Hucakabee numbers surging in Florida

[wrobert]

From tampabay.com

Strategic Vision's 12/14-16 poll (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/docs/Florida_Poll_Dec_18_2007.html) : Rudy Giuliani 25%; Mike Huckabee 21%; John McCain 15%; Mitt Romney 13%; Fred Thompson 10% Ron Paul 4%; Tom Tancredo 2%; Duncan Hunter 1%; and 9% undecided. “Republicans could potentially have four to five viable candidates when the race comes to Florida. Such a scenario would benefit Guilaini as it would divide the conservative vote. Most interesting is the McCain revival particularly in the I-4 corridor,” said a statement from Strategic Vision CEO David "Not DJ, the former RPOF executive director" Johnson.

Then there's the new SurveyUSA automated poll (http://www.surveyusa.com/index.php/2007/12/18/1st-fl-poll-following-giuliani-re-positioning-speech-in-tampa/): Giuliani 29%; Huckabee 24%; Romney 20%; McCain 10%; Thompson 8%; other 6%, undecided 3%.

[hnooe]

From tampabay.com

Strategic Vision's 12/14-16 poll (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/docs/Florida_Poll_Dec_18_2007.html) : Rudy Giuliani 25%; Mike Huckabee 21%; John McCain 15%; Mitt Romney 13%; Fred Thompson 10% Ron Paul 4%; Tom Tancredo 2%; Duncan Hunter 1%; and 9% undecided. “Republicans could potentially have four to five viable candidates when the race comes to Florida. Such a scenario would benefit Guilaini as it would divide the conservative vote. Most interesting is the McCain revival particularly in the I-4 corridor,” said a statement from Strategic Vision CEO David "Not DJ, the former RPOF executive director" Johnson.

Then there's the new SurveyUSA automated poll (http://www.surveyusa.com/index.php/2007/12/18/1st-fl-poll-following-giuliani-re-positioning-speech-in-tampa/): Giuliani 29%; Huckabee 24%; Romney 20%; McCain 10%; Thompson 8%; other 6%, undecided 3%.

That all great and good for here in our great state, but Huckabee may be the real anti-Christ!!

I am not talking a Hillary Clinton type Devil here--I am talking the actual anti-Christ!!!! read on... Is Huckabee the Antichrist? (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marty-kaplan/is-huckabee-the-antichris_b_76988.html) :yikes:

[Beach House 25]

That all great and good for here in our great state, but Huckabee may be the real anti-Christ!!

I am not talking a Hillary Clinton type Devil here--I am talking the actual anti-Christ!!!! read on... Is Huckabee the Antichrist? (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marty-kaplan/is-huckabee-the-antichris_b_76988.html) :yikes:

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

hnoooe2000 Dude thanks for the belly laugh of the week so far. Do you really put anything into the link you posted? Or are you just making what has proved to be a belly whooper of a joke? I am not saying that I support this guy or not, But your post did have me do my own DD on him and found out that e seems to be a very down to earth guy... Devil.... well if thats your reality than enjoy i.. mine.... that link was a good belly laughing joke so thanks for the entertainment!

PS: Myself I am looking for a good witch doctor from Haiti to bring Richard Nixon back!:floor:

[rehdrahk]

The polls are non-sense. They are set up as a control measure in order to promote the agenda of either the pollster or the one commissioning the poll.

[User 3]

My guess is that Huckabee has peaked too early. He is almost out of money. Maybe, with this "surge", he will gain some extra funds, but there seems to be a lot of dirt coming with all this media attention.

[rehdrahk]

My guess is that Huckabee has peaked too early. He is almost out of money. Maybe, with this "surge", he will gain some extra funds, but there seems to be a lot of dirt coming with all this media attention.

I guess in this line of thought you would have to actually believe he surged ... I would like to see the proof of this so called surge outside of poll numbers. Polls have continually, historically been wrong. Wait until after the primaries in both Iowa and NH and see how drastic the poll numbers will change and the agencies who were outfitted to make the initial "Guesses", excuse their complete incompetence and then run their numbers along side the true poll ... "The actual vote"

[seaside2]

If you are old enough, you might remember that Henry Kissinger was widely rumored to be the anti-Christ!!!
One of a long line of so called anti-Christ.

Seems like this always comes up for one reason or the other. Problem is, none of them actually fit Biblical prophesy!

