Hurricane Katrina - IV

[WaltonUndercurrent]

Hopefully, the U.S. government will spend as much money and provide as much man power for the people of New Orleans as they have for Iraq - maybe bring home the troops and send them to the coast?

[wetwilly]

Yeah. NOLA is going to have a rough time for days, weeks, months to come if the prediction and forecasts are accurate. I read your other post and my it was hair raising. The destruction is going to be devistating to NOLA even if it doesn't take a direct hit.

[kurt]

Yes I am out of internet juice. I'm posting from the WC Inn. Most businesses are closed for the day. SJ and I have been out all day checking on things. I've got some photos to upload later.

Everything is basically the way it was after Dennis - back to square one on the beaches. But that is a relief. After seeing how high the water was yesterday I feared the worst today, but it didn't get much higher.

Things should be back to normal on the beaches in a few days. Hardly any debris to clean up and no walkovers lost that I've seen.

Some of the beaches have gained sand - and all that was scraped into piles has been spread out nicely! :D

[wintersbk]

Thanks Kurt & SJ! Stay safe! :clap_1:

[RiverOtter]

Some of the beaches have gained sand - and all that was scraped into piles has been spread out nicely! :D

This is good to hear ;-)

[WhiskeyRiver]

Sounds good! Ya'll be careful! God Bless! :lol:

[ktschris]

Thanks Kurt and SJ! :clap_1: :clap_1:

[ladybug8876]

Great to hear from you Kurt, was getting worried. Again thanks to you and SJ. :clap_1:

[Beach Runner]

I posed the following post on Katrina III:
"Does anyone know if Seagrove has lost power since yesterday afternoon, and if so, for how long? I'm trying to decide if I need to throw anything in the refrigerator away when I come down this week. Of course, like a moron, when I unplugged the TVs yesterday, I also unplugged the answering machine. I usually know that if it answers, we have power."

Thanks, Travel2Much and pgurney, for the responses. Yes, Landlocked, I really can be such a moron. I think it's from getting my brain fried as a Tulane student (but I adore that school!). LOL.

BTW Kurt and SJ, you are SOOOOOOOOOO nice for taking photos so that we can see what's going on down at SoWal. I mean, it's not like you couldn't be doing something more important, like doing your jobs, or taking care of family responsibilities, or just getting some a** time on the beach and drinking your favorite adult beverages!

[Cil]

I am really really glad that you guys are okay.

[pgurney]

We're having a couple of good gusts right now. My first foam storm! Walked outside and splat, right on the cheek. LOL.

[ladybug8876]

:lolabove:

[gotothebeachmom]

Kurt and SJ, what would we do without you? As usual you have provided peace of mind and sanity to those of us who are not in SoWal. You 2 are priceless! How about a frosty beverage sometime soon?

We'll be down to celebrate my birthday beginning the 8th of next month? :D

[kurt]

I posed the following post on Katrina III:
"Does anyone know if Seagrove has lost power since yesterday afternoon, and if so, for how long? I'm trying to decide if I need to throw anything in the refrigerator away when I come down this week. Of course, like a moron, when I unplugged the TVs yesterday, I also unplugged the answering machine. I usually know that if it answers, we have power."

Thanks, Travel2Much and pgurney, for the responses. Yes, Landlocked, I really can be such a moron. I think it's from getting my brain fried as a Tulane student (but I adore that school!). LOL.

BTW Kurt and SJ, you are SOOOOOOOOOO nice for taking photos so that we can see what's going on down at SoWal. I mean, it's not like you couldn't be doing something more important, like doing your jobs, or taking care of family responsibilities, or just getting some a** time on the beach and drinking your favorite adult beverages!

AS far as I know - no one has lost power. The winds haven't been too bad and we don't have any weak trees left around here to fall on power lines.

[Beach Runner]

AS far as I know - no one has lost power. The winds haven't been too bad and we don't have any weak trees left around here to fall on power lines.
Thanks muchly.

[landlord]

Are you serious about some of the beaches actually gaining sand or were being facetious?
Can't wait to see your photos later! :clap_1:

[Smiling JOe]

Are you serious about some of the beaches actually gaining sand or were being facetious?
Can't wait to see your photos later! :clap_1:

I really think the levels of the beach appear to be higher than before the storm. That may be due, in part, to the imported sand being dumped on the beaches. You can see in one of Kurt's photos, the two septic tanks in Gulf Trace between two houses. They were sitting on top of the beach last week, and now they are almost covered. I think that may be what happened to the piles of concrete in Gulf Trace too. Your kids have some crappy treasures to uncover.

I just returned from another run down the beaches. Sustained winds had picked up on the beach and I would guess they were around 45-50mph with stronger gusts maybe around 60mph. Sandblasting continues so much that my camera and eyes cannot do much good.

As someone mentioned earlier, Hwy 30-A is closed off at Oyster Lake outflow. You will have to go around. It looks like they had a little trouble, but nothing that cannot be repaired. Chili Pepper, and most interior homes look good.:D

I will be posting more photos (http://www.sowal.com/bb/gallery/browseimages.php?c=5&userid=216) soon.

It will be much easier to assess any damages tomorrow. So look for more reports then.

[Moondance]

Post from Katrina III:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rita
:?: The sands not white.

