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Old 06-19-2009, 11:26 PM   #101
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And you think a measly 1/2 cent bed tax increase will get them here?
...not Southwest--but I'd bet the farm that there's a place for Odom's Fly-By-Night Airways

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Surprisingly, he made no mention of opening up full service to a new hub at THE™ Beach Airport.
Southwest does not operate on the hub and spoke principal. The closest thing they have to a hub is Dallas only because that's where they are based. All of their service is point to point with no luggage agreements with other air lines.

Of all the theories of new service to the airport, Southwest makes the most sense. They have low overhead and serve an area of the country that does not have direct access to NW Fla without connecting. If they come, look for two or three flights a day to start with, but considering the fact that there are so many empty seats flying into PC, it may be a while before we see any big changes...
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The one discount airline that might be a good fit for PCB, provided the local hotels and condo management firms play nice, is Allegiant Air, which specializes in low cost airfare plus hotel packages.

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I hadn't heard of them until parents recently mentioned that they could now get a super cheap direct flight with them from Grand Rapids to either Las Vegas or Orlando, but it seems like PCB would work well with their existing business model.
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The one discount airline that might be a good fit for PCB, provided the local hotels and condo management firms play nice, is Allegiant Air, which specializes in low cost airfare plus hotel packages.

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I hadn't heard of them until parents recently mentioned that they could now get a super cheap direct flight with them from Grand Rapids to either Las Vegas or Orlando, but it seems like PCB would work well with their existing business model.
Do you suppose the people at The Beach know about them yet?
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Probably not considering the general lack of vision at Coastal Vision and other such organizations.
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The new airport under construction near West Bay is proceeding on schedule and should be completed by the May 2010 target date, airport officials said Friday.

Jeff Dealy of KBR, program manager for the relocation project, said he was more worried about getting the various agency occupants moved onto the complex in a timely fashion.

"That would be our one hiccup," Dealy said. He was referring to the different agencies slated to move into the new terminal structure, including the Transportation Security Adminstration, U.S. Customs and Border Protection and various car rental firms and air carriers.

"Everyone is up to date, but there is still some work to be done," he said.

Space also is being allocated for a Bay County Chamber of Commerce Business Center and the Bay County Tourist Development Council, said Randy Curtis, executive director of the Panama City-Bay County International Airport, which is moving its operations to the new site.

The 8,400-foot runway is now 100-percent complete, and construction teams are awaiting FAA approval before extending it to 10,000 feet. Once approval is gained, the extension should take about two months to complete, officials said.

The 120,000-square-foot airport terminal, more than twice as large as the current structure in Panama City, is now about a third complete, Curtis said. The $62.8 million terminal complex always has been seen as the heart of the new $318 million airport taking shape near West Bay. The old terminal was only about 57,000 square feet, Curtis said.

"They are getting pretty close, about two-thirds, to at least having everything under a roof," he said.

Curtis said the new terminal complex will not only consist of the main terminal and a 147-foot air traffic control tower, but will host a public safety building, a maintenance building, a cargo building and a rental car area.

"We are all moving toward that May date," Curtis said.

On its first floor, the main terminal will house a ticket area for airlines, space for five rental car agencies, a baggage claim area with three conveyer belts, a restaurant and a gift shop with newsstand, Curtis said.

The upper level will consist of the passenger boarding area, airport administration offices, a second restaurant and a lounge area dedicated for the military.

One of the main goals of the new airport has been to "make it more efficient for processing both baggage and passengers," Curtis said.
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Jeff Dealy of KBR, program manager for the relocation project, said he was more worried about getting the various agency occupants moved onto the complex in a timely fashion.

"That would be our one hiccup," Dealy said. He was referring to the different agencies slated to move into the new terminal structure, including the Transportation Security Adminstration, U.S. Customs and Border Protection and various car rental firms and air carriers.
That's one big-arse hiccup there Jeff.

Suggest they pack all the office junk, food prep stuff and candy/gum from newsstand into one aircraft and fly over from Panama City Airport; and then have all the people pack up their personal desk items and plants in a cardboard box and just drive over in rental cars..problem solved. My bill for consultation services will be in the mail tomorrow.

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Southwest does not operate on the hub and spoke principal. The closest thing they have to a hub is Dallas only because that's where they are based. All of their service is point to point with no luggage agreements with other air lines.

Of all the theories of new service to the airport, Southwest makes the most sense. They have low overhead and serve an area of the country that does not have direct access to NW Fla without connecting. If they come, look for two or three flights a day to start with, but considering the fact that there are so many empty seats flying into PC, it may be a while before we see any big changes...
I flew into PC for the first time Sunday - stretched out across 2 seats in an exit row. First time I have been able to do that in a long time. Every flight I take in/out of VPS and other airports is completely full - often w/ a standby list.

The new airport seems to be progressing well, but IMO the demand is not yet there by a long shot.
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Old 06-22-2009, 01:10 PM   #111
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I choose not to fly into PC due to the airport location and traffic. Flying into PC you have to drive through the Thomas Drive/PCB area and typically have a longer, more frustrating, post-arrival drive time. It is my understanding that those two issues will likely be reduced when the airport is built and thus I will likely choose not to go to VPS anymore and take on Niceville/Destin (if ticket prices are relatively close). I wonder how many people will switch like me.
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I find it rather telling that I have lived here for years and this was the first time I (or anyone in my family) flew into PC - cost/schedule was never better than VPS or Pensacola and the only reason I did it this time was because I hitched a ride outbound on a friend's plane (and you can't do that from VPS).

IF (and they're big ifs) the new airport has a better prices/schedules I could see flying out of PC, but realistically believe the Scootermobile will be heading west for air travel for many years to come.
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I find it rather telling that I have lived here for years and this was the first time I (or anyone in my family) flew into PC - cost/schedule was never better than VPS or Pensacola and the only reason I did it this time was because I hitched a ride outbound on a friend's plane (and you can't do that from VPS).