[hnooe]

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

hnoooe2000 Dude thanks for the belly laugh of the week so far. Do you really put anything into the link you posted? Or are you just making what has proved to be a belly whooper of a joke? I am not saying that I support this guy or not, But your post did have me do my own DD on him and found out that e seems to be a very down to earth guy... Devil.... well if thats your reality than enjoy i.. mine.... that link was a good belly laughing joke so thanks for the entertainment!

PS: Myself I am looking for a good witch doctor from Haiti to bring Richard Nixon back!:floor:

I actual was kidding of course--I am no Bible expert, obviously. :D

Huckabee, the man, does actually seem to be very genuine, sincere, and very comfortable with who he is. I do really believe he is a good person, really! I am just affraid of his social conservatism, and how that might influence future decisions if he were President.

[Smiling JOe]

PS: Myself I am looking for a good witch doctor from Haiti to bring Richard Nixon back!:floor:See if DJ Vladi will bring you one back. He just left for the Dominican Republic.

[maeby funke]

I actual was kidding of course--I am no Bible expert, obviously. :D

Huckabee, the man, does actually seem to be very genuine, sincere, and very comfortable with who he is. I do really believe he is a good person, really! I am just affraid of his social conservatism, and how that might influence future decisions if he were President.

Yep, I agree. Nice guy I'm sure, but his social conservatism scares the bejeesus out of me. I will never vote for a guy who thinks women should "graciously submit" to their husbands.

[Scooter]

Did you read about what his son did to a dog at Boy Scout camp? His position on animal welfare will keep him from getting my vote!

[rehdrahk]

There was a dog that came in. It was mangy. It looked like it was going to attack," Mike Huckabee said Monday on CNN's Larry King Live. "He was a staffer at the camp. They put the dog down. They didn't do a good job of talking to the leaders. The way it was handled was not ideal, but there was no criminal activity."

Yeah instead of maybe giving a mangy dog some food and taking him somewhere to figure out if he has an owner or to a place that may attempt to find him an owner, my first instinct is to put it out of its misery.

By one account this is how it was done ....

the son of Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, have admitted to catching a stray dog during their summer session at Camp Pioneer in Hatfield, AR, and hanging the dog by his neck, slitting his throat and stoning him to death.

[goofer44]

If Hucksterbee is the nominee the republicans will wander in the desert for forty years. He would be a disaster and could not possibly win. McCain McCain McCain can win and would be a great leader just when this country is appearing to be going down the drain !!!

[hnooe]

There was a dog that came in. It was mangy. It looked like it was going to attack," Mike Huckabee said Monday on CNN's Larry King Live. "He was a staffer at the camp. They put the dog down. They didn't do a good job of talking to the leaders. The way it was handled was not ideal, but there was no criminal activity."

Yeah instead of maybe giving a mangy dog some food and taking him somewhere to figure out if he has an owner or to a place that may attempt to find him an owner, my first instinct is to put it out of its misery.

By one account this is how it was done ....

the son of Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, have admitted to catching a stray dog during their summer session at Camp Pioneer in Hatfield, AR, and hanging the dog by his neck, slitting his throat and stoning him to death.

Shades of Michael Vick, but I would not hold that incident against him, those were the alledged actions of his son.

[scooterbug44]

Call me old school, but I still blame parents when their kids torture and kill animals at boy scout camp!

[hnooe]

Call me old school, but I still blame parents when their kids torture and kill animals at boy scout camp!

I would never call you "old school" scooterbug-- I always value your opinions and comments!:welcome:

[Scooter]

I agree with you 100% Scooterbug!

[User 3]

"A principled conservative?


Huckabee's history of pardoning violent felons (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/12/05/huckabee-on-rapist-murderer/?hp) with disastrous outcomes has been a major problem for his campaign. On immigration, he is a flip-flopper. As Arkansas's governor, Huckabee supported in-state college tuition for young illegal immigrants (http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2007/12/immigration_advocate_shame_on.html), but recently, presumably for political expediency, has completely reversed his position.


How about taxes? By the end of his ten-year tenure as governor of Arkansas, Huckabee was responsible (http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2007/01/a_report_on_mike_huckabees_fis.php) for a 37% higher sales tax, 16% higher motor fuel taxes, and 103% higher cigarette taxes, according to Americans for Tax Reform. Check out the infamous video of Governor Huckabee practically begging for any new tax. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-102793292534815602

What about pro-life issues? When asked about embryonic stem cell research, he said (http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Mike_Huckabee_Abortion.htm), "I don't think it's right to create a life to end a life." So far, so good, but then he added, "That's not a good health decision." What on earth does that mean? He was later asked, "As president, you would seek to ban abortion?" and his response was that "I would seek always to promote the view that life is precious and should be protected. But I think it has to be won on a battlefield of one heart at a time rather than pieces of legislation at a time." He clearly does not have a clear plan to stop or at least slow abortion." Lew Rockwell

[Smiling JOe]

Call me old school, but I still blame parents when their kids torture and kill animals at boy scout camp!

