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aleonard
02-16-2008, 10:09 AM
Pat Rice, editor for the NWFDN posted this to his blog yesterday. I wondered what our politically savvy posters thought of the demographic he points out and how they will play a part in the finial decision?

Are you an "Angry White Man?" (http://www.nwfdailynews.com/blog/post/theEditor/1041/Are-you-an-Angry-White-Man)

February 15, 2008, 10:49 am

An avid reader sent me the column below from the Aspen Weekly Times entitled "In election 2008, don't forget the Angry White Man."

I don't entirely agree with the columnist's points of view. In particular, I think he's mistaken about the political persuasion of the average Angry White Man. This columnist suggests Angry White Men are Democrats, or Republicans, or from fringe parties. I would suggest that most of the Angry White Men this columnist describes are hardcore Republicans. Also, the columnist is clearly opposed to Hillary Clinton. And, I disagree with his view that women think less rationally than the average Angry White Man. Finally, I think his belief that the average Angry White Man is some sort of salt-of-the-earth hero is based more on mythology than reality.

All that stated, I think the columnist makes points that many people will find provocative, and many people will agree with his view. So here it is. Please read, and by all means comment.





In election 2008, don’t forget Angry White Man

Gary Hubbell
February 9, 2008

There is a great amount of interest in this year’s presidential elections, as everybody seems to recognize that our next president has to be a lot better than George Bush. The Democrats are riding high with two groundbreaking candidates — a woman and an African-American — while the conservative Republicans are in a quandary about their party’s nod to a quasi-liberal maverick, John McCain.

Each candidate is carefully pandering to a smorgasbord of special-interest groups, ranging from gay, lesbian and transgender people to children of illegal immigrants to working mothers to evangelical Christians.

There is one group no one has recognized, and it is the group that will decide the election: the Angry White Man. The Angry White Man comes from all economic backgrounds, from dirt-poor to filthy rich. He represents all geographic areas in America, from urban sophisticate to rural redneck, deep South to mountain West, left Coast to Eastern Seaboard.

His common traits are that he isn’t looking for anything from anyone — just the promise to be able to make his own way on a level playing field. In many cases, he is an independent businessman and employs several people. He pays more than his share of taxes and works hard.

The victimhood syndrome buzzwords — “disenfranchised,” “marginalized” and “voiceless” — don’t resonate with him. “Press ‘one’ for English” is a curse-word to him. He’s used to picking up the tab, whether it’s the company Christmas party, three sets of braces, three college educations or a beautiful wedding.

He believes the Constitution is to be interpreted literally, not as a “living document” open to the whims and vagaries of a panel of judges who have never worked an honest day in their lives.

The Angry White Man owns firearms, and he’s willing to pick up a gun to defend his home and his country. He is willing to lay down his life to defend the freedom and safety of others, and the thought of killing someone who needs killing really doesn’t bother him.

The Angry White Man is not a metrosexual, a homosexual or a victim. Nobody like him drowned in Hurricane Katrina — he got his people together and got the hell out, then went back in to rescue those too helpless and stupid to help themselves, often as a police officer, a National Guard soldier or a volunteer firefighter.

His last name and religion don’t matter. His background might be Italian, English, Polish, German, Slavic, Irish, or Russian, and he might have Cherokee, Mexican, or Puerto Rican mixed in, but he considers himself a white American.

He’s a man’s man, the kind of guy who likes to play poker, watch football, hunt white-tailed deer, call turkeys, play golf, spend a few bucks at a strip club once in a blue moon, change his own oil and build things. He coaches baseball, soccer and football teams and doesn’t ask for a penny. He’s the kind of guy who can put an addition on his house with a couple of friends, drill an oil well, weld a new bumper for his truck, design a factory and publish books. He can fill a train with 100,000 tons of coal and get it to the power plant on time so that you keep the lights on and never know what it took to flip that light switch.

Women either love him or hate him, but they know he’s a man, not a dishrag. If they’re looking for someone to walk all over, they’ve got the wrong guy. He stands up straight, opens doors for women and says “Yes, sir” and “No, ma’am.”