Originally Posted by Smiling JOe
You are correct. They never got around to capping it off with the required 3ft of white 8.1 sand. Go figure. I guess it doesn't matter anyway, because the beach will be a mix now anyway, due to the relaxing of the rules, and the lack of monitoring the work being done.

Quote from Moondance:
"Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice shame on me..."

We are smarter now and despite all the effort and angst, unfortunately, Dennis was a dry run. In terms of the beaches, at least, it would appear we are almost back to square 1. I suspect most of the issues after Dennis will be issues after Katrina. What should be different this time is that we (residents, citizens, landlords, neighbors, beach lovers/protectors) are better prepared and informed, largely as a result of information shared or obtainable on this board.

This time we are in a better position to monitor and report on all public and private beach replenishment and/or clean-up activities. We must expose any/all that do not meet applicable law, regulation, code, ordinance, local order, waivers of same, or good common sense :eek: !. I will be more vigilant, more insistent, and more vocal (privately and publicly) with respect to such beach activities. However, few of us can be in SoWal all the time, and kurt, SJ, and other locals can't do it all.

I encourage my friends on this board to get involved and active, think critically, ask questions, seek answers, and speak up... or at least make us all aware of anything that seems out of line.

Let's get r done right this time, hopefully paving the way for standard protocol for the foreseeable future.
Now I'll get off my http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/soapbox.gif

[landlord]

I am certainly encouraged by your beach observations.
Do you think Seaside's beaches fared well? I noticed that the sand that had been scraped and pushed up near the dunes seemed to still be there. :bow:

[Miss Kitty]

I purposely stayed off the board this afternoon (stop clapping!) since I had been up watching things since 2:30am and started feeling like we knew more than the media!! Probably a fair call since we have SJ and Kurt, the MOST reliable, on the scene photojournalists ever!!! Thanks again...we are so blessed to have you on our side! MD..your call to action is heard loud and clear...but you knew that!! IMO, rather than sit idly by and go crazy with the flagrant rule breaking we have witnessed, I think we as a board of concern can continue to send the powers to be proof positive of what has and is going on down on the beaches there. Remember Blue Mountain Beach!, can be the battle cry! MD, you gave some of us good direction before concerning the GT problems...I will rely on you and those that have the ability to give real first hand knowledge of issues that I can pass on to the county comm. in our district. Thanks for caring about what so many of us hold dear...the beauty of SoWal! Please insert that cute smiley on the box here!!!! Thanks for your time...I feel better now.

[Moondance]

Please insert that cute smiley on the box here!!!! Thanks for your time...I feel better now.This one??

http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/crowd.gif

[Moondance]

As Beach Dreamer points out:
"It's not what you know. It's what you do with what you know." :D :clap_1: :cool:

[Miss Kitty]

As Beach Dreamer points out:
"It's not what you know. It's what you do with what you know." :D :clap_1: :cool:


True words!!!

[Camp Creek Kid]

I'm happy to report that everything looks fine on the beach. In fact, I agree with Smiling JOe--it appears that there is actually MORE sand on the beaches. The private beach access that the Cottages at Camp Creek shares with the neighboring streets is intact and very sturdy. All of the walkovers that were rebuilt after Dennis are in great shape. There is no debris of any kind on the beach--just lots and lots of foam.

The small piles of sand from scraping that are along the dune line are still there there doesn't appear to be any significant dune erosion at all. The bottom step of our access is almost covered with sand whereas yesterday at about 6 p.m. it had a six-inch drop.

There was a house that had trucked in sand and last night I was sure that all of that sand would be washed away. I was surprised to see that the new sand was still there and there was very little erosion to it.

All-in-all as far as I can tell, the beaches faired well and there was no property damage. Everyone rest easy about SoWal and lets concentrate on doing what we can to help our neighbors in NOLA, Biloxi, and Mobile. I would recommend that you NOT come down to check on your properties. Lets keep the roads open for the evacuees to get back to their homes. Everything here is suprisingly fine.

[lollygal]

I'm happy to report that everything looks fine on the beach. In fact, I agree with Smiling JOe--it appears that there is actually MORE sand on the beaches. The private beach access that the Cottages at Camp Creek shares with the neighboring streets is intact and very sturdy. All of the walkovers that were rebuilt after Dennis are in great shape. There is no debris of any kind on the beach--just lots and lots of foam.

The small piles of sand from scraping that are along the dune line are still there there doesn't appear to be any significant dune erosion at all. The bottom step of our access is almost covered with sand whereas yesterday at about 6 p.m. it had a six-inch drop.

There was a house that had trucked in sand and last night I was sure that all of that sand would be washed away. I was surprised to see that the new sand was still there and there was very little erosion to it.

All-in-all as far as I can tell, the beaches faired well and there was no property damage. Everyone rest easy about SoWal and lets concentrate on doing what we can to help our neighbors in NOLA, Biloxi, and Mobile. I would recommend that you NOT come down to check on your properties. Lets keep the roads open for the evacuees to get back to their homes. Everything here is suprisingly fine.

Well said, Camp Creek Kid! THANK YOU! :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: You, Kurt and Smiling Joe have helped lessen the anxiety with your eye witness reporting!!

