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shelly, thanks for posting Dotty's article from back in May. I recalled it just as she recalled. I will also add that though the article and the agenda does state the specific wording of the resolution, I don't recall hearing the reading of the resolution verbatim at the meeting, and as Dotty wrote:
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The resolution from the TDC that was presented to the commissioners stated the purpose of the increase as “supporting low cost air service into the region at either Okaloosa County Airport or Bay County Airport through promotion and advertising of Beaches of South Walton Tourism and such air service in new, developing markets.” However, there was no mention, either by the tourism officials or anyone else speaking at the May 11 meeting, of the Okaloosa County Airport or any specific air carrier other than Southwest Airlines.
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So, anyone who attended the meeting without reading the resolution in advance, would have only a limited understanding of the resolution being presented at the public hearing.
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Our commissioners were all over wmbb tonight for "walton county day" at the new airport.
wmbb.com - Walton County Day at New Airport
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"Walton County Day" celebrated at Panama City airport | panama, city, airport - News - Northwest Florida Daily News
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It was “Walton County Day” at the new Panama City airport on Monday. Chamber officials held their monthly board of directors meeting at the Northwest Florida-Panama City International Airport. The day also included bus tours of the new facility, an update on how construction is proceeding and a lunch.
However, Walton Area Chamber of Commerce president Dawn Moliterno said the county’s relationship with the Panama City airport will not prevent them from also supporting initiatives in Okaloosa County.
The chamber’s partnership with the Airport Authority of Bay County “does not mean that we’re not able to support other independent initiatives,” Moliterno said after the meeting.
Talk of the three area airports’ attempts to bring Southwest Airlines to their facility was never discussed during the Monday meeting.
Moliterno and chamber member Dewey Wilson were selected earlier this month to be the Walton County representatives and voting members on the Bay County Airport Authority.
Randy Curtis, executive director of the Northwest Florida-Panama City International Airport, said construction on the new facility is ahead of schedule and slightly under budget. Construction is expected to be complete May 18, 2010.
Curtis also took some time to talk up some of the amenities that the new airport will have over its surrounding rivals. A unique security system funded by a $4 million grant will make baggage claims and handling quicker, and its 10,000-foot runway is designed to be expanded easily.
Despite having “International” in its name, Curtis said he does not expect the new airport will offer regular international service immediately upon its opening. International travel to and from the new airport will be limited to charter services in the beginning.
Joe Tannehill, chairman of the airport authority, said no decision has been made about readdressing the new name of the Northwest Florida-Panama City International Airport. The name has drawn complaints from Okaloosa County for being too close to its airport, Northwest Florida Regional Airport, and from Bay County, where people did not like having Panama City in the name.
“We’re talking about it,” Tannehill said. “We may or may not bring it up again. (The new airport) has so many organizations supporting us. They need to be heard and we need to listen to them.”
Walton County Commissioner Scott Brannon came under fire earlier this month when he was quoted in media reports as saying Walton County supported Bay County’s attempt to lure Southwest Airlines above attempts to bring the low-cost air carrier to Northwest Florida Regional Airport.
Brannon attended Monday’s Walton County Day at the airport but declined to speak to the media.
“I don’t have any comments,” Brannon said. “I think it’s all been said.”
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Well, there you go. It has all been said. Only thing left is the winking. (See Pat Rice story 10-18-09 in NWFL Daily News or Panama City News Herald for background on "wink, wink.")
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Southwest Airlines rumor: Nashville to new Aiport
Stumbled across an article in a Nashville Real Estate Blog about Southwest and the new airport.
In an unconfirmed conversation with an employee of Southwest Airlines, I have learned that Nashville will be chosen along with Baltimore to fly non-stop to the new Panama City International Airport. According to my source, Southwest Airlines will be the only discount fare carrier who flies the Nashville to Panama City route non-stop.
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Stumbled across an article in a Nashville Real Estate Blog about Southwest and the new airport.
In an unconfirmed conversation with an employee of Southwest Airlines, I have learned that Nashville will be chosen along with Baltimore to fly non-stop to the new Panama City International Airport. According to my source, Southwest Airlines will be the only discount fare carrier who flies the Nashville to Panama City route non-stop.
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While I try not to be cynical, after working for 21 years at Delta I have found that hearsay info that comes from employees in the field is highly inaccurate. I'm not saying that it's not true, but it needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
Route decisions are highly competitive. An air line does not wish to tip its hat to the competitors. Also, they can affect stock prices to a degree. To that end, usually only the higher ups with a need to know actually know.
Let's just wait and see. It would be cool if it happens, though
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10-21-2009, 08:07 AM
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Perhaps the waiting is over. Yesterday, information was distributed for special meeting at the Northwest Florida - Panama City International Airport at 12:45 p.m., Wednesday, Oct. 21, 2009. Gate opens at noon. May need email and parking pass from one of the sponsoring parties, like TDC, Chamber, EDC, etc., to attend. May not, but I'd check before I went. Business card required to give to guard at gate. Gate opens to the public at 12 noon. Those volunteering on various boards probably got one by email. News story on page one of Northwest Florida Daily News this morning for more info.
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10-21-2009, 11:16 AM
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Airport supporters huddle in ‘red zone' // PHOTOS | panama, city, florida - News - The News Herald
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A throng of public officials and economic development experts from two counties will meet at the construction site of the new airport Wednesday for an update on construction progress and airline marketing efforts. The meeting, announced late Tuesday, is billed as a briefing for Northwest Florida community leaders on plans for the airport’s opening next year, around which several key questions still remain, such as the status of a low-cost carrier operating at the new airport.
Officials declined Tuesday to comment on whether Southwest Airlines had made a decision on committing to the new Northwest Florida-Panama City International Airport, set to begin operation in May. But the importance of Wednesday's meeting was emphasized.
“I’ll be there and I would encourage you to be there,” said Bill Cramer, vice chairman of the Airport Authority.
An agenda for Wednesday’s noon gathering did not go out until mid-afternoon Tuesday. Many of the same officials who toured the site Monday during “Walton County Day” were invited back for the hurriedly called gathering.
State Sen. Don Gaetz, R-Niceville, said he had been invited for a news conference during which an “announcement” would be made. The invitation had come from individuals involved with bringing Southwest Airlines to the Northwest Florida region, he said.
Panhandle airport officials and private groups in Pensacola, Fort Walton Beach and Panama City have been competing to bring Southwest to their respective airports, including businesses and individuals making “in-kind” monetary pledges.
Airport Executive Director Randy Curtis declined to say whether an announcement of any kind would be made, referring all questions to the meeting’s agenda, which only listed construction progress, plans for grand opening events and airline marketing updates.
County Commissioner Mike Thomas described Wednesday’s gathering of public officials and invited guests as a “pep rally” for the new airport.
“What I know now I can’t say,” Airport Authority Chairman Joe Tannehill said Tuesday. “Come to the terminal at the new airport tomorrow and find out at the same time I will.”