IF (and they're big ifs) the new airport has a better prices/schedules I could see flying out of PC, but realistically believe the Scootermobile will be heading west for air travel for many years to come.
I agree, it always comes down to cost, but I do know of one time this year when it was cheaper to go to PC and the schedules were roughly the same. I wonder if things will change on pricing. Maybe SinginChicken will let us know since I have flown numerous legs on his airline this year and it will continue to be my likely choice in the future.
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Not complaining, but I am surprised that the new terminal is not that much larger than the current one.
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When it comes to Panama City’s new airport, Jerry Ray speaks with the passion and conviction of an evangelist. Much like a preacher with a Bible, he’s armed with his own historical perspective.

For instance, the beachside Florida Panhandle hotspot, long popular with spring breakers and summer vacationers, was known as a major port in the early 20th century. Originally called Harrison, it was renamed to connect with the still-new Panama Canal and was convenient to ships from both the Gulf of Mexico and the Pacific Ocean.

“They knew all this in 1914 and we have forgotten,” says Ray, senior vice president of strategic alliances with the Jacksonville-based St. Joe Co. He notes that Panama City’s premier port status lasted from 1915 until the 1929 market crash that led to the Great Depression.

Now the city has an opportunity to restore its trade status by way of a new international airport being developed as part of St. Joe’s 75,000-acre West Bay project, which Ray believes will be a national focal point for development over the next 50 to 100 years. The $500-million project is scheduled to finish its first phase in May 2010, with the airport component being built on a 4,000-acre site donated by St. Joe to the Panama City-Bay County Airport Authority.

Already having faced criticism for developing an airport that will be one of Florida’s largest in a metropolitan area with only 164,000 residents, Ray counters that it will reach beyond Bay County to an area known as the “deep Southeast,” encompassing parts of neighboring Alabama and Georgia in addition to the Panhandle within two-and-a-half hours driving time. The first 8,400 feet of the airport’s 10,000-foot runway is already finished and is currently being used by helicopters, though it is ready to accept planes, he says.

“This is planning for the future, rather than remediating the past,” Ray tells Real Estate Florida. He adds that the new airport will be tied to the city’s old seaport in a multimodal grid, sending cargo containers by truck and rail throughout the US.

The airport’s proximity to Tyndall and Eglin Air Force Bases also bolsters the argument that Panama City is the correct location, Ray says. “There’s really only one place it can go,” he says, “and that’s right where it is.”

Ray also promotes the new Panama City International Airport as the nation’s “greenest,” not only in terms of seeking LEED construction certification from the US Green Building Council but creating a conservation buffer around approaches that will make plane noise a non-issue for nearby businesses and residents. The 41,000-acre preservation area will ultimately protect 44 miles of undeveloped shoreline and another 33 miles of creeks and tributaries.

“We have to make economic growth and environmental protection work in concert,” Ray says. He adds that St. Joe consulted with various environmental groups over the past 11 years leading to the airport’s current development.

St. Joe is working with the Haskell Co. and TranSystems Corp. on master planning its land adjacent to the airport, with the first 1,000 acres including a mix of industrial, office and retail. The group’s initial marketing focus will be aerospace, logistics and defense-oriented technology companies.

“We are accelerating our preconstruction activity and stepping up marketing out reach to global users who need ready access to the new airport,” says Britt Green, St. Joe president and CEO. “It’s truly a unique opportunity to be part of one of Florida’s largest mixed-use planning developments.”

Ray says the initial phase of commercial development near the airport will entail 37 million square feet of industrial buildings with either direct or fence access to its tarmac. The mixed-use components of West Bay will be developed in 1,000-acre increments, with the market deciding what is built next, he says.

“Commercial real estate value occurs where there is connectedness,” he says. “If you are feeling constrained at an urban-encroached airport, this is the alternative.”

Steve Halverson, Haskell Co. president and CEO, says West Bay presents exciting prospects for commercial development. “There are very few greenfield opportunities with a strategic location and high-quality access to an airport, a deepwater port, road and rail connections,” he says.

Local real estate agents are positive about the prospects of additional commercial development to be derived from the new airport. “Expected increases in commercial and residential developments are expected to reshape the Panama City area’s economy by increasing the tourism trade, attracting more corporate headquarters and large distribution centers and providing new residential communities,” says Jennifer MacKay of Keller Williams Success Realty.

Ray points out that the biggest challenge for West Bay and the airport will be maintaining flexibility of development in decades to come. “This is a place that is going to have options for the future,” he says, “and that brings about value.”
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June 2009 pictures of the air traffic control tower and terminal building now under construction demonstrate further progress at the new airport site.
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Large issues unresolved over airport move | airport, issues, unresolved - Local News - WaltonSun.com

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With only 10 months before the planned opening of a new airport near West Bay, a Tuesday meeting of the Airport Authority pointed to a surprising number of unresolved issues still plaguing the airport relocation project.

From the necessity of a crosswind runway to final FAA approval of a main runway extension to reaching a lease agreement with general aviation pilots, the final shape of the new airport still is unclear.

"It's a pretty complex process," airport Executive Director Randy Curtis said. "Though, I don't think there have been any big surprises."

Project relocation manager Jeff Dealy of KBR told authority members that airport construction was on schedule and 61 percent complete. But the airport still had not reached a lease deal with Bay Aircraft Owners Inc., a consortium of private pilots based at the current airport in Panama City, airport attorney Michael Duncan said.

He said negotiations with the pilots' association were still unresolved over how its lease would transfer to the new Panama City-Bay County International Airport, set to open in May 2010.

The group of about 26 Bay Aircraft pilots long has been wrangling with the Airport Authority over the terms of their 30-year lease agreement, which has about 14 years left to run.

Duncan requested the Airport Authority have a special meeting within two weeks to discuss the matter, along with lease problems with Precision Air Services, a company that offers inspections and repairs for most general aviation aircraft. He said mediation with Precision had reached "an impasse."