[Smiling JOe]

Moondance,
Your house looks fine. You may have a loose screen, I will have to double check. I was in a hurry when I looked, but overall, nothing to report at your house.:clap_1:

[Moondance]

Moondance,
Your house looks fine. You may have a loose screen, I will have to double check. I was in a hurry when I looked, but overall, nothing to report at your house.:clap_1:

Dang, dang, DANG!! :bang: :bang: I can't believe I'll have to NOT repair that screen, again. (It was already torn... I have no worries personally, but I am grateful for the information).

Now, we (SoWal.com) should focus some energy on those that DO have very real worries and see how we can help... SJ, I sent you a PM, so just let me know. :D

Please contribute goods, blood, time or money: https://www.redcross.org/donate/donation-form.asp

American Red Cross Launches Largest Mobilization Effort in History for Hurricane Katrina

http://www.redcross.org/pressrelease/0,1077,0_314_4473,00.html

[Paula]

Kurt and SJ, what would we do without you? As usual you have provided peace of mind and sanity to those of us who are not in SoWal. You 2 are priceless! How about a frosty beverage sometime soon?

We'll be down to celebrate my birthday beginning the 8th of next month? :D

Yes, I agree -- thanks much to Kurt, SJ, and Camp Creek Kid, too, who tends to give us updates on stuff out on east 30A (and all the others who are giving updates). What a community we have!

We left the area on Saturday after a wonderful week. We have guests in one of our cottages and I spoke with them today and they said they were fine and not worried.

[ladybug8876]

SJ, KURT and others it's so nice of ya'll to keep us up to date, to take time to check other properties. There are few people who would give their time as ya'll have. :cool: :clap_1: :D

[Smiling JOe]

SJ, Kurt and others it's so nice of ya'll to keep us up to date, to take time to check other properties. There are few people who would give their time as ya'll have. :cool: :clap_1: :D

FYI, Kurt is still giving, but he lost internet connection last night or early am today. He posted pics from my house. When he is back up and running, he may have input or answers to some of your questions.:D

[sarahj]

SJ, Kurt and Camp Creek Kid, thanks for eye witness reliable reports. :clap_1:

[SGB]

All of what has been said on this thread by others about the lack of damage to our beaches is all true! It's no worse than after Dennis. There are places where the scraped sand piles are still there or at least partially still there (old Seagrove, BMB), and I didn't see any damaged walkovers. The new one that was just built near 395 is still there. The water just did not get very high. We couldn't find any further erosion and we were very surprised given that the ocean was lapping at the base of the dunes on Sunday. It is still very windy and you get sand blasted at the beach. The waves are impressive, but they aren't hitting the dunes. 30A was closed most of the day at Oyster Lake, but it's open again now. The yellow house on the beach at Fort Panic has a bit of water under it, but it looks no worse than it did 3 days ago. The bay water did rise to the level of our dock, but that's not too bad. If there was flooding from the bay, it was probably in just very low lying areas. If you have a house here, I know it's hard not to worry, but you really shouldn't. Everything looks very good and we didn't see any houses that were obviously damaged.

[Smiling JOe]

The yellow house on the beach at Fort Panic has a bit of water under it, but it looks no worse than it did 3 days ago.

http://sowal.com/bb/gallery/files/2/1/6/P8280065.JPG

[JustBeachy]

Looks like one of those Star Wars at-at walkers.

So, how's everyone doing?

[wintersbk]

Anyone else watching abc news right now? Horrible footage of the New Orleans suburbs completely flooded.

[SGB]

"Does anyone know if Seagrove has lost power since yesterday afternoon, and if so, for how long? I'm trying to decide if I need to throw anything in the refrigerator away when I come down this week. Of course, like a moron, when I unplugged the TVs yesterday, I also unplugged the answering machine. I usually know that if it answers, we have power."


Old Seagrove didn't lose power. Occasionally the lights flickered. Dune Allen lost power for a little while this afternoon, but only for an hour or so.

[Moondance]

Please contribute goods, blood, time or money: https://www.redcross.org/donate/donation-form.asp

American Red Cross Launches Largest Mobilization Effort in History for Hurricane Katrina

http://www.redcross.org/pressrelease/0,1077,0_314_4473,00.htmlNot trying to be heavy-handed on this, but I put my money where my (big) mouth is and made a donation online. If you spend 60 seconds on the link above and make a donation, you get this cool little message from American Red Cross (oh yeah, it's tax deductible):

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:cool:

[Beach Runner]

The new private beach walkover that our neighborhood in Seagrove built was damaged - time to fork out more coin yet again. The sand is quite eroded. Oh, well, it could have been worse - the storm could have right-hooked into us.

[StCastle]

Thank you, Kurt for your information...My Dad was worried about his house in Grayton...We have seen more damage and erosion since Ivan than anytime in the last 25 yrs!!

Good to know that we have dodged the bullet this time!! :clap_1:

[seagrovelover]

I'm just glad all you sowal"ers are ok :wub:

[Mermaid]

Me too! :clap_1:

[wetwilly]

As said by everyone, thanks Kurt, SJ, CCK, and others on the scene. I was off the board all day on business in Birmingham and battled a lot of rain and tornado warnings/watches all the way back to Atlanta. It was brutal not being able to read the posts (since I'm addicted) but my wife was online checking and calling me with the reports.

Sounds like SoWal, the dunes, and the beaches did well considering the possibilities.

