Mike Vick

[BeachSteelers]

What up this this Dumb.ss? $120 million just isn't enough. If true I hope his new number is a prision number on an orange suit. Or better yet slam his head on concrete like he "allegedly" did to dogs that wouldn't fight. Guess some Coach should've broke his arm when his completion percentage is below 60. Well Mike get some lipstick cause when your Team asks for it's signing bonus back and then your contract is voided your broke. So have your Buddies send Cigs so your new name isn't Michelle. But I got a feeling they like your type in Fed Pens. Best of luck Mike... NOT!!!

[gotothebeachmom]

What up this this Dumb.ss? $120 million just isn't enough. If true I hope his new number is a prision number on an orange suit. Or better yet slam his head on concrete like he "allegedly" did to dogs that wouldn't fight. Guess some Coach should've broke his arm when his completion percentage is below 60. Well Mike get some lipstick cause when your Team asks for it's signing bonus back and then your contract is voided your broke. So have your Buddies send Cigs so your new name isn't Michelle. But I got a feeling they like your type in Fed Pens. Best of luck Mike... NOT!!!


That one word pretty much sums it up. I think his lipstick choice will be "Arrest me Red". What a jerk! The Falcons need to cut his sorry self loose ASAP! :pissed:

[kathydwells]

I heard this on the way to work this morning and had real good cry. Freaking idiot. And, I also heard that some guy from the Washington Redskins was defending Vick, saying "Well it is none of anyone's business, it is his house , his dogs, blah, blah, blah...as far as I am concerned his A$$ needs to be in jail as well!!!!!!! These guys make a gazillion dollars and it isn't enough that they have to do this!!! Let me at him. I hope he freaking rots in jail!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :pissed: :angry:

[sandflea]

Too bad we couldn't subject him to the same punishment he put those poor dogs through. Waste of flesh- him AND his brother.

[Cheering472]

Too bad we couldn't subject him to the same punishment he put those poor dogs through. Waste of flesh- him AND his brother.

Amen. I hope I never see either name in print again. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

[Lady D]

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Amen. I hope I never see either name in print again. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

I couldn't even read much of that article. My husband saw that in the sports section of our paper yesterday. They couldn't find a tree high enough to hang him and his brother on. I cannot tolerate such cruel things being done to dogs, vicious or not. :pissed:

[Cheering472]

I couldn't even read much of that article. My husband saw that in the sports section of our paper yesterday. They couldn't find a tree high enough to hang him and his brother on. I cannot tolerate such cruel things being done to dogs, vicious or not. :pissed:

In fairness, the little brother, Marcus Vick may not be involved in the dog fighting. The indictment is for Michael Vick. But Marcus has flown above reproach throughout his days at Virginia Tech. I'd kicked his bum off campus years ago. He's a low life too, but for other reasons not dog related.

As for what I read, Michael Vick deserves only the same treatment he handed out to those poor dogs. Enjoy prison and your new boyfriend Michael.

[iwishiwasthere]

What did he do to the dogs....or do I want to know? Animal cruelity is inexcusable!!!!

[Gypsea]

Poor dogs!!! :cry: :angry: :pissed:

[singinchicken]

What did he do to the dogs....or do I want to know? Animal cruelity is inexcusable!!!!


You really don't want to know unless you really really want to get pissed off. I walked in my door yesterday, and my wife imediately went ballistic...she needed to vent. Her feelings, mine too, run pretty much in line with all you guys above.

Here's what is really sad. The Falcon's won't cut him loose for damage control because of what it will do to their salary cap, and the NFL has said no suspension...

Nice, huh?

[kathydwells]

You really don't want to know unless you really really want to get pissed off. I walked in my door yesterday, and my wife imediately went ballistic...she needed to vent. Her feelings, mine too, run pretty much in line with all you guys above.

Here's what is really sad. The Falcon's won't cut him loose for damage control because of what it will do to their salary cap, and the NFL has said no suspension...

Nice, huh?

Greedy BATURDS!!!!!!! :pissed:

[singinchicken]

Greedy BATURDS!!!!!!! :pissed:

At least his endorsement deals are dropping faster than Paris Hilton's underwear. As each deal has expired, it has not been renewed. AJC just posted that Nike, his biggest endorsement, is delaying the release of his new branded shoe. It's just a matter of time before they all drop him...

[kathydwells]

At least his endorsement deals are dropping faster than Paris Hilton's underwear. As each deal has expired, it has not been renewed. AJC just posted that Nike, his biggest endorsement, is delaying the release of his new branded shoe. It's just a matter of time before they all drop him...

:clap: :clap: :clap:

[Cheering472]

The Humane Society here is organizing a letter wrtiting campaign to the NFL commissioner Roger Goodell urging him to take action against Vick. Check with your local chapter.

Vicks treatment of the dogs, either by making them fight, abusing them to make them mean, (we won't go into horriffic details here :angry:) or outright killing the dogs with a handgun when they failed to fight is beyong cruel.

[Miss Kitty]

I can't look too much for fear of what I will learn, but read this....

Dallas-Based Advice for a Dog-Based Idiot (http://frontburner.dmagazine.com/2007/07/19/dallas-based-advice-for-a-dog-based-idiot/)

Crisis manager Chris Anderson at Dallas' The Marketing Arm released a press release (http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/07-19-2007/0004628872&EDATE=) (as opposed to keeping it a secret, I guess) with some words of wisdom for Atlanta Falcon and alleged dog-fighting entrepreneur Michael Vick. The Smoking Gun has a copy of the indictment (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0717072vick1.html) that has Vick in hot water. According to Anderson, the allegations will present Vick with a "reputational burden" for years, no matter his guilt or innocence. Hmm. Ya think? My advice to Vick is plain and simple. First, get a time machine…

posted by Adam McGill (adamm@dmagazine.com) | July 19th, 2007 11:06am (http://frontburner.dmagazine.com/2007/07/19) | filed under Media (http://frontburner.dmagazine.com/category/media/), Sports (http://frontburner.dmagazine.com/category/sports/)

[30A Skunkape]

Par for the course ATL dirty bird stuff. WHO DAT?!

[Smiling JOe]

Celebrities, including sports celebrities, are often mistaken at being good people. However, being good, is an honor which is earned, and does not come from excelling at football. I'll be glad when our role models are people with with good hearts, rather than people with phatt bank rolls from face time on the television and movie screens.

[kathydwells]

Celebrities, including sports celebrities, are often mistaken at being good people. However, being good, is an honor which is earned, and does not come from excelling at football. I'll be glad when our role models are people with with good hearts, rather than people with phatt bank rolls from face time on the television and movie screens.