He might be a Republican and he might be a Democrat; he might be a Libertarian or a Green. He knows that his wife is more emotional than rational, and he guides the family in a rational manner.

He’s not a racist, but he is annoyed and disappointed when people of certain backgrounds exhibit behavior that typifies the worst stereotypes of their race. He’s willing to give everybody a fair chance if they work hard, play by the rules and learn English.

Most important, the Angry White Man is pissed off. When his job site becomes flooded with illegal workers who don’t pay taxes and his wages drop like a stone, he gets righteously angry. When his job gets shipped overseas, and he has to speak to some incomprehensible idiot in India for tech support, he simmers. When Al Sharpton comes on TV, leading some rally for reparations for slavery or some such nonsense, he bites his tongue and he remembers. When a child gets charged with carrying a concealed weapon for mistakenly bringing a penknife to school, he takes note of who the local idiots are in education and law enforcement.

He also votes, and the Angry White Man loathes Hillary Clinton. Her voice reminds him of a shovel scraping a rock. He recoils at the mere sight of her on television. Her very image disgusts him, and he cannot fathom why anyone would want her as their leader. It’s not that she is a woman. It’s that she is who she is. It’s the liberal victim groups she panders to, the “poor me” attitude that she represents, her inability to give a straight answer to an honest question, his tax dollars that she wants to give to people who refuse to do anything for themselves.

There are many millions of Angry White Men. Four million Angry White Men are members of the National Rifle Association, and all of them will vote against Hillary Clinton, just as the great majority of them voted for George Bush.

He hopes that she will be the Democratic nominee for president in 2008, and he will make sure that she gets beaten like a drum.

hnooe
02-16-2008, 12:30 PM
Trust me a majority of these angry white guys are Republicans: the Democrats serve the interest of women, the poor, gays, blacks, latinos, and on an on before they serve the interests of the Gun toting, Nascar loving, "make-me-dinner woman," I-hate-Hillary, white guys.

There are more than a few on SoWal.com who will respond quickly and negatively toward Hillary on any issue--they have even trained their wives to despise Hillary, and the little woman will more often than not vote "his way," and will do so gladly. This group of married couples represent the bulk of Hillary haters, I feel.

BIGDOG
02-16-2008, 12:49 PM
Trust me a majority of these angry white guys are Republicans: the Democrats serve the interest of women, the poor, gays, blacks, latinos, and on an on before they serve the interests of the Gun toting, Nascar loving, "make-me-dinner woman," I-hate-Hillary, white guys.

There are more than a few on SoWal.com who will respond quickly and negatively toward Hillary on any issue--they have even trained their wives to despise Hillary, and the little woman will more often than not vote "his way," and will do so gladly. This group of married couples represent the bulk of Hillary haters, I feel.

LOL Spoken like a true angry white man. Wake up to America and get your head out of the stereotypes.

hnooe
02-16-2008, 12:58 PM
LOL Spoken like a true angry white man. Wake up to America and get your head out of the stereotypes.

I am a white man, but not angry----OK. OK!! I CAN GET a little CRABBY now and then..but nothing major.

Tootsie
02-16-2008, 01:12 PM
the angry white man. I get this. but not sure the label "angry" need apply. but there is something to this article.

it does sound like a typical white male republican (cook my dinner wifey / homophobic / gun toting / hard working / community leaders and lots of good qualities), but then that would leave out a lot of pretty liberal / open minded menfolks who are repulsed by Hillary. a few on this board who I won't mention.

it does sound like stereotyping, and it is. but, when we look at groups of voters, a kind of stereotype, it gives a lot of information about what is important to certain segments of like-minded people.

this article brings to mind Waltongop's post in the lounge about the evolution/creation of conservatives and liberals.. pretty funny.

Conservatives drink domestic beer. They eat red
meat and still provide for their women. Conservatives
are big-game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks,
construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, police
officers, corporate executives, athletes, Marines,
and generally anyone who works productively.
Conservatives who own companies hire other
conservatives who want to work for a living.
Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to
govern the producers and decide what to do with the
production. Liberals believe Europeans are more
enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the
liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were
coming to America The liberals crept in after the
Wild West was tamed and created a business of trying
to get more for nothing.

see lounge politics in the lounge thread, post #53 :lol: - I like it for some ridiculous reason...
http://www.sowal.com/bb/showthread.php?t=19632&page=2

Tootsie
02-16-2008, 01:21 PM
urban dictionary has some interesting definitions of angry white man.