Again, thanks for all of the info. :clap_1: :clap_1: :clap_1: Keep it coming. We are coming down this Friday and hope to run into some of you guys. :cool:

[Rita]

We're having a couple of good gusts right now. My first foam storm! Walked outside and splat, right on the cheek. LOL.

:blink: Kurt has an excellent picture of the "foam storm". I've never seen anything like that! Very interesting!

[Landlocked]

The Governor of Mississippi is reporting 80 deaths in one county alone. Bad times..

msnbc.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/)

[BeachBebe]

Many thanks to all of you for sharing your knowledge of SoWal. This morning I am asking for help for a friend who lives gulffront in Ocean Springs, Miss. She is with family in Atlanta and cannot contact anyone as to condition of her home. Can anyone tell me at what point NOAA images of the area might be available, or know of another link that might help her? Her address is 1001 Point Aux Chenes, Ocean Springs, Mississippi. Again, many thanks for all the information and enjoyment I have received from all of you posters on this sight.

[Miss Kitty]

Many thanks to all of you for sharing your knowledge of SoWal. This morning I am asking for help for a friend who lives gulffront in Ocean Springs, Miss. She is with family in Atlanta and cannot contact anyone as to condition of her home. Can anyone tell me at what point NOAA images of the area might be available, or know of another link that might help her? Her address is 1001 Point Aux Chenes, Ocean Springs, Mississippi. Again, many thanks for all the information and enjoyment I have received from all of you posters on this sight.

No info, just sending prayers her way. God Bless.

[WaltonUndercurrent]

Some of my partners family live in Biloxi and we have friends in Ocean Spring. We haven't been abe to get up with - phones are down and cell phones are useless. We'll just have to keep trying and assume that they will contact us when they can.

[wintersbk]

Many thanks to all of you for sharing your knowledge of SoWal. This morning I am asking for help for a friend who lives gulffront in Ocean Springs, Miss. She is with family in Atlanta and cannot contact anyone as to condition of her home. Can anyone tell me at what point NOAA images of the area might be available, or know of another link that might help her? Her address is 1001 Point Aux Chenes, Ocean Springs, Mississippi. Again, many thanks for all the information and enjoyment I have received from all of you posters on this sight.

Maybe this will help:

http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3782912

[BeachBebe]

You are all wonderful people. Thanks.

[Landlocked]

There are some gut wrenching photos of N.O. here if you want to take a gander..

NOLA (http://www.nola.com/hurricane/photos/)

[Smiling JOe]

Many thanks to all of you for sharing your knowledge of SoWal. This morning I am asking for help for a friend who lives gulffront in Ocean Springs, Miss. She is with family in Atlanta and cannot contact anyone as to condition of her home. Can anyone tell me at what point NOAA images of the area might be available, or know of another link that might help her? Her address is 1001 Point Aux Chenes, Ocean Springs, Mississippi. Again, many thanks for all the information and enjoyment I have received from all of you posters on this sight.

The aerial pics have not yet been posted on NOAA's site. Generally, it will take a couple of weeks. Check the site, www.alt.ngs.noaa.gov (http://alt.ngs.noaa.gov/) regularly to see when the pics are posted.

[Beach Runner]

Has anyone seen photos of Jackson Square, St. Charles Avenue, or Tulane University? I'd appreciate links if you run across any. I've been searching.

Tulane's website has been down since Sunday night down. Maybe they just shut it down to protect the electronics. Scares me though.

:'(

[hutch]

Check this site for information and pictures of Biloxi and Gulfport areas.
Sent donation to Red Cross this morning. They will need all of help we can give.


http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald/

[Landlocked]

The aerial pics have not yet been posted on NOAA's site. Generally, it will take a couple of weeks. Check the site, www.alt.ngs.noaa.gov (http://alt.ngs.noaa.gov/) regularly to see when the pics are posted.

SJ-

I just emailed a guy at NOAA and he said the Katrina pics like the ones from Dennis would be available tomorrow.

[wintersbk]

Has anyone seen photos of Jackson Square, St. Charles Avenue, or Tulane University? I'd appreciate links if you run across any. I've been searching.

Tulane's website has been down since Sunday night down. Maybe they just shut it down to protect the electronics. Scares me though.

:'(


I'm not sure where the medical center is in relation to the university but I did find this....

Tulane University Medical Centre Vice President Karen Troyer-Caraway told CNN the downtown hospital was surrounded by 6 feet (two metres) of water and considering evacuating its 1,000 patients.

[Beach Runner]

I'm not sure where the medical center is in relation to the university but I did find this....

Tulane University Medical Centre Vice President Karen Troyer-Caraway told CNN the downtown hospital was surrounded by 6 feet (two metres) of water and considering evacuating its 1,000 patients.
The med center is downtown. Campus is uptown. But thanks for your response. :)


BTW someone on CNN stated that Katrina is the US's tsunami. Actually it's worse because those waters receded. In NOLA who knows when the water will recede?

[Travel2Much]

Has anyone seen photos of Jackson Square, St. Charles Avenue, or Tulane University? I'd appreciate links if you run across any. I've been searching.

Tulane's website has been down since Sunday night down. Maybe they just shut it down to protect the electronics. Scares me though.

