Islamic world best left alone

[Bob]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/africa/11/26/sudan.bear/index.html why we should never, ever mess with this part of the world

[scooterbug44]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/africa/11/26/sudan.bear/index.html why we should never, ever mess with this part of the world

By "this part of the world" do you mean Africa or the Middle East?

Or just anywhere one religion/religious leaders have a lot of influence/control? :idontno:

[Bob]

By "this part of the world" do you mean Africa or the Middle East?

Or just anywhere one religion/religious leaders have a lot of influence/control? :idontno:Islamic theocracies or Islamic-styled dictatorships stretching from Africa to Asia. Anywhere where the church has power to dictate individual actions in a manner reminiscent of the Middle Ages.

[scooterbug44]

Anywhere where the church has power to dictate individual actions in a manner reminiscent of the Middle Ages.

Yeah, it would definitely suck to live somewhere where the church had the power to interfere in schools, outlaw/regulate medical procedures, and dictate lifestyle choices based on their beliefs................oh, wait! :roll:

[Miss Kitty]

Yeah, it would definitely suck to live somewhere where the church had the power to interfere in schools, outlaw/regulate medical procedures, and dictate lifestyle choices based on their beliefs................oh, wait! :roll:

:floor:...omg, that was my first thought, too!

[Capricious]

"...Yeah, it would definitely suck to live somewhere where the church had the power to interfere in schools, outlaw/regulate medical procedures, and dictate lifestyle choices based on their beliefs................oh, wait"




Point well taken.

[Capricious]

Islamic theocracies or Islamic-styled dictatorships stretching from Africa to Asia. Anywhere where the church has power to dictate individual actions in a manner reminiscent of the Middle Ages.



In the West bank et. al. the Muslims are fighting the Jews.

In Lebanon the Muslims are fighting the Christians.

In Northeast Africa the Muslims are fighting the Africans.

In Pakistan/India/Kashmir the Muslims are fighting the Hindus.

In Iraq the Muslims are fighting each other.

Is there a common thread here?

[jdarg]

Yeah, it would definitely suck to live somewhere where the church had the power to interfere in schools, outlaw/regulate medical procedures, and dictate lifestyle choices based on their beliefs................oh, wait! :roll:


:wave:

[Bob]

In the West bank et. al. the Muslims are fighting the Jews.

In Lebanon the Muslims are fighting the Christians.

In Northeast Africa the Muslims are fighting the Africans.

In Pakistan/India/Kashmir the Muslims are fighting the Hindus.

In Iraq the Muslims are fighting each other.

Is there a common thread here?In Iraq, the Compassionate Conservative Christians lynched the dictator, and have no one left to fight. It takes two to tango, and the politics of the redneck south and the cowboy west have unlimited amounts of evil people to "get in on" with. Leaving people alone and living in peace just isn't profitable for some.

[Rita]

:floor:...omg, that was my first thought, too!

Islamic theocracies or Islamic-styled dictatorships stretching from Africa to Asia. Anywhere where the church has power to dictate individual actions in a manner reminiscent of the Middle Ages.

DITTO miss Kitty - my first thought was Walton Co. FL ?


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[sowalgayboi]

DITTO miss Kitty - my first thought was Walton Co. FL ?


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Let's not beat a dead horse (Blithe has it's own very long thread), but I do agree with you guys!

[Rita]

Let's not beat a dead horse (Blithe has it's own very long thread), but I do agree with you guys!

:roll: chill

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[Miss Kitty]

:roll: chill

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:floor:

[SHELLY]

....As long as we don't need their oil.....OR MONEY:

Wait a minute!....this just in.........................


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Abu Dhabi to Bolster Citigroup With $7.5 Billion Capital Infusion

Citigroup Inc., seeking to restore investor confidence amid massive losses due in credit markets and a lack of permanent leadership, is receiving a $7.5 billion capital infusion from the investment arm of the Abu Dhabi government.

The investment by the Abu Dhabi Investment Authority will help rebuild Citigroup's capital levels, which have been eroded by a credit crunch that began in the summer. Citigroup Chief Executive Officer and Chairman Charles Prince resigned earlier this month after the bank, which had already written off billions of dollars, said it was facing as much as $11 billion more in losses.


(The subprime mortgage meltdown is 'contained'....nothing to see here folks, just keep moving along.)