I tend to agree with you on this one but would like to point out the following observations. Kids don't always follow in the footsteps of their parents. If they did, there would still be slavery in the good ole US of A. I would also point out that the kids of the Baptist preachers, whom I knew when growing up, were always the rowdy ones, rebelling against their parents. They were ALWAYS in trouble with the teachers and often, the Law, and definitely, were usually against the Church. I'm not sure that it had anything to do with their parents not being concerned for the children. I cannot say that I am proud of the way my dad treated outsider animals that came into his path. For a while, as a kid, I followed in his footsteps, killing animals. Yes, me, killing animals, can you believe it? At some point in life, I realized that I was not my father, and began making my own decisions, and I suddenly had a new perspective on many things -- the value of all life, being one of those things.

Kids are not their parents, and parents are not their kids. A good parent tries to instill the "rights and wrongs" into their kids, and gives the kids the chance to learn for themselves, which often means failing, before succeeding. People change, and hopefully, it is for the better.

[Beach House 25]

Kids are not their parents, and parents are not their kids. A good parent tries to instill the "rights and wrongs" into their kids, and gives the kids the chance to learn for themselves, which often means failing, before succeeding. People change, and hopefully, it is for the better.


Now that sir I agree with you 110% I love my kids, and we done what we thought was right raising them, We never had any problems (Drugs, Crime) with them, They both have families now and we are dang proud that "They" Choose to follow our up bringing. ;-)

Whats really funny is today I had lunch with my son, we were chatting about the kids and how his daughter was turning "The terrible twos!" his words...LOL, I sat back and just belly laughed for 20 min. Then we went back to the Radio station were I taunted him about :cool:the kids being pay back for PaPa and GRAMMY lol... :clap:

[wrobert]

Kids are not their parents, and parents are not their kids. A good parent tries to instill the "rights and wrongs" into their kids, and gives the kids the chance to learn for themselves, which often means failing, before succeeding. People change, and hopefully, it is for the better.


I would be concerned more with what, if any, influence Huckabee may have used to quash an investigation into the matter.

[Beach House 25]

I would be concerned more with what, if any, influence Huckabee may have used to quash an investigation into the matter.



NONE !

[Joe]

I would be concerned more with what, if any, influence Huckabee may have used to quash an investigation into the matter.

Here is a Newsweek article on the matter:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/78241

[rapunzel]

There was a dog that came in. It was mangy. It looked like it was going to attack," Mike Huckabee said Monday on CNN's Larry King Live. "He was a staffer at the camp. They put the dog down. They didn't do a good job of talking to the leaders. The way it was handled was not ideal, but there was no criminal activity."



If he defends what his son did, and minimizes and spins it, then I think he is responsible, at least in part, for what happened.

The holiday family picture that includes a picture of the overweight and sloppy "I hear banjo music" son is going to hurt him. That was a bad picture.

I'm sure Huckabee will flop in Florida, but part of me wishes he would do well...perfect kharma, the GOP reaping what they've sown in manipulating the Christian conservative vote.

[hnooe]

If he defends what his son did, and minimizes and spins it, then I think he is responsible, at least in part, for what happened.

The holiday family picture that includes a picture of the overweight and sloppy "I hear banjo music" son is going to hurt him. That was a bad picture.

I'm sure Huckabee will flop in Florida, but part of me wishes he would do well...perfect kharma, the GOP reaping what they've sown in manipulating the Christian conservative vote.

Please forgive the pun, but thanks for "letting down your hair..." Go Rapunzel, go Rapunzel!:clap:

[wrobert]

Very interesting article revealing more information on Huckabee. As I read the different conservative publications I am starting to think that Huckabee was just a flash in the pan as conservatives continue to look for 'their' guy.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/014/529cebra.asp?pg=1


Remember if you have made up your mind, you can vote now at the Supervisor's office in south Walton or DeFuniak Springs.