:'(

From what I have seen so far on the tv:

Jackson square--lots of trees down, but no major structural damage other than the fence. Until the flooding today the quarter seemed to fare well (well, for this circumstance)

St. Charles Ave.--Some major wind damage around St. Charles & Napoleon. The oaks pretty much all along St. Charles & in Uptown (State Street, etc.) were toppled. A lot of main structural damage appears to be related to that--oaks crashing onto houses. Flooding in the Uptown area is a arbitrary thing, and it is always in Uptown in flood scenarios. But, from what I have heard it is on a property by property basis (which sucks b/c those who have property simply do not know.)

Tulane/Loyola areas--A major question mark. Really just don't know. All I have heard is that the schools are still there but of course there will be major damage. Probably flooding problems since that occurs in points around campus. But not like in other areas of the city you are seeing on tv.

Websites are down because there is no power in the city. Generators failed a long time ago. Basically, every utility has suffered extreme damage.

The downtown campus (hospital medical schools) are the ones with the flooding, being evacuated.

Uptown damage was described as "minimal" by the T-P. Remember, that is along the scale where "high" is the stuff you see on tv. Because of trees and power lines though they couldn't go through side streets.

Might all change and/or has already has changed given the levee problems. I was happier yesterday b/f that happened.

These are all just guesses right now, from what I have seen. No specific information about any specific property is available, or likely to be forthcoming for a while.

Jeff parish is apparently going to allow owners to come in on Monday to see their houses, get what can be saved, and leave. Orleans, who the heck knows right now. Too busy looting.

Remeber when I say no major damage it doesn't mean there is no damage. A tree crashing through the roof is minor damage on my scale. I would settle for a tree. I would be delighted, actually.

[Beach Runner]

From what I have seen so far on the tv:

Thanks so much for the info!

[Miss Kitty]

BR, you are so right about this being the USA's tsunami! I've been thinking that all day and wondering what countries might come to our aid. Don't mean to sound cynical...we as Americans will take care of our own. It's the bad times that bring out the good in people....and there are so many good people right on this board.

[wintersbk]

Thanks so much for the info!

Beach Runner,

Found this:

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Go to the » N.O. Town Hall forum


1975.1. letter from Tulane President Scott Cowen
by khobgood, 8/30/05 13:40 ET
Re: info. on tulane and baudin street by emstevnicsam, 8/30/05
Dear Tulane Faculty, Staff, Students and Friends:
As you all know by now, New Orleans and the surrounding parishes were severely damaged by Hurricane Katrina. The physical damage to the area, including Tulane’s campuses, was extensive.

Unfortunately, conditions in the city continue to deteriorate, making it virtually impossible to begin recovery efforts. On a very positive note, in Tulane’s case, we are very thankful that all of our people are safe, including all the students and staff who evacuated to Jackson, Mississippi.

We have started the process of assessing the condition of our campus facilities and determining how long it will take us to reopen. This assessment process will take days because many of the answers will be determined by how quickly the city and its services become operational. The situation is further complicated by the fact that there is no power in the city, water levels continue to rise, all city roads are blocked, and the vast majority of our workforce had to leave the parish as part of the mandatory evacuation order. It is unclear at this time when people will be allowed to return to the city.

Given the uncertainties, we cannot determine at this time when employees and students should return to campus. We will do the best we can to keep you appraised of our situation and progress.

Also, I want to remind you that the university’s main website is not operating at this time and we do not know when we will be able to bring it back on-line. Due to this, the Tulane email system is not functioning. However, this website (emergency.tulane.edu) will continue to have the most up-to-date information about university operations and the Tulane Alert Line at 1-877-862-8080 and 1-504-862-8080 will also have the most current information available. These communication vehicles are the best source of information about Tulane since phone and cell service are unreliable.

I realize that you have many more questions than we have answers at this time. However, I’m sure you understand the complexity and difficulty of the situation we face. Nonetheless, we are determined to move forward as quickly as possible and make Tulane University an even stronger and healthier institution. We have been in New Orleans for 171 years and we look forward to another century in this great city.

Scott S. Cowen

[Travel2Much]

Here ya go. Just off the press:

"There are several reports that the Uptown area remains unflooded, particularly around Magazine and Jefferson and Mag. and Webster; Prytania and Napoleon. Similar reports re the Garden District. "

From T-P web site: http://www.nola.com/weblogs/nola/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_nolaview/archives/2005_08.html#075160

I encourage you to rely on the T-P site (nola.com) rather than the networks. Not that the network info is wrong (sometimes it is, sometimes not). But it is more entertainment than facts.

Go Wave!

[Smiling JOe]

http://www.nnvl.noaa.gov/members/images/109671.jpg

Photo of Katrina taken on Aug 29 2005 around 1:00pm.

[lollygal]

One Mother of a Hurricane - :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Beach Runner]

Go Wave!
Oh, Jesus Christ! Is our school gone? Is our beloved NOLA gone? Go Greenies!

[Smiling JOe]

One Mother of a Hurricane - :eek: :eek: :eek:
http://www.nnvl.noaa.gov/members/images/108262.jpg
Here is a shot of Hurr. Ivan 2004.
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http://www.nnvl.noaa.gov/members/images/109671.jpg
Hurr. Katrina 2005

[Miss Kitty]

SJ...can you do a split screen of the two storms?