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[Mango]

Abu Dhabi to Bolster Citigroup With $7.5 Billion Capital Infusion [/B]

Citigroup Inc., seeking to restore investor confidence amid massive losses due in credit markets and a lack of permanent leadership, is receiving a $7.5 billion capital infusion from the investment arm of the Abu Dhabi government.

The investment by the Abu Dhabi Investment Authority will help rebuild Citigroup's capital levels, which have been eroded by a credit crunch that began in the summer. Citigroup Chief Executive Officer and Chairman Charles Prince resigned earlier this month after the bank, which had already written off billions of dollars, said it was facing as much as $11 billion more in losses.
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They were the only ones to show up to Bernanke's tea party. No one else invited had any gas money.

[sowalgayboi]

:roll: chill

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http://www.websmileys.com/sm/cool/cool33.gif

[Bob]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21990838/ charcoal grilled teddy bear

[CampCreekLou]

Yeah, it would definitely suck to live somewhere where the church had the power to interfere in schools, outlaw/regulate medical procedures, and dictate lifestyle choices based on their beliefs................oh, wait! :roll:

First line of the story:

"Sudan has arrested a British teacher for insulting faith and religion, the British Foreign Office said Monday."

If that were the case here, you'd all be arrested.

:roll:

[Bob]

First line of the story:

"Sudan has arrested a British teacher for insulting faith and religion, the British Foreign Office said Monday."

If that were the case here, you'd all be arrested.

:roll:Let me be first in line to insult the religious rajahs of the airwaves in America. They do evil right!

[Bob]

....As long as we don't need their oil.....OR MONEY:

Wait a minute!....this just in.........................


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Abu Dhabi to Bolster Citigroup With $7.5 Billion Capital Infusion

Citigroup Inc., seeking to restore investor confidence amid massive losses due in credit markets and a lack of permanent leadership, is receiving a $7.5 billion capital infusion from the investment arm of the Abu Dhabi government.

The investment by the Abu Dhabi Investment Authority will help rebuild Citigroup's capital levels, which have been eroded by a credit crunch that began in the summer. Citigroup Chief Executive Officer and Chairman Charles Prince resigned earlier this month after the bank, which had already written off billions of dollars, said it was facing as much as $11 billion more in losses.


(The subprime mortgage meltdown is 'contained'....nothing to see here folks, just keep moving along.)


.If the trillion in Iraq is survivable, do you see doomsday from the billions being written off here? The Arabs here are just covering their rears because they've got major prior investment.

[CampCreekLou]

Let me be first in line to insult the religious rajahs of the airwaves in America. They do evil right!

Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil.

[up4golf]

make airline seats of pigskin and only serve pork on airline flights plus make everyone eat a hotdog at the incoming customs stations at airports

[scooterbug44]

Lovely idea! :roll:

Think the Jewish passengers might object though!

And the vegetarians.

And anyone who has a brain FTLOG!

[Bob]

Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil.Be careful of those who pay no taxes, live in the lap of luxury, profess to care for the poor, troll for money 24/7 on cable TV. Only in America can some criminals pose as religious figures.

[Bob]

Ted Haggard, Oral Roberts University graduate, meth and male prostitute addict

[Bob]

Benny Hinn, subject of Senate investigation,given an "F" rating by ministry watch, claims he can heal anyone of anything

[Bob]

Eddie Long, subject of Senate investigation, multi million dollar salary from charities

[Bob]

Creflo Dollar,subject of Senate investigation,2 Rolls-Royces,million dollar homes in NC and NYC, graduate of Oral Roberts University,

[Bob]

Joyce Meyer, subject of Senate investigation,private jet, multiple homes, expenses include 23k commode and 30k meeting table

[Bob]

Kenneth Copeland, subject of Senate investigation,20 million dollar Cessna Jet

[Bob]

Paula White, subject of senate investigation, took in 40 million in '06

[Bob]

Jim Bakker, Pat Robertson protege and PTL founder,bilked millions

[Bob]

Pat Robertson, 70s/80s faith healer,invested 8 million dollars in Liberian gold mine under the regime of strongman Charles Taylor, owned 500k racing horse called Mr. Pat, claimed to steer Hurricane Gloria with prayer in 1985, and Hurricane Felix in 1995.

[Bob]

Jimmy Swaggert, multi millionaire prostitute hound

[Bob]

There's a factory somewhere deep in the heartland churning these folks out.