[wrobert]

THE RACE: The presidential race for Democrats, Republicans in Iowa

THE NUMBERS - DEMOCRATS
John Edwards, 24 percent
Hillary Rodham Clinton, 23 percent
Barack Obama, 22 percent
Bill Richardson, 12 percent
Joe Biden, 8 percent
THE NUMBERS - REPUBLICANS
Mitt Romney, 27 percent
Mike Huckabee, 23 percent
Fred Thompson, 14 percent
John McCain, 13 percent
Rudy Giuliani, 5 percent
Ron Paul, 5 percent

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/12/30/ap4481653.html

[rapunzel]

This is going to be one exciting Thursday.:clap:

I'm thinking of having Caucus Results Party, but Skunky says no one would come. :idontno:

Oh, and I must register to vote Monday.

[jdarg]

This is going to be one exciting Thursday.:clap:

I'm thinking of having Caucus Results Party, but Skunky says no one would come. :idontno:

Oh, and I must register to vote Monday.

I would come.:wave:

[hnooe]

Vote for Huckabee!!!

[Camp Creek Kid]

Vote for Huckabee!!!

This proves that the Dems want Huckabee--so vote for anybody BUT Huckabee!!! He has no chance against either Hilary or Obama.

[Dune-AHH]

This is going to be one exciting Thursday.:clap:

I'm thinking of having Caucus Results Party, but Skunky says no one would come. :idontno:

Oh, and I must register to vote Monday.


Wow...that would be SOME kinda theme party...
I'd definitely come too!

[rapunzel]

Okay, we are on. Iowa Watch Party at my house. PM me for details!

[30A Skunkape]

This proves that the Dems want Huckabee--so vote for anybody BUT Huckabee!!! He has no chance against either Hilary or Obama.

We are convinced we will beat any Republican. I am saying 'we' because I am serving a short stint as a jackass in order to vote against 'she who must be beaten' in the primary:biggrin:

[30A Skunkape]

Okay, we are on. Iowa Watch Party at my house. PM me for details!

Please reassure me there will be no crying or Wiccans. (Deaniac cookies are welcome.)

[Camp Creek Kid]

We are convinced we will beat any Republican. I am saying 'we' because I am serving a short stint as a jackass in order to vote against 'she who must be beaten' in the primary:biggrin:

:cool: I was beginning to worry about you, but I gotcha now.

[30A Skunkape]

:cool: I was beginning to worry about you, but I gotcha now.

She must be defeated you know:ninja:

[jdarg]

She must be defeated you know:ninja:

I can't wait to sit on your lap and watch the caucus results.:wave:

[30A Skunkape]

I can't wait to sit on your lap and watch the caucus results.:wave:

I might have to go hide at the hospital. Hey wait, isn't there a football game on?

[jdarg]

I might have to go hide at the hospital. Hey wait, isn't there a football game on?

Chicken.:biggrin:

[rapunzel]

Please reassure me there will be no crying or Wiccans. (Deaniac cookies are welcome.)

Did I cry four years ago? I don't remember that, but I don't doubt it. I remember by the time Iowa was over I knew what the next four years held in store. I think I even predicted McAuliffe and the Clinton wing of the party were setting up for a Hillary run in '08 and didn't want an incumbent Democrat in the White House.

I can't promise I won't cry if she wins.

I can, however, promise no Wiccans. We will be planning no Wiccan outreach programs, either. Not that I have anything against Wiccans, I just don't think there's a Wiccan Church or organized Vampire coven in SoWal.

Skunky was so cute when I dragged him to the Dean for America meeting -- some girl suggested a campaign to hand out flyers at the Wiccan churches because they were anti-Bush and would probably be happy to volunteer. When Skunky suggested that perhaps seeking out the fringe element to be the face of the campaign might result in some of the soccer mom demographic being a little put off, he was basically called a Nazi. He walked out and I found him later in the hallway with his pockets stuffed with cookies.


I can't remember how I managed to get him to go with me in the first place.

[Miss Kitty]

Did I cry four years ago? I don't remember that, but I don't doubt it. I remember by the time Iowa was over I knew what the next four years held in store. I think I even predicted McAuliffe and the Clinton wing of the party were setting up for a Hillary run in '08 and didn't want an incumbent Democrat in the White House.

I can't promise I won't cry if she wins.

I can, however, promise no Wiccans. We will be planning no Wiccan outreach programs, either. Not that I have anything against Wiccans, I just don't think there's a Wiccan Church or organized Vampire coven in SoWal.

Skunky was so cute when I dragged him to the Dean for America meeting -- some girl suggested a campaign to hand out flyers at the Wiccan churches because they were anti-Bush and would probably be happy to volunteer. When Skunky suggested that perhaps seeking out the fringe element to be the face of the campaign might result in some of the soccer mom demographic being a little put off, he was basically called a Nazi. He walked out and I found him later in the hallway with his pockets stuffed with cookies.