The Airport Authority for the current Panama City-Bay County International Airport, the operations of which will move to the new airport next year, has added two positions to its board for Walton County officials.
Wednesday’s meeting is sponsored by several Bay County and Walton County organizations, including the Bay County Tourism Development Council, the Bay County Economic Development Alliance, and the Bay County and Panama City Beach chambers of commerce.
The tour and briefing, called “Entering the Red Zone: Drive to the Finish at the Northwest Florida-Panama City International Airport,” is also sponsored by the Walton County TDC, the Walton County Chamber of Commerce and Coastal Vision 3000/THE Beach.
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Anybody going? Would like a first hand account if possible.
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Insiders are saying that the cat is out of the bag and SouthWest Airlines is being announced for the new Panama City Beach airport at noon today. I guess we'll soon see.
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Southwest Airlines Media Day 1pm today
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Southwest Airlines CEO set to announce 'breaking news'
Southwest Airlines CEO set to announce 'breaking news' | panama, city, florida - News - The News Herald
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Business leaders and government officials are gathering at the construction site of the new Northwest Florida-Panama City International Airport today at the same time as an expected “breaking news” announcement from Southwest Airlines CEO Gary Kelly. The local business leaders are meeting at the airport for the expressed purpose of hearing an update on construction progress and airline marketing efforts, but Southwest’s announced presentation has fueled speculation the low-cost carrier will announce Bay County as its new destination
Kelly’s announcement, which will be carried live via “streaming video,” is part of Southwest’s media day from Dallas and begins at 1 p.m., about 15 minutes after the start of the Panama City briefing, according to a company press release.
In interviews Tuesday, officials close to the situation hinted that an important announcement was on the horizon. “I’ll be there, and I would encourage you to be there,” said Bill Cramer, vice chairman of the Airport Authority.
The new airport is set to open in May, with several questions still remaining, such as the status of a low-cost carrier like Southwest Airlines operating out of the West Bay location.
Panhandle airport officials and private groups in Pensacola, Fort Walton Beach and Panama City have been competing to bring Southwest Airlines to their respective airports, including businesses and individuals making “in-kind” monetary pledges.
On Tuesday, airport Executive Director Randy Curtis declined to say whether an announcement would be made, referring all questions to the meeting’s briefing agenda, which listed construction progress, plans for grand opening events and airline marketing updates.
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10-21-2009, 12:21 PM
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10-21-2009, 01:19 PM
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Southwest to announce plans today?
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Thanks for putting this up. Wondered what happened to Kurt's long thread on this? Watching for live coverage on Panama City News 7. Announcement should come around 12:45. Reporters said a plane landed at old PC Airport with Southwest colors. There are red, orange and blue "Shakers" or something like that available for attendees at airport announcement. News was also showing direct flight paths.
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Ch. 7 has the weatherman at the media event- and supposedly an announcement will be made in about 10 minutes.
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Among others, Florida's Lt. Gov. is there and JOE stock is up about 2%.
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Among others, Florida's Lt. Gov. is there and JOE stock is up about $2.
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Maybe frequent flier Jeff Kottkamp is looking to pick up some Southwest vouchers while he's there.
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There will be a lot of frequent fliers if this comes through. Wonder what the connections to Texas will be like? Live stream from Southwest Airlines is available if you go to Northwest Florida Daily News or Panama City News Herald. I don't know how to add. Kurt had it on his earlier post. Might be available through first post here.
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A tweet from Twitter user airlinegossip says service will be to Baltimore and NashVegas.
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They are breaking out the poms poms. Seriously.
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It looks like Worth William's wife, Dana, of Eastern Lake in South Walton and Dallas, is speaking at the podium. I think she used to be a flight attendent for Southwest Airlines.
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A tweet from Twitter user airline gossip says service will be to Baltimore and NashVegas. 
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Alex, my answer is:
What are 2 cities I have never flown through on a commercial flight?
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Finally.
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CEO calls NW Florida a “very large, underserved, overpriced (airline wise) tourism gem.”
SW will offer at least two daily flights each to four destinations for eight flights a day. Service will launch in May and they will begin selling flights in December. “All the details about our destinations, fares and flight times will be available in December.”
CEO also called it a “significant risk” from a business perspective.
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they said 2 flights a day to 4 cities, they also said that they are starting new flights to STL in may as well.
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It really doesn't go with their usual expansion plans. Sounds like something of an experiment for the company and a 'use it or lose it' sort of proposition.
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CEO calls NW Florida a “very large, underserved, overpriced (airline wise) tourism gem.”
SW will offer at least two daily flights each to four destinations for eight flights a day. Service will launch in May and they will begin selling flights in December. “All the details about our destinations, fares and flight times will be available in December.”
CEO also called it a “significant risk” from a business perspective.
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So did they commit themselves to PC w/ flights to be announced, OR was this just a media event and they can still decide to go to PNS or VPS?
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PNS says they're still in negotiations and that SWA reps consider them an entirely different market than PCB.
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So did they commit themselves to PC w/ flights to be announced, OR was this just a media event and they can still decide to go to PNS or VPS? 
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Committed to PCB. Just said destinations would be available in December.
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Was there ever any doubt?
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Jacksonville, Florida, October 21, 2009 -- The St. Joe Company (NYSE: JOE) and Southwest Airlines (NYSE: LUV) today announced a strategic alliance providing for the commencement of air service to Northwest Florida's new international airport near Panama City Beach, Florida in May 2010. The airport, currently under construction, is the first international airport built in the U.S. in the last 16 years. Southwest's service at the new airport will consist of at least two daily nonstop flights from Northwest Florida to each of four destinations for a total of eight daily nonstop flights.
St. Joe is the largest landowner in Northwest Florida with hundreds of thousands of acres in the service area of the new airport. Specifically, St. Joe owns approximately 71,000 acres of land surrounding the new airport. Millions of tourists are drawn each year to Northwest Florida beaches, some of the most beautiful in the world. The region is also home to important defense aerospace economic clusters anchored by U.S. Air Force, Navy and Army installations.
"The entire Northwest Florida region can be proud of its efforts to secure service from the nation's premier low-fare airline," said St. Joe's CEO and President Britt Greene. "Southwest service, combined with the economic development potential of the new airport, will be instrumental in the long-term success of the region. The region now has a truly meaningful catalyst to help drive growth in the coming years."
St. Joe intends to aggressively leverage Southwest's service at the new international airport to drive tourism, economic development and job growth in the region and real estate absorption in the company's projects across Northwest Florida.
"History has shown that the 'Southwest Effect' can have a dramatically positive economic impact on a market and a region," said Greene. "We believe Southwest's entry into Northwest Florida will be the foundation from which growth will emanate for future decades. This will truly provide a catalyst for us to create value for our shareholders for many years to come."