Amen Brother. :clap:

[Lady D]

In fairness, the little brother, Marcus Vick may not be involved in the dog fighting. The indictment is for Michael Vick. But Marcus has flown above reproach throughout his days at Virginia Tech. I'd kicked his bum off campus years ago. He's a low life too, but for other reasons not dog related.

As for what I read, Michael Vick deserves only the same treatment he handed out to those poor dogs. Enjoy prison and your new boyfriend Michael.

I thought it involved him and his brother both, but maybe I heard wrong. IWIWT, you don't want to know what was done to some of those dogs. Pit bulls or not, it makes me so mad!!! :(

[Beach Runner]

I heard this on the way to work this morning and had real good cry. Freaking idiot. And, I also heard that some guy from the Washington Redskins was defending Vick, saying "Well it is none of anyone's business, it is his house , his dogs, blah, blah, blah...as far as I am concerned his A$$ needs to be in jail as well!!!!!!! These guys make a gazillion dollars and it isn't enough that they have to do this!!! Let me at him. I hope he freaking rots in jail!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :pissed: :angry:
Like I always say, "Too much green, not enough blue." Making a gazillion dollars a year doesn't give you any class. Vick is a freakin' low life.

[NoHall]

Celebrities, including sports celebrities, are often mistaken at being good people. However, being good, is an honor which is earned, and does not come from excelling at football. I'll be glad when our role models are people with with good hearts, rather than people with phatt bank rolls from face time on the television and movie screens.

"To whom much is given, much will be required."

People who live in the eye of the public have a responsiblity, whether they accept it or not.

[iwishiwasthere]

You really don't want to know unless you really really want to get pissed off. I walked in my door yesterday, and my wife imediately went ballistic...she needed to vent. Her feelings, mine too, run pretty much in line with all you guys above.

Here's what is really sad. The Falcon's won't cut him loose for damage control because of what it will do to their salary cap, and the NFL has said no suspension...

Nice, huh?

I thought it involved him and his brother both, but maybe I heard wrong. IWIWT, you don't want to know what was done to some of those dogs. Pit bulls or not, it makes me so mad!!! :(


Okay, I won't go looking. I do not think I could stand to read about the abuse. That is why I usually avoid the news.....always a tragedy.:(

[jay]

I really hate to see someone that is so cruel take it out on animals I hope they ruin this guy. I have a young female pit I raised from a tiny puppy I rescued from under a trailer where abuse had led to the deaths of her siblings. She is the sweetest most loving dog I have ever owned and has never even chewed up a shoe. A house dog with her own bed that is when she is not sneeking into mine becuase she is scared of the thunder.

[sandflea]

I understand the indictment is for Michael- Marcus has already shown he's an idiot. My point was they are both idiots and need to learn big lessons. :D

[ktschris]

I had heard about this a few months back. SI actually had a very detailed article about a month back. According to the article, there very well could be a few more big name athletes involved. :eek: Let's hope he rolls on them!
It was amazing to read that quite a few of his friends and teammates defended him!!!! I wish I could find the link because it was worth reading.

[Smiling JOe]

First, let me say that I fully believe that it is wrong to torture animals. (I learned this after killing many ants and beetles with a magnifying glass as a kid.:idontno: sorry.) Someone on this thread suggested we do the same to Vick as he did to the dogs. While I will not directly associate the entertainment-sport of football to the killing of dogs, I think in some small ways, the dog fighting is not too dissimilar to football. There are typically two opponents, each rewarded for winning. The losing team is punished. (there is no comparison to killing the loser to having a reduction in pay or being traded. -- don't take my comparison that literally.) There is also a crowd of spectators, usually betting on one team or dog to win. Some football teams, like UGA, are even named the Bulldogs. With professional teams, there is an owner, just like the dogs' owner. They are in it for the money. If their "dog" isn't making money, they find a better-trained "dog" to put on the team and ditch the "dog" which isn't producing.

I seem to recall a history in Rome, when men were placed in a ring to fight to the death. It was a spectator sport. While today's football game is a long way from the old Roman sports, on the surface, it isn't greatly different in action. There is just more civility now, and big paychecks for the actual players.

While I don't watch football regularly, I have enjoyed playing football in high school, and I have enjoyed watching a few college and pro games. Am I blaming Vick's actions on football? Not at all. I'm just observing slight similarities between the Vick and the dogs.

[ktschris]

First, let me say that I fully believe that it is wrong to torture animals. (I learned this after killing many ants and beetles with a magnifying glass as a kid.:idontno: sorry.) Someone on this thread suggested we do the same to Vick as he did to the dogs. While I will not directly associate the entertainment-sport of football to the killing of dogs, I think in some small ways, the dog fighting is not too dissimilar to football. There are typically two opponents, each rewarded for winning. The losing team is punished. (there is no comparison to killing the loser to having a reduction in pay or being traded. -- don't take my comparison that literally.) There is also a crowd of spectators, usually betting on one team or dog to win. Some football teams, like UGA, are even named the Bulldogs. With professional teams, there is an owner, just like the dogs' owner. They are in it for the money. If their "dog" isn't making money, they find a better-trained "dog" to put on the team and ditch the "dog" which isn't producing.

I seem to recall a history in Rome, when men were placed in a ring to fight to the death. It was a spectator sport. While today's football game is a long way from the old Roman sports, on the surface, it isn't greatly different in action. There is just more civility now, and big paychecks for the actual players.

While I don't watch football regularly, I have enjoyed playing football in high school, and I have enjoyed watching a few college and pro games. Am I blaming Vick's actions on football? Not at all. I'm just observing slight similarities between the Vick and the dogs.

But you leave out the most important disimilarities, --- Vick CHOSE to play football, these dogs don't have that option.

[Smiling JOe]

But you leave out the most important disimilarities, --- Vick CHOSE to play football, these dogs don't have that option.My focus was on similarities, not differences. There are plenty of differences, and as I mentioned, I don't think that killing animals for not winning a fight is in any way similar to an athlete getting sent to another team, or getting his or her contract renegotiated for less pay.

[TripleB]

For the record....I only endorse female mud wrestling.

[gotothebeachmom]

For the record....I only endorse female mud wrestling.

:lolabove::roll::roll::floor:Oddly enough, this doesn't shock me. :funn:

[BeachSiO2]

For the record....I only endorse female mud wrestling.