I can't remember how I managed to get him to go with me in the first place.


:floor:omg, punz!!! It's the hair darling, the hair...it has special powers!

[30A Skunkape]

Did I cry four years ago? I don't remember that, but I don't doubt it. I remember by the time Iowa was over I knew what the next four years held in store. I think I even predicted McAuliffe and the Clinton wing of the party were setting up for a Hillary run in '08 and didn't want an incumbent Democrat in the White House.

I can't promise I won't cry if she wins.

I can, however, promise no Wiccans. We will be planning no Wiccan outreach programs, either. Not that I have anything against Wiccans, I just don't think there's a Wiccan Church or organized Vampire coven in SoWal.

Skunky was so cute when I dragged him to the Dean for America meeting -- some girl suggested a campaign to hand out flyers at the Wiccan churches because they were anti-Bush and would probably be happy to volunteer. When Skunky suggested that perhaps seeking out the fringe element to be the face of the campaign might result in some of the soccer mom demographic being a little put off, he was basically called a Nazi. He walked out and I found him later in the hallway with his pockets stuffed with cookies.


I can't remember how I managed to get him to go with me in the first place.

If you remember, we were poor back in those days and it was free entertainment. That lady suggesting the Wiccans be the rock upon which Howard Dean's New Orleans house be built is a memory that will last forever. Too much fun.

[hnooe]

Yes!! Huckabee--all the WAY!!!! Florida has also added the anti-gay marriage ammendment (again) to the Florida ballot, which will bring out all Republican Conservatives!!! YES!!!

I am keeping my fingers crossed!

[jdarg]

Yes!! Huckabee--all the WAY!!!! Florida has also added the anti-gay marriage ammendment (again) to the Florida ballot, which will bring out all Republican Conservatives!!! YES!!!

I am keeping my fingers crossed!

Blech.

[hnooe]

Blech.

It is spelled "belch"--where is your spell check!!!!

[jdarg]

It is spelled "belch"--where is your spell check!!!!

No, I am saying "belch", I am saying blechhhhh. Combo of a belch and coughing up a hairball. Onomatopoeia.

[rapunzel]

No, I am saying "belch", I am saying blechhhhh. Combo of a belch and coughing up a hairball. Onomatopoeia.

Jdarg gets the word of the day award...I love saying onomatopoeia.:clap:

[wrobert]

Yes!! Huckabee--all the WAY!!!! Florida has also added the anti-gay marriage ammendment (again) to the Florida ballot, which will bring out all Republican Conservatives!!! YES!!!

I am keeping my fingers crossed!

That is going to be on the ballot in November.

[wrobert]

DES MOINES — The results of the Des Moines Register’s final poll of Iowa (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/national/usstatesterritoriesandpossessions/iowa/index.html?inline=nyt-geo) caucus-goers, showing Senator Barack Obama (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/o/barack_obama/index.html?inline=nyt-per) leading the Democrats and Mike Huckabee (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/h/mike_huckabee/index.html?inline=nyt-per) leading the Republicans, continued to reverberate across the campaign trail on Tuesday as the clock ticked toward the caucuses Thursday night.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/01/us/politics/01cnd-campaign.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&hp



Some people may be very happy by this weekend.

[Lollerwaffle]

Yes!! Huckabee--all the WAY!!!! Florida has also added the anti-gay marriage ammendment (again) to the Florida ballot, which will bring out all Republican Conservatives!!! YES!!!

I am keeping my fingers crossed!

Yes, because THAT'S the big issue that gives people a reason to get off their asses and vote. ~rolls eyes~

Who cares about healthcare, taxes, the war in Iraq, etc? We have men having sex with eachother! They must be stopped!

[Smiling JOe]

Everyone knows that Mitt Romney will win the GOP. I'm not sure what that means for the Country.

[Camp Creek Kid]

Everyone knows that Mitt Romney will win the GOP. I'm not sure what that means for the Country.

:idontno: What does it mean to you?