"In the past, Northwest Florida's economic growth has been hampered by limited service and some of the highest airfares in the country," Greene said. "Southwest, with its legendary Customer service, extensive network and competitive fare structure, greatly improves our competitive position for economic development prospects and dramatically raises this region's profile."
Given the current state of the U.S. economy and the airline industry, new airline service must be positioned as an economic development initiative with broad regional support. St. Joe has been working alongside a number of regional organizations to secure the financial commitments to support this new air service: Coastal Vision 3000, the Bay County Tourist Development Council, the Beaches of South Walton Tourist Development Council and the Panama City - Bay County Airport and Industrial District.
St. Joe and Southwest have entered into a strategic alliance agreement to facilitate air service to the new airport. As part of the agreement, St. Joe has agreed to reimburse Southwest if it incurs losses at the new airport during the first three years of service. It also provides for any profit from the air service during the term of the agreement to be shared with St. Joe up to the amount of St. Joe's prior payments.
The Agreement provides for conditions to the commencement of the air service to the new airport, including the timely completion of the airport and Southwest reaching satisfactory agreements with the local airport authority regarding the use of the new airport and agreements with regional tourism groups regarding coordinated marketing efforts.
Additional information regarding the terms of the Agreement, including conditions to the proposed air service, termination rights and air service exclusivity provisions, may be found in St. Joe's Form 8-K to be filed today with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which will be available on our web site at Florida Real Estate - Land, homes, condos and commercial property for sale | The St. Joe Company.
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This is very interesting. (and beachmouse nailed it)
The CEO says Southwest has actually formed an alliance with St. Joe that he describes as very unique. “This is an environment that makes it very difficult to contemplate even taking a risk,” he said, but the deal with St. Joe makes it possible, even given that “this is a brand new airport with no meaningful traffic history at all.”
He called the deal pretty straightforward. “(St. Joe) will subsidize Southwest in effect during the first three years of the agreement. There are safety valves for each company in case things are worse than they could be.”
Each company has an “out” after a couple of years if the venture is a disaster.
It sounds as if the extra half-cent bed tax is being funneled to either St. Joe or directly to Southwest. It will be very interesting to see how the money flows.
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Regarding PCB getting service over PNS, CEO said the new airport represented "far and away the best opportunity to get started." PNS appears to still be in the running but there also appears to be no hurry ...
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Southwest Airlines CEO Gary Kelly officially announced Wednesday the low-cost carrier will begin service to the new Northwest Florida-Panama City International Airport when it opens in May. Tickets will go on sale in December. Kelly’s announcement came shortly after 1 p.m. Wednesday live via “streaming video” as part of Southwest’s media day from Dallas, about 15 minutes after the start of the a Panama City briefing attended by local business leaders and government officials. Kelly said the airline will bring an all-Boeing 737 fleet.
The local leaders were meeting at the airport for the expressed purpose of hearing an update on construction progress and airline marketing efforts, but Southwest’s announcement had been anticipated.
The new airport is set to open in May, and Kelly’s confirmation answers one of several questions still remaining, such as whether a low-cost carrier like Southwest Airlines is coming to the West Bay location.
Officials and business leaders in Pensacola, Okaloosa County and Panama City have been courting the coveted carrier for months, citing lower fares that can bring in more tourists and businesses.
“The Panhandle has so much to recommend it,” said U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla. and a leading advocate of the new airport serving the region. “I know that as more and more people and businesses learn about the area, we’ll attract even more jobs and opportunities.”
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NEWS FLASH--NEW SERVICE COMING NEXT MAY!!! | Nuts About Southwest
NEWS FLASH--NEW SERVICE COMING NEXT MAY!!!
Wed, 10/21/2009 - 13:19 — Bill Owen
It's Media Day at Southwest's Galactic Headquarters here in Dallas, and we have a LOT of news to share. 2010's first new city....expansion at a long-time Southwest destination....once again Southwest is getting creative to respond to demand for our service!
The biggest news of the day is that Southwest intends to begin service at the brand-new International Airport being built near Panama City, Florida next May. We're bringing low fares and GREAT service to the land of sugar-white-sand beaches, incredibly gentle blue waters, and an amazing variety of visitor accomodations just in time for vacation season, Summer, 2010! Up until Southwest's arrival, this part of Northwest Florida has been plagued by high fares and a lack of full-sized airline service. We're going to change that. Southwest's entry into the Panama City market will make it possible for all of America to experience the incredible beauty of Northwest Florida!
While we're not ready to announce specific service plans just yet (we'll announce all the specifics this December, so stay tuned!), the "how" of our entry into the Florida Panhandle is as interesting as the "why." For the first time ever, we've formed a strategic alliance with a corporate partner to enable Southwest to bring a new airport onto our network. The corporate ally in this venture is our friends at the St. Joe Corporation, with whom we've been talking for over a decade. Even if the St. Joe name isn't familiar, trust me, you know them. They are the largest landowner in the State of Florida, owning over a 600,000 acres of prime Florida Panhandle woodlands and beaches. They're also developing world-class resort communities in the area including the award-winning, jaw-droppingly-beautiful "Watercolor" complex.
Lots of other local groups are also actively helping Northwest Florida launch its new international airport. Both the Bay County Tourism Development Council and the South Walton Tourism Development Council have stepped up to the plate to make the new airport a success, as has Coastal Vision 3000. If you've never visited the Panama City area, believe me, you have an incredible treat in store. I'm already planning my family's vacation there next summer (whale watchers, take note....*gr*)!
In other big news about our May 2010 schedule, today Gary announced our intent to grow our St. Louis operation by adding new nonstop service in six markets, and additional flights in two others. We'll be adding two new nonstop, roundtrip flights each weekday between St. Louis and both Los Angeles and Nashville; and one daily roundtrip between St. Louis and New Orleans; Raleigh/Durham; Seattle; and San Diego. (Sidebar to all of you nascent "schedule geeks" out there--St. Louis-Nashville service may be the single most frequently requested new market between existing Southwest airports during my 16 years in Schedule Planning. So, to all of you that have asked for this service through the years, this one's for you--NOW KINDLY GO BUY A TICKET!!!!)
These additions come on the heels of our other recent St. Louis announcement that we're adding new nonstop service between Lambert and both Boston and Minneapolis/St. Paul this coming January. In fact, we're so pumped about our growth in St. Louis that we'll add a third St. Louis-Minneapolis/St. Paul flight with all of the other new service in May. All told, by next may, we plan to be operating 83 weekday departures from our gates in Lambert-St. Louis International's East Terminal (which is the newest and most modern terminal at Lambert!).
Again, all of this awesome new service in St. Louis and Panama City will begin next May, and will be available for sale this December. But don't wait until December to check out this blog again--you never know what other surprises we've got in store for you!
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Did anyone else read that press release and go "whoa!"?
Are the taxpayers going to be legally obligated to fund any shortfall due to the content of these agreements?
And is part the bed-tax money is going to St. Joe?
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Did anyone else read that press release and go "whoa!"?