For RO, got any pix:idontno: :lol:

[seacrestkristi]

How about soldiers, police officers, fire fighters, EMS workers, teachers, nurses, social workers, all make 1/4 of these football 'heroes' pay :confused: Why aren't our heroes real people more often? We barely even see what our real everyday heroes are doing that make them heroes, the little day to day decisions that impact other's lives in very real ways besides TD's.
Between Pacman and Vick I have lost my football spirit. :idontno: How can you just do such stupid sheeet :confused: :doh::whack::confused: :doh::whack::confused: :doh: :whack: So many young kids look up to them too. :pissed::(
My kids have the sweetest pit/ boxer mix ever. :wub: She is the gentlest eater of any dog I ever fed. I :wub: Lucy. ...had to say that ;-)

[scooterbug44]

I have my list of heroes and it includes very few athletes. Those athletes that are included are on there for off-the-field activities and level of class, not their athletic achievements.

You reap what you sow, and behavior like this is a result of constantly bending the rules and making exceptions to facilitate winning and get those sponsorship $$.

[ItzKatzTime]

I think he needs to be chased through the woods into that arena in the barn by those wild boars in the movie "Hannibal". Or just give him over to Hannibal Lecter :drool: himself!

This is dirty dirty stuff.....:twisted: even to watch this blood sport is beyond my comprehension. This was for the sport...not the money. The take was nothing compared to what he makes through endorsements and salary. Besides all the other things they should do to him I think they should confiscate the property, home and all, and give it to the Humane Society or sell it and feed, give medical help, and adoption fees for those who want a life long companion and PET.

Sorry to rant......this is just is too much!!!!! :cry: On October 21 if Mike Vick runs in to the Super Dome with the Falcons he better be wearing ear plugs and armour!:cuss: :angry::banned:

[NoHall]

First, let me say that I fully believe that it is wrong to torture animals. (I learned this after killing many ants and beetles with a magnifying glass as a kid.:idontno: sorry.) Someone on this thread suggested we do the same to Vick as he did to the dogs. While I will not directly associate the entertainment-sport of football to the killing of dogs, I think in some small ways, the dog fighting is not too dissimilar to football. There are typically two opponents, each rewarded for winning. The losing team is punished. (there is no comparison to killing the loser to having a reduction in pay or being traded. -- don't take my comparison that literally.) There is also a crowd of spectators, usually betting on one team or dog to win. Some football teams, like UGA, are even named the Bulldogs. With professional teams, there is an owner, just like the dogs' owner. They are in it for the money. If their "dog" isn't making money, they find a better-trained "dog" to put on the team and ditch the "dog" which isn't producing.

I seem to recall a history in Rome, when men were placed in a ring to fight to the death. It was a spectator sport. While today's football game is a long way from the old Roman sports, on the surface, it isn't greatly different in action. There is just more civility now, and big paychecks for the actual players.

While I don't watch football regularly, I have enjoyed playing football in high school, and I have enjoyed watching a few college and pro games. Am I blaming Vick's actions on football? Not at all. I'm just observing slight similarities between the Vick and the dogs.

With all due respect for your observations, and in spite of these similarities, I don't think the analogy holds to modern football. As we all learned in the movie "Gladiator" (:cool:) those men were forced to fight, much like the dogs in question. They weren't offered 100 times the salary of the current Roman Emperor for their "sport." Those men had to fight or die, just like these dogs. Vick and his kind may blow out a knee and end up in a wealth management position, at the worst.

Furthermore, there have been a number of men who played professional football and proved themselves honorable. I'm thinking of Steve Bartkowski--ironically, quarterback for the Atlanta Falcons in my childhood. He was a client of the landscape company I worked for in Atlanta, and I heard nothing but wonderful, glowing descriptions of him. (We also had another client who was a notable NFL retiree from the same era, but I only heard what an SOB he was.)

I've also known people who worked for Evander Holyfield. His sport is much more violent, yet he has a reputation for kindness and generosity.

Vick's teammates Keith Brooking and Warrick Dunn also are known around here for philanthropy. (http://www.keithbrookingfoundation.org/, http://warrickdunnfoundation.org/) I don't know much about Brooking's past, but Dunn didn't grow up privileged and entitled.

No excuses...

[sandflea]

When ppl stop paying money to see thugs like this- the NFL will get the message.

Unfortunately, that's the only way the public is going to get their attention.

Not only does it affect our kids who look up to those guys, but it hurts the other players in the league who a good ppl (ex Warrick Dunn, Derrick Brooks to name a few).

It will certainly be interesting to see how it plays out.

[Gypsea]

With all due respect for your observations, and in spite of these similarities, I don't think the analogy holds to modern football. As we all learned in the movie "Gladiator" (:cool:) those men were forced to fight, much like the dogs in question. They weren't offered 100 times the salary of the current Roman Emperor for their "sport." Those men had to fight or die, just like these dogs. Vick and his kind may blow out a knee and end up in a wealth management position, at the worst.

Furthermore, there have been a number of men who played professional football and proved themselves honorable. I'm thinking of Steve Bartkowski--ironically, quarterback for the Atlanta Falcons in my childhood. He was a client of the landscape company I worked for in Atlanta, and I heard nothing but wonderful, glowing descriptions of him. (We also had another client who was a notable NFL retiree from the same era, but I only heard what an SOB he was.)

I've also known people who worked for Evander Holyfield. His sport is much more violent, yet he has a reputation for kindness and generosity.

Vick's teammates Keith Brooking and Warrick Dunn also are known around here for philanthropy. (http://www.keithbrookingfoundation.org/, http://warrickdunnfoundation.org/) I don't know much about Brooking's past, but Dunn didn't grow up privileged and entitled.

No excuses...

Excellent post NH!!! I totally agree with you.

[Smiling JOe]

With all due respect for your observations, and in spite of these similarities, I don't think the analogy holds to modern football. As we all learned in the movie "Gladiator" (:cool:) those men were forced to fight, much like the dogs in question. They weren't offered 100 times the salary of the current Roman Emperor for their "sport." Those men had to fight or die, just like these dogs. Vick and his kind may blow out a knee and end up in a wealth management position, at the worst.

Furthermore, there have been a number of men who played professional football and proved themselves honorable. I'm thinking of Steve Bartkowski--ironically, quarterback for the Atlanta Falcons in my childhood. He was a client of the landscape company I worked for in Atlanta, and I heard nothing but wonderful, glowing descriptions of him. (We also had another client who was a notable NFL retiree from the same era, but I only heard what an SOB he was.)