[Smiling JOe]

I think many tuned out voters will see that Milton is a member of the LDS Church, and they will confuse it with the LSD Church, and vote for him. Seriously, Romney's financial leadership history looks good on paper, and that will be enough for many fiscal conservatives to jump on board. He has toyed with the idea of allowing Civil Unions in Mass, and that will win him a few votes from the socially liberal voters. He is certainly a smart and astute business man, and is a politician in every sense of the four letter word. Personally, I don't see a change in my daily life no matter which one of these candidates, wins the Presidency. I am 100% for someone like Ron Paul shaking things up from the status quo. I like the idea of someone with enough guts to eliminate the highly inefficient IRS, and switching to a spending tax. I like the idea of a President who has morals, and knows his or her place in the Country and the world. I don't want another dumb puppet pretending to know what he is doing. Mitt looks better on paper than many other candidates, but he will not be the salvation of this country. We are in far too great a hole for that and the Federal Budget isn't required by law to be balanced.

Huckabee? I don't think he has a chance in hell at winning the election. I think the US grew tired of the Sunday School teacher running the economy into the ground. Putting the actual preacher in the chair, cannot be much different.

[sowalgayboi]

Yes, because THAT'S the big issue that gives people a reason to get off their asses and vote. ~rolls eyes~

Who cares about healthcare, taxes, the war in Iraq, etc? We have men having sex with eachother! They must be stopped!

Don't forget the women, we wouldn't want to leave the wiccans out. :biggrin:

I think many tuned out voters will see that Milton is a member of the LDS Church, and they will confuse it with the LSD Church, and vote for him. Seriously, Romney's financial leadership history looks good on paper, and that will be enough for many fiscal conservatives to jump on board. He has toyed with the idea of allowing Civil Unions in Mass, and that will win him a few votes from the socially liberal voters. He is certainly a smart and astute business man, and is a politician in every sense of the four letter word. Personally, I don't see a change in my daily life no matter which one of these candidates, wins the Presidency. I am 100% for someone like Ron Paul shaking things up from the status quo. I like the idea of someone with enough guts to eliminate the highly inefficient IRS, and switching to a spending tax. I like the idea of a President who has morals, and knows his or her place in the Country and the world. I don't want another dumb puppet pretending to know what he is doing. Mitt looks better on paper than many other candidates, but he will not be the salvation of this country. We are in far too great a hole for that and the Federal Budget isn't required by law to be balanced.

Huckabee? I don't think he has a chance in hell at winning the election. I think the US grew tired of the Sunday School teacher running the economy into the ground. Putting the actual preacher in the chair, cannot be much different.

Umm, actually he was for them and then when there was a back lash he flipped and wanted to end them.

[Smiling JOe]

You are correct, and hence my usage of the words, "toyed with" the idea of allowing.... You may have also noticed part of the sentence following the one which you put in bold, "(Mitt) is a politician in every sense of the four letter word."

Back to Huckabee, did anyone notice his recent typical political move? Some people say that not having a political background will make Huckabee strong in the race. I say he knows way too much about poliTRICKS and it shows in his latest Press Conference, where Huckabee invited the Press to tell them that he was not yet going to release the negative commercial on Mitt. Then he showed the Press the commercial, knowing that they would release it in their news stories. True politician all the way.

[TooFarTampa]

When Skunky suggested that perhaps seeking out the fringe element to be the face of the campaign might result in some of the soccer mom demographic being a little put off, he was basically called a Nazi. He walked out and I found him later in the hallway with his pockets stuffed with cookies.

Who knew a thread about Huckabee could be so much funn. :floor::floor::floor:

She must be defeated you know:ninja:

I might agree, except Sean Hannity's entire life right now revolves around this statement, and I would enjoy seeing that smirk wiped off his face forever, so I can't quite agree. :wave:

I agree with SJ about Mitt. He really was so promising to me but when he started flip flopping about his social policies it made me wonder about his backbone.

I hope the gay-marriage amendment gets defeated in Florida. My opinion -- and I'm sure it seems very radical and unpopular, but in my mind it's all about fairness -- is that everyone should be entitled to a civil union sanctioned by the individual states, and if you want to get "married" in the traditional sense, you have to go to a church, temple, etc for that. If we are going to bring "morals" into it, then let the individual houses of worship determine their morals. The state, meanwhile, should just let anybody get hitched (as long as they are of age of course). :idontno:

[Bob]

Mitt Romney may not be your cup of tea, but he has a resume of solid accomplishment. In case anyone has actually considered this, abortion and gay marriage aren't America's most pressing issues. Changing one's mind on any given policy position is a sign of thoughtful consideration, not deception. We have a mental midget in office who has demonstrated unwavering inflexibility for 7 years now. Would anyone care for another president like this?