Are the taxpayers going to be legally obligated to fund any shortfall due to the content of these agreements?
And is part the bed-tax money is going to St. Joe?
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Good question. St. Joe is filing something with the Securities and Exchange Commission that apparently will outline the alliance ... I hope to see EXACTLY how tax money will be used in this agreement.
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Form 8K (Entry into a Material Definitive Agreement, Financial Statements and Exhibits) has been filed.
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On October 21, 2009, The St. Joe Company ("St. Joe") entered into a Strategic Alliance Agreement for Air Service with Southwest Airlines Co. ("Southwest"). Pursuant to the agreement, Southwest will provide air service to the new Northwest Florida international airport in Bay County consisting of at least two scheduled flights per day to each of four separate flight destinations in the Southwest network. The air service will commence on or about the opening of the new airport, which is currently scheduled for May 2010.
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St. Joe has been working alongside a number of regional organizations in its effort to secure the financial commitments to support the new air service.
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St. Joe has agreed, to the extent that Southwest operates at a loss, to make quarterly cash payments to Southwest to cover shortfalls in the results of Southwest's operations at the new airport during the first three years of service. For purposes of the break even calculation, the agreement establishes fixed amounts for Southwest's non-fuel expenses and the minimum revenues that will be attributable to the air service. It also provides that Southwest's profits from the air service during the term of the agreement will be shared with St. Joe up to the maximum amount of St. Joe's prior break even payments.
The term of the agreement extends for a period of three years after the commencement of Southwest's air service at the new airport. The agreement may be terminated by St. Joe if the payments to Southwest exceed $14 million in the first year of air service, or $12 million in the second year of air service. St. Joe may also terminate the agreement if Southwest has not commenced air service to the new airport within 90 days of its opening. Southwest may terminate the agreement if its actual annual revenues attributable to the air service at the new airport are less than certain minimum annual amounts established in the agreement.
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Conditions of the commencement of service include:
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(4) the execution of an agreement between Southwest, the Bay County Tourist Development Council, the Panama City Beach Convention and Visitors Bureau and the Beaches of South Walton Tourist Development Council, no later than 30 days from the date of the agreement, regarding the coordination of marketing resources and efforts for the air service; (5) the execution of an agreement between Southwest and Coastal Vision 3000, no later than 60 days from the date of the agreement, regarding the establishment of a program through which Southwest would receive available room nights free of charge at various rental properties in Northwest Florida for use in the marketing efforts for the air service;
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Translation: In a month there will be a deal in place between Southwest, the Bay County TDC, the Panama City Beach Convention and Visitors Bureau and the Walton County TDC regarding "resources" ... ie bed taxes. How soon will we, the public, be able to read this agreement?
And Coastal Vision 3000 is giving away rooms...? to whom?
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Southwest has agreed that it will not commence air service to any airport within 80 statute miles of the new airport during the term of the agreement. In the event Southwest starts service to any airport that is more than 80 statute miles but within 120 statute miles from the new airport during the term (*cough* PNS *cough*), Southwest and St. Joe will either negotiate a modification to the terms of the agreement to accommodate the impact of such service or the minimum revenues used in the annual break even calculations under the agreement will automatically be increased by 10%. In such event, Southwest has agreed that the air service to the new airport in Bay County would not be diminished.
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Who will be paying the taxes on the "free rooms" Coastal Vision 3000 is providing to Southwest as part of the deal?
And what exactly is the TDC obligated to do as part of their agreement?
Too bad they won't start service until after Spring Break too!
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Who will be paying the taxes on the "free rooms" Coastal Vision 3000 is providing to Southwest as part of the deal?
And what exactly is the TDC obligated to do as part of their agreement?
Too bad they won't start service until after Spring Break too!
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I am not the TDC, but in the numerous TDC meetings I have been in when it was discussed, and in the the passage of the actual funding resolution approved by the BCC, the Walton County TDC dollars would be limited to joint marketing efforts and is currently capped at the 1/2% bed tax level.
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So the deal says St. Joe may have to pay as much as $14 million to Southwest to cover shortfalls during the first year of service. The expected TDC revenue from that half-cent tax increase for the 2009-10 fiscal year was, last I saw, about $1.1 million and will probably increase at least somewhat for the 2010-11 year, which is what would cover Southwest's first year of service. So it appears that the bed tax increases from Walton and Bay will supplement Joe's funding to Southwest, but it does not appear the bed tax increases will be funding this entire agreement.
Firmer numbers are needed however. I find it hard to believe that St. Joe is on the hook for as much as $10 million without the money coming creatively from somewhere else.
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JOE has much to gain in Bay County by supplementing money to SW. I'm sure they have always known they would do it, just didn't know how much it will cost. By adding the Bay and Walton County bed tax increases to the coffers, it just makes their portion less costly. Also, as new direct, low-cost flights are added to our top supporting markets, you will see bed counts increase and therefore, the supplemental money from JOE will be less as time moves forward.
If you don't know anything about JOE's West Bay sector, you don't know much about JOE. There is no way they would allow SW to go to P'cola or VPS.
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JOE has much to gain in Bay County by supplementing money to SW. I'm sure they have always known they would do it, just didn't know how much it will cost. By adding the Bay and Walton County bed tax increases to the coffers, it just makes their portion less costly. Also, as new direct, low-cost flights are added to our top supporting markets, you will see bed counts increase and therefore, the supplemental money from JOE will be less as time moves forward.
If you don't know anything about JOE's West Bay sector, you don't know much about JOE. There is no way they would allow SW to go to P'cola or VPS.
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VPS never stood a chance with this.
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How could they? It's a wonder the new airport isn't named St. Joe Int'l, with the code renamed from PFN to JOE.
As a frequent traveler, I'm happy for the cheaper fares, if SW will actually go somewhere that connects to somewhere I go - if you follow that. But dang, just as the NW/DL buyout was going to let me finally qualify for Medallion level, after years of splitting flights between them and never qualifying on either!
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Here's the question, is this a fluke or a game changer?
As pointed out by numerous posters, on paper this is highly suspect with Southwest's "typical" business model (considering our business climate do we really know what "typical" is anymore?). IMO, the other airlines are probably shocked at what's happening- especially Delta/Northwest. From personal experience, I can tell you that in the past three months the flights from where I live to South Walton have been cheaper flying into PC than VPS both on Delta connecting in ATL. Now, you have a low cost carrier flying into PC.
I will be curious to see how it all turns out but with St. Joe involved. I also agree with SJ and AL, VPS never stood a chance.
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Here's the question, is this a fluke or a game changer?
As pointed out by numerous posters, on paper this is highly suspect with Southwest's "typical" business model (considering our business climate do we really know what "typical" is anymore?). IMO, the other airlines are probably shocked at what's happening- especially Delta/Northwest. From personal experience, I can tell you that in the past three months the flights from where I live to South Walton have been cheaper flying into PC than VPS both on Delta connecting in ATL. Now, you have a low cost carrier flying into PC.
