Alys, Rosemary, Watercolor

[Sambuca26]

If you would buy a house in one of these communities, which one would you pick? please explain why, if possible. What other communities are worth looking at? Where are the best values?

[Smiling JOe]

If you would buy a house in one of these communities, which one would you pick? please explain why, if possible. What other communities are worth looking at? Where are the best values?
Those are wide open questions. Expect many answers.

[JoshMclean]

I would choose Watercolor personally. Alys and Rosemary are overpriced in my opinion for what they offer. All three are very expensive regardless. You really wouldn't ever need to leave Watercolor if you didn't want to. I live in Santa Rosa Beach so I am not bias to any of the areas.
The very natural beauty of Watercolor is what really attracts me. There are tons of great trails for walking/biking in the area also. Be ready for high insurance and association dues in all 3 areas.

[rancid]

I would pick Grayton Beach over all of those

[SGB]

I would choose Watercolor personally. Alys and Rosemary are overpriced in my opinion for what they offer. All three are very expensive regardless. You really wouldn't ever need to leave Watercolor if you didn't want to. I live in Santa Rosa Beach so I am not bias to any of the areas.
The very natural beauty of Watercolor is what really attracts me. There are tons of great trails for walking/biking in the area also. Be ready for high insurance and association dues in all 3 areas.

High property taxes too! I'm not really a "development" type person, so none of them really appeal to me, but if I had to I also, would choose Watercolor. Seems more florida beachy and native and there's a smidge more space between the houses. I also like the beach/pool club being on the beach, with access to a restaurant/bar. I don't know how the association fees compare, I hear that they're all pretty high.

Although it's not on your list, I also really like Watersound. Beautiful beaches and homes.

[Margarita]

Watercolor for me. I like the beach club, restaurants, nature trails, Western Lake, architecture, Ceruleans and all that Watercolor offers.

[tistheseason]

I have to say Alys. I love the feeling that it envokes.

But you really wouldn't go wrong with any of the above. It just depends on the particular house/lot you are looking for.

[Indigo Jill]

Alys Beach for me, but a few years ago I may have said WaterColor because of my boys' ages - they are now older so our needs aren't the same as far as parks, children's programs, etc. go. (WaterColor is a great place for families with small children). I say Alys Beach for many reasons but I personally love the architecture - oh, the courtyards! It's a green community and the homes are built like fortresses (think hurricanes here), and, once the community is built out, there will be something like 9 restaurants scattered around the community, a town center and a private beach club. I think the community will hold it's value IMO.

[Sambuca26]

Thanks for all of the feedback.

Seems like every house is for sale in Rosemary.

How long do they expect before Alys is built out?

Have the prices in these comunities come down from the high?

Which area is likely to hold their value - appreciate?

[fisher]

Thanks for all of the feedback.

Seems like every house is available in Rosemary.

How long do they expect before Alys is built out?

There is much more inventory available in Watercolor than Rosemary, but WC is a bigger community. However, as a percent of homes built or under construction, Watersound may have the highest percentage of homes for sale.

At the rate of sales that occurred in 2007 (there weren't many sales in 2006), Alys won't be built out until probably 2080 as there will eventually be over 800 units. I know some folks like Alys, but I would say that I hear one positive comment about Alys for every 10 negative comments. Seems most people hate the zero lot line that many of the houses have in Alys, plus the staggering whiteness on a sunny day plus the lack of much greenery around the houses due to the zero lot lines. If you want really private quarters, Alys has that. If you want open space between houses, greenery around the houses, color and diversity of architecture, Alys would not be for you.

I hear lots of positive comments about Watersound from folks without kids. However, I hear the most positive comments about Watercolor due to the beach club with dining, bike trails, canoeing, fishing in Western lake, proximity to the shops and dining in Seaside, the proximity to Publix, surrounded on a couple of sides by state park, and the central location on 30A.

Good luck.

[olive]

How long do they expect before Alys is built out?



10-12 years total.

[flyforfun]

You want go wrong in any of those communities. I personally like Watersound Beach (home under construction) because its gated, lots are larger and offers much more privacy. Regardless of where you choose, try to get at least an ocean or water view because its more attractive to renters and property appreciation is greater.

[supermom26.2]

My vote is for Rosemary Beach. It is smaller, has one of the largest percentages of permanent residents, has a great pre-school and elementary school (the only neighborhood that has both of these) and a new church.

[fisher]

My vote is for Rosemary Beach. It is smaller, has one of the largest percentages of permanent residents, has a great pre-school and elementary school (the only neighborhood that has both of these) and a new church.

Rosemary has some cool houses.

However, it does back up to highway 98 and is at the very end of 30A with little shelter from what may happen as PCB expands west. I'm not sure where the height restrictions end as you leave 30A headed toward PCB.

[fisher]

10-12 years total.


In 2 years, they have sold less than 50 properties and the vast majority of those sold in the first year. At the average pace of sales over the first 2 years, it will take 30 more years to build out. At the rate of sales over the last year, it will take 100 plus years to build out.

[Franny]

Watercolor, and the prices have come down considerably. We have a home for sale in Phase I, which has been reduced $500,000. Send me a PM if interested.

[30A Skunkape]

Watercolor. There are no F*** balconies in the other 2 communities.

[Camp Creek Kid]

Watercolor. There are no F*** balconies in the other 2 communities.


??? Rosemary has balconies.

[30A Skunkape]

??? Rosemary has balconies.

:lolabove: Miss Kitty's Watercolor balcony is lovingly nicknamed the F*** balcony. Apparently the view inspires people to curse...sorry to have confused anyone about this joke.

[Miss Kitty]

:lolabove: Miss Kitty's Watercolor balcony is lovingly nicknamed the F*** balcony. Apparently the view inspires people to curse...sorry to have confused anyone about this joke.

:floor: ...you are next, you MoFo Dr.!!!!!

[Camp Creek Kid]

:lolabove: Miss Kitty's Watercolor balcony is lovingly nicknamed the F*** balcony. Apparently the view inspires people to curse...sorry to have confused anyone about this joke.