1.angry white manhttp://static.urbandictionary.com/thumbsup.gif (javascript:void(0))26 up, 15 downhttp://static.urbandictionary.com/thumbsdown.gif (javascript:void(0))1. Any white man who is angry due to racial inequality based upon his being white.
2. Any white male who, upon discovery, is upset about anything having to do with other races begging for money or credibility based upon their race alone, or offenses committed against their race generations ago.
Blacks expecting money for slavery so that they may purchase ever-bigger rims for their stolen Cadillac make me an angry white man
Hispanics expecting welfare and SSI because they are here illegally and cannot feed their families make me an angry white man

2.angry white manhttp://static.urbandictionary.com/thumbsup.gif (javascript:void(0))40 up, 40 downhttp://static.urbandictionary.com/thumbsdown.gif (javascript:void(0))a white guy who gets all snippy and uptight whenever two or more non-black women give a brotha credit for a good performance or deed in a public forum.
Girl#1: Jerome proposed last night and I said yes!

Girl#2: That's wonderful! Jerome is sooo cool. You all will have lots of fun together.

Angry White Man: Ever notice how much Jerome looks like O.J.?





also...

1.angry white malehttp://static.urbandictionary.com/thumbsup.gif (javascript:void(0))26 up, 20 downhttp://static.urbandictionary.com/thumbsdown.gif (javascript:void(0))The insecure and subsequently conservative demographic personified by Rush Limbaugh. As a rule, they hate both affirmative action and rap music (but may secretly listen to Eminem).



and love this...

1.angry white man musichttp://static.urbandictionary.com/thumbsup.gif (javascript:void(0))1 thumb downhttp://static.urbandictionary.com/thumbsdown.gif (javascript:void(0))Modern or classic rock music that falls into the genres of: heavy metal, grunge, indusrial, post-grunge, or punk rock.
I'm tired of listening to this love song garbage. Let's find a radio station with some angry white man music.

goodwitch58
02-16-2008, 01:30 PM
urban dictionary has some interesting definitions of angry white man.

1.angry white manhttp://static.urbandictionary.com/thumbsup.gif (javascript:void(0))26 up, 15 downhttp://static.urbandictionary.com/thumbsdown.gif (javascript:void(0))1. Any white man who is angry due to racial inequality based upon his being white.
2. Any white male who, upon discovery, is upset about anything having to do with other races begging for money or credibility based upon their race alone, or offenses committed against their race generations ago.
Blacks expecting money for slavery so that they may purchase ever-bigger rims for their stolen Cadillac make me an angry white man
Hispanics expecting welfare and SSI because they are here illegally and cannot feed their families make me an angry white man

2.angry white manhttp://static.urbandictionary.com/thumbsup.gif (javascript:void(0))40 up, 40 downhttp://static.urbandictionary.com/thumbsdown.gif (javascript:void(0))a white guy who gets all snippy and uptight whenever two or more non-black women give a brotha credit for a good performance or deed in a public forum.
Girl#1: Jerome proposed last night and I said yes!

Girl#2: That's wonderful! Jerome is sooo cool. You all will have lots of fun together.

Angry White Man: Ever notice how much Jerome looks like O.J.?





also...

1.angry white malehttp://static.urbandictionary.com/thumbsup.gif (javascript:void(0))26 up, 20 downhttp://static.urbandictionary.com/thumbsdown.gif (javascript:void(0))The insecure and subsequently conservative demographic personified by Rush Limbaugh. As a rule, they hate both affirmative action and rap music (but may secretly listen to Eminem).



and love this...

1.angry white man musichttp://static.urbandictionary.com/thumbsup.gif (javascript:void(0))1 thumb downhttp://static.urbandictionary.com/thumbsdown.gif (javascript:void(0))Modern or classic rock music that falls into the genres of: heavy metal, grunge, indusrial, post-grunge, or punk rock.
I'm tired of listening to this love song garbage. Let's find a radio station with some angry white man music.