I will be curious to see how it all turns out but with St. Joe involved. I also agree with SJ and AL, VPS never stood a chance.
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Game changer, I'd suspect.
And, it looks like Delta figured it out ahead of the rest of us. Hence the lower recent fares, a fact not lost on me, either. It will be interesting to see if SW just cherry-picks some routes, or actually offers some useful connections. For now, DL/NW combined offer a whole lot of useful connections into/out of PFN, er JOE.
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I think long term success comes from giving people a reason to come to PCB that isn't directly related to THE Beach. High value customers will stay away in spring until PCB tosses out the spring breakers, and summer beach vacations are effectively a regional affair. (and western Michigan, the Jersey shore and Cape Cod all have far better summer weather than the Panhandle does). Winter here is not the bikini weather that draws many to South Florida.
Something that the area does significantly lack is large convention space- neither the Emerald Coast Conference Center nor Sandestin are big enough to handle middle-large (3K people and up) effectively and Pensacola also doesn't have good trade show space at the Civic Center. Partner up with a big player in the conference sector like Gaylord, build one of their gigantic climate-controlled hotel and conference center complexes, and you could have something that draws in large number of high dollar visitors and doesn't depend on the weather so much.
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They'll still get my business.
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as for convention space, maybe the indian tribe which owns a good chunk of property in PCB, will eventually get casino gambling, hotel, and convention center. Kiss Sandestin convention business goodbye. ???
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I think Sandestin will always have a niche for small scale, very high dollar conferences. Differnet groups, different needs, and I think there's room for multiple players in that market.
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I'm just saying, if a big casino is built with large conference center in PCB, and very close to new airport with discount fairs and new four lane to get there by car, it will draw many conferences away from Sandestin. Sandestin better start to get the mouse wheels a churnin'.
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Breaking News!!!
Southwest Airlines just changed the name of their company to "The Airline"(tm), expect St. Joe's announcement tomorrow, RE: "The Company"(tm).
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Nice airport, but leaving Seagrove at 4:00AM to make a 6:00AM departure from VPS isn't my idea of fun. Throw in the new price reductions out of PFN, and I'm not real interested in flying out of VPS.
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Just curious, does anyone know how many miles it is to the new airport versus how many miles to VPS, from Seagrove?
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Google maps is neat and easy for that. There is an expressway planned over the intracoastal near WaterSound from 98 to the new airport.
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Southwest Airlines will bring lower airfares and draw more businesses to the Panama City area, officials said Wednesday.
“What a low-cost carrier will do is connect us to the world,” said Janet Watermeier, Bay County Economic Development Alliance executive director.
Southwest announced Wednesday its intention to add up to eight direct flights to the new Northwest Florida-Panama City International Airport when it opens in May. The announcement comes after months of speculation about whether the airport could draw a major low-cost carrier. Southwest has about 3,300 flights a day and is the largest U.S. carrier for domestic departures as of last year, according to the company Web site.
Bodine and Watermeier said the low-cost carrier means lower airfares.
Southwest’s average passenger airfare is about $114, according to its Web site. Delta Air Lines, which has served the Panama City airport 25 years, will be competing with Southwest. Using the company Web site, a roundtrip ticket to Washington, D.C., currently costs about $500.
“While we can’t comment on future pricing, Delta is a vigorous competitor in every market we serve,” Delta spokesman Kent Landers said in e-mail.
Delta has a global connection it brings to Panama City, Landers said. On Tuesday the airline announced plans to grow its international flights, according to its Web site.
Delta and its carriers probably will lose passengers to Southwest, said Dr. Rick Harper, the University of West Florida’s Haas Center for Business Research and Economic Development.
Northwest Florida Regional Airport in Okaloosa County and Tallahassee Regional Airport are also likely to lose passengers who have been driving an hour to find cheaper fares, he said via e-mail.
Capturing Southwest’s attention means the largest domestic carrier thinks highly of the areas growth potential, Harper said.
Military impact
Southwest’s arrival also will be welcomed by defense contractors and serve as a boon to area efforts in attracting future military missions to Tyndall Air Force Base and Naval Support Activity-Panama City, Panama City-based Applied Research Associates vice president Glen McDonald said.
Businessmen will have fast and affordable transportation, something that is especially important to defense contractors, Bodine said. A lot of defense contractors come in and out of the city, having Southwest might draw even more defense contractors, said Bay County Chamber of Commerce President Carol Roberts.
“It’s a win-win for everyone,” Roberts said. “More people are going to come to the region.”
Watermeier said she knew one contractor who told her that his business would double should Southwest come to Panama City.
ARA vice president Glen McDonald said Wednesday’s announcement would mean more direct flights, lower airfares and a wider choice of travel options for defense contractors.
“It will not only lower our costs, it will also lower military costs,” McDonald said.
Most area contractors fly to the Washington, D.C., area for business purposes, McDonald said, which would make daily flights to Baltimore-Washington International Airport well traveled. Southwest will fly direct from Panama City to four cities, but those locations have not yet been announced.
McDonald said the addition of Southwest’s flights would be “a big deal” for contractors, with the added competition putting pressure on existing carriers to lower their fares as well.
ITT director Matt Miller said Southwest’s arrival would make it cheaper to do business.
“It’s long overdue,” Miller said.
Defense firms have to include travel expenses when they bid contracts, another reason to applaud the Southwest decision, McDonald said.
McDonald said the Department of Defense and various military branches, when considering locations for new military missions and platforms, look at potential travel costs as a factor in their selections.
“In the past, when we’ve been up against those travel costs, we’ve lost,” McDonald said.
ARA had collected data on military, defense contractor, business and overall travel, as well as projected travel, in and out of the area and provided it to the Bay Economic Development Alliance, McDonald said.
He said that information was provided to a number of airline carriers, including Southwest.
Bay Defense Alliance and area officials have been aggressively promoting Tyndall Air Force Base as a possible future F-35 training site in light of the Air Force’s May announcement of its intentions to accelerate the drawdown of Tyndall’s two F-15 squadrons.
BDA President Tom Neubauer said the addition of Southwest would also make Bay County’s military bases more competitive with other bases for future missions.
“Getting those fares down is very, very big,” Neubauer said.
Tourism impact
Other businesses already rooted in the community will benefit, too, said Berg Steel Pipe president David Delie. Delie might fly to Washington, D.C., up to 24 times during a year, he said. More affordable flights will mean either more travel, company savings and also benefit Berg’s customers and venders, he said.
“It’s a good thing for Berg, it’s a good thing for the city,” Delie said. “We’re really excited. It makes doing business a lot easier.”
Getting Southwest also means more tourism, Harper said. That’s exactly what Coastal Vision 3000, an organization established to promote Panhandle tourism, hopes for. Southwest is exactly what the region needed, said Mel Ponder, executive director.
“When they (Southwest) come to an area, the whole area just explodes really,” Ponder said.