[up4golf]

can't process a joke in your tin can? scooter

[Beach Runner]

Bob, I take it that you have strong feelings about this. Hey, you know, they are crazy emeffers as compared to us. We can't relate to people who would commit suicide for their religious beliefs. Heck, most of us don't even go to church on Sunday. There's no way we can "get" their mindset.

It reminds me of the course I taught from the book "Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid." Parts of the book deals with how you can only make decisions based on the set of internal rules that you have. For example, if you are insane, the decisions that you make are based on your own set of rules that are inarguably faulty, but to you, they are logical.

I am not optimistic that we will ever solve the "Middle East Problem." They are coming from such a different set of rules that we don't understand them, and vice versa. I think that GW naïvely dove into this war and didn't realize the vastness of the cultural gap between us. This is a war that we will never win. Even if we nuke the Middle East, there is some crazy (relative to our rules) and smart person out there with enough knowledge derived from the Internet that they can nuke us back.

Disclaimer: politics is not my area of expertise, but I do have expertise in formal language theory which is the abstraction of our personal set of beliefs that guide our thinking, à la "Gödel, Escher, Bach."

[Bob]

I could put up dozens more smaller players here. Religion is a powerful force for good and evil. The Islamic world has no tolerance, and we have so much that people can con in the name of God.

[Mango]

For example, if you are insane, the decisions that you make are based on your own set of rules that are inarguably faulty, but to you, they are logical.


I always knew I was right.

[sowalgayboi]

Paula White, subject of senate investigation, took in 40 million in '06

Is that an alien? I wonder how much of that 40 mil went to plastic surgery and Tammy Fay (A true christian to the end) makeup?

BTW Bob, you batting 1000 on this one.

Oh and just to head it off, I don't have a problem with religion, I have a problem with those that use it to line there own pockets. Jesus was po!

[Beach Runner]

I always knew I was right.
Clever.;-)

[Beach Runner]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/africa/11/26/sudan.bear/index.html why we should never, ever mess with this part of the world
BTW that's why my husband won't let me accompany him on his trips to that part of the world. He's afraid I'll be assertive and end up in jail or worse. Let's see, for starters, it po's me that women have to cover up and can't drive cars... And you can't drink alcohol but yet killing someone for your religious beliefs is okay ...

[CampCreekLou]

Jimmy Swaggert, multi millionaire prostitute hound

Bob, this is so 1980's!

In the 80's:
Biggest Fake Concern: Televangelists
Biggest Real Concern: Soviet Union

In the 00's:
Biggest Fake Concern: Global Warming
Biggest Real Concern: Muslim fascists

Get with the times!

[Bob]

Bob, this is so 1980's!

In the 80's:
Biggest Fake Concern: Televangelists
Biggest Real Concern: Soviet Union

In the 00's:
Biggest Fake Concern: Global Warming
Biggest Real Concern: Muslim fascists

Get with the times!Those folks are still around, taking money from people who can usually least afford to give. You give them a pass, and I call them out. That's ok by me, but their behavior is as anti-Christian as can be.

[scooterbug44]

Oh and just to head it off, I don't have a problem with religion, I have a problem with those that use it to line there own pockets. Jesus was po!

:clap:

I love it when you PUI!

At first read I thought it said Jesus was peesed off, not poor!

Think it's time to throw the moneylenders out of the temple again!

[hnooe]

So...does this mean, in a general sense, that a few "supposed" Christians will steal if given the oppty. and that a few "supposed" Muslims will murder if given the oppty.?

Thank GOD for the seperation in powers of Church and State!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[scooterbug44]

I think it means no one gets to win the "my religion is better than yours" game. :roll:

[Bob]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22007049/ this would be America without the bill of rights. Pope Falwell charges Bob with blasphemy and insubordination against God LLC.

[hnooe]

The Lesson: Power, whether political, economic, or religious.... eventually corrupts.

[sowalgayboi]

Bob, this is so 1980's!

In the 80's:
Biggest Fake Concern: Televangelists
Biggest Real Concern: Soviet Union

In the 00's:
Biggest Fake Concern: Global Warming
Biggest Real Concern: Muslim fascists

Get with the times!