Oh. :blush:

[Paula]

I don't have a preference for any of the ones you mention over the other but I'd consider things like the following in no particular order:

1. Do I like the architecture but if there's not a very strong difference then I'd consider:

a. how big a community do I want to be a part of
b. what do I want in that community (restaurants, coffee shop, school, church, post office) - how close do I want to be to grocery stores, supermarkets, dry cleaners, post office, etc.
c. where on 30A do I want to be located -- how close to 98 Panama City Beach way or 98 Sandestin way -- and what does it look like around the community
d. how many pools and how big/heated?
e. what are the association fees/heating fees/utilities/insurance/etc?
f. what do I think about the rentals in the community and how the rentals are marketed/managed?
g. how close to the beach
h. how hurricane-safe are the buildings
i. is it a quiet community or a more active community
j. what's going to happen in the area of the community in 5 years, 10 years, 20 years
k. what will we as a family be using it for over the long run -- retirement for one or two people, family get-togethers - is the community friendly to retirees/large groups of families
l. how's the management of the community?
m. what's it like there in the peak season and off season?
n. how's security if that ever becomes a concern?
o. Are there restrictions in building or lifestyle that would be annoying or that would be helpful?
p. How will the place/community look like as it ages? how will the trees/natural landscape look?
q. Do I want a natural landscape or one that needs to be kept up?
r. How high up on the dunes do I want the place to be either for the appearance of the community or for storm surge?
s. How does the community handle beach access after storms/hurricanes if the beach access goes out? Are there plans to put in those stairs that can be retracted? How long does it take the community get access again after storms?
t. Which has the beach that I like most?


Whew, that was fun... These are the kinds of things I thought about before getting our places. I tend to worry a lot about the details and then once the worrying is over and the decisions/trade-offs made, I tend to stop worrying and thoroughly enjoy the choice.

PS: We bought two 3-bedroom, 2 bath cottages at the Cottages at Camp Creek with the beach across the street. The community is very different from the communities you mention -- much simpler, nothing but pretty one story old-Florida style cottages (about 30) with large porches, most surrounding a pool/hot tub with native landscaping, and larger 2-3 story cottages in the front and back of the community (about 6 large cottages in the front and 6 in the back) in the Seacrest Beach area. These cottages are much more affordable than the other places you mentioned (which was important to us) and, for our needs, we like not having restaurants, etc., in our community because we like the privacy of only having the owners/renters come through. We also like the low association fees. They're low because the community doesn't have all the extra stuff to support and the use of native landscaping keeps costs low. We can walk or drive to other places for restaurants, etc. And, though the cottages have 3 bedrooms, they are 1100 square feet or so. So, they're big enough when we bring family, but they are a comfortable size for when only 1 or 2 people are there, as may happen come retirement time. Having the two side by side cottages is nice because other family can come and we're close but can spread out a bit. Everyone values different things but we still love our choices. Everyone has to pick what's right for them, of course.

[Gypsea]

Paula, that is a great comprehensive list ~ it should help anyone trying to make that decision along 30A. I can't think of anything that you forgot to include.

[Paula]

Thanks, Gypsea. It would be interesting to see what others would add. There are so many options on 30A and people want different things, so it's good to know what questions to ask oneself and others. I think considering how a family/lifestyle/community/landscape/surroundings will change over time is important. I happily realized I forgot to add "market value" and "potential increase/decrease in value over time" to my previous list because that was certainly something we considered, but it wasn't the driving factor for us because we were buying for lifestyle and for the long-term (though the cottages did well from a financial perspective as well even though that's pretty irrelevant to us for the next 20 - 40 years or more!) -- and we made sure we didn't buy beyond our means.

[Sambuca26]

Paula,

Thanks a bunch. Many things to think about.

For lifestyle and appreciation potential, if you had $2MM and could only pick one place, where would you buy?

[JoshMclean]

If I had $2million I would have a nice home on the bay!! Not to knock either of the 3 communities, but I like a little more privacy. Also a dock and boat don't hurt!! If you have children living with you then Watercolor is a no-brainer IMO. Alys and Rosemary are both nice areas, but both have room for adjustment. Rosemary is one of the most grossly overpriced areas in the panhandle. Watercolor should hold value very well in the years to come. I see Rosemary really coming down before becoming a good investment. Sandwiched between 30A and 98 is not a desireable spot to me. I would really take a look around before I made a decision. You can get a lot for $2million. If you want me to send you a few things in that price range to look at let me know.

[Sambuca26]

Thanks Josh,

We have been visiting your beautiful area for many years, and absolutely love it. Trying to find out what is a good place, good value, and a good investment. Have a wife and little girl (almost 2). I think your market will bottom out here in early 2007. Correct me if you think differently.

Thanks folks for all of the advice and wisdom.

Dave

[JoshMclean]

I do agree with you thinking that the market will bottom out this year. Many people on this board are at opposite end of the spectrum as I've noticed. If I had to choose between the 3 I would take Watercolor over the other 2 any day of the week. There are plenty of deals out there right now with sellers needing to deal (For whatever reason). I think Watercolor is the best long-term investment by far. Alys and Rosemary are not geared toward children in the same way that Watercolor is. Also, the proximity to Destin would be a consideration for me.

[Paula]

You're welcome, Sambuca. (by the way, I love Sambuca.) I really haven't thought about whether I'd prefer the architecture of one of those communities or another, but I like being on the west end of 30A because it seems less crowded in general (e.g., the beaches) and I like being closer to Panama City Beach - I think PCB is going to have some nice things going on (movie theatre, stores, restaurants) within 10 miles or so of the west end of 30A and I like it that Panama City Beach still has some of the old-fashioned places. I also like the PCB beaches (though I've only been to them twice). So, you'd want to think about whether you want to be closer to PCB or Destin and what's going to happen in the long run with PCB and Destin. Also, you'll want to consider distance from the airport if you want to fly in regularly. These wouldn't be the biggest deciding factors for me, but I wanted to make the case that many people really prefer the location of Rosemary Beach. I'd consider traffic patterns now and in the future as well. I find traffic to be reasonable even in the summer on the west end of 30A.

Of course, if I had a place elsewhere on 30A I would have chosen it for different reasons and could have made an honest case why I preferred that location.

And, once you've thought of all the different considerations, I'd spend a lot of time just visiting the different places to see which one moves you emotionally as well -- it will just feel right, though you may not be able to explain why. Then you can go back to your list of trade-offs to see if it's still a wise decision.

[Mermaid]

And, once you've thought of all the different considerations, I'd spend a lot of time just visiting the different places to see which one moves you emotionally as well -- it will just feel right, though you may not be able to explain why. Then you can go back to your list of trade-offs to see if it's still a wise decision.

Paula, that was exactly what I was going to say to Sambuca, and you've said it so well.

Sambuca, all three of those communities you've mentioned are wonderful, and all for different reasons. My layman's opinion is that all of them will serve you well investment-wise. But what does that matter, if you're splitting hairs about which is the best investment, if you're not 100% happy with it? Every single house my husband and I have bought "spoke" to us within five minutes of walking in the door. As Paula as said, there's not anything you can exactly pinpoint--all other things being equal--it's simply a feeling you have. When you have the right house, there's no mistaking that it's yours. It's the best intangible about homeownership, the one that makes all the obligations of ownership worthwhile.

