Prominence

[egrp]

Check out this link (may have to cut and past into address bar) below to their "row" homes...is it just me or does this architecture just total miss the mark for a beach property. It looks so out of place exterior and interior.

last time i checked they were asking very high prices for this product...i predict they will not achieve those prices and will struggle to move this product at a profitable price.

any thoughts??

http://tponline.realty-wire.com/Users/7D543FAB-2BF0-4EBC-A736-5DBA95E185C8/{30AA9A23-6E6B-4B9C-B6EB-D024981080BC}/{30AA9A23-6E6B-4B9C-B6EB-D024981080BC}.pdf

[Smiling JOe]

The interior is looking a little low-country, and I'm not sure what exactly the exterior is supposed to look like. One drive by, and it's easy to see that it sticks out a bit from the norm around here. Maybe when they complete the development, it will not stand out so much.

[scooterbug44]

Based on your pics it has typical interiors and the exterior is an amalgam of the Village at Baytowne Wharf and Watersound.

With the exception of a few well done developments, most of this area's "architecture" doesn't exactly follow a specific style.

[Missplaced]

Check out this link (may have to cut and past into address bar) below to their "row" homes...is it just me or does this architecture just total miss the mark for a beach property. It looks so out of place exterior and interior.

last time i checked they were asking very high prices for this product...i predict they will not achieve those prices and will struggle to move this product at a profitable price.

any thoughts??

http://tponline.realty-wire.com/Users/7D543FAB-2BF0-4EBC-A736-5DBA95E185C8/{30AA9A23-6E6B-4B9C-B6EB-D024981080BC}/{30AA9A23-6E6B-4B9C-B6EB-D024981080BC}.pdf


egrp

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[egrp]

i just don't think brick belongs anywhere on a house around the beach...aka no brick chimneys like in natures walk and no brick fireplace etc.

there should be some kinda rule ;-)

[tistheseason]

i just don't think brick belongs anywhere on a house around the beach...aka no brick chimneys like in natures walk and no brick fireplace etc.

there should be some kinda rule ;-)

I'm with ya.

[iqueequeg]

last time i checked they were asking very high prices for this product...i predict they will not achieve those prices and will struggle to move this product at a profitable price.


Any idea what the prices are? I agree they need to price it right to move it considering the lack of beach access.

[beachmouse]

The one they had in the Parade was something like $2.9 million. Inside it was designed to impress, and left us both pretty cold. "Look! We've got six pots sitting on our commercial range to show you that it really, really is a commercial range!" "Ooh, an office where the furniture is arranged to give you mental images of the master disciplining his minions!"

For all that the Watersound and Watercolor homes nearby convey the idea of a luxury property, they're also good at feeling warm and inviting, something that the Prominence town house failed to do. At that price point, you also get better fit and finish in the Water developments or a place like Cypress Breeze. The Prominence stair bannisters looked like the ones in my Aunt Katie's nice-but-decidedly-middle-class 1979 era split level ranch.

[scooterbug44]

i just don't think brick belongs anywhere on a house around the beach...aka no brick chimneys like in natures walk and no brick fireplace etc.

there should be some kinda rule ;-)

It's hard to beat brick as a chimney material.

[Smiling JOe]

Any idea what the prices are? I agree they need to price it right to move it considering the lack of beach access.
Scooter, I can see "some" resemblence of the exterior looking like parts of Baytowne (new orleans look), but if you think that those row houses look anything like WaterSound Beach homes, I think you need some glasses. The picture throws off the true look as seen from the road.

Prices? At the first public meeting the developers held, they had envisioned all economic levels, such as "school teachers" being able to afford the smaller row houses on the north side of 30A (not yet built). I called B.S. at that public meeting, and about 130 people (mostly other Realtors) gasped. I guess I was wrong, eh?

[30A Skunkape]

I thought it was supposed to look like something from New England?:idontno:

[Smiling JOe]

I thought it was supposed to look like something from New England?:idontno:Egg Zachery. That is why the Low Country look of the interiors is really out of place, and I do love me some Low Country look.

[30A Skunkape]

Maybe they will have New England type witch hunts and dunk people in the moat to see if they are witches...

[scooterbug44]

Scooter, I can see "some" resemblence of the exterior looking like parts of Baytowne (new orleans look), but if you think that those row houses look anything like WaterSound Beach homes, I think you need some glasses. The picture throws off the true look as seen from the road.


I was making the Watersound parallel based on Prominence also using the New England "shingle style" and all the curved corner brackets in the picture. Like many of the local developments it's a mish-mash and a misrepresentation of the original vernacular. (Sure glad they've got those steeply pitched roofs to keep the snow off - I hear it's a big problem here in the panhandle) Once again a misplaced regional style becomes the marketing device for a McMansion.

[Smiling JOe]

gotcha.

[egrp]

yeah WaterSound has some New England themes, but it feels nautical and has a beachy, whismical feel to it as well. Also much warmer inside.

these look like mcmansion townhomes that you would find in a Boston suburb.

imo...they look like complete crap (although i can tell the construction was expensive) and i think they will struggle to move at their list prices.

that being said i wish them all the best

[scooterbug44]

I think part of it is the fact that it is still under construction. When it is all completed w/ the same variety of decor and traffic as you find everywhere else I don't think you'll notice a difference. I think the Prominence construction quality is higher than that of Watersound or Watercolor.

[peapod1980]

Maybe they will have New England type witch hunts and dunk people in the moat to see if they are witches...
Well, I can tell ya one thing: they didn't leave any trees for any hangings.

[egrp]

I think part of it is the fact that it is still under construction. When it is all completed w/ the same variety of decor and traffic as you find everywhere else I don't think you'll notice a difference. I think the Prominence construction quality is higher than that of Watersound or Watercolor.

possible higher quality than WaterColor...very very doubtful higher quality than WaterSound Beach...that would be extremely difficult as they spared no expense in that development

[Miss Kitty]

Well, I can tell ya one thing: they didn't leave any trees for any hangings.