I've also known people who worked for Evander Holyfield. His sport is much more violent, yet he has a reputation for kindness and generosity.

Vick's teammates Keith Brooking and Warrick Dunn also are known around here for philanthropy. (http://www.keithbrookingfoundation.org/, http://warrickdunnfoundation.org/) I don't know much about Brooking's past, but Dunn didn't grow up privileged and entitled.

No excuses...NoHall, I think you take my similarities too much at heart. I agree with your comments. Yes, gladiators were slaves, forced to fight, to keep living another day, just like the dogs. They were not paid money, but much money was earned off of them. Today, as I mentioned, the times have changed. Now, Athletes make the big money, though others who bet or own teams, have the ability to win or lose money, just as the betters in the dog fights. You are absolutely right, that the players don't have to play, and you are right that there are likely to be many respectable people playing in all sports, just as there are also criminals playing too. Having a phat paycheck doesn't make you who you are, nor does a fancy title or job.

There were days when I admired great athletes, but those times have changed. I give some respect for their abilities, but no more than I would give an artist for her abilities. Each may be deserving. Today, rather than watch a game, I would much prefer to throw a Frisbee on the beach with a friend, or just sit and talk about life.

[NoHall]

NoHall, I think you take my similarities too much at heart. I agree with your comments. Yes, gladiators were slaves, forced to fight, to keep living another day, just like the dogs. They were not paid money, but much money was earned off of them. Today, as I mentioned, the times have changed. Now, Athletes make the big money, though others who bet or own teams, have the ability to win or lose money, just as the betters in the dog fights. You are absolutely right, that the players don't have to play, and you are right that there are likely to be many respectable people playing in all sports, just as there are also criminals playing too. Having a phat paycheck doesn't make you who you are, nor does a fancy title or job.

There were days when I admired great athletes, but those times have changed. I give some respect for their abilities, but no more than I would give an artist for her abilities. Each may be deserving. Today, rather than watch a game, I would much prefer to throw a Frisbee on the beach with a friend, or just sit and talk about life.

I wasn't criticizing you at all, just using you as a trampoline. You're awesome.

[ATJoe]

There were days when I admired great athletes, but those times have changed. I give some respect for their abilities, but no more than I would give an artist for her abilities. Each may be deserving. Today, rather than watch a game, I would much prefer to throw a Frisbee on the beach with a friend, or just sit and talk about life.

I sometimes find myself thinking along the same lines as the sentiments of SJ above. It seems that the adults I revered during my childhood, whether they were athletes, actors, <gasp> politicians :shock: , or others of prominence, just seemed.....I don't know.....better :idontno: .....than those in like positions of today.

I suppose a great amount of this can be chalked up to the naivete of youth as well as the knowledge and cynicism of age, but I have to wonder had the modern media been in place during my age of innocence, would my heroes have exhibited the same characteristics and participated in some of the same distasteful activities I find so unappealing in today's supposed role models? :(

[jdarg]

I sometimes find myself thinking along the same lines as the sentiments of SJ above. It seems that the adults I revered during my childhood, whether they were athletes, actors, <gasp> politicians :shock: , or others of prominence, just seemed.....I don't know.....better :idontno: .....than those in like positions of today.

I suppose a great amount of this can be chalked up to the naivete of youth as well as the knowledge and cynicism of age, but I have to wonder had the modern media been in place during my age of innocence, would my heroes have exhibited the same characteristics and participated in some of the same distasteful activities I find so unappealing in today's supposed role models? :(


I agree. I'm sure most of today's athletes love their sport, but it seems the money just overshadows everything that was good about sports- skill, good sportsmanship, setting good examples, etc. It all just bores the crap out of us now- we do not watch any sports on a regular basis. Sponsorships, endorsements, blah blah blah, yawn....

[Ocean Lover]

I agree. I'm sure most of today's athletes love their sport, but it seems the money just overshadows everything that was good about sports- skill, good sportsmanship, setting good examples, etc. It all just bores the crap out of us now- we do not watch any sports on a regular basis. Sponsorships, endorsements, blah blah blah, yawn....


It's really quite sad. Mr OL used to LOVE to watch basketball. Back in the day...Dr J was his fav and then in the 80's we got to see Michael Jordan and the Bulls play a few times. Seems like now they're all a bunch of ...I'm not even going to say. It's just not fun anymore to watch so like SJ, we go and play instead.

[ATJoe]

It's really quite sad. Mr OL used to LOVE to watch basketball. Back in the day...Dr J was his fav and then in the 80's we got to see Michael Jordan and the Bulls play a few times. Seems like now they're all a bunch of ...I'm not even going to say. It's just not fun anymore to watch so like SJ, we go and play instead.

I would agree with Mr. OL's assessment of professional basketball. The 80's and early 90's were, for me, the glory days of the NBA. Great teams populated with great players playing a game using more or less traditional basketball skills. Today's game seems to revolve so much more around individual athletic talent as opposed to team oriented basketball skills. Today, I rarely watch the NBA, but I remain a fan of college basketball.

[NoHall]

Hot off the press:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7052768?MSNHPHMA

Personal Conduct Policy? I haven't heard of it, but I applaud the NFL for it.

[seacrestkristi]

When ppl stop paying money to see thugs like this- the NFL will get the message.

Unfortunately, that's the only way the public is going to get their attention.

Not only does it affect our kids who look up to those guys, but it hurts the other players in the league who a good ppl (ex Warrick Dunn, Derrick Brooks to name a few).

It will certainly be interesting to see how it plays out.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

[singinchicken]

Personal Conduct Policy? I haven't heard of it, but I applaud the NFL for it.

Same rule the NFL went after Packman Jones with. He, too, has not, yet, been convicted of anything, but after more than 10 arrests, the NFL invoked that rule in an attempt to protect their image.

As bad as all of this is, the NFL does not even come close to being the overpaid dysfunctional family that the NBA is!

[John R]

with regards to the loser bogs being put down, sometimes that's better than them being left alive. such a horrible and tragic "sport". convicted owners and promoters should be made to fight to the death, that would slow things down a bit.

npr has down a good bit of coverage, not only on vick, but on the fighting.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=12104472

[Smiling JOe]

I don't get it. The NFL or Falcons (not sure which), is telling people not to judge Vic prior to his trial, yet Vic just announced that he is pleading guilty to the charges. :idontno:

[singinchicken]

I don't get it. The NFL or Falcons (not sure which), is telling people not to judge Vic prior to his trial, yet Vic just announced that he is pleading guilty to the charges. :idontno:

Not Mike...one of his co-defendants, Tony Taylor. He plead guilty after cutting a deal to testify for the prosecution...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20035354/

[Smiling JOe]

Not Mike...one of his co-defendants, Tony Taylor. He plead guilty after cutting a deal to testify for the prosecution...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20035354/
That makes more sense. I must not have heard the news story correctly.