[Sambuca26]

Paula - Mermaid,

Thanks so much for the advice. Trying to get a feel for what the locals think. Your advice is appreciated. We plan to spend a week in April in your area to relax and look around. We are very familiar with SanDestin, Seaside, Alys, Watercolor, Rosemary, etc. What areas do you recommend we see with regards to real estate? What other areas should we go to to have fun?

[jdarg]

We live near the bay, north of 98. I think we will really appreciate our location during the vacation season- already I have noticed that it is a quick escape from the traffic! Also, there seems to be mostly full time residents in our area.

[Mermaid]

Paula - Mermaid,

Thanks so much for the advice. Trying to get a feel for what the locals think. Your advice is appreciated. We plan to spend a week in April in your area to relax and look around. We are very familiar with SanDestin, Seaside, Alys, Watercolor, Rosemary, etc. What areas do you recommend we see with regards to real estate? What other areas should we go to to have fun?

Sambuca, you're putting a lot of pressure on yourself! Spend your week in April, enjoy it, soak it in...and return as often as you can. Trust me, you'll get a feel for what you like soon enough and then everything will fall in place. Nothing in SoWal is so far apart that you can't visit at least a few times!

I'd also read this board. You can pick up a lot on the different forums.

[Paula]

Sambuca: I'm a lazy SoWaller when I get there and I just love to stay at our place, beach, pool, see friends, go to restaurants. We don't get there very much right now, so I figure I'll have years to do everything else in SoWal starting in about 5 years, so I'm just enjoying laying low and completely relaxing (reading books with my tea and scone in the morning at the beach or on the porch -- I highly recommend a place with a porch -- and spending sunset on the beach with friends/family is pretty thrilling to me). Now Mermaid does a LOT more stuff and I, too, will join her in her adventures some day -- biking, kayaking.

If I were you, I'd book a week and stay with the family at each of the places you're interested in.

You must be having funn with this decision about where to buy a place in SoWal!

[Chickpea]

I do agree with you thinking that the market will bottom out this year. Many people on this board are at opposite end of the spectrum as I've noticed. If I had to choose between the 3 I would take Watercolor over the other 2 any day of the week. There are plenty of deals out there right now with sellers needing to deal (For whatever reason). I think Watercolor is the best long-term investment by far. Alys and Rosemary are not geared toward children in the same way that Watercolor is. Also, the proximity to Destin would be a consideration for me.

Josh,
I politely take issue with the way you are supposedly stating facts - what you are writing is just an opinion as is what I am writing. Many people will disagree with your assessment that Watercolor is BY FAR the best long term investment. I really like WC and think it is a very desirable to live. I also know many people who feel the exact same way about Rosemary and Alys.
Rosemary Beach has many full time residents all of whom would take exception to your saying that the community if not geared towards children. And they would add that what is happening is Panama City may be as desirable and possibly more so than Destin, even if for right now PCB does not have the same amenities.
All 3 neighborhoods: WC, RB and AB have their positives and it will ultimately be decisions of private preferences. And once you live here long enough you thankfully realize that the these communities are fluid and moving back and forth between them is not only fun but is constantly done. I have 2 kids and we float all year round between a number of these communities (not only the 3 you mention) and love the fact that the variety in terms of architecture, landscape and amenities varies.
Thank you.

[Chickpea]

Sambuca, you're putting a lot of pressure on yourself! Spend your week in April, enjoy it, soak it in...and return as often as you can. Trust me, you'll get a feel for what you like soon enough and then everything will fall in place. Nothing in SoWal is so far apart that you can't visit at least a few times!

I'd also read this board. You can pick up a lot on the different forums.

I completely agre with Mango -hang around, enjoy yourself and you will define for yourself what you are attracted to and where you would maybe want to live if you moved here or invested here.

I am not sure why so many people want to pit communities against each other or talk about relative values- we thankfully have choices here in prices as well as locations and that is a good thing!!

[supermom26.2]

Josh,
I politely take issue with the way you are supposedly stating facts - what you are writing is just an opinion as is what I am writing. Many people will disagree with your assessment that Watercolor is BY FAR the best long term investment. I really like WC and think it is a very desirable to live. I also know many people who feel the exact same way about Rosemary and Alys.
Rosemary Beach has many full time residents all of whom would take exception to your saying that the community if not geared towards children. And they would add that what is happening is Panama City may be as desirable and possibly more so than Destin, even if for right now PCB does not have the same amenities.
All 3 neighborhoods: WC, RB and AB have their positives and it will ultimately be decisions of private preferences. And once you live here long enough you thankfully realize that the these communities are fluid and moving back and forth between them is not only fun but is constantly done. I have 2 kids and we float all year round between a number of these communities (not only the 3 you mention) and love the fact that the variety in terms of architecture, landscape and amenities varies.
Thank you.

My thoughts exactly!:wub:

[Chickpea]

Phew! Thanks for the quick reply - I was bracing myself for some attacks!

[JoshMclean]

You need to read all of my posts again. They are all opinion. That's my "I think" is used a lot as is IMO. People on this board are so jumpy. Please read thoroughly before you begin to criticize other's posts.
Thank you

[JoshMclean]

Josh,
I politely take issue with the way you are supposedly stating facts - what you are writing is just an opinion as is what I am writing. Many people will disagree with your assessment that Watercolor is BY FAR the best long term investment. I really like WC and think it is a very desirable to live. I also know many people who feel the exact same way about Rosemary and Alys.
Rosemary Beach has many full time residents all of whom would take exception to your saying that the community if not geared towards children. And they would add that what is happening is Panama City may be as desirable and possibly more so than Destin, even if for right now PCB does not have the same amenities.
All 3 neighborhoods: WC, RB and AB have their positives and it will ultimately be decisions of private preferences. And once you live here long enough you thankfully realize that the these communities are fluid and moving back and forth between them is not only fun but is constantly done. I have 2 kids and we float all year round between a number of these communities (not only the 3 you mention) and love the fact that the variety in terms of architecture, landscape and amenities varies.
Thank you.

I don't really understand what point you are making with quoting me on this. Please feel free to elaborate. Also, when I ask someone for an opinion I expect an opinion. Sambuca clearly said which of the 3 would you rather live in? I clearly stated an answer and my thoughts on why. i'm sorry that I have a logical way of thinking. I rather not respond by saying...Follow your feelings Sambuca, All 3 are great, You can travel to all 3. Wow, how general can you be? What does fluidity between the 3 communities have anything to do with choosing one of the communites as a residence? I'm honestly not trying to attack anyone, but would just like an explanation.