It also remains unclear whether authority members will build the 5,000-foot crosswind runway, a proposed asphalt strip separate from the main concrete runway that could increase flight safety, a factor crucial to drawing larger carriers.

James Finch of Phoenix Construction Co., which has built the main 8,400-foot runway, told authority members Tuesday he wanted to withdraw from his option to build the crosswind runway, allowing the board to re-bid the project.

The option by Phoenix to build the second runway at the same rate structure as the first has expired. Board members say given the uncertain economy, it remains unclear whether rebidding the project will cost the airport more or less money.

Curtis said Tuesday the reality of a $17 million secondary runway will depend on how other financial considerations "play out" as the airport moves forward.

The airport is also waiting final Federal Aviation Administration approval on extending the 8,400-foot main runway to 10,000 feet, which has long been a goal for the new airport.

Airport Executive Director Randy Curtis said approval is being held until the airport and the Florida Department of Environmental Protection could agree on a final consent order spelling out corrective measures for storm-water discharge violations.

The DEP launched an investigation of the airport's construction after heavy rains in April, claiming noncompliance with construction permits.

On Tuesday, Roy Willett of KBR told board members that DEP was being given weekly progress reports and that825acresofthe1,400-acre construction site was in a state of "final stabilization." Authority Chairman Joe Tannehill requested that all board members receive daily e-mails on the progress.
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The Florida Department of Environmental Protection has set a July 15 deadline for the Airport Authority to agree to corrective measures for stormwater discharge at the new airport construction site, officials said.

Dick Fancher, director of the DEP's Northwest District, said the airport already has taken some curative action since heavy April rains stressed an inadequate drainage system that failed to stem an unhealthy discharge of sediment into nearby creeks.

The consent order will formalize the continued cleanup from the environmental damage caused by the deluge and spell out future action required to prevent another occurrence, he said. The order includes a $299,000 fine.

Some environmental damage has taken place in streams and creeks leading to the waters of West Bay, and the damage must be monitored and corrected, Fancher said. Click here to see photos of the airport's construction.
The illegal discharge has led to a flurry of recriminations from environmental groups, many of which originally opposed the $318 million airport's construction on 1,300 acres near West Bay. The airport is set to open in May 2010.

The latest pressure has come in the form of a letter to DEP from the St. Andrew Bay Resource Management Association (RMA), asking the state agency to "suspend its reliance on self-reporting by the contractor, a process which has eroded public's confidence in your agency's oversight role."

Fancher said the DEP has been reviewing weekly reports on the airport's self-monitoring, insisting that, "We are at the site on a weekly basis."

In the letter to the DEP, RMA president Kennard Watson said that his group was "particularly concerned about potential impacts of the degraded water quality to fragile seagrass beds in West Bay."

Randy Curtis, executive director of the Panama City-Bay County International Airport, said the airport has been working continuously with DEP experts to solve the ongoing discharge problems. The formal consent order, including the amount of the fine, has been under negotiations with the DEP, he said.

"We have received the revised consent order," he said, noting the biggest sticking point has been the amount of the fine.

Curtis said the Airport Authority likely will call a special meeting prior to the July 15 deadline to decide whether to agree to the order's stipulations. If an agreement is not reached, the matter would go through an "administrative hearing" process, he said.

The consent order outlining the airport's environmental problems is the result of a DEP investigation triggered by heavy rains in late March and early April, a period during which the National Weather Service recorded about 14 inches of rain in Panama City.

The DEP issued a proposed consent order May 19 that called for nearly $400,000 in penalties. The airport responded by blaming much of the problems on heavy rains and questioning the fine.

Fancher said the $299,000 in penalties outlined in the current consent order will be assessed on the Airport Authority. Additional fines could be forthcoming on individual contractors such as Phoenix Construction Co., which was responsible for the new airport's site preparation, he said.
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Construction Update: 7/2/2009

by NewPFN on July 9, 2009
Contract 1: Heavy Civil and Airfield Lighting
In general, base bid earthwork and Main Access Road are significantly completed. All of the P-403 asphalt base and 99% of the 15″ concrete paving lanes have been placed on 8,500 linear feet of Runway 16-34. On the taxiways and main apron, all lime rock base and the first 2″ lift of P-401 base have been placed.
Approximately 89% of contract is complete with 71% of the contract time used. All interim milestones being met or exceeded.
Production volumes in place are as follows:
  • All 1330 acres cleared and grubbed.
  • 75,354 tons of asphalt pavement is in place (68% of both airside and landside). Second lift of asphalt is on Taxiway D and Main Apron.
  • 165,860 square yards of landside lime rock base and 130,885 square yards of flightline lime rock base have been installed.
  • 62,272 cubic yards of the 67,233 cubic yards of 15″ concrete runway pavement and 14″ main terminal apron is in place (93% of ultimate volume). Grinding, jointing, and grooving of the runway has been completed. Final presentation of the profilographs is now underway.
  • 99% of the RCP storm sewer installations are complete (43,228 linear feet). 70,262 linear feet of perforated under-drain has been installed along the taxiways and runways (45% of total).
  • Installation of Pond C filter sands continues. Bottom sands are in place, top sands are now 75%. Testing of sands continues at every 2,000 square yards.
  • 49,654 linear feet of electrical lighting duct bank and lighting conduit has been installed (43% of design quantity) and 99,879 linear feet of counterpoise systems (31% of design). 56 base can plazas, 128 taxiway edge lights, and 348 runway light cans are now complete (35% of design).
There is an average of 97 workers and 150 pieces of equipment on site daily.