[greenroomsurfer]

They should let the dogs eat Vick!!! Wonder if football play ers taste like chicken to dogs? :shark: :trainwreck:

[BlueFox181]

I work at a sports paper here in Atlanta. (scoreatl.com) This Vick thing has been the talk of the office for a long while. I personally have defended Vick through all his personal mishaps- until this one. I just don't think the Federal Gov't would be charging you unless they are damn sure going to get a conviction. He has killed the fans of Atlanta. I went to the Dome a few times last year and 85% of those fans were wearing Vick jerseys. Such a shame. I won't say he's actually done all of the torturous things that were done to the dogs until he's found guilty- but I def. think he had to have know what was going on and that alone is disgusting. How could you let that happen on your property? Or associate with anyone who did? You can't say he was doing it for the money because he was making millions - so what- he just thought it was fun?:eek: It makes me shutter....

[whitesands]

When I first heard about this, I felt sick to my stomach. After reading such posts here as SJ's (whom I believe is on to something here), I got to thinking. Are we, as a people, moving in that direction, generally? Has anyone heard of/watched extreme fighting? What about today's "action" movies? The general destruction of people and things. Has our civilization really come to think of this as the norm? I think the younger generation (generations in my case :biggrin: ) have become desensitized, to a larger or lesser degree, since I was a kid. My son has given us action/dramatic movies he thinks are great...the "die hard" type of thing. Honestly, we can't watch them. Too violent and graphic! Even with the latest Superman movie, my husband and I watched it in three increments. It was, I think, one of the best animated movies of its kind, but overwhelming too, at times. Also, my husband, who used to watch boxing when he was younger (which for my taste, was/is very violent) can't stomach watching extreme fighting. Too "no holds barred" type of fighting...someone surely will be killed (if no one has died already) participating in this "sport". If we've come this far in our 400 or 500 hundred years of "civilization", what the future holds as far as entertainment goes, is scarry to me. And to use animals in this horrendous way...unfathomable! There have, unfortunately, always been people who abuse animals...and people who abuse people, but this, to me, seems to be more and more the case. In certain genres (violent, graphic movies, extreme fighting, football (where people have been killed), hockey (where people have been killed), etc., etc.), it is accepted, by and large, as "sport" or at least pleasurable. I just don't get it! :confused:

[BeachSteelers]

After his Buddies rolled over to the feds it seems Mike has no choice but to cop a plea. After stating to the Commissioner that he had nothing to do with it any plea will prove he lied to Mr. Goodall. Seems his Co-defendants are set to get 15 to 18 months. I think this hardball Judge will have to give Vick more time since he hasn't cooperated. So say 24 months with a Plea. Oh and Virginia is coming after you also Mike. 100 mil down the drain. Payback your prorated signing bonus and see ya in 3 years. BYE BYE and good riddance. Neutering him is what I'd like to see happen.

[BlueFox181]

I know this is pre-dog-fighting Vick- but it has to be one of my favorite SNL news reports EVER...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RjtVnqZCndo

[NoHall]

I know this is pre-dog-fighting Vick- but it has to be one of my favorite SNL news reports EVER...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RjtVnqZCndo
:lolabove: Really...

[Seabreeze]

You can't believe how racially polarizing this whole Mike Vick thing is in Atlanta. You listen to the sports talk shows - day after day after maddening day -- and its black Vick pacifists/apologists vs. white "racists". The rationale and justification put forth by the Vick apologists is jaw-dropping scary. It's frightening to think these people drive cars and breed.

Michael Vick is the poster boy for this out-of-control hip-hop culture that glorifies wealthy losers. There was nobody more excited for the Falcons when Mike Vick came aboard than me, but I now hope he gets a solid two years in the hoosegow. He deserves it. Maybe it's bad lawyering but I personally believe his attitude of entitlement is arrogant and cocky. What a waste of talent and opportunity. Expect to see him overthrowing wide-outs for the Toronto Argonauts in about three years.

What say you ... OJ Simpson, Ray Lewis, and Barry Bonds?

Y'know, strange as it sounds, I have a bit of admiration for the NBA ref who pled guilty to gambling/racketeering charges earlier this week. At least, he has the cojones to admit guilt and accept his fate -- which, by the way, is a helluvalot harsher than Mike Vick's fate. Twenty-five years behind bars vs. five years for Vick.

This is exactly why I departed the world of sportswriting many years ago. Arrogant, overpaid, over glorified morons. Where are the Dale Murphys and Gayle Sayers of the world?

[jessifunn]

dog chew toy :scratch: (http://www.vickdogchewtoy.com/)

[BlueFox181]

dog chew toy :scratch: (http://www.vickdogchewtoy.com/)

One of my interns got this for my new pups as going-away gift
:biggrin: :rolling: :clap: :floor: :floor:

[BeachSteelers]

great post J-Funn. Bettis will love it. Here's hoping the Falcons do the right thing and not cut Vick. That way he'll have to pay back 22.5 mil of his signing bonus. Maybe the Bengals or Raiders will need a QB in 2010 when his prision term and suspension may be over. How fast is his forty time in a communal shower?
I still think he's getting off easy. No Racketeering for being the Book. No Animal Cruelty charges. No conspiracy charges. Money and good Lawyers should never lessen someone's time when GUILTY of any crime. Right OJ.

[sarawind]

Rap Name: SNUFF DOGG

Read that today at lucianne.com. Thought it hilarious and wanted
ya'll to get a little chuckle.

[Miss Kitty]

:idontno: ...laugh? Am I missing something?

[Mermaid]

One of my good friends sent me this e-mail today and doesn't mind if I reprint it here:

****
If you are tired of the behavior of pro football players -- think of M. Vick and his pit bulls, here's how you can complain to the NFL. Call 212-450-2000. You do get a live person, just say you want to make a statement regarding Michael Vick, she will transfer you to PR where you do get a recording. Apparently this number has been publish around the country and they are getting thousands of calls. I am a true lover of pro football, but the Vick incident was the final blow for me. These jerks make millions of dollars a year and behave like common hoods. I am tired of it.
*****

I personally think it's worth complaining about.