[TooFarTampa]

Sambuca we have a lot in Seagrove (long-term investment :D ) and part ownership of a house in Seacrest Beach North, which is located right between Alys and Rosemary. We like to park in our Seagrove lot and go down to the nearby beach access; we love Grayton; of course we love hanging out on the East end of 30-A and see lots of neat stuff going on there and into that side of PCB. I think what Paula and Mermy said about going with your gut is the best advice! If we could go anywhere in 30-A, and I mean anywhere, I would have trouble choosing among the following: A mid-sized place in Grayton Beach, an empty lot in low-density Paradise by the Sea (located right between Alys and Rosemary) and a well-located house in Watersound. But my husband might say Rosemary or Alys Beach.

You cannot go wrong with any of the above suggestions. Just do your due dilligence and see where your heart takes you. :wub: Everyone has a slightly different view of paradise.

[goodwitch58]

Paula, from everything you've said about your places...I think you are on the East end of 30A. PCB is East, not West of 30A..just a little detail that had been bothering me!:cool:

[Franny]

:lolabove: Miss Kitty's Watercolor balcony is lovingly nicknamed the F*** balcony. Apparently the view inspires people to curse...sorry to have confused anyone about this joke.

You got me too!!:floor: :floor: :floor:

[Chickpea]

I don't really understand what point you are making with quoting me on this. Please feel free to elaborate. Also, when I ask someone for an opinion I expect an opinion. Sambuca clearly said which of the 3 would you rather live in? I clearly stated an answer and my thoughts on why. i'm sorry that I have a logical way of thinking. I rather not respond by saying...Follow your feelings Sambuca, All 3 are great, You can travel to all 3. Wow, how general can you be? What does fluidity between the 3 communities have anything to do with choosing one of the communites as a residence? I'm honestly not trying to attack anyone, but would just like an explanation.

Josh,

Please do not be so sensitive - I did not mean to critique you - your writing just did not come across as opinion to me - does not matter at all though how I read it and you are correct that you were giving your opinion.

I am also not remotely interested in getting into an argument with you on this thread. My only point was to state that in my opinion, all 3 communities offer quite different architecture, landscape and amenities and an apple to apple comparison is difficult (again just my opinion).

And fluidity between communities means that it is very easy to go from one to the other and that is a good thing because one does not necessarily have to live in one of these to appreciate their amenities.

[InletBchDweller]

*****PLEASE NOTE THAT THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT IS MY OPINION AND IS NOT TO INSULT ANY OTHER POSTERS******
Chickpea, I agree with you also. I personally would rather be on the East end of 30-a as I prefer doing business in PCB over Destin. (not as congested IMHO) RB is very family oriented and Alys is well on their way as they are still young. As a Seacrest Beach Subdivision owner I am happy to be "stuck" in the middle of such great subdivisions. :wub: Josh,
I politely take issue with the way you are supposedly stating facts - what you are writing is just an opinion as is what I am writing. Many people will disagree with your assessment that Watercolor is BY FAR the best long term investment. I really like WC and think it is a very desirable to live. I also know many people who feel the exact same way about Rosemary and Alys.
Rosemary Beach has many full time residents all of whom would take exception to your saying that the community if not geared towards children. And they would add that what is happening is Panama City may be as desirable and possibly more so than Destin, even if for right now PCB does not have the same amenities.
All 3 neighborhoods: WC, RB and AB have their positives and it will ultimately be decisions of private preferences. And once you live here long enough you thankfully realize that the these communities are fluid and moving back and forth between them is not only fun but is constantly done. I have 2 kids and we float all year round between a number of these communities (not only the 3 you mention) and love the fact that the variety in terms of architecture, landscape and amenities varies.
Thank you.

[Camp Creek Kid]

Chickpea, I agree with you also. I personally would rather be on the East end of 30-a as I prefer doing business in PCB over Destin. (not as congested IMHO) RB is very family oriented and Alys is well on their way as they are still young. As a Seacrest Beach Subdivision owner I am happy to be "stuck" in the middle of such great subdivisions. :wub:


I agree with you IBD. We've lived on the East End for 5 1/2 years and it is "home." I wouldn't consider going anywhere else.

All of the developments offer a lot to owners and guests. It just depends on what you want and where you're comfortable.

I must add that much of the dynamics of Alys, Rosemary, and Watercolor have to do more with who lives/owns/stays there than what amenities they have or their style of architecture. This is why its important to "test drive" a community before you buy. I know that Rosemary has a lot of families who are very supportive of each other--it is real small town neighborhood. I don't know as much about Watercolor, but I've heard it is the same way there. At this point, there aren't too many full-time residents of Alys Beach, but the few that are there, are outstanding people. For that matter, SoWal is full of outstanding people!

[rapunzel]

Alys...because they haven't plopped a big chain, Geography of Nowhere Starbucks in the middle of it. I love both Alys and Rosemary equally as far as the architecture goes, but I think the Starbucks in Rosemary destroyed the whole new urbanist flavor of the place.

[InletBchDweller]

Alys...because they haven't plopped a big chain, Geography of Nowhere Starbucks in the middle of it. I love both Alys and Rosemary equally as far as the architecture goes, but I think the Starbucks in Rosemary destroyed the whole new urbanist flavor of the place.

I feel the same way and seacrest cafe and wild olives both sell coffee. why have the BIG CHAIN come in. There seems to be a lOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOng line every morning at starbucks there. I support the small guys...:wub:

[JoshMclean]

Sam,
I dug up a few listings for you to take a look at along 30A. Here are the MLS #'s:
432950
450061
450679
424824
450069
448901
389907
414965
446552
439429
428842
442162
448455
440517
448648
You may want to look at some of these to get a very "general" idea of what your money will get you. You can look at them on my web site www.JoshMcleanHomes.com (http://www.JoshMcleanHomes.com) or on www.emeraldcoasthomesonline.com (http://www.emeraldcoasthomesonline.com).

[jdarg]

Sam,
I dug up a few listings for you to take a look at along 30A. Here are the MLS #'s:
432950
450061
450679
424824
450069
448901
389907
414965
446552
439429
428842
442162
448455
440517
448648
You may want to look at some of these to get a very "general" idea of what your money will get you. You can look at them on my web site www.JoshMcleanHomes.com (http://www.JoshMcleanHomes.com) or on www.emeraldcoasthomesonline.com. (http://www.emeraldcoasthomesonline.com.)

Darling, I feel like I am actively househunting again and I am not!!!! All of your plugs and listings - I think Kurt needs to make a "Josh McLean" thread. My head is spinning.:shock:

[DD]

Darling, I feel like I am actively househunting again and I am not!!!! All of your plugs and listings - I think Kurt needs to make a "Josh McLean" thread. My head is spinning.:shock:
:biggrin:

[Paula]

Paula, from everything you've said about your places...I think you are on the East end of 30A. PCB is East, not West of 30A..just a little detail that had been bothering me!:cool:

You're absolutely correct, goodwitch. Thanks for correcting me. I did the same thing about 3 years ago on this site and Kurt corrected me. I am east-end/west-end challenged. I am on the east end of 30A and love it for the reasons I mentioned. There are reasons to love just about any part of 30A -- it depends on what you're looking for.

