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Old 06-16-2009, 11:21 AM
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turtle watch volunteer arrested

The Walton County Sheriff’s Office arrested a Seagrove Beach resident on three-counts of criminal mischief on June 15, 2009.
Witnesses say 57-year-old, Mary Elizabeth Brady overturned and destroyed several canopy tents by cutting the material on the tents. These incidents took place on Friday, June 12 in the AM, on the beach behind Beachcrest Condominiums on County Road 30A.
Ms. Brady was also seen puncturing and destroying floats at the same location.
Witnesses say Ms. Brady is a Turtle Watch volunteer. Ms. Brady denied that she had caused the damage. There are several victims in the matter.
The criminal mischief charges are misdemeanors.
Ms. Brady was booked into the Walton County Jail and given a total bond of $1500.00. Ms. Brady has bonded out at this time awaiting a July 23rd court date.

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Old 06-16-2009, 11:41 AM
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OMG I just don't know what to say about this! Sounds like a lot of rage. This is really a sad story.
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Sometimes one has to take the law into one's own hands. Too bad she got busted. It looks like the "leave no trace" is a raging success. I wish folks would understand not to trash the beach but unfortunately they do and it is sad. Please take time out of your busy schedule to pick up trash at least once a week. We owe this to our beaches.
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I do have questions. Was the stuff left over night? If so, then have at it!! If not, I wonder what triggered the whole deal? Info anyone?
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Wow! The question is why? Was is because she was sick and tired of tourists leaving their belongings when they depart or because they are staking out their spot for the next day? Or, is it out of turtle protection? Taking down tents is one thing, but popping floats? Ive taken matters into my own hands on grayton in regards to tents being left behind, but im not gonna walk down the beach and pop all the kids floats, etc. Extremism always gets in the way of the real solution. But, at the sametime maybe this will force our gov officials to act in the name of the local resident. If the beach service can take out the trash, they can certainly take these tents down and do good with them. Until than, we will take matters into our own hands. Lets hope they get this before chaos erupts. Unfortunately, ms brady's actions have set us back.
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Old 06-16-2009, 12:30 PM
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Unfortunately, ms brady's actions have set us back.
I disagree...the actions (READ: NON-actions) of the area officials have kept this situation in limbo trying not to step on the sandy toes of our paying customers. The beach junk situation has clearly gotten out of hand and now, thanks to Ms Brady's "alleged" actions, it's finally been brought to the fore.

Over the last 10 years I've watched with disgust more and more of these overnight "gypsy camps" springing up on our beaches...enough already! I'm soooo looking forward to this trial. Where can I contribute to Ms Brady's legal fund?

Oh...and if Little Snottley and his sister don't want to lose their beach toys--they should learn to take them home at night.
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Why is the title of this thread calling this woman "ugly"? If it is an opinion about her actions, that needs to be made clearer. As it is now, it reads like a rude, personal attack which is against these forum's rules. For all any of us know, she may be a member of this site and reading this hurtful thread.

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Popping floats is the easiest way to quickly skoosh them down for disposal - it's not a vindictive action, just an efficient one.

I am sure some people think I am "mean" because I fill in the pucking holes someone worked so hard to dig and try to give away abandoned toys to other kids.
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Perhaps she was upset that a recent turtle's nest in that area had been destroyed. If the county makes a law about "beach stuff" they should have to enforce it..not some citizen. Also just because a tourist paid a lot for a week at the beach doesn't give them the right to mess up the beach with their stuff and garbage. I have always said, and it has been proved to be true...folks go on vacation and forget to pack their common sense. You don't have a right to litter our beaches guests!!!!!
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Why is the title of this thread calling this woman "ugly"? If it is an opinion about her actions, that needs to be made clearer. As it is now, it reads like a rude, personal attack which is against these forum's rules. For all any of us know, she may be a member of this site and reading this hurtful thread.

Post opinions about her actions, agree or disagree, but calling someone "ugly" is inappropriate.

I am so sorry Ms Brady. You are not "ugly." This article was sent to me with that headline and I merely copied. And I think the term "ugly" was used more to describe her attitude than her looks. My bad!

