Liar liar your pants

[Bob]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=EYI7JXGqd0o are up in flames!

[Miss Kitty]

:lie:your nose is longer than a telephone wire.

[Andy A.]

Any ol' extreme left wing diatribe, huh Bob?

[seacrestkristi]

Government liar liar pants on fire re children overboard
http://www.nicholsoncartoons.com.au/cartoons/new/2001.11.09%20Nov%20pants%20on%20fire%20kids%20thro w%20850.JPG

[Bob]

Any ol' extreme left wing diatribe, huh Bob?No,Andy A., I am a registered Republican, and this collective group of lying idiots have f'ed our country and our party. Or is that not all that easy to grasp right now?

[hnooe]

How did intelligent people lose sight of reason on all fronts. If the American people don't continue to question Authority, Congress, or whomever is currently President, then, as a people, and as a country (both Dem. and Repub.) we are doomed.

God Save the United States of America, and may the middle class revolution begin shortly!

[Andy A.]

No,Andy A., I am a registered Republican, and this collective group of lying idiots have f'ed our country and our party. Or is that not all that easy to grasp right now?
No, it is not easy to grasp right now, particularly since every post you make comes across as both left wing and usually clueless as well. And, no, I'm not talking about all the "facts" you use to back yourself up, I'm talking about what appears to be your lack of good old "common sense". As an example, everyone now knows WMD's were not found in Iraq. Whether they had previously been there or not is another question. But to use a video depicting speeches made before the Iraq war as "lies" is the old saw of revisionist history. What the administration thought at the time based on the intelligence they had is not necessarily justification for calling them all "liars". Misinformed? Yes. Flawed intelligence? Yes. Missing WMDs. Yes. But liars, not necessarily. Maybe you should look at what the present Congress with Ms Pelosi has done if you are really a Republican and reorder some of your priorlties. Needless to say, I am also a registered Republican who is not please with a lot of what Bush says and does but with a different take on things than you. I see the continuation of the present Congressional situation and the election of ANY of the Democrat Party candidates as a disaster for people, such as myself, who have worked, served their country and taken care of their own and others. We worked for what we have and we deserve to enjoy it.

[Bobby J]

No, it is not easy to grasp right now, particularly since every post you make comes across as both left wing and usually clueless as well. And, no, I'm not talking about all the "facts" you use to back yourself up, I'm talking about what appears to be your lack of good old "common sense". As an example, everyone now knows WMD's were not found in Iraq. Whether they had previously been there or not is another question. But to use a video depicting speeches made before the Iraq war as "lies" is the old saw of revisionist history. What the administration thought at the time based on the intelligence they had is not necessarily justification for calling them all "liars". Misinformed? Yes. Flawed intelligence? Yes. Missing WMDs. Yes. But liars, not necessarily. Maybe you should look at what the present Congress with Ms Pelosi has done if you are really a Republican and reorder some of your priorlties. Needless to say, I am also a registered Republican who is not please with a lot of what Bush says and does but with a different take on things than you. I see the continuation of the present Congressional situation and the election of ANY of the Democrat Party candidates as a disaster for people, such as myself, who have worked, served their country and taken care of their own and others. We worked for what we have and we deserve to enjoy it.


I am way confused on the "War in Iraq". I feel that if the Administration was "misinformed", "Flawed Intelligence", why are we still there? It seems we would acknowledge our error and move on. I "was" also a registered Republican and now embarrassed to admit it.
Andy, thank you for your service. Just trying to understand.

[Bob]

No, it is not easy to grasp right now, particularly since every post you make comes across as both left wing and usually clueless as well. And, no, I'm not talking about all the "facts" you use to back yourself up, I'm talking about what appears to be your lack of good old "common sense". As an example, everyone now knows WMD's were not found in Iraq. Whether they had previously been there or not is another question. But to use a video depicting speeches made before the Iraq war as "lies" is the old saw of revisionist history. What the administration thought at the time based on the intelligence they had is not necessarily justification for calling them all "liars". Misinformed? Yes. Flawed intelligence? Yes. Missing WMDs. Yes. But liars, not necessarily. Maybe you should look at what the present Congress with Ms Pelosi has done if you are really a Republican and reorder some of your priorlties. Needless to say, I am also a registered Republican who is not please with a lot of what Bush says and does but with a different take on things than you. I see the continuation of the present Congressional situation and the election of ANY of the Democrat Party candidates as a disaster for people, such as myself, who have worked, served their country and taken care of their own and others. We worked for what we have and we deserve to enjoy it.You ,as a veteran, should not give a pass on this trumped up war. This is what happens when you have two bad choices for President. Depending on the month, we are burning 100-400 million dollars a day for nothing other than the poor choice of an idiot President seeking revenge. The next time the Republicans serve up someone capable of running our country into the ground, whilst alienating his party to the American people, I ask you to think twice about your vote. You and I are partly responsible for this disaster, and as I see it, grown men need to stand up and call out this garbage. It's embarrassing! If patriotic people are made to feel like cowards and traitors for questioning a government out of control, what kind of country do you really have? The Republicans need to nominate someone capable of fixing this mess we are in. If Hillary is elected, send GW a thank you note for his "service". He's serviced us well.