[Smiling JOe]

http://sowal.com/bb/gallery/files/1/0/2/6/beachhouseback.jpg
May 2005 (before TS Arlene, H. Dennis & H. Katrina)
Photo taken by homeowner.

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http://sowal.com/bb/gallery/files/2/1/6/P8290019.JPG
Aug 30 2005 (After Katrina)

[Travel2Much]

Oh, Jesus Christ! Is our school gone? Is our beloved NOLA gone? Go Greenies!

Nope, they are still there, depending on the levee situation. Again, everything I am hearing from uptown is positive (again remember the scale to measure this). I would bet that there is about at least 6 feet of water in lots of the first floor classrooms, and no doubt the school is banged up bad, but hopefully they are still there. In any event, the school is really the students, alums, faculty and employees and they will be there so the school will be there even if the buildings are not. Same thing with NOLA, too. Bit hard to see that now, but that's what I suspect.

[aquaticbiology]

OK,kids, finally got some power - now for the important question:

How did the geotubes fare? Did they trap sand up to the sky or is it a yecchy mess?

Glad yall are ok and from the reports it sounds like you had it easier than us in central mississippi and north-central alabama.

Still no power at the house, had to go rv'ing!

[Smiling JOe]

OK,kids, finally got some power - now for the important question:

How did the geotubes fare? Did they trap sand up to the sky or is it a yecchy mess?

Glad yall are ok and from the reports it sounds like you had it easier than us in central mississippi and north-central alabama.

Still no power at the house, had to go rv'ing!

Kurt separately posted before / after pics of geo dunes. Lack of waves crashing on beach and low surge, caused geodunes to almost be covered with sand this time.

[Beach Runner]

Nope, they are still there, depending on the levee situation. Again, everything I am hearing from uptown is positive (again remember the scale to measure this). I would bet that there is about at least 6 feet of water in lots of the first floor classrooms, and no doubt the school is banged up bad, but hopefully they are still there. In any event, the school is really the students, alums, faculty and employees and they will be there so the school will be there even if the buildings are not. Same thing with NOLA, too. Bit hard to see that now, but that's what I suspect.
Thanks for the info. BTW we gave our home to our NOLA friends for free for a month (and the rental rate would be $3000 a week in the off-season).

Like the movie, "Pay It Forward."

[Smiling JOe]

Does anyone know an appox. elevation of the town of Biloxi, MS? I am curious to know how our elevation in SoWal compares.

[katie blue]

weather underground says 33 ft.

[Smiling JOe]

weather underground says 33 ft.

I am seeing 20' at the AFB in Biloxi, and on a couple of other sites. Any idea of the elevations of the flooded areas? Are these low lying areas? If Katrina had hit us, would Blue Mtn Beach, the upper elevations inland, be the only land above water in SoWal? Anyone know?

Seems like I remember reading that twice, a storm sent water from the Gulf all the way down bay drive to the Bay. I think the last time was around the 1920's. If so, I know Grayton was very wet.

[aquaticbiology]

Kurt separately posted before / after pics of geo dunes. Lack of waves crashing on beach and low surge, caused geodunes to almost be covered with sand this time.
Great! Now the geotubers have useless data on how well they work! Can't wait for Earl to start sales pitching them at the next county meeting. He can bring them right down the beach to the buyer with his big trailer. Crimeny! Still better than a leaky mess, but I was really hoping for subduction and the ensuing mystery of the missing tubes.

[kurt]

I am seeing 20' at the AFB in Biloxi, and on a couple of other sites. Any idea of the elevations of the flooded areas? Are these low lying areas? If Katrina had hit us, would Blue Mtn Beach, the upper elevations inland, be the only land above water in SoWal? Anyone know?

Seems like I remember reading that twice, a storm sent water from the Gulf all the way down bay drive to the Bay. I think the last time was around the 1920's. If so, I know Grayton was very wet.

There would be several places along 30-A that would be underwater. All the places that have had their bluffs and dunes removed - Inlet, Grayton, Dune Allen - as well as all the communities adjoining most of the lakes. The bay would cover all of the low areas north of 98.

[Smiling JOe]

http://sowal.com/bb/gallery/files/2/1/6/P8300002.JPG

Posted on the doors to the Donut Hole on Hwy 98 Santa Rosa Beach.
Good thru Sunday Aug 4.

They are also collecting donations for the people affected by the storm and are matching up to $2,500. Go to the Donut Hole and show your support. They make much more than donuts. Great sandwiches for lunch.

http://sowal.com/bb/gallery/files/2/1/6/P8300001.JPG

[Gypsea]

Here is a pretty amazing link to NASA's Flooding Simulation of New Orleans.

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/custom/2005/08/31/CU2005083101665.html

[kurt]

Here is a pretty amazing link to NASA's Flooding Simulation of New Orleans.

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/custom/2005/08/31/CU2005083101665.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/custom/2005/08/31/CU2005083101665.html)

Holy COW.:eek:

[Gypsea]

There is not much green left is there?

[Shady]

http://www.wjhg.com/home/headlines/1708416.html (http://)
Y'all will love this: look at the video link just to the right of this story promoting the wonders of the geo-tubes. (i was reading this link in another thread when I noticed it--couldn't figure out how to post the link directly to the video...)

You willl probably have to copy and paste this link--it's to a story on the drowning. The video link is just to the right of the text of the story...says something like "Walton Co may have found a way to deal with beach erosion..."

[Miss Kitty]

http://www.wjhg.com/home/headlines/1708416.html (http://)

Y'all will love this: look at the video link just to the right of this story promoting the wonders of the geo-tubes. (i was reading this link in another thread when I noticed it--couldn't figure out how to post the link directly to the video...)

Hope I did this right--not an experienced poster....


I couldn't get it.

[Smiling JOe]

http://www.wjhg.com/home/headlines/1708416.html (http://)

Y'all will love this: look at the video link just to the right of this story promoting the wonders of the geo-tubes. (i was reading this link in another thread when I noticed it--couldn't figure out how to post the link directly to the video...)

Hope I did this right--not an experienced poster....

Welcome new poster (slim) Shady.
I think you copy and pasted the wrong link. That seems to be the link which I posted regarding the drowning. You got it partially correct, just edit it, and change it to the correct web address.

[Shady]

Sorry--I need to go back to message board 101.
It's the right link, but you'll have to copy and paste. The video says something like "Walton County may have found a way to deal with beach erosion..." (the video is to the right of the story on the drowning..)

[Smiling JOe]

Sorry--I need to go back to message board 101.
It's the right link, but you'll have to copy and paste. The video says something like "Walton County may have found a way to deal with beach erosion..."

You are doing great. Not that long ago, I remember not knowing how to post a link, a thread, a photo, or how to edit. The people on this board are very helpful in helping you along, just ask.

[Smiling JOe]

Sorry--I need to go back to message board 101.
It's the right link, but you'll have to copy and paste. The video says something like "Walton County may have found a way to deal with beach erosion..." (the video is to the right of the story on the drowning..)

Found the link, but I use Firefox for my browser, and I think that is preventing me from seeing the video. I don't know how you would provide a link directly to the video, just go back and edit the post to include what you stated,

"The video says something like "Walton County may have found a way to deal with beach erosion..." (the video is to the right of the story on the drowning..)"

[aquaticbiology]

man oh man, what a mess!

ok, 3 things real quickly just to get them off my chest about nola/coast:

1) if they were not on a big boat they should have evacuted. that's it, period. no whailing about how bad it hurt them, they should have got out when they were told. if they'd have even gone to the superdome they or their loved ones would be wet but would still be alive today. harsh judgement for stupidity.

2) generators are great, but gas is expensive, and oh boy, do they eat gas

3) my heart goes out to the folks that lost their homes (provided they obeyed the mandatory evacutaion) and they are everywhere, so try to find somebody to help in your local area. I simply called the holiday inn in birmingham, alabama, immediately found a family that came from Slidell, and paid for their room for 2 days. The hurricane rate was cheap! They can't go back for days and even the cheap rate adds up for these folks.

that's about it about that

we still don't have power and it was very hot today here in north central alabama (I left mizippi when I was told to go). went down to the gas station and got 12 gallons of gas for the generator. it had gone up a dime since yesterday, so I hate to see it this weekend. rv was so cool after being outside. just don't know how those without power and no rv and generator are going to make it.

[drsvelte]

I love the Donut Hole - this is a great gesture! They have great sandwiches - the reuben is really terrific. Hopefully, I will be able to get back in October and I will visit them even more frequently. :laughing1

BTW, Baton Rouge is now the largest city in Louisiana and one of the biggest in the southeqst. Estimates have our population nearly doubling to one million with the evacuees.

[Smiling JOe]

By choice, I have lived in the woods for several months. I cannot imagine not being properly equiped and being forced to live without the comforts of "home," like running water, water period, food, A/C, etc. For those who survive the tradgedy, I hope they all learn something about themselves. It could be life-changing.

[Smiling JOe]

I love the Donut Hole - this is a great gesture! They have great sandwiches - the reuben is really terrific. Hopefully, I will be able to get back in October and I will visit them even more frequently. :laughing1

BTW, Baton Rouge is now the largest city in Louisiana and one of the biggest in the southeqst. Estimates have our population nearly doubling to one million with the evacuees.

There may be other local businesses doing similar things. I just caught the Donut Hole in the act of spreading goodness. :clap_1:

[aquaticbiology]

geotube video :floor: :rofl: :laughing1 :lolabove:

well I laughed anyway

[wetwilly]

Saw the geotupe video. :floor: Brad Pikel did not completely slam them but he did indicate that this storm (Katrina) was probably not the best test case because for the most for the SoWal area it was appeared to be a "net positive" storm that deposited more sand on the beach than it took away. IMO it was not a storm that hit close enough to SoWal to cause the kind of surge that would be a good test for these mud filled tubes. Sounds like the threat of the tube breaking open and spilling brown sand onto the beach and the tube material floating or strewn on the beach after it comes apart.

Additionally, from what I heard, the story said "one Walton County man may have found a solution...." not that "Walton County" may have found a solution. I know people that are gulf front are trying to save their homes but these don't appear to have enough field testing under extreme, strenuous conditions IMO.

Did Lee Perry "invent" these things? Cuz that is what the reporter indicated?