[cp]

One of my good friends sent me this e-mail today and doesn't mind if I reprint it here:

****
If you are tired of the behavior of pro football players -- think of M. Vick and his pit bulls, here's how you can complain to the NFL. Call 212-450-2000. You do get a live person, just say you want to make a statement regarding Michael Vick, she will transfer you to PR where you do get a recording. Apparently this number has been publish around the country and they are getting thousands of calls. I am a true lover of pro football, but the Vick incident was the final blow for me. These jerks make millions of dollars a year and behave like common hoods. I am tired of it.
*****

I personally think it's worth complaining about.
so do I!!

[John R]

you can also email vick at his falcons page. i let him know quite plainly how i feel about him. i can't repeat it here.

[kathydwells]

Mike Vick is a.......D***, and a jerk. He deserves IMHO, to rot in jail and never gain another penny from the American public. :pissed: :angry:

[Cheering472]

I hear ya Darlene! Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel.:wave:

People are not putting up with his stuff and it's long over due. Vick was a jerk when he was at VT too. It's time people stop looking the other way.

[Arkiehawg]

Here is what the folks in Hotlanta are saying....What kinda of mind set would still support him after this?


Fans at Playmakers Barber Shop in Midtown said they still support Vick, because they feel he is innocent, and that he is a victim of a racist judicial system.

"It's bad. I don't condone it at all, but the punishment is too severe, (they’re ruining) a man's career," said barber Dontrell Mapp.

Black civil rights leaders said Vick should be given one more chance.

"This is what we look for, for people to take a stand for what is right and admit they made a mistake," said Charles Steele, president of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.

Vick supporters will rally again Monday night, before the Atlanta Falcons’ preseason game with the Cincinnati Bengals
:idontno: :bang: :angry:

[scooterbug44]

Nobody ruined his career but him!

Sadly, I don't think the judicial system is colorblind, but Vick's celebrity status and $$$ make allegations of racism in this case ridonkulous.

Innocent until proven guilty...........or until everyone involved pleads guilty!

What a crock!

[scooterbug44]

Kevin Hench's column on the subject:
Like so many of Michael Vick's third-down conversion attempts, his legal defense against dogfighting charges ended Monday with a punt.
By the time all his so-called friends were done flipping, it was 4th-and-38. Even the elusive Vick had to realize there was no scrambling out of this one. (The prosecution doesn't view him as a flight risk because he has no friends left to drive the white Bronco.) The fact that Vick's friends flipped so readily has led some of his defenders to decry the lack of loyalty in the Vick posse. Hey, here's a heads up: if your friends enjoy watching dogs tear each other apart, they might not turn out to be the highest character guys when you need them to have your back.
And those, like Donovan McNabb and Emmitt Smith, who were quick to condemn Vick's associates should bear in mind that Vick certainly seemed prepared to throw his entire posse under the bus to "clear his good name." But plea deals don't go from the top down. A drug kingpin can't get a lesser sentence by rolling on his street peddlers. Vick financed the operation. He was the big fish.
While the guilty plea will cost Vick his freedom for a to-be-determined length of time, it has liberated those of us writing about the case from the annoying and clunky and increasingly insulting use of "allegedly."
And thus concludes this chapter of the long, sad saga of a bad guy who was worse than we thought.
When Vick settled a civil lawsuit brought by a woman who said he'd knowingly given her herpes (and that he'd entered clinics for treatment under the alias Ron Mexico), it spawned a lot of jokes and a jersey-purchasing frenzy.
When Vick flipped off the fans in Atlanta, he joined a long line of frustrated athletes who had responded to the boo birds with the dirty digit.
When he refused to hand over a water bottle at the airport in Miami and the bottle was later determined to have a secret stash for contraband in it, it seemed more stupid than dangerous.
But breeding dogs for the sick satisfaction of watching them fight and then executing the underperformers? This is the back story of a serial killer, not a mere coach killer.
From the very first day this story broke, it seemed impossible to imagine any other outcome. Vick bred dogs. He owned the property where dogfighting had clearly taken place. He wasn't breeding these poor creatures for the Westminster Dog Show.
Perhaps realizing he would be unable to answer the prosecution's first question — "Why, sir, did you breed dogs?" — Vick copped.
The guilty plea raises several questions: 1. Why not go to trial? 2. What is an appropriate punishment? 3. Will he ever play in the NFL again?
Could Vick have won at trial?
Well, clearly his attorneys didn't think so. The fact that his defense team — the ones with the most to gain financially by a protracted trial — recommended that Vick accept a plea speaks volumes about his overwhelming guilt. His lawyers must have felt completely incapable of mounting a credible defense.
A guilty defendant knows he can't rely on exculpatory evidence for acquittal, but surely someone as rich as Vick could assemble a legal dream team to muddle the prosecution's case and confuse a jury.
Couldn't Robert Shapiro, F. Lee Bailey, Barry Scheck and Alan Dershowitz convince any 12 people who couldn't get out of jury duty that these dogs had committed suicide?
Possibly. But this trial promised to feature one thing the O.J. Simpson case lacked: damning eyewitness testimony.
Imagine if Al Cowlings and Robert Kardashian and five others were lined up to provide testimony against O.J., and you get a sense of what the Vick defense team would have been up against.
But given that leniency doesn't seem to be a component of the prosecution's plea offer, what did Vick have to lose by throwing the Hail Mary and going to trial? He would have had to sit there and endure in painstaking detail — and gruesome photos, one of which he may have been in — the carnage of Bad Newz Kennels.
Though it seems impossible that he'll ever salvage his career or reputation, a blow-by-blow public accounting of his behavior could only have made things worse.
Will the sentence fit the crime?
Reports have varied as to what the prosecution will ask for in terms of jail time — anywhere from 12 to 36 months — but one thing seems clear: Vick will be punished more severely than anyone who has ever been convicted of these crimes.
Vick can say goodbye to much — if not all — of the remaining money on the 10-year, $130M contract he signed in 2004, and the Falcons may try to recover some of the $22M already paid Vick as part of his signing bonus. It's safe to say that Arthur Blank believes Vick has violated the personal-conduct clause of his contract. It seems doubtful that, once Vick formalizes his plea next week, the Falcons will ever pay him another penny.
Given the loss of endorsements, Vick will likely lose over $100M as a result of his crimes. Major American corporations don't get hit with fines like that for even the most egregious violations.
Vick's crimes were not committed in the heat of the moment. He didn't snap. He didn't do too much meth or lose his mind with jealously. He matter-of-factly bred dogs to be used for his entertainment in a bloodsport.
A couple years in jail and all his net worth sounds about right to me.
Will Vick ever play in the NFL again?
No. How could he?
Even if the gambling aspect of the dogfighting ring does not earn Vick a lifetime ban, there just don't seem to be any circumstances that could lead him back under center in the NFL.
He's simply not a good enough quarterback to merit the s---storm signing him would unleash. What owner would invite the public backlash to acquire a QB with a 75.7 career rating?
Terrell Owens is an elite receiver. Jerry Jones deemed him worth the headache. Pacman Jones has the tools to be a shutdown corner. As long as he's not in prison or suspended, someone will give him a job. But in six seasons in the NFL, Michael Vick has thrown 71 touchdown passes and turned the ball over 79 times (52 picks, 27 lost fumbles).
Before all hell broke loose, there were a lot of NFL fans who thought the Falcons made a mistake in sending Matt Schaub to Houston. Vick was already a borderline starting NFL quarterback. Now he's radioactive.
When Vick submits to his plea deal next Monday, the judge is not obligated to accept the terms. He could instead opt for a harsher sentence.
Vick will want mercy from the judge. Which is more than Vick gave those dogs.