Mostly we just call them JERKS!

Tootsie
02-16-2008, 02:12 PM
Mostly we just call them JERKS!

:lol: well, I must say I know and love quite a few angry white men. they can't help it.

goodwitch58
02-16-2008, 02:19 PM
yeah, those we just call "lovable jerks":D

seacliffes
02-16-2008, 02:33 PM
Well call me a jerk, I could care less. Until you have been screwed over by affirmative action a dozen times or so then you have no clue......

hnooe
02-16-2008, 02:35 PM
Well call me a jerk, I could care less. Until you have been screwed over by affirmative action a dozen times or so then you have no clue......

(check) Seacliffes--One angry white Male.....next?

livingiSoWal
02-16-2008, 02:40 PM
Ha, hnooe, your pretty funny. I do not like Senator Clinton at all. I in-fact think she would be the worst thing for our country. I also do not watch nascar or expect a wife to cook me dinner...

Tootsie
02-16-2008, 03:07 PM
Well call me a jerk, I could care less. Until you have been screwed over by affirmative action a dozen times or so then you have no clue......

check

Ha, hnooe, your pretty funny. I do not like Senator Clinton at all. I in-fact think she would be the worst thing for our country. I also do not watch nascar or expect a wife to cook me dinner...

check



:wave:AWM

elgordoboy
02-16-2008, 05:45 PM
Well call me a jerk, I could care less. Until you have been screwed over by affirmative action a dozen times or so then you have no clue......
A dozen times-How does this happen? Clue me in.

30A Skunkape
02-16-2008, 06:00 PM
Anger management-stop whining and vote! That goes for linguini spined Mullerian inhibiting positive chai latte sippin' libs as well.:wave:

Tootsie
02-16-2008, 08:09 PM
Anger management-stop whining and vote! That goes for linguini spined Mullerian inhibiting positive chai latte sippin' libs as well.:wave:

check! :wave:

scooterbug44
02-16-2008, 09:05 PM
I think the label "angry" or the phrase "angry white man" does the article a disservice.

Except for the poker playing (he plays other card games) and strip club (not once you're married) this article totally describes my father and many family friends.

They're completely fed up with all the "political correctness," excuses, and whining. They are the backbone, support system, and glue of this country and it is ignoring them.

They're not racist or xenophobic, they're tired of quotas and all of the stupid rules that keep them from hiring the best person and from firing someone who (and this is roughly on par w/ being a murderer in their minds) doesn't have a good work ethic. They don't care if someone is a first or fifth generation immigrant as long as they speak english, work hard, and love their families.

They aren't sexist or chauvanistic, they were raised by strong women, their wives work full time, and their daughters play sports and are going to conquer the world. They are protective of their mothers, wives, and daughters and think that anyone who abuses women or children is absolute scum.

They won't lash out, go on a shooting spree, or lose their temper, but they are most definitely angry with the current direction of this country and the way it doesn't seem to care about their values.

And yes, they do hate Hilary because she represents everything that they feel is wrong with this country, not because she is female or a Democrat.

Tootsie
02-16-2008, 10:06 PM
you are correct scooter. except some I know are racist and sexist. and macho. but most are great guys anyway.

angry white males are not necessarily angry. :wub::wave:

rapunzel
02-16-2008, 10:16 PM
Cute Angry White Male story.

So, you know, sometimes a certain Karl Rove mini me on the board gets under my skin. It happened this morning, so I went to dipdive.com to listen to the little song and feel all happy and optimistic again. I sort of sing along....

....It was the creed...founding documents.....yes we can....whispered by slaves and abolitionists...sung by immigrants as they struck out from distant shores....workers who organized....women who reached for the ballot....a President who chose the moon as our new frontier....

And from the bathroom, in a soulful approximation of John Legend...

"And by Skunkapes who were tired of paying too much in taxes...yes we ca --aaa--an."

:floor:

Tootsie
02-16-2008, 10:21 PM
Cute Angry White Male story.