[Miss Kitty]

:biggrin:

don't forget about these...

45393
47365
44325

It just could be the house for you! :biggrin:

[DD]

don't forget about these...

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It just could be the house for you! :biggrin:

:D
could be, and i've already got a realtor. :biggrin:

[John R]

the streets are too narrow in rosemary for me, and i don't hang out there often watercolor is nice for all the reasons mentioned above, but there's a lot of flux over there now. there is quite a lot of green space within WC. Alys is quite bright, but the details have been thought out to the nth degree. andreas considers it his crowning acheivement. the level of finish detail is not seen anywhere else on 30a, and i don't believe the entire developement is zero lot line based, just the first phase everyone knows already.

ymmv

[spinDrAtl]

Josh,

Please do not be so sensitive - I did not mean to critique you - your writing just did not come across as opinion to me - does not matter at all though how I read it and you are correct that you were giving your opinion.

I am also not remotely interested in getting into an argument with you on this thread. My only point was to state that in my opinion, all 3 communities offer quite different architecture, landscape and amenities and an apple to apple comparison is difficult (again just my opinion).

And fluidity between communities means that it is very easy to go from one to the other and that is a good thing because one does not necessarily have to live in one of these to appreciate their amenities.

Dislaimer: Not trying to start another argument - just an observation, which of course is only my opinion.

As a casual bystander of this thread, it seems you were quite sensitive to what Josh wrote and jumped in to defend Rosemary and Alys against what was clearly his opinion (at least to me). It also came off as confrontational, for what it's worth.

[Camp Creek Kid]

Dislaimer: Not trying to start another argument - just an observation, which of course is only my opinion.

As a casual bystander of this thread, it seems you were quite sensitive to what Josh wrote and jumped in to defend Rosemary and Alys against what was clearly his opinion (at least to me). It also came off as confrontational, for what it's worth.


Does it matter? I think we've all agreed that each development has its good and bad points. We all have our reasons for liking one development more than another. However, all have great residents, interesting architecture, and desireable amenities. Any one of these places would be a great place to own a home.

Now lets move on.

[spinDrAtl]

Does it matter?

For the purpose of the question asked, no it does not matter. But it seems like there are just so many people on here that take offense when someone doesn't have the same opinion on something. Disputing facts is one thing, but opinions vary like the weather. Why must everything be so confrontational?

Now lets move on.

Ummm, with all due respect, you are not the boss of me.

[Camp Creek Kid]

For the purpose of the question asked, no it does not matter. But it seems like there are just so many people on here that take offense when someone doesn't have the same opinion on something. Disputing facts is one thing, but opinions vary like the weather. Why must everything be so confrontational?



Ummm, with all due respect, you are not the boss of me.


I'm offended. Are you trying to pick a fight? ;-)

[spinDrAtl]

I'm offended. Are you trying to pick a fight? ;-)

Nope, not at all, but it seems like of a lot of that going around. :lol:

[JoshMclean]

Thank you spin, was seeing the same problem on here.

[Smiling JOe]

If you would buy a house in one of these communities, which one would you pick? please explain why, if possible. What other communities are worth looking at? Where are the best values?
Everyone has such different opinions and preferences that I don't know how their answers will help you. Unless, you can provide more information on what you qualities you like and dislike in a community and a home. Also, it would be helpful to know if this would be strictly an investment, primary residence, or second home. Are you looking for an interior home, or one with Gulf views or Gulf Front? Lastly, if you are considering Alys Beach, I assume that price is not an issue? If it is an issue, what are your price limitations?

I may like a drink of Malibu and Sprite, but don't expect to like it just because I drink it. ;-)

[Chickpea]

Everyone has such different opinions and preferences that I don't know how their answers will help you. Unless, you can provide more information on what you qualities you like and dislike in a community and a home. Also, it would be helpful to know if this would be strictly an investment, primary residence, or second home. Are you looking for an interior home, or one with Gulf views or Gulf Front? Lastly, if you are considering Alys Beach, I assume that price is not an issue? If it is an issue, what are your price limitations?

I may like a drink of Malibu and Sprite, but don't expect to like it just because I drink it. ;-)

Yes – Smiling Joe just put it much better than me as did CCK! Answering some of these questions would be helpful.

[SugarSand]

Those communities are all great, but isn't the question really "where" within them? A house in the far corner of Watercolor may not even have near the same qualities as one that has quick access to the beachclub, Seaside restaurants and a pool or two. What I would love to know as a non-local is the "skinny" on spots in these communities.

Does anyone have a view on Cypress Dunes?

Lastly, it seems there are some magic spots along 30A where the savy buyer gets a house, close to the beach, his or her own private pool and close walking access to a great community without the association fee. I am thinking that Water's Edge is one of those spots, as well as Long Vue drive.........am I right?
:chill:

[Sambuca26]

Smilin,

I will try. The property would be a 2nd home and an investment. Price is always an issue - meaning the property must combine good value & upside for the purchase price. I like all 3 communities. The location and style of Alys intrigued me - but I have not been down there in about a year. A place in Alys would not be a stretch, but if the value/upside/stability of Alys were not on the same level as any other communities, style and architecture become a secondary consideration. It seems that the price/SF in Alys is much larger than other areas, and question whether it is worth it.

Everyone has different opinions as to what they like and where they like it. I appreciate all of the feedback and enjoy reading why people feel a certain way about it - You folks know the area a helluva lot better than I, and am trying to gain as much local "scoop" as possible.

[Smiling JOe]

Sambuca, that is a little more helpful information, but still not nearly enough to be able to give you good info. You seem to be caring only about upside potential. Nothing wrong with that, it just isn't the norm for my buyers. Here goes my brief thought (at least I hope that I can keep it brief) based only on upside potential for those three communitites. WaterColor is probably the least expensive of the three, and there are plenty of ammenities and parks, and pools. Because there are already many existing homes in there, and many of those are currently on the market, sellers may be more willing to offer some good prices. Some are spec homes with the builders still holding on to the deed. If the builder bought the lot prior to 2004 he may not have as much in it and can underprice the competition. St Joe is undercutting the people who have already bought in order to get more cash in the bank. Personally, I like many things that WaterColor has to offer, and for me, it would feel a little more like home to me with much more land used as trails, Western Lake access, Publix down the street and close to Seaside, and centrally located east/west along 30A. I couldn't live year round, because of the numerous reasons summed up as, it is a second home and rental community. I think WaterColor has many more natural features than the other two, and it may be more bang for your buck if you can shop around and find someone who desparately needs to sell.

