, but you seem to be rather free with the personal insults to people you don't know. Inappropriate online behavior?

I'm not waltongop. I'm not even republican, but thanks for the compliment. He seems like an even-keeled guy.

[Tootsie]

I don't know anything about either you or Elgordoboy, but you seem to be rather free with the personal insults to people you don't know. Inappropriate online behavior?

I'm not waltongop. I'm not even republican, but thanks for the compliment. He seems like an even-keeled guy.

waltongop is a good 'un. sorry to have insulted him, he's never been rude on this board with his responses. neither has elgrodoboy. both very genuine and respectful.

[elgordoboy]

I don't know anything about either you or Elgordoboy, but you seem to be rather free with the personal insults to people you don't know. Inappropriate online behavior?

I'm not waltongop. I'm not even republican, but thanks for the compliment. He seems like an even-keeled guy.
One might even say a superiorly even-keeled guy. I have not personally insulted you (at least such was not the intention from my end). I still think the post that I labeled creepy is creepy. I have yet to say you are a creep, and will not unless I get to know you. :biggrin: Have a good day it is beautiful outside.