So, you know, sometimes a certain Karl Rove mini me on the board gets under my skin. It happened this morning, so I went to dipdive.com to listen to the little song and feel all happy and optimistic again. I sort of sing along....

....It was the creed...founding documents.....yes we can....whispered by slaves and abolitionists...sung by immigrants as they struck out from distant shores....workers who organized....women who reached for the ballot....a President who chose the moon as our new frontier....

And from the bathroom, in a soulful approximation of John Legend...

"And by Skunkapes who were tired of paying too much in taxes...yes we ca --aaa--an."

:floor:


:lolabove::floor::funn:

omg. how did you two hook up to start with? love it.

Miss Kitty
02-16-2008, 10:25 PM
:lolabove::floor::funn:

omg. how did you two hook up to start with? love it.

:floor:...freakin' hysterical. A match made in heaven.

jdarg
02-16-2008, 10:26 PM
:floor:...freakin' hysterical. A match made in heaven.


Tonight I asked her if she kept all the little notes he leaves around- she needs to publish a book. Skunky is hilarious.

Miss Kitty
02-16-2008, 10:27 PM
Tonight I asked her if she kept all the little notes he leaves around- she needs to publish a book. Skunky is hilarious.

more more...:clap:

rapunzel
02-16-2008, 10:36 PM
Okay, one more....

Friday morning we were out of coffee. I came downstairs to find $5 and a note.

It seems we are out of coffee. Take this money and enjoy a hot cup of multinational unfair trade brew.

And there is a drawing of a little foot, with a shackle and a chain. At the end of the chain is a perfect little rendering of a Starbucks cup.

Miss Kitty
02-16-2008, 10:47 PM
Okay, one more....

Friday morning we were out of coffee. I came downstairs to find $5 and a note.

It seems we are out of coffee. Take this money and enjoy a hot cup of multinational unfair trade brew.

And there is a drawing of a little foot, with a shackle and a chain. At the end of the chain is a perfect little rendering of a Starbucks cup.

:funn:....I see the student remained a clown!

30A Skunkape
02-17-2008, 12:17 AM
http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/characters/character0244.gif (http://www.ladies-shoes.biz/ladies-shoes/63889-1.html)

Mango
02-17-2008, 10:18 AM
Cute Angry White Male story.

So, you know, sometimes a certain Karl Rove mini me on the board gets under my skin. It happened this morning, so I went to dipdive.com to listen to the little song and feel all happy and optimistic again. I sort of sing along....

....It was the creed...founding documents.....yes we can....whispered by slaves and abolitionists...sung by immigrants as they struck out from distant shores....workers who organized....women who reached for the ballot....a President who chose the moon as our new frontier....

And from the bathroom, in a soulful approximation of John Legend...

"And by Skunkapes who were tired of paying too much in taxes...yes we ca --aaa--an."

:floor: :rolling:That's something MANgo would do.

Okay, one more....

Friday morning we were out of coffee. I came downstairs to find $5 and a note.

It seems we are out of coffee. Take this money and enjoy a hot cup of multinational unfair trade brew.

And there is a drawing of a little foot, with a shackle and a chain. At the end of the chain is a perfect little rendering of a Starbucks cup.

:lolabove: I swear they put some addictive additives in that coffee.

wrobert
02-17-2008, 10:33 AM
So, you know, sometimes a certain Karl Rove mini me on the board gets under my skin. It happened this morning, so I went to dipdive.com to listen to the little song and feel all happy and optimistic again. I

Rapunzel,

I sincerely apologize if I have gone too far with you. You will never know how much respect I have for you. This is because you really believe in what you are doing. You are getting involved in the process. And you are doing it in an attempt to make a real difference. People should believe what they want, but they should be able to articulate those beliefs, not just because they are the latest trend, but because they see where a difference can be made. Your posts and information have even caused me to have to go back and do additional research and rethink my thoughts on some issues. And when I put your arguments to my right wing friends, it has definitely raised a few eyebrows, but it has also caused everyone to think about just what it is that they want to see of this country in the future. Obama is lucky to have you on his side.


robert