[DonPtrl]

We all know money $$$ does not buy class!!!

[Arkiehawg]

Good article.....

I suspect that M.Vick will not learn from this. Once he is out of jail, I imagine that he will be problematic for the remainder of his life....no matter how long...or short...:(

[Smiling JOe]

dog chew toy :scratch: (http://www.vickdogchewtoy.com/)
Love it! but I wonder if Vic and the Falcons are receiving some of the profits from the sale of this item. I wouldn't want to add more money to his pocket.

[NoHall]

Gainesville's reaction, in a nutshell. Vick jerseys. (http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/hall/newfullstory.asp?ID=116613)

[Smiling JOe]

Good one, nohall! I guess the Vick #7 jersey will become the new fur coat of the south. The thugs who have the fighting Pit Bulls will all be wearing them, and other people will be throwing paint on them. Well, maybe this isn't a good analogy. :lol:

[kathydwells]

Gainesville's reaction, in a nutshell. Vick jerseys. (http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/hall/newfullstory.asp?ID=116613)

Now that is one heck of an idea. They need to use them shredded up in the cat boxes as well!!!!!! :clap:

[sarawind]

:idontno: ...laugh? Am I missing something?

Snuff dogg as in killing dogs. Not meant to validate Vicks atrocious behavior. A comment on the culture.

[Minnie]

One of my good friends sent me this e-mail today and doesn't mind if I reprint it here:

****
If you are tired of the behavior of pro football players -- think of M. Vick and his pit bulls, here's how you can complain to the NFL. Call 212-450-2000. You do get a live person, just say you want to make a statement regarding Michael Vick, she will transfer you to PR where you do get a recording. Apparently this number has been publish around the country and they are getting thousands of calls. I am a true lover of pro football, but the Vick incident was the final blow for me. These jerks make millions of dollars a year and behave like common hoods. I am tired of it.
*****

I personally think it's worth complaining about.

Thanks for the number, I called. I definitely think that the thousands of Americans that support the NFL and its sponsors need to make a statement.

I also asked for a call back, anyone think I will hear from them. :roll:

[Minnie]

This is what we look for, for people to take a stand for what is right and admit they made a mistake," said Charles Steele, president of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.



Then he can give his millions to charity, sell all his expensive houses, cars, jewelry for charity and go to Africa to help the starving masses. Only then, maybe he might have some redeeming qualities.

[scooterbug44]

"This is what we look for, for people to take a stand for what is right and admit they made a mistake," said Charles Steele, president of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.

Since when is pleading guilty in hopes of a reduced sentence because you know you WILL be convicted "taking a stand for what is right"?

You'd think they could find some better role models/actual injustice to fight!

[Smiling JOe]

Since when is pleading guilty in hopes of a reduced sentence because you know you WILL be convicted "taking a stand for what is right"?

You'd think they could find some better role models/actual injustice to fight!Interesting that Vick was the last of his group to plead guilty. He would have been better off doing that first in exchange for ratting out his posse. Instead, they screwed him first. Ain't it nice to know that all of your friends are thugs?

[truluv]

what really sucks is that in two or three years he will be back in football, after all, it's a business. Fans love to forgive and forget, least we remember family man Mike Irvin got caught smoking crack with hookers and we just welcomed him into the Hall of Fame!

[NoHall]

what really sucks is that in two or three years he will be back in football, after all, it's a business. Fans love to forgive and forget, least we remember family man Mike Irvin got caught smoking crack with hookers and we just welcomed him into the Hall of Fame!

Two or three years? Not if he's convicted by the Commonwealth of Virginia.

Up to 40 years in prison... (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7141124)

I think he's done.

[Smiling JOe]

what really sucks is that in two or three years he will be back in football, after all, it's a business. Fans love to forgive and forget, least we remember family man Mike Irvin got caught smoking crack with hookers and we just welcomed him into the Hall of Fame! What's wrong with smoking crack with hookers? :funn:

[NoHall]

Good grief. The morning news is on, and the intro for the plea deal coverage involves a clip of that super-sad music that is usually reserved for the aftermath of national disasters.

:violin:

[Smiling JOe]

Good grief. The morning news is on, and the intro for the plea deal coverage involves a clip of that super-sad music that is usually reserved for the aftermath of national disasters.

:violin:Well, in my opinion, Vick escaping jail time (my prediction) will be a national disaster.

[Allifunn]

IMO...any person that can kill an animal, in the way he did, is sick and demented and will have no problems doing the same to a human.(not to mention the fighting aspect of the whole situation!) No regard for life in general is the way I see MV :angry: I would be terrified to be any where close to this insane man!

[scooterbug44]

They reamed him and the NFL/sportscasters on the Daily Show last night!

Apparently the NFL is more concerned about the gambling aspect of it (rather than him choking dogs to death w/ his bare hands) and his loyalty - saying he would be blacklisted if he named other players as part of his deal.

Stewart's comment: "If they wanted loyalty, they should get a do...........nevermind".

[NoHall]

Stewart's comment: "If they wanted loyalty, they should get a do...nevermind".

:lolabove:

[seaside2]

My first thought was to put him in a pen with 50 mean, mad pit bulls and let them chew him to pieces.:biggrin:

But I thought better of it. Eating sheet like that is cruelty to animals.:pissed:

[gotothebeachmom]

Amazing how someone with this much intelligence could screw up so royally!:roll: :floor:

[kathydwells]

And THIS (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/22/vick/index.html?iref=mpstoryview) little tidbit just in. Give me a freaking break!!!!! :bang: :roll:

[ktschris]

"In some instances, I believe Michael Vick (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/michael_vick) has received more negative press than if he would've killed a human being," White said. "The way he is being persecuted, he wouldn't have been persecuted that much had he killed somebody."