[Andy A.]

You ,as a veteran, should not give a pass on this trumped up war. This is what happens when you have two bad choices for President. Depending on the month, we are burning 100-400 million dollars a day for nothing other than the poor choice of an idiot President seeking revenge. The next time the Republicans serve up someone capable of running our country into the ground, whilst alienating his party to the American people, I ask you to think twice about your vote. You and I are partly responsible for this disaster, and as I see it, grown men need to stand up and call out this garbage. It's embarrassing! If patriotic people are made to feel like cowards and traitors for questioning a government out of control, what kind of country do you really have? The Republicans need to nominate someone capable of fixing this mess we are in. If Hillary is elected, send GW a thank you note for his "service". He's serviced us well.
GW isn't the only one who has f****d us. There is plenty of blame to go around. Witness the present Democrat House of Representatives. If there was ever an example for "term limits" it is them. As far as the Iraq war is concerned, no, I wasn't for "invading" Iraq. We should have just ignored Saddam's flaunting of UN resolutions and shooting at our planes in the "No Fly Zone" until he did something really bad and we had a better reason for what was done. Since I will soon be 77 years old, I could go on and on but what's the use? History will be ignored by those who won't learn from it or revised to their way of thinking. Sorry, but IMHO, that is America today. I wish it weren't so, but I'm afraid it is. And, Bob, thank you for your appreciation of my service, but from a lot I see today, it might have been in vain.

[seacrestkristi]

The veteran I know that thinks Hillary is the smartest candidate out there lives in Jax and is 84 years old. He won all kinds of metals in the war. He saved lots of lives. He is so sweet. He's battling prostate cancer now. :wub:
Andy A you served and I thank you too. I am very :( you say your service may have been in vain. I don't really get it! :confused: Any other vets feel this way? Is it because of your fellow citizens or because of the government? :( Sorry.

[Bobby J]

GW isn't the only one who has f****d us. There is plenty of blame to go around. Witness the present Democrat House of Representatives. If there was ever an example for "term limits" it is them. As far as the Iraq war is concerned, no, I wasn't for "invading" Iraq. We should have just ignored Saddam's flaunting of UN resolutions and shooting at our planes in the "No Fly Zone" until he did something really bad and we had a better reason for what was done. Since I will soon be 77 years old, I could go on and on but what's the use? History will be ignored by those who won't learn from it or revised to their way of thinking. Sorry, but IMHO, that is America today. I wish it weren't so, but I'm afraid it is. And, Bob, thank you for your appreciation of my service, but from a lot I see today, it might have been in vain.

I would not believe your service is in vain at all. I salute folks that have served. I am just very confused on this war and everytime I look for someone to try to explain it they seem as lost as I am. They first start with the WMD theory. Then start talking about Saddam being evil and "they" are better off without him. The problem I do not get is: There are no WMD and Saddam is gone. What are we doing? War on terror? That is not what we were told going into this when everyone (Dems., Rep) agreed to go over to Iraq. It looks like our entire government needs a new way of thinking. The people of this country are way ready for that. I just do not seem to see the answer running or in office. Help!?

[goodwitch58]

I What are we doing? War on terror? That is not what we were told going into this when everyone (Dems., Rep) agreed to go over to Iraq. It looks like our entire government needs a new way of thinking. The people of this country are way ready for that. I just do not seem to see the answer running or in office. Help!?

BobbyJ, I couldn't agree more: we need people to get outraged at what is happening, and contact their Congressional Delegation, the media, and anyone else they can think of...We need a revolution.

The general public is way ahead of the politicians and somehow we have to get their attention before more people die. I try to read everything I can find; and then contact the congressional leaders--sometimes they listen, sometimes not, but I feel it is my duty to at least bring my feelings to their attention. If enough people do this, then it does make a difference.

I believe we also need to hold the media accountable for the lousy job most of them did during the run up to the war; and many continue to do nothing even still. I have my own (strong) political opinions, but at this point, it doesn't matter where you are R or D or I...nothing is working and no one is doing much about it. Writing to the heads of the networks, the advertisers, and sponsors does get some attention.

For some of the background and to know just how bad some things are I suggest reading Fiasco by Thomas Ricks, the Washington Post reporter--who also wrote for the Wall St Journal for almost 20 years; State of Denial by Bob Woodward; and take a listen to the transcript of Gen Wesley Clark's address to the Commonwealth Club this week. Gleaned from all of this plus lots more...from the Weekly Standard and the National Review...is an answer for why we went to war. Not a very pretty picture, but the reasoning can be untangled.

And for those veterans among us, it is telling that a vast majority of the Armed Forces leadership opposed the war. Apparently Gen Myers was picked as Chairman of the Chiefs , rather than Adm. Clark, because he would not go against Rumsfeld; many of the "on the ground" troops and officiers have risked their careers to voice their opposition...especially for the lack of a strategy...and many state department employees have resigned in protest. Now, some of them are refusing to take an assignment in Iraq...

John Dean's book, Broken Government, seems to sum it all up...Ultimately, though, it is up to the people of this country to hold our elected officials accountable. If we don't, then who will?