Which brings me to Alys Beach thoughts. Being that it is so new, there are not desparate builders and owners in there who are trying to sell, so you won't be finding those sales contracts covered in blood. You will pay a substantial price. It is IMO, the most distinct development in Walton County. The buildings are concrete, and may withstand a major storm better. I am not a structural engineer, but I would rather be in one of those houses when the mother storm hit rather than a stick frame home in WaterColor. The homes in Alys look more similar to me than the homes in WaterColor and Rosemary. Probably because they are all white. I like the feeling when inside the homes and courtyards because of the white walls bringing in so much light, but when outside without sunglasses, I have a very different opinion for the same reason of the enhanced light reflection. I think Alys Beach may become the place in SoWal where the who's who end up buying because of the privacy provided by the courtyards. I can easily see international buyers buying up Alys Beach. You said that it has been a year since you have seen it. It is growing rapidly. The pool is not like any other I have seen in the US resorts. It is not complete but coming together quickly. Personally, if I were buying in Alys Beach, I would buy one of the larger "compound" lots toward the northern part of the development. It is easier to escape the crowds, but still fairly close to everything. Go take a look at the house which is under construction on the compound lot. It is not your typical home, and I like it more than most homes I have been in down here. You need to think outside of the box when exploring it.

Rosemary Beach -- Where else have architects had the freedom to design some dream homes? This is one of the most architectural diverse communities I have ever seen. The thing I most dislike is that overly-crowded feeling I get when driving or walking through there. I love to look at the houses, but I find the tight lots make it difficult to see all of the beauty of the designs. Unless I am in a house overlooking an open courtyard, I just couldn't live there, and even then, I would still find it challenging. That community and general area are growing quite a bit and feels much better than it did two years ago. Expect strong prices, and there will be some upside potential on the right properties.

My personal order of preference would be WC followed by Alys Beach, then Rosemary Beach, if these were the only three I considered.

[TooFarTampa]

What a great analysis SJ! :clap_1:

[Gypsea]

Good job SJ!! :clap_1:

[JoshMclean]

Well put Joe

[Chickpea]

Sambuca, that is a little more helpful information, but still not nearly enough to be able to give you good info. You seem to be caring only about upside potential. Nothing wrong with that, it just isn't the norm for my buyers. Here goes my brief thought (at least I hope that I can keep it brief) based only on upside potential for those three communitites. WaterColor is probably the least expensive of the three, and there are plenty of ammenities and parks, and pools. Because there are already many existing homes in there, and many of those are currently on the market, sellers may be more willing to offer some good prices. Some are spec homes with the builders still holding on to the deed. If the builder bought the lot prior to 2004 he may not have as much in it and can underprice the competition. St Joe is undercutting the people who have already bought in order to get more cash in the bank. Personally, I like many things that WaterColor has to offer, and for me, it would feel a little more like home to me with much more land used as trails, Western Lake access, Publix down the street and close to Seaside, and centrally located east/west along 30A. I couldn't live year round, because of the numerous reasons summed up as, it is a second home and rental community. I think WaterColor has many more natural features than the other two, and it may be more bang for your buck if you can shop around and find someone who desparately needs to sell.

Which brings me to Alys Beach thoughts. Being that it is so new, there are not desparate builders and owners in there who are trying to sell, so you won't be finding those sales contracts covered in blood. You will pay a substantial price. It is IMO, the most distinct development in Walton County. The buildings are concrete, and may withstand a major storm better. I am not a structural engineer, but I would rather be in one of those houses when the mother storm hit rather than a stick frame home in WaterColor. The homes in Alys look more similar to me than the homes in WaterColor and Rosemary. Probably because they are all white. I like the feeling when inside the homes and courtyards because of the white walls bringing in so much light, but when outside without sunglasses, I have a very different opinion for the same reason of the enhanced light reflection. I think Alys Beach may become the place in SoWal where the who's who end up buying because of the privacy provided by the courtyards. I can easily see international buyers buying up Alys Beach. You said that it has been a year since you have seen it. It is growing rapidly. The pool is not like any other I have seen in the US resorts. It is not complete but coming together quickly. Personally, if I were buying in Alys Beach, I would buy one of the larger "compound" lots toward the northern part of the development. It is easier to escape the crowds, but still fairly close to everything. Go take a look at the house which is under construction on the compound lot. It is not your typical home, and I like it more than most homes I have been in down here. You need to think outside of the box when exploring it.

Rosemary Beach -- Where else have architects had the freedom to design some dream homes? This is one of the most architectural diverse communities I have ever seen. The thing I most dislike is that overly-crowded feeling I get when driving or walking through there. I love to look at the houses, but I find the tight lots make it difficult to see all of the beauty of the designs. Unless I am in a house overlooking an open courtyard, I just couldn't live there, and even then, I would still find it challenging. That community and general area are growing quite a bit and feels much better than it did two years ago. Expect strong prices, and there will be some upside potential on the right properties.

My personal order of preference would be WC followed by Alys Beach, then Rosemary Beach, if these were the only three I considered.

Looks who's been going around -sans moi???? Excellent analysis btw - you are always so fair and balanced...

[Sandcastle]

You're right on SJ. :clap_1: :clap_1:

[fisher]

Smilin,

I will try. The property would be a 2nd home and an investment. Price is always an issue - meaning the property must combine good value & upside for the purchase price. I like all 3 communities. The location and style of Alys intrigued me - but I have not been down there in about a year. A place in Alys would not be a stretch, but if the value/upside/stability of Alys were not on the same level as any other communities, style and architecture become a secondary consideration. It seems that the price/SF in Alys is much larger than other areas, and question whether it is worth it.

Everyone has different opinions as to what they like and where they like it. I appreciate all of the feedback and enjoy reading why people feel a certain way about it - You folks know the area a helluva lot better than I, and am trying to gain as much local "scoop" as possible.


If you like Alys, but do not like the pricing. The developer seems to be finally reacting to the current state of the market. It appears that the developer is slashing prices on lots and homes (see separate thread on Alys Beach pricing). So, if you like Alys and you believe the market is near a bottom (not my opinion, but others feel differently), you might consider taking a second look and making a lowball offer on something that catches your eye.

Again, I know lots of people that have looked at Alys and the other areas you are interested in and the general consensus I hear (with a few exceptions) is that Alys is too monotone and too cramped. Very few people I know that have searched the area really like Alys after taking a hard look at the product and the community. On the other hand, these people seem to really be drawn to Watercolor and to a lesser extent Watersound due to the natural beauty of the developments and the amenities.

Good luck.