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This is really great PR. Could use this article as a poster for the "Redneck Riviera". What is next? Tire slashing for not parking the way we want our guest to park.
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She just finally did what we all want to do! Most people just talk about what they are going to do or say. Mary is my new hero! Of course, I don't know the whole story and I need a new hero since Hulk has run a muck!
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Is anyone here serious about destroying other peoples property being a great way to protect the beach? What is the obsession with tents and kids floats? Is it the family? The kids? Fun at the beach? Not everyone wants to drink pressed grass on a deserted sand dune. The area has been developed, accept it or move on. The county does a reasonable job tagging and removing items. I pick up items every time I am on the beach, but still feel I am mighty lucky to be there. If you really think an item left is a problem the county will definitely remove it if you complain, I have seen it done. What a message this sends to kids to support a ridiculous act like that no matter who did it. If you can't get what you want just go into a rage and destroy things. If this lady did this. I hope the victims will not drop the charges. I doubt the child with the rogue float had a vendetta against the turtles. If this fine lady is so concerned about the turtles, simply move an item if it is left overnight or remind the owner of the law regarding items being left on the beach. This would be a much more effective and friendly approach than what amounts to beach rage.

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I'm torn here. Why cut the tents and pop the floats? This makes it seem (to me anyway) that she snapped. Why not just stack them next to the beach access trash can? I get fed up at the sight of tents as well- especially when left overnight. But if the cause is to protect the turtles and clean the beaches then I miss how damaging the items serves the cause. Can someone pls help us get to the bottom?
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I have to agree with Pirate, two wrongs do not make a right.

At times it really seems like tourists are not wanted in the area by some. Surely you know what will happened if that is the case, there will be more closings and empty condos than already exist.

Many also forget that a great number of residents were at one time a tourist, very few were born in the area and lived here their entire lives. So when you thumb your nose at the "tourist" many of you were at one time a tourist.

I am all for saving the turtles, the beach, putting things away, we have been coming to the area for over 30 years and have always done our part to protect the beaches and its wildlife.

But seriously how can you expect someone to follow the laws of protecting the beach, when you support breaking other laws such as criminal mischief?

Can we truly be selective in which laws are ok to break.

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Sounds like she snapped! I bet there is much more to this story... Protect your children from the evil, turtle, float popping, tent cutting lady! Your float could be next! Ha! What a great story! I bet it gets national attention!
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Is anyone here serious about destroying other peoples property being a great way to protect the beach? What is the obsession with tents and kids floats? Is it the family? The kids? Fun at the beach? Not everyone wants to drink pressed grass on a deserted sand dune. The area has been developed, accept it or move on. The county does a reasonable job tagging and removing items. I pick up items every time I am on the beach, but still feel I am mighty lucky to be there. If you really think an item left is a problem the county will definitely remove it if you complain, I have seen it done. What a message this sends to kids to support a ridiculous act like that. If you can't get what you want just go into a rage and destroy things. Hopefully the victims will not drop the charges. I doubt the child with the rogue float had a vendetta against the turtles. If this fine lady is so concerned about the turtles, simply move an item if it is left overnight or remind the owner of the law regarding items being left on the beach. This would be a much more effective and friendly approach than what amounts to beach rage.
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I thought people were presumed innocent until proven guilty. Noone knows for sure who destoyed property on the beach. How awful for this woman to have her face plastered on this website and everyone talking like she is guilty. I don't know her and I will for sure give her the benefit of the doubt.
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I thought people were presumed innocent until proven guilty. Noone knows for sure who destoyed property on the beach. How awful for this woman to have her face plastered on this website and everyone talking like she is guilty. I don't know her and I will for sure give her the benefit of the doubt.
The original post shows the pic of the person arrested, describes the charges against her and points out that she denied the allegations. I don't believe this person is being treated unfairly. She seems to have half of the posters elevating her to hero status and the other half speculating why she would do such a thing (if she did) and requesting additional information...

This info is public record...