Contract 2: Terminal Building, ATCT and Support Buildings
Review of architecturally related features continues. Site inspections by Bay County and internal threshold inspections actively continue and are being tracked in log format.
Approximately 35% of the contract is complete with 43% of the contract time used.
Terminal
  • 100% of the foundations and 98% of the structural concrete elements are now complete.
  • Structural steel element installation is 80% complete.
  • Under slab utility rough ins are 92% complete.
  • Fire protection piping is at 48%.
  • HVAC is at 20%.
  • Roofing insulation and membrane underway 20% complete.
  • Testing for the building is being recorded in a matrix format included within Monthly Material Testing Summary.
Air Traffic Control Tower
  • The tower is now poured to level 9 (135′ above the pile cap).
  • During July, the tower floor structures will be completed and ready for cab to be set.
Terminal Support Facilities
  • Concrete slabs and under slab utilities have been completed.
  • Masonry wall construction is complete in all buildings but the Public Safety Building where it is 35% complete.
  • 92% of the storm sewer systems are in place.
  • 45% of the site utilities have been completed.
Rental Car Facility
  • Utilities continue and storm water pipe is now complete.
  • Pre-engineered metal building is now on site.
  • Curb and gutter underway.
  • Building slab and under slab utilities in progress.
An average of 115 personnel are on site daily.
Contract 3: Utility Contract
The contract has been executed and all necessary submittals, insurance and bonds have been received from the Contractor.
On January 13, 2009 a limited Notice To Proceed was issued for the onsite utilities only. The final notice to proceed for remaining offsite work was issued on January 20, 2009.
Approximately 40% of contract work is complete with 46% of the contract time used. All interim milestones are being met or exceeded.
Production volumes in place to date are as follows:
Main Access Road
  • 22,972 lf of 3W2″ power distribution duct bank installed.
  • 30,971 lf of street light duct work installed on west side of main road.
  • 6,849 linear feet of 6Wx4″ concrete encased communication duct bank.
Joyner Road
  • 7,878′ linear feet 24″ water main along Joyner Road.
GA Access Road
  • 19,209 lf of 12″ water main installed from CR-388 north Loop Road and GA Roadway.
  • 7,914 lf. of 30″ water main along GA Road.
Lift Station
  • The lift station is 45% complete.
Force Main on CR 388
The work is complete.
Fuel Farm
  • The fuel farm is 15% complete.
Booster Station
  • The booster station is 20% complete.
  • 16,387 lf. of 8″ sanitary force main completed onsite and along CR-388.
  • 46 fire hydrants installed.
An average of 32 workers and 22 pieces of equipment are on site daily.
Contract 4: Landscape/Hardscape Contract
The contract was executed on June 2, 2009 in the amount of $2,957,056.52. A partial Notice to Proceed was released on June 8, 2009 for the seeding and erosion control measurements only along the Main Access Road and LEED area with a not to exceed amount of $600,000.00.
Production volumes in place to date are as follows:
  • 27 soil samples have been taken and tested for PH and metal content.
  • Erosion control measures have been installed along the Main Access Road.
  • Submittals for wildflower seed mixtures are being reviewed for acceptance.
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New Airport Puts Panama City on Track for Long-Term Growth
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Most of the country is waiting for the economy to turn, or even for the federal stimulus to have some measurable effect on local economies, but at least one part of the country has a third option. In the Florida panhandle, in particular the Panama City area, a new international airport--under construction, scheduled for completion next year--promises economic stimulation, both in terms of business growth and real estate development.

"A new business community will be able to grow around the new airport in a way that's impossible around the existing airport, which is too small and too hemmed in for further expansion," Randall S. Curtis, executive director of the Panama City-Bay County International Airport, told CPN. "But the long-term impact will involve more than development in the immediate vicinity of the airport. The entire region stands to benefit."

Indeed, the existing smallish airport--two runways, 6,308 feet and 4,884 feet long, on 745 acres--may have been hindering the area's growth while the rest of Florida has expanded mightily. Bay County is still fairly small, experiencing only modest growth in recent years, with its population expanding from about 127,000 in 1990 to 155,000 now, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. Located on a complex of bays (St. Andrews, West, North and East bays) on the Gulf Coast, the area has access to miles of desirable beaches and other natural amenities, but mainly draws vacationers and second-home buyers mainly from the nearby states of Mississippi, Alabama and Georgia.

New airports in other parts of the country, in fact other parts of Florida, also have a history of spurring growth over the long run. The Southwest Florida International Airport opened in Ft. Myers in 1983, and during the 1990s the population of Lee County (county seat, Ft. Myers) grew 31.6 percent, considerably faster than the rest of the state, and the area has continued to grow in the 2000s.

Curtis posited that after larger jets are able to fly into the area, more visitors will start coming from the cities of the Midwest and the Northeast. Ultimately, that may mean not only more vacationers, but more businesspeople with site selection on their minds, and more real estate investors.

The existing main landowner in that part of Florida, St. Joe Co., already stands to benefit enormously from the new airport. Formerly a paper company with vast acreage devoted to growing trees, St. Joe is now a company with vast acreage (about 800,000 acres) to develop. The company was instrumental in realizing the airport project, especially through its donation of the land necessary to build it.

The basic specifications of the $330 million new Panama City-Bay County International Airport include a primary runway of 10,000 feet (expandable to 12,000), a crosswind runway of 5,000 feet and a 120,000-square foot terminal building, occupying 1,300 acres on a 4,000-acre site. That will be the configuration of the airport when it opens next year, anyway. As air traffic increases, there's additional room for another runway the size of the primary one, plus an expanded terminal facility.

Currently, the Airport Authority is negotiating with low-cost air carriers about flying into the new airport, which Curtis calls a key component in spurring future development in the region. Bagging such an airline to fly in and out of the new airport is so important that a small increase in Bay County's bed tax was approved to pay for the effort.

Besides aviation-related facilities, the airport will have about 1,200 acres available for on-site industrial or other commercial development, including sites with direct runway access. "We've gotten the attention of the aerospace industry, for one," said Curtis. "Among other aerospace interests, this part of Florida, centered on Tyndall Air Force Base, is a major center for unmanned vehicle R&D."

The airport itself is only a small part of an entity called the West Bay Sector Plan, a master plan for 75,000 acres along the West Bay just northwest of Panama City that has been in the works for about a decade. Land use for West Bay Sector Plan calls for the ultimate development of about 37 million square feet of commercial property and 27,000 residential units, to be undertaken by a variety of developers. Jones Lang LaSalle has been hired as to oversee development with the West Bay Sector Plan, and is currently in negotiation with a master developer for the properties within the new airport.

Environmentalist opposition to the new airport was relatively mute because of the enormous conservation easements both within the new airport property and as part of the overall West Bay Sector Plan. All together, 41,000 acres of the total of 75,000 acres, including 33 miles of West Bay shoreline and 44 miles of creek and tributaries, will be never be developed.

"The West Bay Plan is a long-term plan that will encourage development in the long run," Janet Watermeier, executive director of the Bay County Economic Development Alliance, told CPN. The economy may be unfavorable to real estate development in the near term, but "when the economy turns, a template for development in Bay County in the area will already be in place."
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Jerry Ray is looking to the future. His firm, the Jacksonville, Florida-based St. Joe Companies, is working with the Bay County Board of Commissioners, officials at the Panama City-Bay County Airport and members of the National Audubon Society on the LEED-certified Panama City-Bay County Airport. The facility is the first piece in the West Bay Sector Plan, a massive mixed-use project destined for Panama City, Florida, and surrounding areas. The aggressive but environmentally responsible development strategy calls for an eventual 27,000 residences and 37 million square feet of commercial and industrial space spread across 75,000 acres.

Though part of the plan may be complete in a few years, the entire project will not materialize for at least half a century. “I will not see it; I am too old,” says Ray, senior vice president of strategic alliances for St. Joe.

The airport is a relocation and expansion of Panama City’s current facility and includes a 105,000-square-foot passenger terminal, two runways and 1,400 acres reserved for future expansion. Completion is expected next May. The airport only represents a small part of St. Joe’s $500 million stake in the West Bay Sector Plan, a commitment that will include 4.4 million square feet of commercial space and 6,300 residences.

St. Joe also brought in leaders from the Audubon Society to conduct land-protection studies around the airport. Their goal was to ultimately protect 44 miles of undeveloped shoreline and creeks and tributaries near the development site. The society also helped make the airport as environmentally friendly as possible; green features include a water reclamation system among and more standard LEED requirements.

“One of our commitments was to put in place a saltwater system that would return water to the environment cleaner than it was in the natural environment. We said we would return it twice as clean, according to scientific measurements,” Rays says. “We want to demonstrate that it is possible to have economic development and environmental preservation simultaneously.”

In large projects like these, extensive planning is important. With the help of Jacksonville-based The Haskell Company and TranSystems Corporation of Kansas City, Missouri, St. Joe is positioning parcels for office, retail and industrial construction. “You look at all the infrastructure — where do the roads go, where do the utilities go, all those types of things,” says Haskell’s Brad Slappey. “You don’t want to commit to something that’s not flexible enough to reverse. You want to be very careful about where your infrastructure goes, so it can accommodate multiple uses down the road.” It’s too early, however, to talk development specifics or even mention future tenants. “There’s certainly interest in the area,” Slappey says. “Any time you have an airport, there’s interest.”

One large advantage of the plan is that it’s easy to build to each tenant’s specifications. With so much greenfield land available for developing, officials at large companies can easily come in, commit to a space and mold it to their requirements. “Most of the time, your options are limited because you have a small piece of land and everything around it is already developed,” Slappey says. “The advantage is that if you have a big user that comes in and wants this, that and the other, it’s easier to accommodate them because you have a lot more land to maneuver around.”

The West Bay Sector plan is a fulfillment of years of history. Development has come slowly to Northwest Florida for a variety of reasons. Commercial space tends to flock to major interstates, and there are few that cut through this portion of the state. In addition, geographical concerns and the rising environmental consciousness of area citizens had limited the county’s commercial real estate growth prospects.

“The land is largely owned by two entities; one is the United States government and other government entities, the other is The St. Joe Company, which began to buy land in this area in 1923,” Ray says. “Between the two, a lot of the land was left in a rural state. This is an area of Florida that’s not been as well connected to the rest of the country.”

Developers and citizens in Panama City realized as early as the 1940s that something needed to be done to compete on a national scale and started calling for an update of the city’s existing municipal airport. “There was a front-page editorial in the Panama City News Herald, and it said if we do not connect ourselves to the rest of the country, we will languish in our economic development,” Ray says. This led to an ultimately unsuccessful effort to rebuild the airport, a dream that resurfaced in the 1960s and again in the ’80s and ’90s. “We had no idea how long it would take. No one had never done this before,” Ray says. “It is a 100-year project. It will correct something that has been a mess now for 50 years.”

An undertaking this large will undoubtedly change many times during the course of development. Starting small and branching out is a smart way to ease into the project. Once the airport is complete, it will attract airport services, which will, in turn, encourage hotel and retail growth. Warehouses, Slappey says, pop up around airports for logistics purposes. “After that, who knows. You start with the obvious, and go from there,” he says. “It’s always hard to get your hands on what it will look like in the end. The reality is that it’s going to change as the years progress.”

Ray is happy developers in Central Florida are finally planning for the next generation of tenants. Long-term projects like the West Bay Sector Plan are where commercial real estate officials should be heading, Ray says.

“We’d make a lot more in this country by planning for the future, and we never do it. We have roads that are clogged up and then we go fix them, right? So, why not try it the right way for once?”