[Moondance]

Saw the geotupe video. :floor: Brad Pikel did not completely slam them but he did indicate that this storm (Katrina) was probably not the best test case because for the most for the SoWal area it was appeared to be a "net positive" storm that deposited more sand on the beach than it took away. IMO it was not a storm that hit close enough to SoWal to cause the kind of surge that would be a good test for these mud filled tubes. Sounds like the threat of the tube breaking open and spilling brown sand onto the beach and the tube material floating or strewn on the beach after it comes apart.

Additionally, from what I heard, the story said "one Walton County man may have found a solution...." not that "Walton County" may have found a solution. I know people that are gulf front are trying to save their homes but these don't appear to have enough field testing under extreme, strenuous conditions IMO.

Did Lee Perry "invent" these things? Cuz that is what the reporter indicated?Here is a Summary of a study of "beach armoring" which employed a similar geo-tube product (thanks to Richard for the original post on another thread):

thread link: http://www.sowal.com/bb/showthread.php?p=14491#post14491 (http://www.sowal.com/bb/showthread.php?p=14491#post14491)
attachment - full 14 page .pdf report: http://www.sowal.com/bb/attachment.php?attachmentid=138 (http://www.sowal.com/bb/attachment.php?attachmentid=138)

4.2 – Summary
In April of 2003 a ProTecTube III dune stabilization system was installed in front of five (5) beachfront homes located on White Sands Drive [edit: not Gulf Trace], Cape San Blas, Gulf County, Florida. This system was placed along the shoreline and subsequently hit by Hurricane Ivan approximately 17 months after installation in September 2004. Consequently, the FDEP was asked to make a determination of the viability of the ProTecTube III system. Research efforts revealed a lack of quantitative data available for the evaluation. As a result, the majority of the data available to conduct this evaluation was qualitative.

During this 17 month period the ProTecTube III system did not encountered storm conditions from a 5 to 10 year storm tide event for which it was designed. As such, the system has not been tested against design conditions. Notwithstanding, the performance of the ProTecTube III system can be evaluated for storm events encountered during the 2004 hurricane season, Tropical Storm Bonnie, and Hurricanes Frances and Ivan.

Following Hurricane Ivan, the ProTecTube III caused the formation of a ridge and runnel system between the sand-filled containers and homes. This feature caused an abnormal swash pattern by trapping water in the structures lee creating a shoreline parallel scour trench. This resulted in increased vertical profile change and greater erosion damage in the lee of the ProTecTube III. Overall approximately 35-45 ft. of shoreline retreat resulted from the impact of Hurricane Ivan, with similar losses were observed along the adjacent beaches. The ProTecTube III system is not designed to protect against hurricanes and did not prevent erosion losses during Hurricane Ivan.

Both ends of the ProTecTube III were flanked resulting in increased erosion and scalloping as a result of Hurricane Ivan. Outside the vicinity of these flanked zones, the dunes returned to a position consistent with that of the adjacent shoreline. Based on available data for the study, the beach in the area of the ProTecTube III system did not fair any better than properties adjacent to the project site.

White Sands Project - Evaluation Report 12

The ProTecTube III system did not sustain any physical damage resulting from Tropical Storm Bonnie and Hurricanes Frances and Ivan. The system did not appear to be twisted, ripped or deformed in any way following the storm events. Evidence of damage to other coastal armoring structures in the project region was observed, while the ProTecTube III system remained intact and undamaged.

[Smiling JOe]

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2005/images/katrina-eyewall-1-08-28-2005b.jpg

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2005/images/katrina-eyewall-6-08-28-2005b.jpg

Hurricane Katrina eyewall images (http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2005/s2496.htm) taken on Sunday, Aug. 28, 2005, during a NOAA P-3 hurricane hunter flight at the time the storm was a Category Five hurricane. Please credit “NOAA.”

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2005/images/katrina-08-28-2005-1545zc2.jpg

[BeachDreamer]

Amazing pictures!

[Smiling JOe]

How are these people surviving in the extremely hot attics? The attics must be 120+ degrees.

[Miss Kitty]

How are these people surviving in the extremely hot attics? The attics must be 120+ degrees.

I fear they are not surviving, SJ.

[Miss Kitty]

I hope everyone has heard Lt. General Honore of the Army (he is from LA) and his very common sense explanation on the effects of Katrina. I have been waiting for someone of good reputation to step up and really explain the exact timeline of this storm...he does. This storm was so far reaching and caused so much destruction the day of the hit and of course the next day when the levee broke. The news media (some of them) are so desperate to find someone to blame they just about cut him off. No doubt there will be questions and lessons learned from this, but we need to remember to get all the facts...even though that is hard when we see and hear the tragic stories unfold. God Bless America.

[kurt]

I hope everyone has heard Lt. General Honore of the Army (he is from LA) and his very common sense explanation on the effects of Katrina. I have been waiting for someone of good reputation to step up and really explain the exact timeline of this storm...he does. This storm was so far reaching and caused so much destruction the day of the hit and of course the next day when the levee broke. The news media (some of them) are so desperate to find someone to blame they just about cut him off. No doubt there will be questions and lessons learned from this, but we need to remember to get all the facts...even though that is hard when we see and hear the tragic dtories unfold. God Bless America.

Mayor Nagin the other day said Bush had done one thing right - he sent a John Wayne guy down here (Honore) who got off the plane cussing at eveyone to get moving.