We acknowledge that she is innocent until proven guilty. But we are still going to talk about her!!!
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I thought people were presumed innocent until proven guilty. Noone knows for sure who destoyed property on the beach. How awful for this woman to have her face plastered on this website and everyone talking like she is guilty. I don't know her and I will for sure give her the benefit of the doubt.
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Sounds like she snapped! I bet there is much more to this story... Protect your children from the evil, turtle, float popping, tent cutting lady! Your float could be next! Ha! What a great story! I bet it gets national attention!
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I'm torn here. Why cut the tents and pop the floats? This makes it seem (to me anyway) that she snapped. Why not just stack them next to the beach access trash can? I get fed up at the sight of tents as well- especially when left overnight. But if the cause is to protect the turtles and clean the beaches then I miss how damaging the items serves the cause. Can someone pls help us get to the bottom?
I don't think that she "snapped" - popping a float or cutting a tied/knotted tent rope/strap is the just the most efficient way to disassemble those items.

Inflated float = beach tumbleweed

P.S. We're not hating on tourists or applauding lawlessness - it's more of a "thank gawd, that obnoxious brat finally got a spanking".
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I'm torn here. Why cut the tents and pop the floats? This makes it seem (to me anyway) that she snapped. Why not just stack them next to the beach access trash can? I get fed up at the sight of tents as well- especially when left overnight. But if the cause is to protect the turtles and clean the beaches then I miss how damaging the items serves the cause. Can someone pls help us get to the bottom?

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I don't think that she "snapped" - popping a float or cutting a tied/knotted tent rope/strap is the just the most efficient way to disassemble those items.

Inflated float = beach tumbleweed
Ok, well... maybe she could be the leader of the Most Efficient Redneck Riviera Beach Militia.
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Ha! You never know.

I kind of feel like you today Geo. Like picking a fight. I thought this was a good topic to get heated up on. The Turtle lady attacks! I feel the same way about Cigarette butts. If someone throws a butt out of their car in front of me at a stop sign, I will get out of my car and place the butt back in the drivers car on their lap. Is that illegal or wrong? It sure freaks my wife out.
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I see. So popping childrens floats and cutting/slashing the tents of unwanted tourists are part of your covert activities?
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...and it appears that inflatable water wings and $69 Walmart tents do as well.

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I see. So popping childrens floats and cutting/slashing the tents of unwanted tourists are part of your covert activities?
No one said that the tourists were unwanted. Litter, which is habitually left overnight on the beach, is unwanted.
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The overcrowding I've adjusted to...it's mourning the loss of those idyllic evening strolls on the beach where I could just enjoy the sights and sounds of nature instead of watching out for the person-eating-holes-to-China, weaving in and out of the overnight Gypsy camps; and stooping over every-other-step to pick up trash. (Yeah, at one time it didn't used to be that way--even with plenty of visitors.)

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Ha! You never know.

I kind of feel like you today Geo. Like picking a fight. I thought this was a good topic to get heated up on.
I'm going to predict that this thread will set a new SoWal record for the most views and comments--and it will do it before the month is out.

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I certainly understand Shelly. I was here as a child in the 60's when there was nothiing around. In the 70's I was saying "look at all those Gypsies that are coming here now". Well those 70 Gypsies and now calling themselves natives.
I'm wasn't talking about the 60s or 70s (although it was REALLY great back then)...I'm talking about the late 90s to early 2000s before this overnight beach junk and trash started to pile up.

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I see. So popping childrens floats and cutting/slashing the tents of unwanted tourists are part of your covert activities?
No, but picking up all the crap others leave behind and filling in dangerous holes in order to keep our beaches beautiful and safe are!
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That might be the intent but not the perception which is something David Letterman learned the hard way this week.

It is one thing to applaud the message without supporting the means.

And I am sure there is much more to the story than was reported as for one thing there are always two sides.

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I'm wasn't talking about the 60s or 70s (although it was REALLY great back then)...I'm talking about the late 90s to early 2000s before this overnight beach junk and trash started to pile up.