I strongly disagree with this. What was the big concern? They were going to collapse and the US would have to bail them out? Oh wait the official story at the time was that they were super powerful and just waiting to take us over. They were going to get mad at us and nuke us? Oh that's right turns out most of the equipment was rusting in the ground and about to fall apart.

It seems to me that in 2050 you'll be on here reminding us what a decider not a divider W was.

[Bob]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/africa/11/29/sudan.bears/index.html endgame....jail and deportation

[LightWorker]

Poor Lady...I just don't get it!! :idontno:

[Bob]

Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-osteen2907nov29,0,5322435.story?coll=orl_tab01_lay out this guy appears to be good

[scooterbug44]

Love that it was a co-worker, not an upset parent that sicked the religious police on her!

I don't get why it's so bad to name a teddy bear that - if it was a dog or another "unclean animal" I could understand the uproar. :idontno:

[hnooe]

Jimmy Swaggert, multi millionaire prostitute hound


Bob....You missed one--this one just in, oh that Oral Roberts Jr!...

[/URL][URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20071128/oral-roberts-scandal/"]Roberts Says God Forced His Resignation. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20071128/oral-roberts-scandal/)

[sowalgayboi]

http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/mba0409l.jpg

[raven]

Yeah, it would definitely suck to live somewhere where the church had the power to interfere in schools, outlaw/regulate medical procedures, and dictate lifestyle choices based on their beliefs................oh, wait! :roll:

i'd like to say this guy has travelled outside is 10sqmile all white permieter, but with his american bashing facist view of our country, i seriously doubt it. um..perhaps that's your experience in america, but you must live in a very different america and you probably have very little experience living abroad. it's so tragic hearing american-bashing idiots who simply have no clue about the rest of the world.

of course the church doesn't dictate schools and lifestyle choices. we are a republic and a democracy. as an early aids activist i am extremely thankful to live in a country that paid attention until europe, asia and africa. i recommend you go live in a country with sharia law before you go comparing america's democracy to that. it's TRAGIC how uneducated some people are.

as for suggest we "don't bother with the part of the world" what a silly sentiment. for those of us who have travelled the world and the country we know that "not going there" simply won't protect us. i realize that there aren't any mosques in destin, but clearly you must realize that is not reflective of the rest of the country.

[raven]

In Iraq, the Compassionate Conservative Christians lynched the dictator, and have no one left to fight. It takes two to tango, and the politics of the redneck south and the cowboy west have unlimited amounts of evil people to "get in on" with. Leaving people alone and living in peace just isn't profitable for some.

case in point! this is somebody who is so obsessed with their small little world where they believe christianity dominates. seriously. get out much?
do i believe you have an issue with christians? yeah. do i believe that's the issue the rest of the thinking world faces..um nope.

enjoy living in your little white box with no window on the world.

[scooterbug44]

i'd like to say this guy has travelled outside is 10sqmile all white permieter, but with his american bashing facist view of our country, i seriously doubt it. um..perhaps that's your experience in america, but you must live in a very different america and you probably have very little experience living abroad. it's so tragic hearing american-bashing idiots who simply have no clue about the rest of the world.


That wasn't an "America bashing fascist view" that was sarcasm, designed to make people realize that such actions (in varying degrees) were not limited to Islamic countries before they jumped on the anti-Islam bandwagon.

I agree it is definitely "tragic" how uneducated some people are. They jump to conclusions, miss the point of posts, and lose their message in word jumble style replies. :roll:

[fisher]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/africa/11/26/sudan.bear/index.html why we should never, ever mess with this part of the world

Isolationism and pacifism won't work these days. The radicals in these countries want us and the rest of the west wiped off the face of the planet and the entire world ruled by strict Islamic law.

Leave them totally alone and they will build nuclear weapons, armies and weapons systems with all the oil money. Some of these weapons will eventually end up in the hands of the radical elements and make their way onto our shores and into Europe (Russia and China would be next--the Chinese gov't would not be looked upon with pleasure by radical islamists after they got rid of the west).

A simplistic look at the world through rose colored glasses that says we can all coexist in peace is ridiculous. Please name a lengthy time in history when we were not at war or when there was not a significant threat looming over us. Unfortunately, our species is prone to violence and war due to the need for power. I say we do everything we can to protect our freedom including taking it to the streets in the Middle East where appropriate.

[fisher]

In Iraq, the Compassionate Conservative Christians lynched the dictator, and have no one left to fight. It takes two to tango, and the politics of the redneck south and the cowboy west have unlimited amounts of evil people to "get in on" with. Leaving people alone and living in peace just isn't profitable for some.

Just who was living in peace prior to us invading Iraq. Certainly not the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed or tortured by Saddam. Certainly not the New Yorkers, Washingtontonians and others terrorized by 4 planes on Sept 11 2001. Certainly not the Israelis or Palestinians? What part of the planet are you talking about that is living in peace? There have always been and always will be wars and rumors of wars. So, we need to do everything we can to protect our soil and freedom.

Also, how many Al Qaeda operatives and other terrorists have been killed by US and Iraqi forces since the war began?? How ever many it is--these folks can no longer make it to the US to terrorize us on our soil.

[fisher]

Be careful of those who pay no taxes, live in the lap of luxury, profess to care for the poor, troll for money 24/7 on cable TV. Only in America can some criminals pose as religious figures.

Are you trying to compare some greedy, self centered people trying to get rich off religion with the Islamic radicals? Come on.

There is no comparison between Saddam, OBL, and other islamic fundamentalists and the Christian "leaders" you refer to here. If we were ruled by Islamic law, there would be women killed because they were raped and the rapists would stay in jail for a couple of weeks. School teachers would be threatened with death or killed for allowing their students to name a teddy bear Mohammed. Hands would be cut off for stealing. Girls would not go to school. Women would not drive, vote or be seen in public without full body covering. Etc, etc.

If the conservative Christians totally got control of government, you might have abortion outlawed, an expansion of the death penalty, less government assistance for the poor, etc.

You cannot compare radical islamic leadership to conservative Christian televangelists. Their are varying degrees of evil.

[fisher]

case in point! this is somebody who is so obsessed with their small little world where they believe christianity dominates. seriously. get out much?
do i believe you have an issue with christians? yeah. do i believe that's the issue the rest of the thinking world faces..um nope.

enjoy living in your little white box with no window on the world.

Well said.

[LightWorker]

Teacher in Teddy Bear Case Arrives Home - AOL News (http://news.aol.com/story/_a/teacher-in-teddy-bear-case-arrives-home/20071203065309990001)

[Bob]

Are you trying to compare some greedy, self centered people trying to get rich off religion with the Islamic radicals? Come on.

There is no comparison between Saddam, OBL, and other islamic fundamentalists and the Christian "leaders" you refer to here. If we were ruled by Islamic law, there would be women killed because they were raped and the rapists would stay in jail for a couple of weeks. School teachers would be threatened with death or killed for allowing their students to name a teddy bear Mohammed. Hands would be cut off for stealing. Girls would not go to school. Women would not drive, vote or be seen in public without full body covering. Etc, etc.

If the conservative Christians totally got control of government, you might have abortion outlawed, an expansion of the death penalty, less government assistance for the poor, etc.

You cannot compare radical islamic leadership to conservative Christian televangelists. Their are varying degrees of evil.Iwas conversing w/ CC Lou

[Bob]

Just who was living in peace prior to us invading Iraq. Certainly not the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed or tortured by Saddam. Certainly not the New Yorkers, Washingtontonians and others terrorized by 4 planes on Sept 11 2001. Certainly not the Israelis or Palestinians? What part of the planet are you talking about that is living in peace? There have always been and always will be wars and rumors of wars. So, we need to do everything we can to protect our soil and freedom.

Also, how many Al Qaeda operatives and other terrorists have been killed by US and Iraqi forces since the war began?? How ever many it is--these folks can no longer make it to the US to terrorize us on our soil.9-11 never had anything to do with Iraq, and all the hand wringing and pointing out of evil in the world won't justify taking down Saddam Hussein.

[Capricious]

Kinda strange that Islam would come up with this:



http://tinyurl.com/2eqo4f

[scooterbug44]

Kinda strange that Islam would come up with this:



http://tinyurl.com/2eqo4f

It's not strange at all for a religion that allows multiple wifes and isn't big on women's rights in any way, shape or form. :roll:

[Capricious]

"...9-11 never had anything to do with Iraq..."




Some people have yet to catch-on to this.

[Capricious]

It's not strange at all for a religion that allows multiple wifes and isn't big on women's rights in any way, shape or form. :roll:




One will find a few such religions around here as well.