Are you kidding me :eek:




White also said he didn't understand the uproar over dogfighting, when hunting deer and other animals is perfectly acceptable.

FTLOG :eek:

I am speechless!

[kathydwells]

"In some instances, I believe Michael Vick (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/michael_vick) has received more negative press than if he would've killed a human being," White said. "The way he is being persecuted, he wouldn't have been persecuted that much had he killed somebody."

Are you kidding me :eek:




White also said he didn't understand the uproar over dogfighting, when hunting deer and other animals is perfectly acceptable.

FTLOG :eek:

I am speechless!

Yep, those are the two that got me so :angry: :pissed: .

[Santiago]

I work at a sports paper here in Atlanta. (scoreatl.com) This Vick thing has been the talk of the office for a long while. I personally have defended Vick through all his personal mishaps- until this one. I just don't think the Federal Gov't would be charging you unless they are damn sure going to get a conviction. He has killed the fans of Atlanta. I went to the Dome a few times last year and 85% of those fans were wearing Vick jerseys. Such a shame. I won't say he's actually done all of the torturous things that were done to the dogs until he's found guilty- but I def. think he had to have know what was going on and that alone is disgusting. How could you let that happen on your property? Or associate with anyone who did? You can't say he was doing it for the money because he was making millions - so what- he just thought it was fun?:eek: It makes me shutter....

In regards to whether he has done all of the torturous things mentioned let me quote the great Buford T. Justice. "When we raid a cathouse, we always get the piano player too".

[Cil]

I won't post the link because they took the interview down, but shortly before he plead, Vick said he would fight dogs again "under the right circumstances."
I just could not believe what I was hearing.

[NoHall]

This morning and yesterday I heard a lot about how sorry he is. Today on the news they're talking about how he has now "found God" in all of this.

If that's true, good for him. But it's funny how just the threat of jail will send people looking for God, isn't it? Maybe he and Paris can start a Bible study.

[Miss Kitty]

This morning and yesterday I heard a lot about how sorry he is. Today on the news they're talking about how he has now "found God" in all of this.

If that's true, good for him. But it's funny how just the threat of jail will send people looking for God, isn't it? Maybe he and Paris can start a Bible study.

I am real surprised he didn't go to rehab. :idontno:

[drunkkenartist]

http://www.sowal.com/bb/attachment.php?attachmentid=6221&d=1187804970Amazing how someone with this much intelligence could screw up so royally!:roll: :floor:
I thought he was quoting President Bush!

[BeachSteelers]

He found God? Typical of the guilty. He's just sorry his kingdom has been shattered. He is not sincere and I hope the judge rejects his plea. Freakin joke is what he and that scumbag lawyer are.
And God backwards is Dog. If you AX me I hope he never plays again.

[gotothebeachmom]

This morning and yesterday I heard a lot about how sorry he is. Today on the news they're talking about how he has now "found God" in all of this.

If that's true, good for him. But it's funny how just the threat of jail will send people looking for God, isn't it? Maybe he and Paris can start a Bible study.


The only thing he's sorry about is the fact that he got caught and his alleged buddies rolled over on him. :roll:

I wish the media would stop giving this toad any more publicity. :bang:

[STL Don]

I heard him apologize last night for acting "immaturely" (he said it twice). Perhaps there was legal advice about "immaturity" and his NFL contract.

[scooterbug44]

In regards to whether he has done all of the torturous things mentioned let me quote the great Buford T. Justice. "When we raid a cathouse, we always get the piano player too".

In this case, he wasn't the piano player, he was the Madam!

Vick is sociopathic trash. His recently found spiritualism is part of his defense.

[BeachSiO2]

I saw this as an UGA Amber Alert earlier :yikes:

6271

[NoHall]

I'm at school, and my friend Portia said:

"O.J. killed a white woman and he walked. Kobe raped a white woman and he walked. Vick killed some dogs and he's going to jail. We orta keep to killing white folks."

:biggrin:

[kathydwells]

:biggrin:

[sunspotbaby]

Mr. White- President of the NAACP.:floor:

[kathydwells]

I love THIS (http://www.cnn.com/2007/LIVING/wayoflife/08/30/dog.vickball/index.html?iref=mpstoryview) story. :biggrin:

[Smiling JOe]

Did you guys see his press release, where he mentioned that during this troubling time (being arrested), he found God, and now realizes he was wrong? Bless his heart. I bet he wishes that he did it in GA, rather than VA. In GA, most of what he did is considered a misdemeanor.

[Cork On the Ocean]

Up to 40 years in prison... (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7141124)
:clap:

IMO...any person that can kill an animal, in the way he did, is sick and demented and will have no problems doing the same to a human.(not to mention the fighting aspect of the whole situation!) No regard for life in general is the way I see MV :angry: I would be terrified to be any where close to this insane man!

Dog fighting is so rampant in many areas. When I was doing animal rescue in NOLA, as soon as they opened the city back up, we had a bunch of pit bulls stolen out of our staging area in the middle of the night. Those who know me know how saddened I am by what Vick did but I also am thankful that someone as famous as Vick was caught because it's brought tremendous awareness of the torture of these poor animals. I don't want the media to stop talking about it! The more publicity this issue gets, the more chance there is that people just like us will begin to demand more stringent laws and enforcement of existing laws. I'm hopeful that some good can come from this for the millions of other animals that suffer at the hands of man.

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated. We must be the change we wish to see." Mahatma Gandhi


"In some instances, I believe Michael Vick (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/michael_vick) has received more negative press than if he would've killed a human being," White said. "The way he is being persecuted, he wouldn't have been persecuted that much had he killed somebody."

Are you kidding me :eek:

White also said he didn't understand the uproar over dogfighting, when hunting deer and other animals is perfectly acceptable.

FTLOG :eek:

I am speechless!

Yep, that is the mindset of many and regarding the "Southern Christian Leadership Conference" gentleman .......what happened to "thou shalt not kill?" Not to mention treating all living things with respect and dignity.

"All beings tremble before violence. All fear death, all love life. " Buddha :wub:

[GIjo]

:rofl: :biggrin:


:lolabove: :floor: :floor: :rofl: :clap: :clap: :clap: