The Ron Paul "Money Bomb"

[bdc63]

Have you guys (fellow supporters?) heard about this? (from a newsletter that I subscribe to):

“Please send out an alert to your subscribers (or on the air) regarding the Ron Paul "money bomb" on Nov 5th.
If you haven't heard, we are trying to get 100,000 people to donate $100 on that day. The idea is to raise the most amount of money in one day than any other candidate in history and in turn get media attention to get Ron Paul's message of liberty and freedom out to the public. Anything you can do to help in this effort is much appreciated.

The link: https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/ (https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/)

The tally seems to be going up by about $3K to $4K per minute. It has crossed over $6M ($3.2M since midnight), and he now lays claim to the biggest one day internet fund raising EVER. He even has a shot at the biggest one day, all-method one day fund raising title.

http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272617065.shtml

http://www.usadaily.com/article.cfm?articleID=151026

Go Ron.

[cp]

Oh please not another revolution!:bang:

[Bdarg]

More of a BS bomb than a money bomb. IMO.

The question is should we be:

:eek: ?

:angry: ?

:idontno: ?

or my current favorite :pissed: ?

[jdarg]

Colbert gets more mainstream media attention than Ron Paul. Wonder why?:idontno: I can't find much info about Ron Paul except on Ron Paul supporter sites, which don't appear very credible.

[scooterbug44]

He did set the record - for Republicans, Hilary still has him beat overall.

Nutjob w/ a cult following IMO!

[BeachSiO2]

He did set the record - for Republicans, Hilary still has him beat overall.

Nutjob w/ a cult following IMO!

Sounds like Dean in the last go-'round ;-)

[Bob]

If Ron Paul ends up as an independent candidate, we all get Hillary for President. Paul will take far more Repub votes away ala Ross Perot.

[Bob]

He did set the record - for Republicans, Hilary still has him beat overall.

Nutjob w/ a cult following IMO!That "nutjob" graduated from the Duke University School of Medicine, has served in the military as a flight surgeon,and has delivered over 4,000 babies as an OB/GYN. He is the only Republican candidate to vote against the war in Iraq.

[scooterbug44]

That "nutjob" graduated from the Duke University School of Medicine, has served in the military as a flight surgeon,and has delivered over 4,000 babies as an OB/GYN. He is the only Republican candidate to vote against the war in Iraq.

Sorry, nutjob was a snap judgment based on his fundraising campaign using Guy Fawkes (a thwarted assassin of the king) and the movie "V for Vendetta" as a rallying point and the lingering bad taste from factfinder's posts.

I have now visited his campaign website and read his position on various issues, so I can now dislike him based on his stances on immigration, gun control, social security, abortion, food & drug regulation, and taxes. Too bad, as his stance on the war was spot on.

[seaside2]

If Ron Paul ends up as an independent candidate, we all get Hillary for President. Paul will take far more Repub votes away ala Ross Perot.

Agree. Folks need to think about the consequences of thier vote.

[scooterbug44]

Does he have enough of a following that it would be a factor? Most of his positions seem extreme.

[rehdrahk]

It seems silly to me that the typical rebuttal to The current "Ron Paul" movement is that of misinformation. Also, the direct attack on a man's character in which it is obvious most of have not done their homework is also disingenuous.

And before direct attacks are flooded my way about being a spam bot or something else to the contrary, let me state that I have been a resident of Okaloosa and Walton counties since 1988. I am currently employed by a well established company in the area and also run my own local business.

To get to the point, I enjoy using these forums to become informed as to what is going on in the SOWAL area, mostly keeping up with the music and business scene.

It intrigues me that with what appears to be a well informed group, not to mention very closely knit community, that fair debate could not presented within this "Political Forum"?

So I place the challenge to those who are willing to have an educated discussion to view the following video and peruse the following site in order to make an educated decision on the newsworthy subject of the November 5th "Money Bomb".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYk8UFSBPew

Here is the true data available to the public online:
http://www.fec.gov/finance/disclosure/norcansea.shtml

[scooterbug44]

I'm basing my opinions on his written statements of what he represents and believes from the candidate's own web site.

www.ronpaul2008.com

[rehdrahk]

More of a BS bomb than a money bomb. IMO.

Nutjob w/ a cult following IMO!

I guess my post was directed to these statements ... I am glad that you took the time to review his site and make a personal, educated decision on his running platform.

It still befuddles me, that when a candidate with such a respective stance on what the original intentions of America were, as a free nation, preaches to us that it is important that we recognize that we are loosing personal freedoms and liberty granted to us by the law of the land, that he is considered an extremist or in your words a "nutjob".

I am not by any means trying to sway your vote and pound a "Ron Paul" agenda down your throat, I have on my own time, with diligent research, come to my own personal conclusion that he is the closest representative of what I believe we as a country should stand for and portray to others across the globe.

I would only suggest that as a citizen you closely examine what has occurred in the last 24 years and ask yourself ... are we as group of free individuals willing to make a change ... and become representatives of what a free nation is instead of a free nation pushing representation on the world.

1980 - Bush Sr VP
1984 - Bush Sr VP
1988 - Bush Sr Pres
1992 - B. Clinton Pres
1996 - B. Clinton Pres
2000 - Bush Jr Pres
2004 - Bush Jr Pres
2008 - H. Clinton Possible Pres

That is nearly 3 decades of 2 families in power ... with appears to be the same agenda ... can be a little frightening.

[scooterbug44]

A lot of the anti-Ron Paul sentiment is backlash from a recent poster (factfinder) who went nuts spamming the board until the moderator "ended the revolution".

I do like his views on the War and our overseas involvement and the government needing to rein in spending, but unfortunately he is WAY too gov't hands off/strict constitutionalist and on the wrong side of every other key issue for me.

Would still be better than Hilary though :puke:

[Bob]

Sorry, nutjob was a snap judgment based on his fundraising campaign using Guy Fawkes (a thwarted assassin of the king) and the movie "V for Vendetta" as a rallying point and the lingering bad taste from factfinder's posts.

I have now visited his campaign website and read his position on various issues, so I can now dislike him based on his stances on immigration, gun control, social security, abortion, food & drug regulation, and taxes. Too bad, as his stance on the war was spot on.Yes, his views are rather throwback, but he was right before about the war. He's an interesting person who is totally out of place with the Repubs.

[Bob]

More of a BS bomb than a money bomb. IMO.

Nutjob w/ a cult following IMO!

I guess my post was directed to these statements ... I am glad that you took the time to review his site and make a personal, educated decision on his running platform.

It still befuddles me, that when a candidate with such a respective stance on what the original intentions of America were, as a free nation, preaches to us that it is important that we recognize that we are loosing personal freedoms and liberty granted to us by the law of the land, that he is considered an extremist or in your words a "nutjob".

I am not by any means trying to sway your vote and pound a "Ron Paul" agenda down your throat, I have on my own time, with diligent research, come to my own personal conclusion that he is the closest representative of what I believe we as a country should stand for and portray to others across the globe.

I would only suggest that as a citizen you closely examine what has occurred in the last 24 years and ask yourself ... are we as group of free individuals willing to make a change ... and become representatives of what a free nation is instead of a free nation pushing representation on the world.

1980 - Bush Sr VP
1984 - Bush Sr VP
1988 - Bush Sr Pres
1992 - B. Clinton Pres
1996 - B. Clinton Pres
2000 - Bush Jr Pres
2004 - Bush Jr Pres
2008 - H. Clinton Possible Pres

That is nearly 3 decades of 2 families in power ... with appears to be the same agenda ... can be a little frightening.We desperately need fresh blood at the top. I think the race is wide open, and will be more so as the economy deteriorates.

[rehdrahk]

Agreed, but by looks of how things are going we will not need to wait much longer for the deterioration. I read this in another forum and found it to be pretty sound:

But guys… you’re smart, you’re well educated. Think past your mental blocks. Ron Paul is anti-war, he’s pro-civil liberties, anti-patriot act. He’s the most likely to seriously address the health care disaster without rewarding big pharma, the insurance companies or the trial lawyers. He’s the only one talking straight about the disaster that social security is slowly becoming. Unlike Ron Paul, who raised all his money from grass roots, the main candidates are beholden to big pharma, trial lawyers, wall street, or insurance companies. OK, so he’s anti-abortion, and pro-gun, but seriously, let’s get our priorities straight, end the war, protect the bill of rights.


He’s a candidate with integrity, he’s been saying the same thing his whole life and more importantly, he’s a candidate of hope. Hope that America can regain the optimism, unity and belief in ourselves that seems to have dissipated over the past twenty years.



I do not think it gets any fresher than that ...

[jdarg]

I am as ready for "new blood" as anyone- but Ron Paul is creepin' the bejeezus out of me. Like Scooterbug, I went to his website, and other than the war, I am not on his team. Also, I don't "get" the majority of his supporters, and his campaign.

[Rita]

I am as ready for "new blood" as anyone- but Ron Paul is creepin' the bejeezus out of me. Like Scooterbug, I went to his website, and other than the war, I am not on his team. Also, I don't "get" the majority of his supporters, and his campaign.

jdarg, you mean you didn't FIND the FACTS you were looking for on his site?? :floor:

I haven't been to his website, maybe I should go factfinding.:idontno:

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[Andy A.]

That "nutjob" graduated from the Duke University School of Medicine, has served in the military as a flight surgeon,and has delivered over 4,000 babies as an OB/GYN. He is the only Republican candidate to vote against the war in Iraq.
So all this makes him a great candidate for President? Have you watched any of the Republican debates? Despite his intelligence, IMO, he come across as a complete hick. Sorry, but as another retired military person, he'll never be my candidate. Furthermore, it says very little when our Presidency rest on who can raise the most money to run and it appears that way in today's age.

[scooterbug44]

Agreed, but by looks of how things are going we will not need to wait much longer for the deterioration. I read this in another forum and found it to be pretty sound:

But guys… you’re smart, you’re well educated. Think past your mental blocks. Ron Paul is anti-war, he’s pro-civil liberties, anti-patriot act. He’s the most likely to seriously address the health care disaster without rewarding big pharma, the insurance companies or the trial lawyers. He’s the only one talking straight about the disaster that social security is slowly becoming. Unlike Ron Paul, who raised all his money from grass roots, the main candidates are beholden to big pharma, trial lawyers, wall street, or insurance companies. OK, so he’s anti-abortion, and pro-gun, but seriously, let’s get our priorities straight, end the war, protect the bill of rights.

He’s a candidate with integrity, he’s been saying the same thing his whole life and more importantly, he’s a candidate of hope. Hope that America can regain the optimism, unity and belief in ourselves that seems to have dissipated over the past twenty years.

I do not think it gets any fresher than that ...

He's anti-war and anti-patriot act because he wants to reduce government involvement and powers across the board, not because he is the sole voice of reason.

Some of his positions are downright contradictory - he wants to get rid of all the illegal aliens and tighten border security, but he wants to do it while opposing any form of standardized national ID and reducing government powers!

He's so pro-gun he doesn't want there to be limits on gun ownership even if there are proven mental health issues and he wants to repeal the few pieces of anti-gun legislation that were able to get passed!

An Ob/Gyn who has delivered over 4,000 babies but has NEVER seen a case of medical necessary abortion? :idontno:

[TripleB]

Ok...a well educated "nut-job".

[Andy A.]

Ok...a well educated "nut-job".
Touche, Hell I've been stabbed!

[jdarg]

Will someone please explain to me why this Ron Paul is so "all that and a bag of chips" when his main exposure seems to be a flood of youtube videos? :idontno: I'm trying to get it- I really am.

[scooterbug44]

Ditto!

Of course, I am still trying to figure out why we are dealing w/ all of this political $%(# now when the election isn't for a YEAR!!!

They will spend as much or more time "running" than some presidents have spent being president!

[hnooe]

Ditto!

Of course, I am still trying to figure out why we are dealing w/ all of this political $%(# now when the election isn't for a YEAR!!!

They will spend as much or more time "running" than some presidents have spent being president!

Yes, Scooterbug. If one presidential candidate would just make a simple statement by taking just some (10%)of his or her campaign earnings and contributions and spend it on something totally selfless--like more armour for the troops, vaccinations for the elderly, rebuilding N.O., etc.,--then he or she would WIN 2008 hands down...

..instead, we will see the money spent on tearing another candidate down...

[rehdrahk]

Wow! These responses are very intriguing. Since I seem to be the only supporter of Ron besides possibly "Bob", I will give you my opinions in response to your inquiries:

National Debt
Who else in the race has an honest and forthright answer to this issue that will plague our children and grandchildren and so forth? I have not seen one other candidate give a straightforward answer to how this is to be solved. The graph says it all ... look where we are spending our money (especially the interest portion).

http://www.federalbudget.com/

Individual Freedom
In response to his stance on Guns, Abortion & other Moral issues. The man stands by his beliefs in all of these areas ... does not waiver on his stance in the presence of alternating company. He does acknowledge that his presidency and opinions have no bearing on changing laws, because he truly believes that this is the job of the congress not the President. His goal is to restrict governments involvement in our lives, not tell women if they can or cannot have an abortion and has publicly stated that this is a moral issue between a woman and her doctor and purely believes that the federal government has no right to make laws that either hinder or allow abortion. The idea of guns, I mean seriously, that is the Second Amendment ... Take that right away and where do the others stand?

He's anti-war and anti-patriot act because he wants to reduce government involvement and powers across the board, not because he is the sole voice of reason.

If I am understanding this statement correctly ,it frightens me, have you read excerpts from the Patriot Act or the more importantly the revisions that are intended to get passed in what will probably be named the Patriot Act II. There are serious implications to our freedoms that are being jeopardized by these documents. I have heard the argument, "Well it does not affect me ... I am law abiding citizen" ... both parents retired military :) ... which to me is just a silly way of saying oh well they say it is necessary and I trust them :( ...

http://www.aclu.org/safefree/general/17346leg20030320.html

Of course, I am still trying to figure out why we are dealing w/ all of this political $%(# now when the election isn't for a YEAR!!!

This is because the primaries begin in a month or so and that will determine who we vote for in a year. If you just say wait until election time without promoting your candidate now ... then you end up with whomever the primaries choose ... in this case it would appear to be a Clinton vs Giuliani race. If you think that the turnout on voting day is ridiculous, take into consideration the turnout in the primaries and how much power the ability to choose the person on the ballot is and what portion of the population is actually determining this ...

Will someone please explain to me why this Ron Paul is so "all that and a bag of chips" when his main exposure seems to be a flood of youtube videos? I'm trying to get it- I really am.

I can not speak for anyone else other than myself, but my draw is the fact that we are seeing an "insurgence" ( borrowed from the Bush campaign :) ) of people around the nation that can see and are living the devastating effects of the status quo of our administration over the course of the last 20 or so years, especially the last 7-8.

Poeple are upset about the war and he is the only Republican that has given us his word he will get us out of there. I was living in NY, I saw the World Trade centers fall with my own eyes ... I felt the need for retribution ... hell I voted for Bush ... but like many other Americans, I feel he tricked us into a predetermined plan to get into Iraq one way or another (PNAC - http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm - published in 1998).

As far as youtube - for the first 8-9 months of this year it was really the only place you could view him talking and voicing his stance. If you turn on the tube, and I challenge everyone to do so, and go from CNN, MSNBC, FOX, etc. I can almost guarantee that you will be seeing nothing but information on Clinton or Obama vs Giuliani or Romney ...

Hence the whole idea of the "Money Bomb" ... it was a ploy to not only raise money for Ron, but also to get the Major Media (or MSM) to take notice ....

[scooterbug44]

I do have to say that he is very clear on his issues.

He talks about the national debt, then wants tax cuts and special Social Security tax protections.

My comment was intending to say that he was against the Patriot bill based on his general policy of reducing government powers & interference, not because of his fresh analysis of the bill's merits (or severe lack thereof). I am well aware of what a clusterf*** it is and how horrible that bill is.

The primaries are right around the corner because every state keeps moving them up. Unfortunately I cannot vote in the primaries because I am not registered w/ a party affiliation - big flaw IMO!

[elgordoboy]

I do have to say that he is very clear on his issues.

He talks about the national debt, then wants tax cuts and special Social Security tax protections.

Supply side economics.

My comment was intending to say that he was against the Patriot bill based on his general policy of reducing government powers & interference, not because of his fresh analysis of the bill's merits (or severe lack thereof). I am well aware of what a clusterf*** it is and how horrible that bill is.
Are you for more or less government? (honest question no judgement)
Ron Paul was just on CNN with Wolf Blitzer, it was the first time I have seen him or heard him. It sounded good enough I am going to have to learn more.

[Bob]

So all this makes him a great candidate for President? Have you watched any of the Republican debates? Despite his intelligence, IMO, he come across as a complete hick. Sorry, but as another retired military person, he'll never be my candidate. Furthermore, it says very little when our Presidency rest on who can raise the most money to run and it appears that way in today's age. Ron Paul has a solid background in his favor. I respect your opinion, but Ron Paul's debate position on Iran was well informed and cited our history of installing the Shah into power. Gulliani gave the red meat, 9-11, war hawk answer that ignores history and got a rousing ovation. Hick? Not quite. Gulliani is Bush lite, and Pat Robertson's endorsement of this man should give anyone pause. Not that you are endorsing Gulliani, but I use this one instance to illuminate why Paul is made to be the nutjob, when in fact, he is not. Paul has no big sponsors behind him, and I find that encouraging. If he runs as an Independent, he'll lock us into Hillary. Paul has no charisma, but all the IQ Bush is lacking. I believe Romney will steadily gain and prevail at the convention. Romney's message is positive.

[rehdrahk]

I respect your opinion, but Ron Paul's debate position on Iran was well informed and cited our history of installing the Shah into power.

Council of Foreign Relations ... Creating enemies and then destroying them since 1919 ...

[Pirate]

He did set the record - for Republicans, Hilary still has him beat overall.

Nutjob w/ a cult following IMO!

Hillary is a little off, but a nutjob? :blush:

[Pirate]

Ron Paul has a solid background in his favor. I respect your opinion, but Ron Paul's debate position on Iran was well informed and cited our history of installing the Shah into power. Gulliani gave the red meat, 9-11, war hawk answer that ignores history and got a rousing ovation. Hick? Not quite. Gulliani is Bush lite, and Pat Robertson's endorsement of this man should give anyone pause. Not that you are endorsing Gulliani, but I use this one instance to illuminate why Paul is made to be the nutjob, when in fact, he is not. Paul has no big sponsors behind him, and I find that encouraging. If he runs as an Independent, he'll lock us into Hillary. Paul has no charisma, but all the IQ Bush is lacking. I believe Romney will steadily gain and prevail at the convention. Romney's message is positive.

Most people I know claim to lean to the center politically. Why do candidates that are centrist have so little support? Ron Paul has so many positions that cross party lines or meet in the center. Without strong Republican views and considering the Libertarians' lack of support I don't see that he can win in either party. He is a very bright man it seems and has many great ideas. Unfortunately, he doesn't have the mass appeal of BS that looks to be required in order to be nominated and/or elected. Romney/Giuliani vs. Clinton/Obama looks like it may be the ticket at this point.