[Smiling JOe]

Bob, you make some good points about changing opinions with time. All "schooled" politicians have at least two opinions about any given topic. With the Bills being all lumped together, it is easy for a politician to have a legitimate excuse for any vote. This may be the perfect example of why we shouldn't base our opinions of candidates on their voting record. A bill may be labeled the "Civil Marriage Bill," but there is always much more to it than one simple issue.

I want a President who will not flip-flop based on Americans' daily poll changes, which is what many candidates do. I want a President with heart, and an open mind to rethink the status quo, one who can make a decision, back it up, and adjust it with time. The perfect plan is one which has, and allows for, contingencies. The Congress which voted to give the President unbridled power and authority in going to "war against terrorism," got to have their cake and eat it, too. They are just being politicians, so I don't expect more. You may call this Bush's War, but without Congressional agreement, we would be in this situation. Thank your Senators and Congressmen for allowing Bush to do his thing.

[TooFarTampa]

Mitt Romney may not be your cup of tea, but he has a resume of solid accomplishment. In case anyone has actually considered this, abortion and gay marriage aren't America's most pressing issues. Changing one's mind on any given policy position is a sign of thoughtful consideration, not deception. We have a mental midget in office who has demonstrated unwavering inflexibility for 7 years now. Would anyone care for another president like this?

I'm with you Bob. :wave: Romney's turnaround/corporation-building record is first-rate. He would certainly be Al Gore-like in his ability to streamline government (remember when Al did this as VP? Boy I miss Al!:pissed:) I just wish Romney would stand up and say what most of us know: "Folks, these are not the most important issues!" That would get me excited about voting for him.

[Smiling JOe]

Isn't it interesting that these issues always pop up to the top? They strike at our emotions and typically define our thoughts of who we think we are. Maybe the politicians also focus on these issues, because it is much easier for the general population to base their vote on a candidate's preference for gay marriage, rather than trying to educate the voters regarding taxes, debt, Federal role of gov't, and involvement in world poliTRICKS. As long as the general population in uninvolved in poliTRICKS, the candidates will cater to the "dumb" (uninformed) masses. (Don't run the two words together too quickly.)

[scooterbug44]

As long as the general population in uninvolved in poliTRICKS, the candidates will cater to the "dumb" (uninformed) masses. (Don't run the two words together too quickly.)

:rofl: :clap:

[wrobert]

As long as the general population in uninvolved in poliTRICKS, the candidates will cater to the "dumb" (uninformed) masses. (Don't run the two words together too quickly.)

You are so right. The masses are not going to get educated they are going to look to someone to do it for them. Remember when discussing the Blythe Spirit fiasco, the people were in the audience not because they knew why, but because their Pastor told them to be there. Abortion and gay marriage are used to get people fired up and showing up. In the grand scheme of things, we have much more serious issues. And if you follow the logic of Levitt's Freakonomics, if we did not have abortion we may have been dealing with other issues just as serious.


As far as candidates go out of all of them, I went with Mitt. He does have a record on streamlining business processes, and I was impressed with his efforts in finding Robert Gay's daughter.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/245/

[hnooe]

Isn't it interesting that these issues always pop up to the top? They strike at our emotions and typically define our thoughts of who we think we are. Maybe the politicians also focus on these issues, because it is much easier for the general population to base their vote on a candidate's preference for gay marriage, rather than trying to educate the voters regarding taxes, debt, Federal role of gov't, and involvement in world poliTRICKS. As long as the general population in uninvolved in poliTRICKS, the candidates will cater to the "dumb" (uninformed) masses. (Don't run the two words together too quickly.)

Very well put. I just really believe (just a gut feeling here) that in '08 the American public as a whole will be "onto" political deception of this nature. Yes, there will always be voters pushing their "single issue" lever based on what negative ads get the most air time in the media, but '08 will find the so-called "dumb," uninformed, masses to be just a bit smarter than they thought!

[Smiling JOe]

Wouldn't that be great, but I think the higher turn out of younger voters will be due to Al Gore's movie, MySpace.com, and FaceBook.com, none of which I think give a balanced view of the candidates.

Oh, he's for world peace. I'm for world peace. I'm voting for him. Gosh, that was too easy. I really like this whole election thing. I wish I could vote again.

[wrobert]

Wouldn't that be great, but I think the higher turn out of younger voters will be due to Al Gore's movie, MySpace.com, and FaceBook.com, none of which I think give a balanced view of the candidates.


Dean thought that he had energized the young voters when he ran also. He certainly got them excited on the internet, and caused a significant change in how money is raised from that demographic, yet they all must have gotten confused as to which day and where they were to show up to vote, because they did not make it.

