Bhutto, Pakistan, nukes, Taliban discussion.

[jodiFL]

I am sure that you have all heard what is going on in Pakistan. Does anyone else think that President Gen. Pervez Musharraf is a far worse threat to the rest of the world than our good ol' Bushbaby (http://www.monkeyland.co.za/modules/article/dbimages/article/bushbaby3.jpg)? I mean they ARE a nuclear nation (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21660667/) and large parts of said nation hare currently being taken over by Taliban extremists while this person that just "suspended the constitution of Pakistan" on the eve of what was supposed to be a democratic election, is more worried about keeping his political rivals under house arrest (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21683231/). I think with all the focus on the USs actions right now that this guy is seriously becoming a threat to the world as we know it.

[goodwitch58]

perhaps, but Bush is one of his biggest supporters....

[jodiFL]

I believe that might be past tense now. Bush and our government have issued warnings to him but I can honestly say that really going after Musharraf in a public way right now would be very detrimental to OUR nation.

[jodiFL]

MOUNT VERNON, Virginia (CNN) -- President Bush and French President Nicolas Sarkozy on Wednesday called on Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf to hold planned elections and to step down from the military.
French President Nicolas Sarkozy joined President Bush in demanding elections in Pakistan.
"My message was very plain, very easy to understand: The United States wants you to have the elections as scheduled, and I want you to take the uniform off," Bush said of his telephone conversation with Musharraf earlier in the day.
On Saturday, Musharraf imposed an emergency order in the country -- suspending the constitution and arresting hundreds of human rights activists and lawyers -- in what he said was a necessary move to fight terrorism.
Sarkozy agreed that the elections must take place as scheduled.
"We need to have elections [in Pakistan] as swiftly as possible," he said. "This is a country of 150 million people, which happens to have nuclear weapons. This is very important for us that one day, we shouldn't wake up with a government, an administration in Pakistan which is in the hands of the extremists."

[rehdrahk]

It is hard to say if "Bush" and "Mush" are going to still be phone tag buddies after this incident ... I think the biggest scare is that Pakistan was able to issue Marshall Law so quickly and effectively.

One other thing that frightens me about this situation is that we are being dented by the opposition in IRAQ with unconventional weapons such as IEDs and now there is the possibility that on the flip side of IRAN we may be dealing with a force that is well organized and equipped to do some serious damage.

Interesting Info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons

Map:
http://fortwaltonweb.com/MEmap.jpg

[jodiFL]

It is hard to say if "Bush" and "Mush" are going to still be phone tag buddies after this incident ... I think the biggest scare is that Pakistan was able to issue Marshall Law so quickly and effectively.
Exactly, along with the fact that we havent even begun to hear about the media blackouts occurring there as we type this. Sounds alot like they might be close to shutting down the internet/media/communications much like what happened in Burma.

[rancid]

I am sure that you have all heard what is going on in Pakistan. Does anyone else think that President Gen. Pervez Musharraf is a far worse threat to the rest of the world than our good ol' Bushbaby (http://www.monkeyland.co.za/modules/article/dbimages/article/bushbaby3.jpg)? I mean they ARE a nuclear nation (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21660667/) and large parts of said nation hare currently being taken over by Taliban extremists while this person that just "suspended the constitution of Pakistan" on the eve of what was supposed to be a democratic election, is more worried about keeping his political rivals under house arrest (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21683231/). I think with all the focus on the USs actions right now that this guy is seriously becoming a threat to the world as we know it.

I think it might be time for the U.S to back off meddling in foreign governments affairs. Our record lately is abysmal. Last time I checked, we built up the Perv's military for him.
Lets summarize:
We overthrow an elected gov't in Iran and install the Shah to protect our oil corporations.
Next we arm the mujahadeen to fight the Russians.
Then we aid Saddam to fight Iran.
Next we attack saddam twice.
the mujahadeen morphs into the Taliban and attacks with our own weapons, so we invade their country too.
We build up Pakistan's army for various dictators over the last 20 to 30 years to fend of socialist India.
Now Pakistan is overrun with the same Taliban ( who used to be our friends as the mujahadeen then our enemy) who are about to control nuclear weapons if we don't prop up the dictator who is suppressing democracy.
Yeah hell of a job. Could we have screwed it up any more if we tried to?

[Bob]

I think it might be time for the U.S to back off meddling in foreign governments affairs. Our record lately is abysmal. Last time I checked, we built up the Perv's military for him.
Lets summarize:
We overthrow an elected gov't in Iran and install the Shah to protect our oil corporations.
Next we arm the mujahadeen to fight the Russians.
Then we aid Saddam to fight Iran.
Next we attack saddam twice.
the mujahadeen morphs into the Taliban and attacks with our own weapons, so we invade their country too.
We build up Pakistan's army for various dictators over the last 20 to 30 years to fend of socialist India.
Now Pakistan is overrun with the same Taliban ( who used to be our friends as the mujahadeen then our enemy) who are about to control nuclear weapons if we don't prop up the dictator who is suppressing democracy.
Yeah hell of a job. Could we have screwed it up any more if we tried to?Maybe we could build reliable cars that don't use oil....nah, forget it

[goodwitch58]

go read Fiasco for a play by play of how we screwed up...at least the Iraq part--and the same players are still in place (even if they aren't in their DC jobs)

[Randy_McMurphy]

ummm. They all suck. So do we for propping up all of the puppet regimes that we have that have come back and bit us on the ass. I could go on, but so could we all.........
Y'ever see the photos/film footage of Rummy handshaking and or embracing Saddam?
There ya' have it.