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I kind of feel like you today Geo. Like picking a fight. I thought this was a good topic to get heated up on. The Turtle lady attacks! I feel the same way about Cigarette butts. If someone throws a butt out of their car in front of me at a stop sign, I will get out of my car and place the butt back in the drivers car on their lap. Is that illegal or wrong? It sure freaks my wife out.
Haha, Bobby, I did the same thing once at the Chevron in Freeport (passenger, though, not driver). The driver AND passenger followed me into the store and started yelling at me, crazy, making no sense, till the manager of the store threw them out. Hub and sons witnessed the entire thing, speechless. Really amazing how mad people can get when you politely ask them not to trash a place.
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Was the turtle nest ok? I hope so......and, I believe there is much more to this story. It will start to uncover on the 23rd, I guess.
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Was the turtle nest ok? I hope so......and, I believe there is much more to this story. It will start to uncover on the 23rd, I guess.
I think you are the first to mention a turtle nest.
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I read in one post that a nest was disturbed. And, another post that she should have moved the items to the trash instead of trashing them.....hhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
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I read in one post that a nest was disturbed. And, another post that she should have moved the items to the trash instead of trashing them.....hhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
I'm sorry I missed that.
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Woah.... it will be interesting to see how this one plays out. Wonder if it was on "private" property or public County beach access.
Personally, I feel that ANYTHING left on the beach by humans overnight should be considered trash, and whatever happens to it.... well...
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Low hanging fruit, I guess.

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You actually believe that there is a comparison to taking law into their own hands between a nut case radical who murder a physician and a local who is tired of turdist who leave crap on the beach?

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I don't think that she "snapped" - popping a float or cutting a tied/knotted tent rope/strap is the just the most efficient way to disassemble those items.

Inflated float = beach tumbleweed

P.S. We're not hating on tourists or applauding lawlessness - it's more of a "thank gawd, that obnoxious brat finally got a spanking".


Maybe you should go back and start reading again, because many, whom I use to have at least a slight level of respect for, were applauding lawlessness. And breaking the law is breaking the law, just a matter of degrees. I find the comments made deeply disturbing, but not surprising, as the liberals who claim to care for others have shown their true colors.
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Woah.... it will be interesting to see how this one plays out. Wonder if it was on "private" property or public County beach access.
Personally, I feel that ANYTHING left on the beach by humans overnight should be considered trash, and whatever happens to it.... well...
I hate to think The Walton Sun's nature reporter might be in jeopardy. I like Mary.

I understand there is a video.
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Consistent Inconsistencies.

I'll bet the video is all-telling, which is unfortunate for Mary because it sounds like from this thread/appears that her intentions were in the right place. And, hopefully, this will be the catalyst to enforce keeping our beaches clean every night!
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Maybe you should go back and start reading again, because many, whom I use to have at least a slight level of respect for, were applauding lawlessness. And breaking the law is breaking the law, just a matter of degrees. I find the comments made deeply disturbing, but not surprising, as the liberals who claim to care for others have shown their true colors.
...you're assuming that those who you had "at least a slight level of respect for" would give a rat's rectum what you think about their views--glad to know that "I" didn't disappoint ya

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I'll bet the video is all-telling, which is unfortunate for Mary because it sounds like from this thread/appears that her intentions were in the right place. And, hopefully, this will be the catalyst to enforce keeping our beaches clean every night!
If it is damning evidence I hope the judge does the right thing and sentences her to many hours of community service, specifically removing crap from the beach!
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Maybe you should go back and start reading again, because many, whom I use to have at least a slight level of respect for, were applauding lawlessness. And breaking the law is breaking the law, just a matter of degrees. I find the comments made deeply disturbing, but not surprising, as the liberals who claim to care for others have shown their true colors.
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If it is damning evidence I hope the judge does the right thing and sentences her to many hours of community service, specifically removing crap from the beach!
I agree! I would also be willing to bet that if there wasn't a video involved she wouldn't have been arrested!
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It seems unborn turtles have more support than unborn human beings. Applauding any one who takes the law into thier own hands is dangerous.

Wait, I thought this was about crap left on the beach ILLEGALLY overnight (signs are everywhere - leave it, you lose it) potentially harming turtles.

How is getting rid of the beach trash harming unborn human beings?

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Wait, I thought this was about crap left on the beach ILLEGALLY overnight (signs are everywhere - leave it, you lose it) potentially harming turtles.