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Kurt, thank you for the continuous updates on the progress of the new Panama City Airport. They are really appreciated by those of us who believe that long range planning regarding growth is the only way to go.
Do you have anything on the status of the suit brought about storm water drainoff and how it will affect the ongoing status of the project?
It seems to me from all I read about the long range plan, environmetal issues are at the forefront of considerations. But then, I am not an environmental extremist. Once again, thank you for the great updates.
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Kurt, thank you for the continuous updates on the progress of the new Panama City Airport. They are really appreciated by those of us who believe that long range planning regarding growth is the only way to go.
Do you have anything on the status of the suit brought about storm water drainoff and how it will affect the ongoing status of the project?
It seems to me from all I read about the long range plan, environmetal issues are at the forefront of considerations. But then, I am not an environmental extremist. Once again, thank you for the great updates.
IIRC on the news last night they announced that the lawsuit was dismissed, settled, or stopped.
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Construction Update: 7/23/2009
Posted: 24 Jul 2009 07:03 AM PDT
Contract 1: Heavy Civil and Airfield Lighting
Approximately 90% of contract is complete with 76% of the contract time used.
  • Completing the underdrain system in the longitudinal ditches (7,000 linear feet remain and work should be complete by the end of August)
  • Installation of top sands into Pond C is ongoing
  • Concrete on main apron should be complete in two weeks
  • Taxi-way edge lights installation is continuing
Contract 2: Terminal Building, ATCT and Support Buildings
Approximately 40% of the contract is complete with 48% of the contract time used.
Terminal:
  • Continuing exterior sheathing at north end of Area A
  • 90% complete with roof sheathing and underlayment at Concourse D & E
  • 90% complete with structural steel at Baggage Handling
  • Preparing for concrete slab pour for south end of Baggage Handling
Air Traffic Control Tower:
  • Beginning mechanical/electrical and plumbing work
  • Complete with stairs up through Level 4
Air Maintenance Facility, Air Maintenance Shed:
  • Continuing interior framing
Air Cargo Facility:
  • Continuing with the installation of exterior wall panels
Rental Car Facility:
  • Continuing with plumbing and electrical rough-in
  • Settling tanks for Car Wash in place
Public Safety Building:
  • Completing metal decking and installing stairs
  • Continuing installation of CMU at vehicle bay
An average of 155 personnel are on site Monday through Friday. Eighteen workers on site on Saturday.
Contract 3: Utility Contract
Approximately 48% of contract work is complete with 52% of the contract time used. All interim milestones are being met or exceeded.
Main Access Road:
  • 3W2″ Power Distribution Duct Bank is 95% complete
  • Street Light Duct Work is 87% complete
  • 6W4″ Power Distribution Duct Bank is 98% complete
  • Jack and boring on Main Access Road for fire hydrant installation
Joyner Road:
  • 24″ Water Main is 98% complete
GA Access Road:
  • 12″ water main is 95% complete
  • 30″ water main is 86% complete
Lift Station:
  • Lift station is 50% complete
  • Plumbing being installed
Fuel Farm:
  • Fuel farm is 15% complete
  • Grounding system was tested and passed this week
Booster Station:
  • Booster station is 35% complete
  • Starting to wrap wire next week
Contract 4: Landscape/Hardscape Contract
  • Installation of seed has begun on Main Access Road
  • Collecting and transplanting approximately 1,700 Juncus plants to wetlands area in Kelly Branch
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Kurt, thank you for the continuous updates on the progress of the new Panama City Airport. They are really appreciated by those of us who believe that long range planning regarding growth is the only way to go.
Do you have anything on the status of the suit brought about storm water drainoff and how it will affect the ongoing status of the project?
It seems to me from all I read about the long range plan, environmetal issues are at the forefront of considerations. But then, I am not an environmental extremist. Once again, thank you for the great updates.

Airport Authority Reaches Agreement With Florida DEP

by NewPFN on July 23, 2009
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AIRPORT AUTHORITY REACHES AGREEMENT WITH FLORIDA DEP;
CONTINUES MAKING ENVIRONMENTAL IMPROVEMENTS

Panama City, Florida - (July 23, 2009) - The Panama City - Bay County International Airport and Industrial District (Airport Authority) has reached an agreement with the Florida Department of Environmental Protection (FDEP) on a series of steps to address temporary stormwater management issues that occurred during construction at the new Panama City - Bay County



International Airport construction site in northwestern Bay County.
The Airport Authority reacted quickly in May 2009 to address the stormwater management issues. Since then, the Airport Authority and FDEP have been working together on a final agreement based on the plan submitted by the Airport Authority to address environmental concerns. Under terms of the agreement, the Airport Authority has agreed to pay a $251,000 fine to FDEP.
The Airport Authority is working with FDEP to reinvest the fine in further environmental improvements at the new airport.


“Regardless of heavy rains, the situation with our stormwater management system was unacceptable, and we moved as quickly as possible to address all the shortcomings,” said Joe Tannehill, Chairman of the Airport Authority. “Throughout this process we have continued to work closely with the Florida DEP, and we believe we have reached an outcome that is not only fair, but will also benefit the environment and the people of Bay County.”


“The Airport Authority has set a very high environmental standard for the new airport,” Tannehill continued. “We remain committed to designing, building and operating America’s first green airport based on our detailed plans for wetlands mitigation, wildlife management, wastewater treatment and, yes, stormwater management that greatly exceed minimum requirements set by Florida law.”
To date, the Airport Authority has undertaken extensive efforts to meet and exceed the agreed upon plan issued by the FDEP and to prepare the site to be able to manage a tropical storm event during hurricane season.



The airport has committed $400,000 to expedite necessary projects and improvements.


The Airport Authority has taken the following actions to ensure the airport site is prepared for any future tropical rain event:


–Major stabilization of grading and seeding around the airport site to reduce soil erosion. Stabilization of the site including seeding, seed drilling, mulching and paving. To date:
  • 825 acres are under final stabilization
  • 210 acres are under temporary stabilization
  • 375 acres are undergoing stabilization
  • 125 acres still to be stabilized
–All perimeter ditches have been fully sodded and there has been re-grading and re-sodding of ditches along the General Aviation Access Road.


–Erosion control measures are in place, including:
  • Silt fencing in place and checked daily
  • Hay bales in ditches
  • Increased berms around the site.
–The construction team is working to make stormwater treatment ponds fully functional and in accordance with their final design.
–The construction team has updated plan to handle large rain events in the future.


–Site management system has been streamlined - each contractor has appointed a single point of contact with decision-making authority.


-The team has implemented a proactive environmental compliance management program that includes designated personnel, clear chain of command and timely reporting to the Airport Authority.


–The team has established a method of improved communication between the Airport construction team and the DEP including weekly and monthly reporting.


–The construction team has created and implemented a detailed schedule for removal of displaced sands in adjacent off-site areas and any associated environmental restoration.


–The Airport Authority established milestones for construction activities related to bringing the permanent stormwater features to their final conditions.


“I am pleased with the way construction team has responded and addressed the stormwater management issues,” said Tannehill. “We’ve seen a dramatic improvement over the last 75 days. I also want to thank FDEP for all their work. This has been a team effort, and the project, the environment and the people of Bay County are the ultimate beneficiaries.”
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On the issue of passenger demand for flighst to the new airport, I think you miss the point. Most of the time, I end up flying into Pensacola and then drive to Sowal because the flights into Pcola are much cheaper (thank you AirTran). But I will fly into the new airport in a heartbeat if I can geat flights at a reasonable cost.

I live in the DC area. What I am really hoping for are direct Southwest flights out of nearby BWI (Southwest's east coast sub-hub). That could make my trip to the beach house a quick 3- 4 hours. That's how long it takes to drive to the nearby brownwater beaches.

Trust me when I say -- if you get Southwest flying into that airport -- the seats will be filled.
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On the issue of passenger demand for flighst to the new airport, I think you miss the point. Most of the time, I end up flying into Pensacola and then drive to Sowal because the flights into Pcola are much cheaper (thank you AirTran). But I will fly into the new airport in a heartbeat if I can geat flights at a reasonable cost.

I live in the DC area. What I am really hoping for are direct Southwest flights out of nearby BWI (Southwest's east coast sub-hub). That could make my trip to the beach house a quick 3- 4 hours. That's how long it takes to drive to the nearby brownwater beaches.

Trust me when I say -- if you get Southwest flying into that airport -- the seats will be filled.
That's the idea, but it may take time. Some people seem to be under the impression that this whole project is being done as some sort of light switch. People like to down the new airport because they haven't really read what the airport authority is saying. The airport authority is saying the over the next 50 years it will eventually be a major airport with international flights. Most of the Debbie downers hear that next year we'll have 747's of international visitors and then they gleefully laugh the it won't happen. Well it won't as it's a new airport, and probably won't have a low cost carrier the day it opens either.
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That's the idea, but it may take time. Some people seem to be under the impression that this whole project is being done as some sort of light switch.


Where the 'ell would someone get that impression??

Oh, yeah: Flights at new airport to begin May 2010, official says - LATEST NEWS BRIEFS - The News Herald

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Mel Ponder was named executive director of Coastal Vision 3000 in front of a crowd of nearly 100 business and community leaders at the site of the new Panama City-Bay County International Airport. Ponder unveiled plans for a membership campaign for the nonprofit marketing organization that has branded a six-county area of Northwest Florida as "The Beach."

Attending Thursday's presentation were state Sen. Don Gaetz, R-Niceville, airport executive director Randy Curtis, St. Joe Co. spokesman Jerry Ray and Davage "Buddy" Runnels, chairman of Destin-based The Sterling Companies.

Runnels, co-founder of Coastal Vision 3000, said national and international flights would begin landing at the new airport in May 2010. "It brings hope and faith that our future is bright," he said.

Gaetz praised the group for its forward thinking.

"I believe a rising tide floats all boats, and Coastal Vision 3000 represents a regional consensus to grow our economy through smart economic decisions," Gaetz said.
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On the issue of passenger demand for flighst to the new airport, I think you miss the point. Most of the time, I end up flying into Pensacola and then drive to Sowal because the flights into Pcola are much cheaper (thank you AirTran). But I will fly into the new airport in a heartbeat if I can geat flights at a reasonable cost.

I live in the DC area. What I am really hoping for are direct Southwest flights out of nearby BWI (Southwest's east coast sub-hub). That could make my trip to the beach house a quick 3- 4 hours. That's how long it takes to drive to the nearby brownwater beaches.

Trust me when I say -- if you get Southwest flying into that airport -- the seats will be filled.

Southwest is a big player in here in Omaha. If they go to the new airport, which I believe they will, That will get us down there more often. Our only flights are through NWA, and that is a pain in the butt!

Southwest covers the lower part of Florida pretty well, so this would seem like the next migration. Either way, I hope that it lowers the price from NE some.
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OK...one more time...

All "international" means, in the grand scheme of things, is that customs services are located at the airport. That means that when Joe Schmo, who has loads of money and an airplane, flies in from, let's say, the Caribbean or from somewhere north of the border in Canada, he doesn't have to call for customs to drive to the airport from the Port of Panama City. That is an international flight by definition. SWGB is 100% correct. It is not a light switch for commercial scheduled flights. If the new airport does get a scheduled commercial flight in the future, it will likely be seasonal service from Canada.
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It would be fabulous if Southwest flew to PC from Dallas. Even if we have to make a stop in Houston or N.O. We always fly into Pensacola, but it takes so long to make it to SoWal. PC has got to be faster.
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It would be fabulous if Southwest flew to PC from Dallas. Even if we have to make a stop in Houston or N.O. We always fly into Pensacola, but it takes so long to make it to SoWal. PC has got to be faster.
Why not fly into Val-P?

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Perhaps because Southwest doesn't currently fly into Val-P?
OP Stated: "We always fly into Pensacola, but it takes so long to make it to SoWal."