[Smiling JOe]

Dean thought that he had energized the young voters when he ran also. He certainly got them excited on the internet, and caused a significant change in how money is raised from that demographic, yet they all must have gotten confused as to which day and where they were to show up to vote, because they did not make it.You make a good point. As of this morning, MySpace was soliciting votes for President on their site -- just a myspace.com election. I bet many who vote in that poll, will think that they really voted.

[wrobert]

-- just a myspace.com election. I bet many who vote in that poll, will think that they really voted.

:cry: Sad but true. So very, very true.

[Smiling JOe]

Huckabee is on the Leno Show and cracking jokes on everyone, including Jay Leno. Guess he is trying not to look so stiff. We all like a little humor, but if I were him, I'd leave the dogging other people kind of humor to the professionals. It doesn't seem to be very professional for a Presidential Candidate. Maybe I shouldn't have such high standards. He is a politician after all.

[Smiling JOe]

Huckabee just took credit for Congressman John Linder and Neil Bortz, "Fair Tax," calling it the "Consumption Tax." Good tax ideas but, he should give credit accordingly.

[wrobert]

Huckabee just took credit for Congressman John Linder and Neil Bortz, "Fair Tax," calling it the "Consumption Tax." Good tax ideas but, he should give credit accordingly.


Bortz will be on a tirade tomorrow.

[Smiling JOe]

Other than slow internet, can you pick up Boortz on the radio around here? What channel? I'd love to hear that.

[jdarg]

Huckabee just took credit for Congressman John Linder and Neil Bortz, "Fair Tax," calling it the "Consumption Tax." Good tax ideas but, he should give credit accordingly.

Yes, I was surprised the credit should go to Duncan Hunter (according to CNN's website). I didn't know he had co-sponsored the proposal, and not with Ron Paul, who, if you listen to his supporters, invented the idea.:roll:

Self correction- the Fair Tax seems to be co-sponsored by a quite a few people over the years. But I still didn't see Ron Paul's name on any list. Am I missing a list somewhere that includes him?

[wrobert]

Other than slow internet, can you pick up Boortz on the radio around here? What channel? I'd love to hear that.

I get him on WRJM 93.7 in the mornings. I am in and out of my vehicle but I know he is on around 9. Keep in mind I am mostly north of the bay.

[Smiling JOe]

Yes, I was surprised the credit should go to Duncan Hunter (according to CNN's website). I didn't know he had co-sponsored the proposal, and not with Ron Paul, who, if you listen to his supporters, invented the idea.:roll:

Self correction- the Fair Tax seems to be co-sponsored by a quite a few people over the years. But I still didn't see Ron Paul's name on any list. Am I missing a list somewhere that includes him?

Congressman John Linder first introduced the "Fair Tax" Bill in 1999, and there are over 50 co-sponsors, but it is Linder who wrote the Bill first.

As for Ron Paul, I think he heavily identifies with the economic principles of Adam Smith and the "Fair Tax." Like any true politician, they all want to claim popular ideas, which weren't their own. As more people learn about Linder's Fair Tax, I think we will see even more people love the simple ideas and more efficient system, and they the politicians will check their polls, then jump on-board.

[Smiling JOe]

I get him on WRJM 93.7 in the mornings. I am in and out of my vehicle but I know he is on around 9. Keep in mind I am mostly north of the bay.
Thanks. I found the station.

[BeachSiO2]

Congressman John Linder first introduced the "Fair Tax" Bill in 1999, and there are over 50 co-sponsors, but it is Linder who wrote the Bill first.

As for Ron Paul, I think he heavily identifies with the economic principles of Adam Smith and the "Fair Tax." Like any true politician, they all want to claim popular ideas, which weren't their own. As more people learn about Linder's Fair Tax, I think we will see even more people love the simple ideas and more efficient system, and they the politicians will check their polls, then jump on-board.

I'm a fan and have been since I read the fair tax book by Boortz and Linder:wave:

[wrobert]

Thanks. I found the station.

If you think about it, try to listen to Tim Turner on Monday nights at 5. Now that guy is a hoot. He has a conspiracy theory for just about anything that ails ya.

[scooterbug44]

Is the "fair tax" the same as the "flat tax" that was proposed by a presidential candidate way back when I was in high school? :idontno:

[Smiling JOe]

Not even close. If you want to learn more about the Fair Tax, read Linder and Boortz's book, The Fairtax Book.