How is getting rid of the beach trash harming unborn human beings?
C2F- Getting rid of beach debris has nothing to do with harming unborn children. I think you know what comparison she was making. If not, you are not thinking.
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It was my attempt at sarcasm. Comparing destruction of property (that should have already been removed according to the signs at the beach) to murdering someone (for doing something that is legal) is comparing apples to bowling balls. What I should have replied with was:

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...and I'm disturbed by the attitudes of the people who think leaving junk all over the beach is OK--so I guess it's a wash.



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Too bad nobody that witnessed the hit and run at Publix had one, or people who think they know law enforcement's job better than law enforcement does wouldn't be needing to stretch facts to make comparisons. Sometimes useful facts are real handy.
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...and I'm disturbed by the attitudes of the people who think leaving junk all over the beach is OK--so I guess it's a wash.



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...and I'm disturbed by the attitudes of the people who think leaving junk all over the beach is OK--so I guess it's a wash.



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this is getting good.



just think this wouldn't have even happened if these people would have just picked their things up and taken them with them. all of this over something so damn simple (by picking it up) but yet so damn hard (for people that don't give a sh!t). blows my mind.
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There is no one participating in this thread, that has even come close to stating they approve of leaving junk all over the beach.

However I think we can say that some, appeared to support the breaking of the law to make a point.
Which law am I advocating breaking? IMO all this lady did is ENFORCE our local ordinance - I believe it is #2003-7B - that any items left on the beach will be confiscated!!!

Or perhaps as a turtle watch volunteer she was more focused on the Endangered Species Act?
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There is no one participating in this thread, that has even come close to stating they approve of leaving junk all over the beach.

However I think we can say that some, appeared to support the breaking of the law to make a point.

I read about a study the other day talking about no matter how you raise your kid, they are going to follow the parent's actions more than anything else. Children are our future, and look what you guys have gone and done to them. Now I am going to have to pay for even more prisons.
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As a Turtle Watch volunteer she has totally embarassed the organization, IMO. I once upon a time respected the dedication of the TW volunteers, but the actions of the individual, if true as reported, cast a new light on the organization if they condone such actions.
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Which law am I advocating breaking? IMO all this lady did is ENFORCE our local ordinance - I believe it is #2003-7B - that any items left on the beach will be confiscated!!!

Or perhaps as a turtle watch volunteer she was more focused on the Endangered Species Act?

The lady has no authority to enforce that ordinance. Now I am going back to watching Death Wish.

BTW, Turtle Watch gets $80K a year in tax dollars to do that turtle monitoring thing.
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As a Turtle Watch volunteer she has totally embarassed the organization, IMO. I once upon a time respected the dedication of the TW volunteers, but the actions of the individual, if true as reported, cast a new light on the organization if they condone such actions.

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this is getting good.



just think this wouldn't have even happened if these people would have just picked their things up and taken them with them. all of this over something so damn simple (by picking it up) but yet so damn hard (for people that don't give a sh!t). blows my mind.
Simple fact is that people having fun on the beach make mistakes and simply forget things. People do give a sh!t about thier belongings. It's not done out of malice.
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Which law am I advocating breaking? IMO all this lady did is ENFORCE our local ordinance - I believe it is #2003-7B - that any items left on the beach will be confiscated!!!

Or perhaps as a turtle watch volunteer she was more focused on the Endangered Species Act?

If she broke no laws then a court of law will decide that. But when many were applauding her actions, she had been arrested for breaking the law.

To me and obviously others on this thread that gives the impression that one is supporting the breaking of the law of criminal mischief.

If you are simply supporting her removal of items on the beach then we are in total agreement, if you are applauding her means of doing that by commiting criminal mischief, then we don't agree and obviously neither did law enforcement.

I seriously doubt she would have been arrested, and booked had she simply been trying to support clean beaches.

I support keeping the beach clean, I support safe haven for the turtles, I do not support breaking the law to make a point or taking the law into one's own hands.

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Understood. But you should understand that there are people who agree with you on that but also have the maturity and wisdom to denounce this kind of behavior.
So what is anyone doing this year to start ridding the beach of this overnight junk other than saying "isn't it a shame--why don't 'they' do something about it?"

The "rules and laws" didn't work; the "24-hour ticketing" program was a farce; now the lawyers moved in with their cease and desist orders to removing the junk. Call it what you will, but the situation is getting worse year-by-year-by-year, and now someone took action (others have too--they just didn't get caught).