Southwest doesn't currently fly to Pensacola either. Hence my suggestion of Val-P for next visit vs. PNS.
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At the July 28 Airport Authority Board meeting, the Board received an update on the relocation project and awarded bids for the NAVAID package and exterior signage.
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VP is a great little airport - but in my experience, the flights there are much more expensive. The issue is cost. I currently choose Pensacola (even though it adds a 2 hour drive to my place) because it's cheaper.

Look at the record -- passengers always win when Southwest enters a market. Other airlines across the area will be forced to lower prices to compete. And every single time there has been a new airport built in the state of Florida, significant economic growth has followed. Southwest in a new airport will be an economic shot in the arm to an area that could use it -- and it will come just about the time the PC area will be coming out of its real estate slump.

I look at this from the perspective of a part-time 30A resident who lives full-time in the DC area. I desperately want a BWI to Bay County direct flight. The other side of the coin ... I am certain there are many people (especially military families) who would use flights in the other direction. I mean, who wouldn't want a cheap flight from PC to your nation's capital?

Come on Southwest --- we need you!
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VPS has always been more expensive than PFN. They need more airlines to compete in order to drop prices.

On the other hand, the flights into VPS are always packed to the gills at those high prices so there's no incentive to lower them. People are still choosing to fly there at a premium rather than PFN.

Pensacola is its own animal. It's a little too far removed from the area to be a player in the grand scheme of things. They probably share passenger load for the areas from VPS to points west, but I doubt they get many PFN passengers. Dothan is closer to PFN than Pensacola is...
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Pensacola and Mobile each try to poach the other city's air travelers. I've seen billboards for That Other Airport in each of the cities.
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VP is a great little airport - but in my experience, the flights there are much more expensive. The issue is cost. I currently choose Pensacola (even though it adds a 2 hour drive to my place) because it's cheaper.

Look at the record -- passengers always win when Southwest enters a market. Other airlines across the area will be forced to lower prices to compete. And every single time there has been a new airport built in the state of Florida, significant economic growth has followed. Southwest in a new airport will be an economic shot in the arm to an area that could use it -- and it will come just about the time the PC area will be coming out of its real estate slump.

I look at this from the perspective of a part-time 30A resident who lives full-time in the DC area. I desperately want a BWI to Bay County direct flight. The other side of the coin ... I am certain there are many people (especially military families) who would use flights in the other direction. I mean, who wouldn't want a cheap flight from PC to your nation's capital?

Come on Southwest --- we need you!
Somehow I just can't see Southwest going into the new PC airport anytime soon--I can be wrong (it's been known to happen once...maybe twice).

Southwest had its quarterly earnings call last week. Since Nov, they've reduced their flights by 300 (9%) and had to deeply discount fares to fill up planes. Even though their planes were filled above average capacity--their revenues were down below post 9-11 levels. Their business travel and freight revenues were in the toilet and they're very concerned about raising fuel costs going forward. They clearly played a great hand when they hedged the price of fuel last summer, but they currently haven't got a clue of how to play the market going forward.

From what I know about Southwest, and their penchant to minimize costs while maximizing revenue, I don't see them chomping at the bit to bring their airline into the middle of a pine forest where their pax (for the next several years) will be primarily seasonal tourists. And though "pax always win" when Southwest enters a market, Southwest doesn't make business decisions based on that premise.

I think that Val-P or Pensacola would be a better fit for their airline; each is flanked by midsized cities with business, military and tourist traffic (although I don't see them jumping on those in the near future either). I would think Pensacola would be choice #1, but AirTran already has that market.

I think the Coastal 3000 and their ilk are running on the "build it and they will come" mindset that is a product of the bubble era. The recession has changed everything and they just don't see it (or want to see it)...they're too busy looking in the rear view mirror...or just "in" the rear.
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I would much rather have Air Tran, they're known to have seasonal service. Myrtle Beach used to only have Air Tran during season. That would be fine with me as I really don't want to get the heck out of dodge until season hits. Since the military regularly charters planes with Air Tran it would seem like an easy move.
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Southwest Airlines rumor affirmed

Sunday my daughter was on a Southwest flight from Corpus Christ to Dallas. Southwest Founder Herb Kelleher was also on the flight. She asked the flight attendant to confirm with him that Southwest Airlines would be coming to the new Panama City Airport. He nodded in the affirmative. Yahoo!!!
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I saw on the Atlanta news the other day that South West was purchasing Frontier Airline, and that would bring SW in to ATL. I hope if your flying into PC in the future on SW you want have to go through the ATL nightmare.
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That would take one exclamation point out of my "Yahoo!"

You're correct about ATL nightmare. I'm hoping that won't be the case with Southwest.
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Announcement near on low-cost carrier for new airport - The News Herald

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Airport officials might be just weeks away from announcing the addition of a new low-cost air carrier to the Panama City-Bay County International Airport under construction near West Bay, officials said Tuesday.

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Rowe said airport officials were probably only 45 days away from making an announcement about a low-cost carrier’s commitment to the new airport, set to open in May 2010.


“We are in the 11th hour,” board member Andy Phillips agreed. “We are very, very close.”
One of the carriers mentioned by TDC members Tuesday was Southwest Airlines, one of the possible carriers airport officials are trying to recruit. The value of such a low-cost carrier would be in chartered international flights, Phillips said.

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You mean the nay sayers and debbie downers could be wrong?
Lord help us, next they might have some sort of feriner plane.
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Word on the street - YES, Southwest is coming to PFN - will provide direct service to Orlando, Baltimore, Nashville and Houston. Typically, airlines do not make formal announcements about new routes/destinations until 4 weeks prior to start up. This is a very competitive business!
I travel almost weekly and utilize VPS since it has better service and cheaper rates - but I'm counting the days until the new PFN is open!!!
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I'll be checking out the new airport in person later today. The Emerald Coast Association of Realtors is having a little tour with about 200 Realtors.
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