Tourists often decide to look at Panama City to open a business, said Gulf Coast Workforce Board executive director Kim Bodine. More businesses might choose to start up in Panama City, she said.
Ponders expects an immediate difference, with about 2,000 seats filled and flying into Panama City the first day. Bodine said area businesses see gradual improvements instead of a major burst because of the recession.
“I think we’ll see an immediate improvement; I’m just not sure how large that will be,” she said.
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Not sure exactly where the "terminal" is at the new airport, but I Google mapped from Point Washington to VPS, and then to Hwy 79 just north of the 388 intersection:
VPS: 39.7 mi 1 hr 9 min
PC/Bay airport: 28 mi 48 min
My experience has been that VPS is usually about 45-50 minutes in reality (but I normally take very early morning flights), so adjust accordingly.
Now, if they ever actually build the expressway directly from Inlet Beach to the new airport, the time will really drop.
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Just curious, does anyone know how many miles it is to the new airport versus how many miles to VPS, from Seagrove?
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Starting from Poe Street  I've done a quick practice drive. With the current trip down beautiful Scenic 30-A, to four-lane 98, to four-lane 79, it is only about a 25 minute trip to the new NWFLPCI airport. It takes about an hour to get to VPS. Huge time and distance difference for the high end resorts on the east side of Walton County's beaches. It may be a decade, but when the new 388 route is extended from the NWPC airport to SoWal, the trip will even be quicker. Road is through or near JOE land. I expect this to happen sooner than later. From the new airport, going up to I-10 in DeFuniak Springs is only about 30 minutes. Now that's connecting business routes and good living.
High end visitors will continue to stream into 30-A and other South Walton beach locations. This is certainly a boost to the area. One poster said high enders wouldn't come to PC during Spring Break. Well, they do come to SoWal's Spring Break and will come in increasing numbers to South Walton year round. Southwest Airlines has just provided a SoWal express route for those high enders who already own in WaterColor, Seagrove Beach, WaterSound, Alys Beach, Seacrest, Rosemary Beach, Sandestin, Miramar Beach etc. Now their friends will fly in to see them and possibly buy their own place.
I expect a lot of business to also locate in South Walton due to the close proximity of the new airport. JOE has tons of business land available now in SoWal. The airport, remember as I've posted before, is within the original borders of Walton County. To live in, do business or visit the best beaches in the world is just as close to Walton County as it is to PC.
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We have driven from Watercolor to 388 at least a hundred times on our trips to and from Tallahassee and it takes about 25 minutes. Worst case scenario would probably be about 30-35 minutes to the new airport from the middle of 30a.
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We have fun with our 10+ hour drive, but for family members who want to join us and don't have a whole week, this will be great.
Coincidentally, we had SW representative at work yesterday for a 'Fun at Four' to announce our new 'partnership' with them and they told me the PCB airport announcement had just been made 2 hours earlier. What fun.(We also bring our bikes with us and WAY too much stuff.) It will be fun for a long weekend/spur of the moment that we can't do now.
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At first I thought "wow, she's even wearing the color of THE Beach," but then it occurred to me that perhaps the color of THE Beach was chosen with the color of THE airline in mind. Hmmmm
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Exactly...I found it quite interesting that the announcement of the Southwest contract had a link to THE BEACH which was all in "Southwest " colors. It was just a coincidence...ya think?
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Any guesses or insight on what the other cities are? A direct Chicago flight would be incredible. St. Louis would be great...
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I'm thinking Chi-town or St. Louis. We have a lot of St. Louis renters who drive down and I always think they are the best.  Would love to have more of them flying direct.
Maybe Minneapolis/St. Paul?
I read a rumor that Orlando was in that mix too. Not quite sure I believe it.
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Millions of potential tourists and business travelers on Wednesday got closer to relaxing escapes when Southwest Airlines CEO Gary Kelly announced that the carrier will provide service to the new Northwest Florida-Panama City International Airport when the facility opens in May 2010.
Many travelers will gain greater access to Beaches of South Walton and its collection of 15 picturesque beach communities, sugar-white sand and emerald-green water.
Southwest Airlines will open a gateway to the scenic beauty of the Northwest Florida Gulf Coast for travelers from places like Baltimore, Chicago, Houston, New York and Washington, D.C. Meeting planners also will gain a new destination when searching for a memorable coastal outing.
Kelly made the announcement Wednesday during a tour and briefing named with football jargon that denotes a scoring opportunity: “Entering the Red Zone: Drive to the Finish at the Northwest Florida-Panama City International Airport.”
The commitment from Southwest Airlines puts big points on the board for business and tourism across the region, as well as consumers hungry for beach travel.
“The new airport—and more competitive air service—will be a real boost for tourism and business travel across the entire region," said Sonny Mares, executive director of the Beaches of South Walton Tourist Development Council. “The added air service will fulfill a critical need, providing travelers direct access to Northwest Florida.”
The new airport will be located in western Bay County north of County Road 388 and east of State Road 79 on land donated by The St. Joe Company.
"We have been overwhelmed by the amount of energy that Panhandle residents have put on Southwest Airlines to start service to that area," Kelly said.
Arriving so close to the eastern end of Beaches of South Walton, visitors will discover a special place with famously clean and well-maintained beaches that beautifully blends casual with sophisticated and relaxation with activity. Just in time for the 2010 Memorial Day weekend, they’ll find a diverse range of accommodations, from resort experiences to intimate cottages.
Whether families are seeking a weeklong vacation or couples are looking for a relaxing weekend getaway, they can never say there’s nothing to do—unless doing nothing is what they came for. Both groups will appreciate high-quality events, diverse shopping, fine dining and natural activities like hiking, biking and kayaking.
Additionally, the airport’s green focus is in line with the sustainable tourism ideals that Beaches of South Walton rigorously has followed throughout the last decade.
Forty percent of the land in Walton County is preserved as state parks and forests, and the destination has the largest concentation of rare coastal dune lakes in the world, with 15 dotting the coastline.
The airport plan incorporates approximately 78,000 acres and, of particular significance, the boundary of the plan includes an entire bay system (West Bay), thereby allowing unprecedented planning to protect an entire watershed. An innovative element is the West Bay Preservation Area, which will preserve approximately 41,000 acres and, when fully implemented, will provide for habitat corridors, open space and stream protection.
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Southwest to land jobs in Panama City | bay, county, florida - Business - The News Herald
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Southwest Airlines likely will bring about 35 new jobs to Bay County initially, a spokeswoman said Thursday.
“It’s a great place to work,” Southwest spokeswoman Christi Day said.
The low-cost carrier announced Wednesday its plan to bring flights to the new Northwest Florida-Panama City International Airport near West Bay. The carrier will have eight flights a day, but routes will not be announced until tickets go on sale in December.
Having a major, domestic carrier is expected to boost the local economy and create more jobs, officials have said. But the airline itself is known as a great place to work and offers the best salaries in the industry, Day said.