I can sense her frustration at the local officials, who, without a ball between them, let this situation get to the point where rational, caring people crack. I stand by my assessment of this lady's actions....with her rage akin to "driving the moneychangers out of the temple"...she's reached her level of pissativity. If she decides to do it again, I'd be proud to be in her posse.

NOTE TO CLUELESS, SELFISH OR UNINFORMED (check one that applies) FOLKS WHO LEAVE THEIR JUNK ON THE BEACH OVERNIGHT: Remove it.

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Are you referring to the people who destroy the environment by leaving their crap all over the beach, potentially causing damage?

I'm still wondering what will happen to my tents, chairs, cooler, shovel, along with personal items, if I set them up on the lawn of the Walton County Court House. I bet the cops would have them removed pronto.
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Simple fact is that people having fun on the beach make mistakes and simply forget things. People do give a sh!t about thier belongings. It's not done out of malice.
Sure, Geo reminded us a while back that people can get distracted and totally forget about their possessions (for short periods of time). HOWEVER, it seems that too many people conveniently "forget" about all of their crap for the entire length of their vacation, and that is unacceptable in my opinion. If you give a crap about your crap, take it home with you when you leave the beach for the day. I don't go to your home and leave my crap in your backyard, so please don't do it when you come to mine.
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Are you referring to the people who destroy the environment by leaving their crap all over the beach, potentially causing damage?

I'm still wondering what will happen to my tents, chairs, cooler, shovel, along with personal items, if I set them up on the lawn of the Walton County Court House. I bet the cops would have them removed pronto.

And you know that is public property. And you want ALL of the beach to be public property. But again, you leave out the part to your position that involves STEALING private property from someone who has paid for it and is currently paying taxes on it. And then cheer someone for going onto their land and destroying private possessions.

I just want the tourist that visit this area to understand that thankfully, local law enforcement is not like that. They do not condone the stealing of property or the criminal mischief to private possessions, and will arrest people more likely than not broke the law. So do not fear, the property destroyers are still being held in check.
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So what is anyone doing this year to start ridding the beach of this overnight junk other than saying "isn't it a shame--why don't 'they' do something about it?"

The "rules and laws" didn't work; the "24-hour ticketing" program was a farce; now the lawyers moved in with their cease and desist orders to removing the junk. Call it what you will, but the situation is getting worse year-by-year-by-year, and now someone took action (others have too--they just didn't get caught).

I can sense her frustration at the local officials, who, without a ball between them, let this situation get to the point where rational, caring people crack. I stand by my assessment of this lady's actions....with her rage akin to "driving the moneychangers out of the temple"...she's reached her level of pissativity. If she decides to do it again, I'd be proud to be in her posse.

NOTE TO CLUELESS, SELFISH OR UNINFORMED (check one that applies) FOLKS WHO LEAVE THEIR JUNK ON THE BEACH OVERNIGHT: Remove it.

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wrobert, you are making assumptions, one being that people don't leave their beach crap on public beaches. Secondly, I don't recall cheering anyone on in this thread.

Seems that the law enforcement didn't have a problem removing tourists from the beach, but it when it comes to removing tourists beach crap, suddenly there is a problem. Go figure.

Lastly, if I'm walking on the beach at night and I fall into a canopy frame after tripping over the guidewire to said canopy, thereby crushing the leg of the tent, am I going to be hauled to jail? I've done just that, and it hurt like a mo-fo.

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Huh? You've never met this person, you have no idea of her character, you don't know if she's trustworthy. You know nothing of her intelligence her judgement but you'd be willing to join forces with her based on acts of what I would call vandalism. I think you're moving too quickly.
I'm not planning on bringing her home to Momma...I'd just like to assist in the removal of the nighttime crap & scrap from the beach.