:lolabove: ...if you build it, they will come hang out. They have a fake harbour*, so what's wrong with fake trees? :biggrin:

* why does that word look weird? is it harbor? :idontno: Oh screw it...just insert wharf

[Smiling JOe]

possible higher quality than WaterColor...very very doubtful higher quality than WaterSound Beach...that would be extremely difficult as they spared no expense in that development
Most of the homes in WaterSound and WaterColor are stick built, while the row houses in Prominence are ICF (insulated concrete form), so I could see how someone could pitch that the Prominence homes are "higher quality." I have not personally toured one to see the quality of craftsmanship, but by being ICF, they will probably withstand more storm damage.

[scooterbug44]

possible higher quality than WaterColor...very very doubtful higher quality than WaterSound Beach...that would be extremely difficult as they spared no expense in that development

They're not exactly poor quality, but they definitely "spared some expenses".

[peapod1980]

:lolabove: ...if you build it, they will come hang out. They have a fake harbour*, so what's wrong with fake trees? :biggrin:

* why does that word look weird? is it harbor? :idontno: Oh screw it...just insert wharf
It must be your time spent abroad, my well traveled friend. Our British friends most certainly would spell it -our, but back in Texas, plain ol' -or.

[Miss Kitty]

It must be your time spent abroad, my well traveled friend. Our British friends most certainly would spell it -our, but back in Texas, plain ol' -or.


:clap: ...thank you my little spelling pea! :wave:

[Beaudroix]

possible higher quality than WaterColor...very very doubtful higher quality than WaterSound Beach...that would be extremely difficult as they spared no expense in that development

All of Prominence and Alys Beach residential and commercial buildings are designed and built "Fully Enclosed" meaning the exterior building envelope includes impact windows and doors, etc. and will remain intact when a hurricane comes so all of the interior is left unharmed. Many Watercolor and a few Watersound Beach homes were designed as "Internal Pressure" meaning the windows and doors are meant to blow out while leaving the the structure intact so when you come home after the hurricane anything left inside will be destroyed. If I was buying a house in these high dollar price ranges I would make the sure the house was designed "Fully Enclosed"...

[goofer44]

It would seem to me that an insurance company would not be willing to write a policy on an internal pressure house.

[Smiling JOe]

It would seem to me that an insurance company would not be willing to write a policy on an internal pressure house.
When Walton County gets back with the State regarding the new wind zone maps for construction, I think you will see some shifts in sales to newly built homes, rather than existing homes for many areas in SoWal. I believe they have already ditched the internal pressure requirements, or they are in the process of it. As I understand it, with the new maps, all houses in Walton County, located south of the Bay, will have to be built to handle 140 mph winds, and will require engineer's stamp of approval on blueprints. I'm guessing homes built to the new requirements will be easier to sell and likely have cheaper insurances costs. I believe that the changes will also require homes north of the Bay up to midway between Defuniak Springs and Freeport, to handle 130 mph winds, but will not need an engineer's stamp of approval.

[Miss Kitty]

When Walton County gets back with the State regarding the new wind zone maps for construction, I think you will see some shifts in sales to newly built homes, rather than existing homes for many areas in SoWal. I believe they have already ditched the internal pressure requirements, or they are in the process of it. As I understand it, with the new maps, all houses in Walton County, located south of the Bay, will have to be built to handle 140 mph winds, and will require engineer's stamp of approval on blueprints. I'm guessing homes built to the new requirements will be easier to sell and likely have cheaper insurances costs. I believe that the changes will also require homes north of the Bay up to midway between Defuniak Springs and Freeport, to handle 130 mph winds, but will not need an engineer's stamp of approval.

Will this be the start of teardowns in SoWal?

[egrp]

SJ you might know this...I'm just curious about Prominence sells and pricing any update? Also curious about Alys...have both of these developments ground to a halt? thx

[Beaudroix]

Does anyone actually know why Walton County decided to change from Wind Zone #3 (130mph+) to Wind Zone #4 (140mph+)???:idontno:

The only other area in the Northwestern Panhandle with Wind Zone #4 requirements was Pensacola Beach...

Has Okaloosa or Bay County changed to Wind Zone #4???

[Beaudroix]

It would seem to me that an insurance company would not be willing to write a policy on an internal pressure house.

Good point! The insurance companies along w/ Christ are the ones that made this Code Change Mandatory... This does add several more thousands to the house but compared to Hurricane loss this is very little $$$change.

[Uncle Timmy]

Does anyone actually know why Walton County decided to change from Wind Zone #3 (130mph+) to Wind Zone #4 (140mph+)???:idontno:

The only other area in the Northwestern Panhandle with Wind Zone #4 requirements was Pensacola Beach...

Has Okaloosa or Bay County changed to Wind Zone #4???

Okaloosa County also changed their coastal areas to 140mph wind zone, this includes FWB and Destin.

The panhandle used to be under an exemption to the State's Wind Borne Debris requirements (our zone used to extend only 1 mile inland from the coast). But this exemption was always seen as unfair by the rest of the state and a result that one of our local state senators, Clary (R-Destin) helped write the code and secured this exemption for us.

So, along came Gov. Christ who ended our exemption. Apparently, while they were ammending this, they also opted to bump up the Panhandle's wind requirements.

[SHELLY]

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[Uncle Timmy]

Sorry God, Freudian slip. It is indeed Crist.

Glad to see you are throwing Smileys instead of the alternative lightning strikes.

I will also pledge to stop refering to Bush I, Bush II, and Clinton as the Father, Son and Ho'ly Ghost.