[John R]

i believe people are basing the 'cramped' statements on the courtyard neighborhood of alys, the only one that is readily available to walk around in. like every other developement on 30a, there is more there than currently meets the eye. i think the use of 'zero lot lines' with regards to the entire development is innacurate.

[fisher]

i believe people are basing the 'cramped' statements on the courtyard neighborhood of alys, the only one that is readily available to walk around in. like every other developement on 30a, there is more there than currently meets the eye. i think the use of 'zero lot lines' with regards to the entire development is innacurate.

According to the marketing data I saw, the majority of the houses will be courtyard homes. However, there will also be a large number of larger homes and compounds. Regardless, there won't be nearly as much natural vegetation/greenery as in Watercolor and Watersound. Nor will there be the abundance of bike trails or lake access as in these other neighborhoods.

[John R]

According to the marketing data I saw, the majority of the houses will be courtyard homes. However, there will also be a large number of larger homes and compounds. Regardless, there won't be nearly as much natural vegetation/greenery as in Watercolor and Watersound. Nor will there be the abundance of bike trails or lake access as in these other neighborhoods.

agreed, with regards to the amount of greenspace, st. joe has more than they know what to do with. and, they happen to have property on inland dune lakes, which alys doesn't. so, when you have less shoreline... with regards to bike trails, who knows what will be installed on the north end of alys? again, based on the amount of acreage, anything will be less than st. joe can do.

[Indigo Jill]

Again, I know lots of people that have looked at Alys and the other areas you are interested in and the general consensus I hear (with a few exceptions) is that Alys is too monotone and too cramped. Very few people I know that have searched the area really like Alys after taking a hard look at the product and the community. On the other hand, these people seem to really be drawn to Watercolor and to a lesser extent Watersound due to the natural beauty of the developments and the amenities.

Good luck.

I tend to always go the opposite direction of the consensus and why I believe, as others have pointed out here, Alys will attract the "whos who" and hold value.

[fisher]

I tend to always go the opposite direction of the consensus and why I believe, as others have pointed out here, Alys will attract the "whos who" and hold value.

IJ,

Ask the people who bought in Alys in 2005 and 2006 what they think about the value of their homes after the developer just undercut the prices they paid by 30-40%.

I am unaware of any whos whos buying in Alys, but their might be some. However, there are a couple whos whos I know of in Watercolor including the esteemed (or maybe not esteemed depending on your point of view) Senator and Dr. Bill Frist (and don't forget the world renowned SueShore:D ).

[fisher]

I tend to always go the opposite direction of the consensus and why I believe, as others have pointed out here, Alys will attract the "whos who" and hold value.

So being the go against the grain kind of person that you are, does that mean that you were selling your real estate holdings in 2003, 2004 and 2005 during the mad days of speculation, but now you are buying everything in sight during the "crash"? Likewise, in 1998 and 1999, were you selling all your equities and then you started scooping them up like crazy in 2001 and again in 2003, and now you are selling them off again?

Also, I guess that means the Hilton palace next to Rosemary is your favorite house along 30A.;-)

[Indigo Jill]

IJ,

Ask the people who bought in Alys in 2005 and 2006 what they think about the value of their homes after the developer just undercut the prices they paid by 30-40%.

I am unaware of any whos whos buying in Alys, but their might be some. However, there are a couple whos whos I know of in Watercolor including the esteemed (or maybe not esteemed depending on your point of view) Senator and Dr. Bill Frist (and don't forget the world renowned SueShore:D ).

If they purchased in Alys Beach, or WC, WS, or ANYWHERE in Sowal in the last few years like a stock trade, I'm sure they aren't happy but I have no sympathy whatsoever. The people who purchased for the long term, and the "lifestyle" each community affords them (and that is totally subjective) are the ones I'm talking about. Prices in Alys Beach are higher than the other communities but Alys Beach is "remarkable" (and I mean that as unique - it's what we call in marketing "a purple cow") in every sense, pricing included, and why IMO it's a great place to be and why I believe in the future will be "the place" for the who's who to be. And it's the who's who crowd that has the big money and will spend accordingly :)

[Chickpea]

With all due respect you are stating quite a few inaccurate facts about Alys Beach.

Alys will not have the abundance of nature trails that WC has because of its size compared to WC. There will however be more than enough places for kids and adults to bike through. You are correct in stating that Alys will not have as much green space – again that is because of its size. You also state that for every 1 positive comment you hear you hear 10 negative ones, which may indeed be the case –I respect that - however I can tell you that for very 1 negative one I hear, I hear 20 positive ones. You define an all white courtyard house/community as monotone and cramped – I describe it as harmonious, beautiful and serene. There is equal emphasis at Alys on the private realm as the public – which means that a lot of the green that may be seen as lacking from the exterior is actually visible and lush in the private courtyards (hopefully to the enjoyment of its owner!)

Finally, it is of course perfectly OK to dislike Alys and prefer WC – but all I can say is that Alys has not yet completed its landscape along its street, swales and path so you are still judging at an incomplete, unfinished look.

Thanks for reading!

[Indigo Jill]

So being the go against the grain kind of person that you are, does that mean that you were selling your real estate holdings in 2003, 2004 and 2005 during the mad days of speculation, but now you are buying everything in sight during the "crash"? Likewise, in 1998 and 1999, were you selling all your equities and then you started scooping them up like crazy in 2001 and again in 2003, and now you are selling them off again?

Also, I guess that means the Hilton palace next to Rosemary is your favorite house along 30A.;-)

This thread was asking for opinions and that is what I'm giving ... my opinion. I'm not going to comment on my personal situation ;-) As we have discussed on another thread, I just really believe you and I aren't on the same page, fisher, and we just don't see eye to eye. It's ok!

:idontno: I don't understand what you mean when you say "I guess that means the Hilton palace next to Rosemary is your favorite housing along 30A" means?? Please explain?

[mahthamadear]

If you like Alys, but do not like the pricing. The developer seems to be finally reacting to the current state of the market. It appears that the developer is slashing prices on lots and homes (see separate thread on Alys Beach pricing). So, if you like Alys and you believe the market is near a bottom (not my opinion, but others feel differently), you might consider taking a second look and making a lowball offer on something that catches your eye.

Again, I know lots of people that have looked at Alys and the other areas you are interested in and the general consensus I hear (with a few exceptions) is that Alys is too monotone and too cramped. Very few people I know that have searched the area really like Alys after taking a hard look at the product and the community. On the other hand, these people seem to really be drawn to Watercolor and to a lesser extent Watersound due to the natural beauty of the developments and the amenities.

Good luck.


please refer to the alys beach thread for clarification on values incorrectly referenced here.

[Chickpea]

I tend to always go the opposite direction of the consensus and why I believe, as others have pointed out here, Alys will attract the "whos who" and hold value.

