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Diane4145
12-17-2007, 05:37 PM
Hard not to listen, to this!:wave: https://www.ronpaul2008.com
wrobert
12-17-2007, 05:55 PM
Hard not to listen, to this!:wave: https://www.ronpaul2008.com
Just like a power switch on the remote control. Press off and away it goes.
I just joined the Ron Paul revolution and made a contribution. I was on board with Giuliani until he shook hands with Pat Robertson. The only core principal that keeps me hanging on to the Republican Party is smaller government and Bush has completely abandoned that principal. Ron Paul has the balls to return the party to its core beliefs that aren’t religious or moral in nature.
wrobert
12-18-2007, 09:52 AM
I just joined the Ron Paul revolution and made a contribution. I was on board with Giuliani until he shook hands with Pat Robertson. The only core principal that keeps me hanging on to the Republican Party is smaller government and Bush has completely abandoned that principal. Ron Paul has the balls to return the party to its core beliefs that aren’t religious or moral in nature.
I ask this of everyone, so I am not picking on you. Ron Paul has some great ideas, but if he is not Republican nominee, will you be behind whomever that is or are you just not going to vote?
I always vote but it isn’t always based on party lines. If Giuliani gets nominated by the Republican Party I will likely vote for him. If Huckabee gets nominated I will vote for the Democratic nominee. The other candidates are still tossups for me.
Smiling JOe
12-18-2007, 10:37 AM
I always vote but it isn’t always based on party lines. If Giuliani gets nominated by the Republican Party I will likely vote for him. If Huckabee gets nominated I will vote for the Democratic nominee. The other candidates are still tossups for me.Even if Edwards or Clinton is the Dem nominee?
Well if it were Hillary versus Huckabee I'd probably close my eyes and color in a random circle on the ballot form. I will keep hoping for better choices.
Dune-AHH
12-18-2007, 11:30 AM
I ask this of everyone, so I am not picking on you. Ron Paul has some great ideas, but if he is not Republican nominee, will you be behind whomever that is or are you just not going to vote?
Chiming in here without an invitation...
1. We should all be willing to say THW voting party lines. The "machines" of both parties are so focused on the swing micro-trends (re: fringes) that they're completely out of touch with the big American CENTER.
(Pizza, regardless of the toppings, isn't truly pizza if you forget the dough).
Further...
2. Not Voting is a vote to abandon the central playing field, leaving it wide open to the fringy extremes (right & left) causing further polarization; which is not a productive course to underwrite. NOT voting is the worst possible option... it is not EVEN the lesser of 2 evils. NOT voting is ultimately a vote to abandon one's rights as an American citizen, to lay down with a whimper and a whine that "yes it's OK for the extreme fringes to make my decisions & speak for me."
3. We must all VOTE-VOTE-VOTE! As best we can.
wrobert
12-18-2007, 05:41 PM
Chiming in here without an invitation...
1. We should all be willing to say THW voting party lines. The "machines" of both parties are so focused on the swing micro-trends (re: fringes) that they're completely out of touch with the big American CENTER.
(Pizza, regardless of the toppings, isn't truly pizza if you forget the dough).
Further...
2. Not Voting is a vote to abandon the central playing field, leaving it wide open to the fringy extremes (right & left) causing further polarization; which is not a productive course to underwrite. NOT voting is the worst possible option... it is not EVEN the lesser of 2 evils. NOT voting is ultimately a vote to abandon one's rights as an American citizen, to lay down with a whimper and a whine that "yes it's OK for the extreme fringes to make my decisions & speak for me."
3. We must all VOTE-VOTE-VOTE! As best we can.
Thanks. Good post. You did get my point even though I did ask it wrong. I was not seeking support for the Republican nominee but curious if RP supporters who are now energetically involved, would do the work and continue to make a choice, any choice, when the time comes. I am very pleased to see registrations go up and the level of participation from the under 30 demographic. Efforts to energize them in the past have failed. Maybe, just maybe, a good percentage will vote next time. In Walton County, if I remember correctly, during the last election it was around 18% that participated while the over 60 group was around 80%.
Smiling JOe
12-18-2007, 06:18 PM
I am very pleased to see registrations go up and the level of participation from the under 30 demographic. Efforts to energize them in the past have failed.
You can thank youtube.com, myspace.com, and facebook.com, for getting out the <30 voters.
Smiling JOe
12-18-2007, 06:22 PM
2. Not Voting is a vote to abandon the central playing field, leaving it wide open to the fringy extremes (right & left) causing further polarization; which is not a productive course to underwrite. NOT voting is the worst possible option... it is not EVEN the lesser of 2 evils. NOT voting is ultimately a vote to abandon one's rights as an American citizen, to lay down with a whimper and a whine that "yes it's OK for the extreme fringes to make my decisions & speak for me."
Donna, some might say that we currently have the extreme fringes running the Country. Not saying that I agree, but it certainly has merit. Bush is about as extreme left as it gets when it comes to the traditional GOP.
rehdrahk
12-19-2007, 10:40 AM
Ron Paul will win the nomination, all it is going to take is for you to make sure you are Registered as a Republican before December 31 ....