Specific jobs, actual job numbers and potential salaries for the new location have not been finalized, Day said. Generally, when Southwest starts up operations, between 30 and 35 jobs are needed immediately, she said.
Day indicated the new airport will not have a Southwest pilot base at first. Any area pilots who might work for Southwest would travel to a pilot base, such as Orlando, to fly out of, Day said.
When the airline will take applications also is unknown, Day said. Announcements about jobs will be on Twitter and Facebook, both online social networking sites. The airline also runs a blog at www.blogsouthwest.com. Types of jobs and availability are listed at www.southwest.com.
Jobs might not be limited to pilots or ramp agents. Southwest will boost the airport’s options for drawing concessions and restaurants, airport executive director Randy Curtis said.
“Like any other business that’s driven on the number of customers we have, with the increase in volume we expect, this puts us in a much better position,” Curtis said.
First Class Concessions Inc. will move from the old airport to take either one or both of the restaurant locations at the new airport. The new facility will have three locations for concessions, such as gift shops, Curtis said. Those will be bid out before May, he said.
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Any guesses or insight on what the other cities are? A direct Chicago flight would be incredible. St. Louis would be great...
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I'm pretty certain that I recently read something official, including Nashville, and Baltimore as two of the four cities. I also read rumor of St Louis being a third. As it stands, I think the current PC airport has Washington at the top of the heaviest current flight traffic, and you know that politicians always make sure they can get to DC easily, so Baltimore shouldn't be a surprise.
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Any idea when this airport will have direct flights to Houston, Germany and the U.K.?
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Any idea when this airport will have direct flights to Houston, Germany and the U.K.?
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Apparenlty when Joe decides it's worth it to pony up the $50 million it would probably take for BA or Luftansa to run a couple planes into the area.
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Any idea when this airport will have direct flights to Houston, Germany and the U.K.?
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According to a higher up at JOE, the people at this new airport are hoping to have a direct flight to London soon after opening. They also are hoping to have seasonal direct flights to Canada. As far as I know, those are the only international flights currently in the works.
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Southwest has committed to 8 nonstop flights daily from four cities, for a total of 2,000 seats/day. Some of the cities Southwest serves are Nashville, Baltimore/Washington, Dallas, and Orlando. Routes will be announced when tickets go on sale in December.
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Southwest has committed to 8 nonstop flights daily from four cities, for a total of 2,000 seats/day. Some of the cities Southwest serves are Nashville, Baltimore/Washington, Dallas, and Orlando. Routes will be announced when tickets go on sale in December.
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Kurt, is that meant to imply that those are the first four cities???
I heard Nashville and Baltimore are in the first two. And rumors of St. Louis...
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Kurt, is that meant to imply that those are the first four cities???
I heard Nashville and Baltimore are in the first two. And rumors of St. Louis...
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These names keep popping up and they are probably good bets.
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It's probably buried somewhere in this thread, but does anyone know approximately how far north of 98, and how far south of I-10 the new airport is?
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Airport, St. Joe eyeing parity: Added revenue expected from agreement on new industries | North America > United States from AllBusiness.com
The Airport Board is negotiating a "through-thefence" agreement with The St. Joe Co. that officials said will help bring parity between industries that set up shop on airport land and future aircraft-related industries on St. Joe land surrounding the airport. Such an
agreement will hammer out security and safety concerns and bring additional revenue to the airport via fees for access to the airport and its runway. Such agreements are not unusual, airport Executive Director Randy Curtis said Monday, and should benefit both the airport and St. Joe.St. Joe has announced plans to develop about 1,000 acres near the entrance of the new Northwest Florida-Panama City International Airport for industrial, commercial and services-related uses, focusing particularly on aerospace, logistics and defense-oriented technology companies.
St. Joe donated the 4,000 acres on which the airport sits, and the Airport Authority has hired a company to help market and lease the land surrounding the 1,300-acre terminal and runway areas. The lease of this property will produce needed revenue for the airport district.
Businesses off site but with access to the aiport would not contribute financially to the airport district without a "through-the-fence" agreement, Curtis said, offering a competitive advantage that would reduce the capacity of on-site companies to compete for services.
The "master developer" for the airport land, Jones Lang LeSalle, already has opened local office space and is developing a project analysis of how to market and manage the industrial and commercial development of airport land.
In September, St. Joe announced it was creating a new position to focus on companies seeking to expand or relocate to the new airport, such as aerospace, aviation, logistics and defense technology.
St. Joe, Northwest Florida's largest private landowner, owns about 71,000 acres within the West Bay Sector Plan, a state-sanctioned, land-planning blueprint for residential and business development.
In other business, the Department of Environmental Protection signed off Friday on a 1,600-foot runway extension with a letter to the Federal Aviation Administration.
The airport wants to complete the extension in time for a week-long FAA flight test in February. The extra length will bring the runway to 10,000 feet.
Airport officials still are waiting for a similar letter from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers "concurring with the DEP findings," Curtis said.
The construction of the extension should take from six to eight weeks, so airport officials are not yet feeling time pressure about the Corps letter.
"But the sooner the better," Curtis said.
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Details of Southwest Airlines and St. Joe “Partnership” | pcbdaily.com
by Jason Koertge on November 2, 2009
It was made quite clear by Bob Montgomery, Vice President of Properties for Southwest Airlines, that if it weren’t for St. Joe, Southwest Airlines wouldn’t be coming to Panama City. The discussions between St. Joe and Southwest Airlines began over a decade ago. One of the things that was explained to me a short while ago was that Southwest Airlines can go where ever they want to go; they just pick an airport, and the airport accommodates. I was told that Southwest coming to Panama City made absolutely no sense from a business perspective and the prospect encompassed more risk than a company like Southwest would be willing to take. But, what if the risk was mitigated by a third party? That was their ticket into our market.
Read on for all the facts.
Rumors were flying around over the summer that St. Joe offered to give Southwest $10 million. A comment was made here on pcbdaily.com that $10 million was peanuts for a company like Southwest. And while I don’t necessarily disagree, a little subsidy money never hurts, even if it isn’t lining the pockets of SWA.
Of course, it should be noted at this time that the agreement for Southwest Airlines to come to Panama City is more complex than St. Joe offering a little incentive. The entire arrangement is only grounded by St. Joe’s offering, but it actually consists of several moving parts and pieces (more on that another time).
So, what did it take to woo the coveted Southwest Airlines to our beaches? The commitment from St. Joe involved money to the tune of $26 million over the course of 2 years. Specifically, St. Joe agreed to pay Southwest Airlines up to $14 million the first year of operations and up to $12 million the second year. Conversely, if Southwest operated at a profit, they’ve agreed to share that profit with St. Joe.