Indigo Jill,
I like the way you think! And you always state your opinion so nicely....:clap_1:

[Miss Kitty]

THIS IS JUST MY OPINION...When I grow up, I want a place in Alys Beach along with my place in WC. Best of both 30-A worlds to me. :wub:

[Gypsea]

DITTO!!! :clap_1:

[Indigo Jill]

Indigo Jill,
I like the way you think! And you always state your opinion so nicely....:clap_1:

:wub:

[Chickpea]

THIS IS JUST MY OPINION...When I grow up, I want a place in Alys Beach along with my place in WC. Best of both 30-A worlds to me. :wub:

And I am sure Alys would LOVE to have you and Gypsea there....:D

[Miss Kitty]

DITTO!!! :clap_1:

:biggrin: ...they've got east-west purses, don't they? So, let's go for east-west sowal homes!!!!

[Gypsea]

:clap_1: :clap_1: :clap_1:

[TooFarTampa]

:biggrin: ...they've got east-west purses, don't they? So, let's go for east-west sowal homes!!!!

That would take a big purse. :biggrin:

[Gypsea]

Mine's not big enough :( so it's all on you Miss Kitty.

[Gypsea]

[quote=Gypsea;196169]Mine's not big enough :( .

Looking at this quote got me thinking, we could do a whole tread on what "things you would never here a guy say".

[iqueequeg]

Is no one going to suggest Seaside?

[Smiling JOe]

Is no one going to suggest Seaside?The original poster seems to have narrowed his/her choices to the three mentioned, and was looking for info on those, specifically.

[Chickpea]

Is no one going to suggest Seaside?

Seaside is another great town with distinct advantages and also quite different than the other 3 mentioned earlier.
Also ambitious plans are in the works for Seaside's downtown.

[SugarSand]

[quote=SugarSand;195702]Those communities are all great, but isn't the question really "where" within them? A house in the far corner of Watercolor may not even have near the same qualities as one that has quick access to the beachclub, Seaside restaurants and a pool or two. What I would love to know as a non-local is the "skinny" on spots in these communities.

Does anyone have a view on Cypress Dunes?

Lastly, it seems there are some magic spots along 30A where the savy buyer gets a house, close to the beach, his or her own private pool and close walking access to a great community without the association fee. I am thinking that Water's Edge is one of those spots, as well as Long Vue drive.........am I right?
:chill:[/quote

Does anyone have a thought on this??
:chill:

[hi n dry]

[quote=SugarSand;195702]....

Does anyone have a view on Cypress Dunes?

Lastly, it seems there are some magic spots along 30A where the savy buyer gets a house, close to the beach, his or her own private pool and close walking access to a great community without the association fee...
.

Cyprus Dunes has a spectacular view of the sand dunes and Gulf. But as far as I know they do not have a beach access anywhere in walking distance. It is also my understanding that association fees are high and building costs expensive.

There are some lots along 30 A in Seagrove Beach area from Seaside to Eastern Lake that that meet your description.

Just drive down side streets like San Juan and Greenwood and you will find some hidden bargains. There are some lots that are large enough for your own pool and carriage house and still have room for vegetation.

Smiling Joe is a realtor and would have more info for you.

If you would like more specific info about the areas I mentioned feel free to PM me.

[TooFarTampa]

[QUOTE=SugarSand;196231]

Cyprus Dunes has a spectacular view of the sand dunes and Gulf. But as far as I know they do not have a beach access anywhere in walking distance. It is also my understanding that association fees are high and building costs expensive.

There are some lots along 30 A in Seagrove Beach area from Seaside to Eastern Lake that that meet your description.

Just drive down side streets like San Juan and Greenwood and you will find some hidden bargains. There are some lots that are large enough for your own pool and carriage house and still have room for vegetation.
Smiling Joe is a realtor and would have more info for you.

If you would like more specific info about the areas I mentioned feel free to PM me.

Yes -- there are some excellent deals, larger lots (platted in the 50s and 60s I think, most around 50x135) and excellent public accesses nearby. We have a lot in the area and are happy to pay no insurance and no association fees while we take our sweet time trying to decide what to do with it. Most of the lots are zoned single family home only in at leat our pocket of Seagrove, another plus.

If I were a serious, end-user type buyer right now I would have so much funn looking. :clap_1:

[egrp]

It surprises me how little love Rosemary is given here...for me its the best, with seaside running a close 2nd. watercolor good for kids, alys....jurys still out!!

[Miss Kitty]

It surprises me how little love Rosemary is given here...for me its the best, with seaside running a close 2nd. watercolor good for kids, alys....jurys still out!!

:clap_1: ...you just showed the love for RB! I admire alot about RB, but personally find it too cramped. Kitties need to room to roam. :biggrin:

[Chickpea]

It surprises me how little love Rosemary is given here...for me its the best, with seaside running a close 2nd. watercolor good for kids, alys....jurys still out!!

I also like Rosemary very much and know a lot of families there who all also are thrilled with their community and its amenities. If I am not mistaken Rosemary also can boast that they have highest number of full time residents (compared to Seaside, WC, & Watersound)

[Smiling JOe]

It surprises me how little love Rosemary is given here...for me its the best, with seaside running a close 2nd. watercolor good for kids, alys....jurys still out!!Did you not read my post? I like the architecture in Rosemary very much and I think the shops are growing and look inviting.

[kurt]

I feel so sorry for the common folk that have to choose just one or two. :floor:

[kathydwells]

I feel so sorry for the common folk that have to choose just one or two. :floor:

Dude, That's what I am saying, coming from someone like me who has to save every extra dime for a week in paradise!!! I would like to spend one day with enough $$$ to choose between all the wonderful communities in my little paradise by the sea!!!!

Good luck in your decision.

[Miss Kitty]

I feel so sorry for the common folk that have to choose just one or two. :floor:

:roll: ....common? I don't think so.

[Chickpea]

:roll: ....common? I don't think so.

Not you of course!:wub:

[BrettMan]

I love Rosemary. We had a lot there that we sold :( because we couldn't afford to build and not live there full time. We have rolled that money into some really boring, really un-sexy rentals and are just waiting to buy back back in! We really like the architecture, manicured lawns, and the overall quality of the place. It's great for me and the wife.

I will say, though, that we also love Seaside and that's the place to go if you have kids...

[spinDrAtl]

Hi Brett, just a question regarding Rosemary. It seems back in the day when they started, there was a 2 year requirement to build and if you chose not to, you had to sell your lot back to the developer. Even back then, this was to prevent speculation. Was that not the case? Apparently you were able to resell your lot for profit.

Caveat: I heard this from an agent or someone years ago - I never got as far as looking at legal docs.