Walton
http://www.votewaltoncounty.com/Registration.htm
Okaloosa
http://www.govote-okaloosa.com/content.aspx?id=12
Then mark you calenders/use permanent marker on your hand or whatever it takes to make sure you get down to your local precinct on January 29 and vote for him in the primaries.
If history proves itself correct then only between 4% and 10% (ballpark 7-11 million peeps) percent of registered voters will show up to vote in the primaries. That means that this small group will decide for the most part who gets the nomination. Now if we have a 100% turnout for Ron Paul supporters in the primaries, and the non RP votes get split amongst the other candidates, then RP will win the primaries.
It is really that simple.
wrobert
12-19-2007, 02:51 PM
Ron Paul will win the nomination, all it is going to take is for you to make sure you are Registered as a Republican before December 31 ....
Simpler yet. If you know whom you are voting for, go do it today. Complete an absentee and it is all done. A great benefit is it will remove you from the call list of everyone running.
Bdarg
12-19-2007, 02:57 PM
Donna, some might say that we currently have the extreme fringes running the Country. Not saying that I agree, but it certainly has merit. Bush is about as extreme left as it gets when it comes to the traditional GOP.
Bush is Left of something???:eek:
Smiling JOe
12-19-2007, 04:08 PM
Bush is Left of something???:eek:Well, that might be a bit of a stretch in today's GOP, but compared to the traditional GOP, yes, Bush is left on big Fed gov't and spending.
Lately, I've been thinking about these politicians, and they are mostly politicians above all else (pockets lined by big business and lobbyists). Ron Paul may be somewhat of an exception to the norm. However, I went back to the 2000 and 2004 elections and a little nobody named Ralph Nader, at least the Dems wanted to say he was insignificant, until he pulled the winning votes. In the 2000 election, Nader had some ideas on which many Dems agreed. Nader was kept out of the National Debates which are controlled by the heads of Dems and Reps. Ralph's issues were never picked up by either parties. Ralph received few votes, but enough to wake up some people. Forward to 2004, and we see Ralph again, bringing forth great issues. He met with Kerry and discussed banning together on three main issues, so that both would stand out from Bush. Nader's idea was that if the Dems brought forth these issues, Nader wouldn't be steeling the vote from the Dems, and all Nader really cared about was getting some action on the issues. Kerry later bashed Nader, and never brought Nader's issues to the Dems. When voting day came around, Kerry, who should have won by a landslide, lost votes to Nader, and lost the election. The Dems were sitting pretty, because so many people hated Bush and they voted "Against Bush" rather than "for" anyone else. The Dems would have had a field day for the next four years, because they had no one to really answer to. The voters didn't really believe in the Dems. They just didn't agree with Bush.
Bring this bit of history forward to 2008. Ron Paul has brought up great issues like cutting spending, something that the Reps have forgotten about, and the Dems have never known. Paul is the only candidate pushing for less spending. Everyone else wants to spend more. Many voters will jump into the Ron Paul Party, and the GOP will in the end, say that he took votes from the other Reps, and stirred the party. The only difference is that Paul is in the GOP, and cannot steal the votes from the GOP because he is running IN that party, rather than as an independent or Libertarian. Along that same thought is the fact that so many voters are repulsed by Hillary that if she is nominated, voters will show up heavy at the polls and vote
"against Hillary" rather than "for" anyone else. When that happens, the Reps will find themselves with no one to answer to, and the freedom to do what they wish -- no accountability to the people, only to the lobbyists and big businesses. It's a bit scary to me.
The Hillary vs Obama scene is another beast in itself. Hillary is more centered, politically, than Obama, but she is far less genuine in personality. Obama may steal the nomination from her based on his more likable personality. He looks pretty smooth on stage, even if people don't agree with much of his policy. Being that far left of center, could be very disappointing for the Country, if he is elected.
Where the hell is that socially liberal, fiscal conservative candidate??? :bang: I like many of Ron Paul's ideology, but I don't think he would be good for the entire Country, and our President SHOULD represent all Americans, not only those affiliated with a particular party. blah, blah, blah.
Well said.
Where the hell is that socially liberal, fiscal conservative candidate?
At the start Giuliani convinced me he was that socially liberal, fiscally conservative person I was looking for until he started pandering to the fringes. Now what? Too early to speculate but there is no consensus Republican candidate at this time. Personally I think the country is ready for a more viable "center" party. I feel both parties have lost touch with their core constituents.
wrobert
12-27-2007, 09:10 PM
Okay now I have seen it all. Driving north of DeFuniak Springs this afternoon, I see what appears to be nothing more than the bottoms of cardboard boxes, hand painted with "Google Ron Paul" on them, nailed to telephone polls. My daughter tells me this is all over Pensacola. I guess this is a new way of grass roots campaigning.
December 31st is the last time to change to Republican for you guys that have no affiliation or are a Democrat and wish to vote for Dr. Paul or any of the other fine Republican candidates that we are offering this year.
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