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A question for all of those that condone what the person arrested did or are...gulp...alluding that what was done was "heroic" in some way ... why is this individual denying that they did it? By denying it, unless they really didn't do it, it is telling me they KNEW it was breaking the law....that is was "wrong".
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A question for all of those that condone what the person arrested did or are...gulp...alluding that what was done was "heroic" in some way ... why is this individual denying that they did it? By denying it, unless they really didn't do it, it is telling me they KNEW it was breaking the law....that is was "wrong".
.......remember when Superman did some good deed and the next day at the Daily Planet office Lois Lane would look kinda sideways at Clark Kent and talk about what Superman did the night before, and how he saved the day by defeating the bad guys; and Clark Kent would say he "heard" about that; and then Lois would say, "Why is it everytime that Superman is around, you seem to be somewhere else?" and Clark would say, "Gee, Lois, I don't know" and act real modest and humble and never let on that he was really Superman?......well, it's like that.

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.......remember when Superman did some good deed and the next day at the Daily Planet office Lois Lane would look kinda sideways at Clark Kent and talk about what Superman did the night before, and how he saved the day by defeating the bad guys; and Clark Kent would say he "heard" about that; and then Lois would say, "Why is it everytime that Superman is around, you seem to be somewhere else?" and Clark would say, "Gee, Lois, I don't know" and act real modest and humble and never let on that he was really Superman?......well, it's like that.

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Sounds like she snapped! I bet there is much more to this story... Protect your children from the evil, turtle, float popping, tent cutting lady! Your float could be next! Ha! What a great story! I bet it gets national attention!
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Pirate said it most accurately. Our area has been developed. I don't know why the stuff piles up. I can say that no matter who comes into our rentals, they do not treat them like their own homes. Maybe it is along those lines that vacationers don't understand why local feel the way they do about leaving stuff on the beach. My guess is that this will be a battle that may last forever. I would guess that most vacationers could care less about turtles. They probally would not intentionally hurt them but they could care less. My guess also is that most locals could care less about the turtles. I wonder what this thread is about??? Turtles or stuff on the beach?
That would be your fault. I'm only five years into the rental/ tourist business and as an owner; I make every attempt to show pride of ownership which is felt by my renters; in addition to trying to make their vacations as memorable as possible, I try very hard to educate them on the delicate ecosystem, turtle nesting, and removing items from the beach. By the time they get to my house, they feel like it is theirs, and it is theirs for the week or so, and so is the beach, and they have shown great respect. It takes some more of my time, but pays off in spades. Some vacationers have never visited the area and have no knowledge of the delicate treasures we possess; dune lakes and such.

It is our job as stewards of our property and surrounding lands to ensure that people are educated, if they aren't already. Of course, there are always some bad apples, but when a grandmother/ turtle watcher goes into a rage and breaks the law, WE, as a community, in large part should bear some responsibility. We let her down.
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I read about a study the other day talking about no matter how you raise your kid, they are going to follow the parent's actions more than anything else. Children are our future, and look what you guys have gone and done to them. Now I am going to have to pay for even more prisons.
This is laughable to me since, if I recall correctly, there was a Republican rally locally that had a pinata of Obama's head that was bashed in front of children. Do you condone bashing an effigy vs. the illegal tear down of inanimate objects left illegally on a beach? I also do not see anything in the article stating she did this is front of her children or grandchildren.
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This is laughable to me since, if I recall correctly, there was a Republican rally locally that had a pinata of Obama's head that was bashed in front of children. Do you condone bashing an effigy vs. the illegal tear down of inanimate objects left illegally on a beach? I also do not see anything in the article stating she did this is front of her children or grandchildren.
I think it's more the fact that adults shouldn't be condoning this kind of behavior, and obviously some on this thread are.
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That would be your fault. I'm only five years into the rental/ tourist business and as an owner; I make every attempt to show pride of ownership which is felt by my renters; in addition to trying to make their vacations as memorable as possible, I try very hard to educate them on the delicate ecosystem, turtle nesting, and removing items from the beach. By the time they get to my house, they feel like it is theirs, and it is theirs for the week or so, and so is the beach, and they have shown great respect. It takes some more of my time, but pays off in spades. Some vacationers have never visited the area and have no knowledge of the delicate treasures we possess; dune lakes and such.

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Bless her heart, suddenly she's famous! I do believe she took her volunteerism seriously, but she did vandalize personal property. I don't think any of us want to see people leave items on the beach overnight particularly during turtle season.

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