What does all this mean? Well, to put it simply, Southwest Airlines has a fixed cost (well, it varies a little based on fuel costs) to operate its jets. Given their experience, they’ve estimated approximately how much it would cost for them to bring service to the Northwest Florida Panama City International Airport. Therefore, Southwest agreed that if St. Joe will pay up to $14 million in the first year and up to $12 million in the second year to ensure no loss in revenue, it would make sense for them to service and build a market for our area.
By now, I’m sure you read the opinion piece I wrote refuting Carlton Proctor’s Pensacola News Journal article discussing his disagreement with Southwest “[ignoring] its long-standing and highly successful business plan,” citing that they were “bought” by St. Joe. Bought sounds like such a nasty term, used in this context; it insinuates a negative connotation in that mitigating risk is a bad thing.
The reality is risk-mitigation is a good thing, just ask any insurance professional. If one can stand to turn a profit with little or no risk, what’s wrong with that? Isn’t that the capitalistic American Way? Southwest is a publicly traded company and has a duty to please its share-holders. An opportunity to expand market share, increase customer reach, grow the company and in turn increasing revenue all while mitigating risk sounds great to me if I was a shareholder!
But, I digress, on to the details.
St. Joe has agreed to pay Southwest quarterly payments if Southwest operates at a loss for the first 2 years of a 3 year agreement. At the end of the agreement, either party can terminate if certain criterion are met. If St. Joe has had to pay in excess of the agreed amounts they can back out. If Southwest Airlines “actual annual revenues attributable to the air service at the new airport are less than certain minimum annual amounts established in the agreement,” they can back out. Furthermore, it also “provides that Southwest’s profits from the air service during the term of the agreement will be shared with St. Joe up to the maximum amount of St. Joe’s prior break even payments”
The idea here is to have a fair and equitable agreement that is mutually beneficial for both companies with the ultimate benefactor being Bay County and the Northwest Florida Regional Area. Sure St. Joe stands to make a profit with all of their land surrounding the airport, but shall we go back into the publicly traded company Capitalistic American Way discussion again?
It makes sense when two companies plan to increase market share and generate more revenue that if they can work together to decrease risk, that they do in fact do that. For both companies, it is about managing risk. St. Joe decreases their risk in holding all that land with the opportunity at future development by partnering with Southwest to bring more people into the market; and Southwest decreases their risk by accepting payments from St. Joe so that their cost to enter a market is little to nothing with an opportunity to grow substantial profits in the future.
Who wins with this? We all do.
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Name has changed to:
Northwest Florida Beaches International Airport (NWFBIA)
Airport authority voted 3-2 to change the name from Northwest Florida-Panama City International Airport.
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Amazing that such an important decision would not be unanimous and so controversial. This 3-2 vote needs some vetting. NWFL Daily News, front page, 11-11-09 said "Bay Airport Authority Vice Chairman Bill Cramer didn't care for the new name. He said its "Beaches" moniker made the Panhandle seem too "one-dimensional."
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I agree with that statement of airport authority vice chairman, Bill Cramer -- the new name is too "one-dimensional." I've said it all along with the group, THE Beach. That name rules out all things north of the beaches, which includes much more property than the beach areas. With the West Bay Sector's growth, I'm sure many people in the future will be questioning the name as well. In my opinion, from a marketing standpoint, the new name is still waaaayyyyy too long to roll off the tongue with ease.
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I agree with that statement of airport authority vice chairman, Bill Cramer -- the new name is too "one-dimensional." I've said it all along with the group, THE Beach. That name rules out all things north of the beaches, which includes much more property than the beach areas. With the West Bay Sector's growth, I'm sure many people in the future will be questioning the name as well. In my opinion, from a marketing standpoint, the new name is still waaaayyyyy too long to roll off the tongue with ease.
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I agree about the length of the name. I guess they had to stick "beaches" in there to differentiate from the existing Northwest Florida Airport. I suppose through common usage it will be shortened to Northwest Florida International which is still a mouthful.
I understand your concern about marketing efforts focusing on the beaches and ignoring the inland areas but the reality is the beaches are the draw and 99% (I'm guessing) of visitors never venture more than a few miles from the coast. Being more generic is not going to make anyone want to go to Florida Caverns State Park or the Possum Festival. People who visit here and have a little extra time might want to explore other areas but they are likely going to get their information when they get here.
Their view from the air and driving back and forth from the new airport to their rental spot will confirm to them that the areas off the beach is undeveloped wilderness.
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That will be true for several years, but in twenty years, it probably won't look nearly the same. Twenty years may seem like a long time, since Seaside is is only about 28 years old, and is practically the oldest "development" in our area. However, with growth being exponential in our area, I think the next twenty years will bring more change than the past twenty years.
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I suppose through common usage it will be shortened to Northwest Florida International which is still a mouthful.
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Which might be further shortened to simply, "NFI" ... which could also stand for one possible answer to the question, "What's the name of that airport?"
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I agree about the length of the name. I guess they had to stick "beaches" in there to differentiate from the existing Northwest Florida Airport. I suppose through common usage it will be shortened to Northwest Florida International which is still a mouthful.
I understand your concern about marketing efforts focusing on the beaches and ignoring the inland areas but the reality is the beaches are the draw and 99% (I'm guessing) of visitors never venture more than a few miles from the coast. Being more generic is not going to make anyone want to go to Florida Caverns State Park or the Possum Festival. People who visit here and have a little extra time might want to explore other areas but they are likely going to get their information when they get here.
Their view from the air and driving back and forth from the new airport to their rental spot will confirm to them that the areas off the beach is undeveloped wilderness.
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Time will tell what really went on with all the name business, etc. Time will also tell what happens with development in Northwest Florida. My 1931 map of Walton County proudly states "Where The Highlands Meet the Gulf." Absolutely no mention of beach business. The reality at that time was different. The reality of the future is open.
The 1931 map says:
"Equable temperature; summer showers furnish abundant moisture for growing crops. Average rainfall 56 inches per annum, evenly distributed thruout the year.
Garden and farm products grow here with high yelds and good profits.
Satsuma oranges, grapes, blueberries, peaches, pears, plums, and pecans do particularly well here.
Poultry production, hogs, sheep, and dairying pays well in this county."
What will the map of 2031 say?
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The problem with a non-city specific airport name is that multiple airlines tend to list it under multiple different names. VPS has had this issue for a long time- you could be searching Ft. Walton Beach, Okaloosa County, or Eglin AFB depending on which airline web site you're at, and some airlines were still identifying DCA as Washington National for 10+ years after it was renamed for Reagan.
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according to WMBB the Federal Aviation Administration designation code is TFB for
The
Florida
Beaches
wmbb.com - Airport Renamed, Again
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11-11-2009, 12:42 PM
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The humor potential for this is great ...................... I want to go to the F^$$**^$ Beach ............ so I type in TFB!
As long as they don't use orange!
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Well that is easy, eh, like Florida doesn't have any other beaches.
If this is true, I think you messed up the name. It will probably be,
THE
Florida
Beach
aka - TFB
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Too e Ffin' Brainy to understand ...
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